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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:20 pm

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What I meant was, you're a clueless appetizer for other worldly predators and I think it funny that all you do is sit around all day and frequent this forum while they feed on you... ;]
In fact I'm delicious.
I flow with nutrients.
I once used one of them ouij...whatchemecalits...the message was: Think.

I have ever since.

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:27 pm

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Have you been listening to David Icke, Ivy? Are you referring to reptilian humanoids, Ivy? It seems you have failed to realize, Ivy, 'Satyr' is a reptilian humanoid, in fact 'Satyr', or should I say Korgannu, is an betoid reptoid. Why do you think he considers himself a separate species, dear, why do you think he feed off of human negativity and fear? What do you think Nietzsche was referring to when he spoke of ubermensch, he was speaking to those who carry the bloodline, who may not realize. Your secrets out Korgannu, what will you do now, hmmm?
I think we talked about this at the last meeting.
This breach of security will not be tolerated, the humans do not need to be informed, especially not those who, like PoisonIV, already know too much.

I'm going to have to discuss this with the High Counsel.

From now on every time you see a light in the sky, you hear a strange sound or have a bad dream, it is us.

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:49 pm

Haha, you and the high council think too much of these, humans. Millions of photographs have been took of our vessels and 'Grey' vessels and yet the majority are still not convinced of our existence, they will believe whatever our sock puppets tell them to believe. We could land on the white house front lawn tomorrow without reprocussion. Nonetheless I will do what the council commands of me... for now, I'll say nothing more. Oh Korgannu, how much longer must we wait before dawn, when we will slaughter them by the millions and drink their blood, I can't take this stinkin skin suit, and kissing up to these stinkin humans much longer.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:09 pm

I saw a vision yesterday night. These spirits were thrashing me with spiritual whips.
a woke to the sound of helicopter blades.
later that day a mysterious car drove by my house, with this weird looking dude.

He smiled and waved, and I instantly knew...and he knew that I know....and I knew that he knew that I knew that he knew....
Later that evening I was watching a movie...thee were all these symbols in it, you know?
Like satanic emblems and and gestures. I realized that I was onto something deep.

I thought I was going mad...instead I called it real....and the world was mad.
I have to warn the world....tomorrow, if I make it.

Pray for me.

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:11 pm

That reminds me of a story.
Remember that earthquake that happened in Thailand?
Well I had some premonitions and some foreshadowings about it.
3 and a half months before it happened, I had a dream my hometown of Saskatoon was struck by an earthquake. Now, I realize Saskatoon is a long way from Thailand, and that I have nightmares about disasters befalling me personally and the world all the time... and that an earthquake was bound to happen somewhere, sooner or later, but come on man, only 3 and a half months before it happened, freaky.
Not to mention 2 weeks prior to the earthquake, I watched a movie about an earthquake, I mean, what are the odds of that? Now, I realize I watch movies about disasters and such all the time, and none of those disasters occur shortly afterwards, but still... still.
Oh, I almost forgot, I became abruptly and inexplicably depressed the day it happened, before I even knew it was happening, my brain must have been acting as a reciever for all the pain and suffering that was being broadcasted. Now, I realize I'm depressed all the time, but the day it happened, my depression was weirder and more intense than usual. Of course my friends cat died 3 days prior to me getting depressed, but still, coincidence, I think not.
One last thing, two days after the earthquake happened, I got a handjob in a park from some broad, I mean, that never happens to me.

Now, you may not think much of these events, Satyr, you closed minded misogynist bigot fascist racist, but I do, and a growing number of my friends, family, and people without cridentials who write both pseudoscientific books and fantasy novels do, so fuck you!!! You'll be begging for God, once you get cancer or some other horrific tradedy befalls you, and I always take the beliefs of people more seriously when they're undergoing extreme traumatic stress, they're usually the most rational people, and they confirm all my suspicions about angels, ufos and moon crystals.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:02 pm

Well, Satyr, why don't you put one of your beliefs on the line, and I will challenge it, I don't care, I'm usually game, I'll pretend to disagree with you even if i don't, I'm sure I'll give you a good challenge.
Pav is good at debates too, better than most, me and him had a few good ones, but he hasn't been around lately.

