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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:31 pm

and even if you told him, your seed has no future, he would still go on as if it does, and performing these elaborate rituals of courting a fem, etc, even understanding his blood dies with him, for regardless of whether these emotion like love and greed would not have evolved without the 4 fs 1st evolving, they still have inherent meaning and value for us
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:36 pm

How naive little sluts can be.

Little woman the only thing intricate about humans is the contexts, the paraphernalia, the fact that humans, unlike snails, can trick themselves can lie to themselves can resist temptation, can go against their very nature...go against nature.
They can be nihilistic.

Sweetie, no matter what you tell yourself when you are shaving your legs and plucking your eyebrows, if it is a culturally associated with women being attractive by eliminating all aspects of their primal state, then you are still looking for dick.

Darling, women put on daring dresses, show cleavage and leg, sometimes all the way up to their pussy, all the while telling themselves that they are just going out with the girls to dance.
Sweetie, words are words, particularly when you lack integrity and are obsessed with self-delusion.

What is complex, little whore, is how humans try to pretend to be other than what they are.

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:40 pm

turkish delight, i dont think you listened to a word i said, you stupid pathetic peiece of shit, you are merely echoing what i said. i am all too familiar with darwinism, and its impliacations for understanding human nature
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:42 pm

you stupid cunt, you pathetic peice of garbage, you will always be my intellectual bitch.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:43 pm

here me fag boy?
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:44 pm

You are "aware" but so delightfully resistant...all coy and wanting to be raped, over and over again.
Here you are challenging me but not...simply wanting to let me know that you know...wanting to rub-up on my stick and have me lift it and pound you with it, over and over again.

You sly she-devil you.... Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:47 pm

hannibal lectre, no no, i think were dealing with diferent sort of animal, here, is that you, gacy, how many times have i penetrated you in your mind, how many times did you stick your tongue out to recieve my white waifer, like a little catholic school boy, a little dandy orthodox schoolyard boy.


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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:49 pm

it's not gay if i'm on top she thinks to herself, but deep down inside, it's always been you on the bottom, hasn't it?
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:51 pm

you were gay then, and you still r.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:56 pm

Razz

Oh dear girl, I smelled your pussy a while ago.


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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:21 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:43 pm

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this is more like- love is in the tongue than in the eyes. the point she is making is not that love is subjective, which is how the sentence is normally taken, but that pleasure and the the pain associated with alcohol can be taken as a figurative metaphor for love, a rather common metaphor, theres nothing especially original or profound about it. the initial sweetness of the drink is early, innocent, naive, ideal love. the bitters and the herbals represent the middle stages of a relationship, the trials and tribulations, when the flaws and imperfections of each other can no longer be concealed, they are revealed, and relationship grows more complex, more dynamic and serious. finally at the end, we're left with an alluring, enticing promise,that despite all the hardships and struggles, with coming of the hot sensation, love will redeem itself in the end, all will be worth it, the essence of love contained in a drink. The poem is meant to be experience on multiple levels, first the sensual, then the emotional
No, that's your interpretation of it.
And your interpretation is telling of your naive perception of love.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:47 pm

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Such a poem is written for and by people who like their philosophy in small doses, and affirming common (mis)conceptions, an idealistic, positive, shallow philosophy, one that can be appreciated by Gaia as well as Uranus.
I'm guessing you belong to this exclusive group of people only for which such intense poetry can be understood.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:51 pm

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Jeez, I'm amongst girls.

The essence of agape, dear girl, is that it's based no rational considerations: common goals, common interests, common motives, common principles.

So that at any time if one is asked why one can give a response grounded on awareness and not puppy eyes and all that bullshit you just vomited.


Oh good, you managed to grab the tip again.
That means I can ignore all the confused fumbling that came before it. excellent.

I disagree with your deffinition. There is nothing rational about agape. It doesn't arise from understanding or sense.
Agape is love for itself. Just as in art beauty exists in itself. It's an "aesthetic" love, if you will. I'm afraid that you are not in the right mind set to be able to make this connection, so I will drop it for now.

If you get down to the engines, you can call it the thing you can feel but not explain, but that is in some way related to the survival of your clan. Some thing that may appear altruistic, but it is not so in a strict sense, as it favors you as a part of a group. I have less interest in this low level view of sensations than you do.

I'd like to ask a favor. Who started to talk about emotions? Can we stop? It is sensations we are concerned with here. Adding emotions makes the conversation ambiguous.



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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:59 pm

you're all fucking stupid, fuck all of you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7BanirZtX8

stupid forum.


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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:35 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:35 pm

Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:36 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:37 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:45 pm

What we need is more emoting...a conjuring up of mystical powers.
Love just happens...out of the nothing something....like beauty it is in the eye....nothing rational about it.

It makes sense only if you stop thinking about it.

Let us indulge in some word-association and simply feel our way to the truth.

Love, eros agape, what's the difference, it's all sooo magically delightful.

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:59 pm

agape love-

noun
selfless love of one person for another without sexual implications


It's called a dictionary.
The definition is simple and can be agreed upon without adding how it's 'sensual' or 'aesthetic' or that it's too complicated to explain or for another to comprehend.

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If you get down to the engines, you can call it the thing you can feel but not explain, but that is in some way related to the survival of your clan.

You can call it that...it actually just means selfless love without sexual implication..
I'm sure it can be both felt and explained just fine and is not always related to the survival of a clan.


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Some thing that may appear altruistic, but it is not so in a strict sense, as it favors you as a part of a group.

The important part is that it is not sexual, sex & procreation being both a selfish and selfless act (caring for a parasite). So it is not entirely either because it cannot be as selfish as non-agape love, and it carries both because self is involved in all things self experiences and so cannot communicate any other kind of love than self.

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I have less interest in this low level view of sensations than you do.

That was low.

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I'd like to ask a favor. Who started to talk about emotions? Can we stop? It is sensations we are concerned with here. Adding emotions makes the conversation ambiguous.

Again, you separate.
What makes emotion & sensation unrelated?



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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:02 pm

Satyr wrote:
What we need is more emoting...a conjuring up of mystical powers.
Love just happens...out of the nothing something....like beauty it is in the eye....nothing rational about it.

It makes sense only if you stop thinking about it.

Let us indulge in some word-association and simply feel our way to the truth.

Love, eros agape, what's the difference, it's all sooo magically delightful.
Better yet let's define them with fruity talk, and argue over who's the authority on the bullshit being spewed.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:23 pm

People like us write all those incredibly static words in dictionaries, bonitinha Smile
And every book of hard law.
And ever absolute word ever written.

Welcome to being on your own.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:26 pm

You are never on your own, sweets...there's always someone who loves you about.
He does so simply because.
Don't ask questions, just abandon yourself to the sensation.

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:26 pm

Wow she's dumb.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:31 pm

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Wow she's dumb.
No shit?
Shocked

More, she's that special kind of dumb....the kind that thinks it is not so.
Her depth is that she refuses to go deeper than she has to.
Too much yapping makes her tummy ache...more so when it's about someone nasty and evil and someone daddy told her to not take candy from. .

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:37 pm

I meant low level as in engineering lingo. As in under the hood.
(fact: I'm an engineer on my non free time Smile )

As to emotions vs sensations, they are diffent entirely. Why don't you look it up in the dictionary Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:41 pm

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Poison IV wrote:
Wow she's dumb.
No shit?
Shocked

More, she's that special kind of dumb....the kind that thinks it is not so.
Her depth is that she refuses to go deeper than she has to.
Too much yapping makes her tummy ache...more so when it's about someone nasty and evil and someone daddy told her to not take candy from. .


You see, IV, satyr and I are different in the sense that I keep my nonsense short, while he likes to drop his by the loads and loads.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:43 pm

phoneutria wrote:
I meant low level as in engineering lingo. As in under the hood.
Once more your spirit cannot be adequately followed.
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(fact: I'm an engineer on my non free time Smile )
Impressive....do you play a musical instrument as well?
The flute....the trombone?

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As to emotions vs sensations, they are diffent entirely. Why don't you look it up in the dictionary Wink
I shall...in fact the dictionary is what I base all my opinions on.