BTW, I edited the above post to make it a little more coherent.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:32 pm

I don't think you're that difficult to challenge Satyr, it's a case of most people being too dumb and cowardly, not you being too smart and intellectually courageous, although you are very smart and intellectually courageous, don't get me wrong, but we're dealing with some real retards here, d63, and most of those at ilp.
Phoneutria and crapapple were ok, at least they had the guts to challenge us, even if they failed miserably, and weren't the least bit humble 'bout it, conceding nothing, they put up an adequate fight, kept us busy for a little while.
You need someone with more substance, someone who's thought existence through, someone like me, I think I can give you that, or maybe I'm just deluding myself, I've been full of self doubt lately... we'll see.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:49 pm

I'm easy to challenge, I admit it.
I'm only slightly above average intellectually, but I know what I believe and why.

It's not up to me to choose what you will defeat me at.
Pick my most vulnerable spot and be kind.
Kind in that you do not destroy what you think I think rather than what I did say.

I'm a bit busy these days, but I'm sure I'll find the time to get embarrassed.
Right now I'm debating with myself whether or not I should start a YouTube Blog, like some others have.

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:47 am

There's something very old testament about your hatred of homosexuals, I wonder if you have anything else in common with the o t morality? You believe in an eye for an eye, neh? What else? Do you hate liars, thieves, those who dishonour their parents? Of course you only hate others when they abuse those whom you consider 'noble'. Your brand of homohate is quite different, in that you despise egalitarian homosexuality, not hierarchical homosexuality. So is it the egalitarianism you despise, or the homosexuality, or both? Now, would you make a law against homosexuality, and if so, does this not constitute a form of nurture, which you are supposedly against, as you believe nurture protects the weak from culling, but nurture can also cull the weak, or those unfit to survive. Do you think asexual (wo)men should be killed also, since they are unfit, but why bother, since homosexuals/asexual will eradicate themselves by not procreating, and they may have something positive to contribute while they're still here.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:06 am

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There's something very old testament about your hatred of homosexuals, I wonder if you have anything else in common with the o t morality?
"Hatred"?
Are you pulling an ace out of your sleeve, dear? An emotional crutch?

If I expose, let's say, the lies behind vegetarianism...am I resentful of anyone who does not eat meat?
Is that your only angle...emotional appeals?

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You believe in an eye for an eye, neh?
"You believe" implies that there is an alternative.
I also believe in "no God" can YOU provide evidence or a cogent argument against my disbelief or should I assume that you are correct or worth considering on purely emotional grounds?

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What else? Do you hate liars, thieves, those who dishonor their parents?
This emotion "hate" again. I no more "hate" them than I "love" those that honor their parents.
What business is it of mine, dear?
What someone, or something, does, how it behaves, only serves as an indication of its nature.

I do not "hate" Christians, because their existence - pretentious and superficial though it might be - aids me in my quests. I only expose their nature, when nothing will come back to me.
I would not "hate" your stupidity, because it is preferable to me, but I would expose it and exploit it when and if the opportunity arises.

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Of course you only hate others when they abuse those whom you consider 'noble'.
I no more hate a virus for infecting one of the ones I love than i do an animal for doing what comes natural to it.
My intent, dear boy/girl, is the other side....I immunize.
I immunize with ideas and awareness.

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Your brand of homohate is quite different, in that you despise egalitarian homosexuality, not hierarchical homosexuality. So is it the egalitarianism you despise, or the homosexuality, or both?
How is the symptom of a disease different form the disease?
Homosexuality is a symptom.
"Despise" is your ace. I hope it works for you.
Is this a rational conversation or an emotional one?