For instance I was of the opinion that acting and existing were one and the same...but a quick look in the dictionary and I was soon made to feel embarrassed for this mistake.

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You see, IV, satyr and I are different in the
sense that I keep my nonsense short, while he likes to drop his by the
loads and loads.
We are, in fact, so alike that talking about it further would be insane.
I move to the conclusion that she beats me because she is aware of her stupidity whereas I have yet to accept it.

The meek shall inherit the earth.

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:48 pm

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As to emotions vs sensations, they are diffent entirely. Why don't you look it up in the dictionary Wink

I'm not equating them as one, only giving a chance of connection that renders your proposal of escaping emotion through sensation ....incorrect.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:32 pm

I play classic guitar, but I suck.
I also play a flute, but I really, really suck.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:42 pm

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phoneutria wrote:

As to emotions vs sensations, they are diffent entirely. Why don't you look it up in the dictionary Wink

I'm not equating them as one, only giving a chance of connection that renders your proposal of escaping emotion through sensation ....incorrect.

I see that the key word of your question is "unrelated".
Pardon my sloppy reading, schnuckiputzi.

I cannot say that they are unrelated.
I do think that in a discusion of senses, emotions add a lot of clutter. So my plead was to delimit the scope of the conversation.

I hope that that is to your satisfaction.
Cheers.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:43 pm

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I play classic guitar, but I suck.
I also play a flute, but I really, really suck.
I thought you had to blow to play the flute...my mistake.

But, I bet you blow real well.

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:16 am

Now you've ruined the subtlety of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:19 am

I'm the myth breaker, my Queen.

I shatter idols and idol-worshipers.
I am vulgar and direct.

Will you play me a tune?
Something where I can watch your finger play.

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:05 am

To be fair, it was already blatant. You made it obnoxious.

There's an old video of me doing some fingerpicking.
It has got a nice body, but such poor finish.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:12 am

You sound like too much trouble to bother with...oooooor I'm an insecure man who can't deal with a "strong", "liberated", free-spirited female.

Either way...who cares?

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:29 pm

Poison IV wrote:
phoneutria wrote:

As to emotions vs sensations, they are diffent entirely. Why don't you look it up in the dictionary Wink

I'm not equating them as one, only giving a chance of connection that renders your proposal of escaping emotion through sensation ....incorrect.

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I see that the key word of your question is "unrelated".
Pardon my sloppy reading, schnuckiputzi.

What key word? What question? Did I forget my proper punctuation? (Never)

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I cannot say that they are unrelated.

No, and so in order for the conversation to drift away from emotion into sensation they must absolutely be unrelated.

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I do think that in a discusion of senses, emotions add a lot of clutter. So my plead was to delimit the scope of the conversation.

Senses are sensations now? Yeesh.

Well, your plead turned out to be more than what you bargained for.

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I hope that that is to your satisfaction.
Cheers.

I may stamp it with an A, maybe an A-.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:58 pm

I begin with the premise that sensations preceded emotions, just as consciousness preceded self-consciousness.

From this sensation of otherness emerges this automatic Response to sensation, or to sensual stimuli.
This is the beginning of emotion.

I've stated that for me fear must be the first emotion; the mother of all emotions.
All other emotions are degrees of it or reactions to it or combinations of both.

In this sense I understand love as being a much later development, one necessitated by the demands and mechanics of heterosexual reproduction and the alter developing, from it, social behavior.
It is how fear and all emotions that had evolved form it that far could be overcome.

This is why love is held in such high regards...it is firstly a survival tool and secondly a way of tolerating (bonding) with others on a more efficient level.

I would say love begins with eros, a primal form of it, related to the coitus and directly linked to lust.
Lust is, itself, a sophistication of the hunger drive.

For this reason I place agape above all other forms of this emotional overcoming of fear.
Agape is love made conscious...reaching the level of rational love or comradeship founded on common interests.
Eros is primitive, and so very feminine,a s the female is the representation of nature, that which is earthly; she is sex personified, as Weininger might have said it.

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