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Now, would you make a law against homosexuality, and if so, does this not constitute a form of nurture, which you are supposedly against, as you believe nurture protects the weak from culling, but nurture can also cull the weak, or those unfit to survive.
I would no more make a law against homosexuality than I would against a virus or a genetic dysfunction or mutation.
I cannot be a judge against nature only a judge of nature.
Would I make a law against stupidity or being short or being ugly?

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Do you think asexual (wo)men should be killed also, since they are unfit, but why bother, since homosexuals/asexual will eradicate themselves by not procreating, and they may have something positive to contribute while they're still here.
"A-sexual"?
Define it.
I consider myself, somewhat indifferent to sex...in the same way I am indifferent to food.
I enjoy it, when it is present and easy to attain, but I do not define myself according to what I've eaten or how much of it I've eaten.

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:14 am

How far would you take this antinurture principle, at what point do you draw the line? Would you refrain from puting a saddle on a horse,or from disciplining your wives, children and slaves, I'm assuming you wouldn't refrain from doing these things. Why cultivate one area of nature and human nature, and not another? Come to think of it, you said you were against all forms of human nurturing, but obviously you're not, so it seems you're contradicting yourself. Perhaps you would merely remove laws that protect unmanly homosexuals and other 'perverts' from culling. Still, with or without government, this culling of the unfit is a form nurture, unless it is spontaneous, instinctive and disorganised. There's no guarantee bisexuals and fags would be culled in a state of nature. Would you kill Steven Hawkings, he's a genetic dead end? It seems you've invented some mutant hybrid of anarchism and fascism or decentralised eugenics.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:31 am

Oh come now, you should no better than that, I am many things, but emotional is not one of them, no bleeding heart liberal am I, I thought you hated the weak and inferior... maybe that would be making too much of them, eh? Maybe you're just for letting them die, or letting others take care of them. Maybe you're just indifferent to them, and you don't like how Christians and democratic socialists force us to care, and tax us on their behalf.

Let me ask you this, is timocracy not a form of nurturing? Shouldn't the strong be able to defend themselves? That's how it works in prison.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:42 am

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How far would you take this antinurture principle, at what point do you draw the line?
What does this even mean?

eyesinthedark wrote:
Would you refrain from puting a saddle on a horse,or from disciplining your wives, children and slaves, I'm assuming you wouldn't refrain from doing these things.
How is it "unnatural" to exploit?

eyesinthedark wrote:
Why cultivate one area of nature and human nature, and not another?
Who cares?
Would I lie about it?
Would I make it seem like a profound practice? Would I pretend that it is selfless and virtuous and worthy of emulation?

eyesinthedark wrote:
Come to think of it, you said you were against all forms of human nurturing, but obviously you're not, so it seems you're contradicting yourself.
Then allow me to clarify:
If nurturing means only knowledge or teaching and no shielding an individual form the world where all knowledge and training is to be tested, then yes I am against it.
It's easy to pretend you are for a loving, benevolent, tolerant, God when you do not have to put this into practice.

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Perhaps you would merely remove laws that protect unmanly homosexuals and other 'perverts' from culling.
I would not "remove" nor add anything except what is already present.
Laws serve me well if they keep degenerate, retards, from attacking me, but I shall not pretend or lie to myself that these degenerates, because they are inebriated by religion or some other ideal, are not capable of attacking me.

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Still, with or without government, this culling of the unfit is a form nurture, unless it is spontaneous, instinctive and disorganized.
No, because "government" implies a human intervention.
The idea that any human intervention is benign and benevolent or not guided by some external will is your myth, not mine.

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There's no guarantee bisexuals and fags would be culled in a state of nature.
"Guarantees" are for fags.
in nature fags would have no "automatic" "rights".
If they manage to procreate it would be due to their individual sacr9fice or power or happenstance or whatever, not be causer the system offered them a "right".

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Would you kill Steven Hawkings, he's a genetic dead end?
Why would I, personally, need to "kill" him?
If he were to die, what exactly would I be denying mankind of?

eyesinthedark wrote:
It seems you've invented some mutant hybrid of anarchism and fascism or decentralised eugenics.
Is that what it "seems" like?

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:47 am

I see, well, there are alternatives to an eye for an eye, there's mercy, forgiveness, natural human sentiments, and laws that are lenient and tolerant, and conversely there's vengeance, wrath, laws and people that would cut your testicles off for stealing a loaf of bread or eyeing another man's wife, you see there's a whole spectrum of human behavior, law and tradition, ranging from the sociopath to the Christian democrat. I'd say 10 eyes for 1 eye is the normal, natural human response, though in addition it depends on multiple factors, the demeanor/temperament of the victim, the severity of the transgression, the remorsefulness of the perpetrator, the age of the perpetrator, whether the transgression was intentional or not, law, custom, religion, eye for an eye across the board is terribly simplistic.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:57 am

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Oh come now, you should no better than that, I am many things, but emotional is not one of them, no bleeding heart liberal am I, I thought you hated the weak and inferior...
Really?
How could I "know better" outside of what you write?
I have no visual ques, no body language, no voice fluctuations, to go by....all I have is text.
If it were otherwise you would be, for me, an open book. There would be no need to engage you, as I would already know what I needed to know simply by analyzing your gestures, your tonal qualities, your facial and physical expressions.
That I even give you,or anyone else, the time of day is because words are all I have...and words challenge me.
I need to "work" more. I need to notice work usage, sentence structure, repetitions, meanings etc.

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maybe that would be making too much of them, eh?
Isn't that the test?
Overestimation and underestimation are the test.

Right THERE is the test. We all use projection, emotional appeals; we all use ourselves and out experiences and our personal analysis, as a groundwork, (our personal "baggage" or subjectivity) so what, exactly I the decisive factor?
Are all perspectives equal?
If not, then what defines the one perspective that stands out?

eyesinthedark wrote:
Maybe you're just for letting them die, or letting others take care of them.
I could care less. All I am for is not giving them an artificial, a manmade , advantage.

eyesinthedark wrote:
Maybe you're just indifferent to them, and you don't like how Christians and democratic socialists force us to care, and tax us on their behalf.
I only care about how it affects me and my own bloodline. Even this desire to teach, to make others aware, is based in this fundamental principle of making my own kind more likely to survive.

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Let me ask you this, is timocracy not a form of nurturing? Shouldn't the strong be able to defend themselves? That's how it works in prison.
Prison is an enclosed and controlled environment....how does this apply to Timocracy?

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:05 pm

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I see, well, there are alternatives to an eye for an eye, there's mercy, forgiveness, natural human sentiments, and laws that are lenient and tolerant, and conversely there's vengeance, wrath, laws and people that would cut your testicles off for stealing a loaf of bread or eyeing another man's wife, you see there's a whole spectrum of human behavior, law and tradition, ranging from the sociopath to the Christian democrat.
If so, then how are they not natural selection?

How is someone convincing himself that his ideals are "transcendental" the same as saying that they are essential or necessary for my own, personal, good?
How is buying into the bullshit and sentimentality, the same as being aware of the pragmatic factors?
Let me lower this to a level you might understand:

How is me becoming convinced that I am "in love" with a female, the same as me being aware that I require this female to procreate and that I will do whatever is necessary to accomplish my goal?
They both lead to the same consequences, only one is surprised, hurt, dismayed, whereas the other expects it, prepares for it.

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I'd say 10 eyes for 1 eye is the normal, natural human response, though in addition it depends on multiple factors, the demeanor/temperament of the victim, the severity of the transgression, the remorsefulness of the perpetrator, the age of the perpetrator, whether the transgression was intentional or not, law, custom, religion, eye for an eye across the board is terribly simplistic.
God...then how is this not like anything I've said, or how is this against Jude-Christian doctrine?

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:20 pm

"How is it "unnatural" to exploit?"

What makes it unnatural, the way I define it, is not that it is exploitive, wolves prey on human and animal flesh and I do not consider what they do unnatural or inherently bad (nor do I equate unnatural with bad), is the degree the left brain (learning, strategizing, reasoning, planning, organizing, manipulating) plays a role in the behavior, so there is no precise line betwee natural and artificial, it is natural for a human to kill and eat another human if he's hungry.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:24 pm

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"How is it "unnatural" to exploit?"

What makes it unnatural, the way I define it, is not that it is exploitive, wolves prey on human and animal flesh and I do not consider what they do unnatural or inherently bad (nor do I equate unnatural with bad), is the degree the left brain (learning, strategizing, reasoning, planning, organizing, manipulating) plays a role in the behavior, so there is no precise line betwee natural and artificial, it is natural for a human to kill and eat another human if he's hungry.
And?

Do YOU have a point?

Listen, boy, if you are going to attack me or debate me, make an effort to, at least, oppose me.
This, bullshit, about taking on another side, just for fuck's sake, is not my style, If you have no vested interest in what you fight for, then what are you doing: mental masturbation?

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Listen, boy...you cannot engage ion intellectual matters as if they were movies or something you participated in circumstantially, able to disengage form at will.
This is hypocrisy and it is quickly made evident through the quality of your responses. If you do not believe in what you are saying and are only indulging in it for the sake of conversation then it is obvious.
Debate for debate's sake, is what retards do, in forums like ILP where the goal is not to challenge fundamental beliefs but to pretend that, despite the fundamental belief and the shared myth, that all are practicing "free-will".

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:34 pm

What makes cannibalism unnatural is if its done to please the Gods, or for some abstract, cultural reason, or the amount of deliberation and planning that went into the kill, if it was done spontaneously with a hammer to satify ones hunger or rage, then it its perfectly natural, if it's done ritualistically and a great deal of premeditation and with poison, then it is more unnatural. You see I have a very clinical, idiosyncratic way of defining the word, It wasn't my intention to inject my morality into the debate or to heal your morality with my sacred, holy morality, my morality is just for others to leave me alone, if they cross me, I will murder or maim them, this may be the extent of morality, although it depends on my mood, and I'm constantly reevaluating myself and the world, as I am full of doubts, questions and curiosity.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:44 pm

listen jerk off, my intention here is to test the consistency of your beliefs, not to pit my morality against yours, or to adopt a phony morality for the sake of challeging you.

always concerned with motives and alterior motives, having a conversation with you is like having a conversation with an aircraft carrier or a missile defense system, you sound very paranoid.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:50 pm

You, are rambling.
I thought you were supposed to be other than D6 and the turd in the dungeon.
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What makes cannibalism unnatural is if its done to please the Gods, or for some abstract, .
Cannibalism in hat sense, intellectual or physical.
The only species I can feed upon mentally is the, supposed, human one.
That there is no other, does not mean that there will never be any other.

The division between mimetics and genetics is fundamental.
If I abuse, use, manipulate, exploit, a moron, this is form of mimetic cannibalism.

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cultural reason, or the amount of deliberation and planning that went into the kill, if it was done spontaneously with a hammer to satify ones hunger or rage, then it its perfectly natural,
Rage, is a form of hunger.
When a lion pounces on a buffalo is emotional, and physical state can be compared to a stage of eager.
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if it's done ritualistically and a great deal of premeditation and with poison, then it is more unnatural.
I've already gone over the difference between "artificial" and "natural". I cannot repeat this over and over again.
Either provide a challenge on point or do not bother.
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You see I have a very clinical, idiosyncratic way of defining the word, It wasn't my intention to inject my morality into the debate or to heal your morality with my sacred, holy morality, my morality is just for others to leave me alone, if they cross me, I will murder or maim them, this may be the extent of morality, although it depends on my mood, and I'm constantly reevaluating myself and the world, as I am full of doubts, questions and curiosity
In other words: you are not really challenging or debating me, but are only using, what you think,is the best method of extracting information from me.


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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:53 pm

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listen jerk off, my intention here is to test the consistency of your beliefs, not to pit my morality against yours, or to adopt a phony morality for the sake of challeging you.
Therefore, questioning have been replaced with hypocritical challenges.

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always concerned with motives and alterior motives, having a conversation with you is like having a conversation with an aircraft carrier or a missile defense system, you sound very paranoid.
Wait a minute...you mean that when you use the method of attack, of challenge, I am supposed to be passive and defenseless?
If you were to ask me a question, to clarify, I would respond, but you do not....you assault...and so you expect what?
Do you expect, passivity?

Why?

Do I owe you something outside this exchange?

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:53 pm

my point was that you said you are against all human nurturing, but you pick and choose, you are inconsistent, sometimes you are for nature, sometimes for nurture. now, originally i thought you were for killing fags and other people unfit to survive, but i was wrong, but still are for other nurturing, cultivating, domesticating, like timocracy, some laws, culture, traditions, slavery, raising your wife and children a certain way.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:00 pm

If nurturing is the issue then one must first admit that it is all about human intervention, which is what nurturing is all about, and then what KIND of nurturing one is to apply, because none are created equal.

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:13 pm

you're psychotic. that's not a moral assessment, it is a psychological fact, your brain is on hyper alert, hyper defense mode, you see alterior motives, hidden agendas and manipulations in every innocent word that comes your way. relax man, take a breath. i'm not hear to exploit you, or manipulate you, use you or abuse you, or get you to convert to mormonism. can you not just have a conversation and see where it leads, play it out for a while without making all these negative assumptions preemptively, and false accusations. it's just a conversation, and it is your beliefs that are on trial here, not my character, that should be secondary at most, and it is always consistently negative, never anything positive to say about anyone, you immediately assume the worst case scenaio when dealing with people, you must have been hurt many times in your life, and/or you're just cazy/eccentric. you see you have been assessed as well, and i have concluded you have paranoid personality disorder.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:30 pm

yes, i think we've uncovered an inconsistency here, timocracy is a form of nurture, in that it protects farmers and/or merchants from having their asses handed to them by thieves and raiders, just like socialism protects one class of men from a form of exploitation, timocracy protects merchants from another, more physical, violent form of abuse, that sounds like intervention and sheltering to me, why should i be taxed to protect some timocrats property, or you, why should except their form of government, it self serving and weak partial like any other, let those with acrage or cattle protect it themselves, stupid weaklings.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:45 pm

i don't think you're against sheltering, nurturing and interventionism per say, you're for it when protects a group of men that you identify with, timocrats, although i take it you yourself have no land, and no farm animals, and your against it when it protects men you do not identify with, like the lower classes, of which you are a member, although you identify with the farmer in spirit, men with acrage and cattle, which is funny. why should farmers, herdsmen, and whatever other class timocracy caters to, from the anger of the poor, or gangsters, pirates, do you want us to believe your timocrats are the strong, productive, non exploitive class who is divinely ordained to rule, can't you see that timocrats are only made strong by government intervention. is satyr a kind of christian humanist as well, a selective one? not all timocrats are strong, farmers, land owners, corporatists, some of these faggots wouldn't last 5 minutes a state of anarchy, yet they want us to believe they're courageous and mor noble...
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:11 pm

eyersinthedark wrote:
you're psychotic. .
Yes...whatever.
I've heard it all before, and called worse.
This is still not an argument...it is a judgment, an accusatory based on an emotional response.

eyesinthedark wrote:
that's not a moral assessment, it is a psychological fact, your brain is on hyper alert, hyper defense mode, you see ulterior motives, hidden agendas and manipulations in every innocent word that comes your way.
Ah, so you are here to tell me that you are, automatically, not attacking or non threatening, even if you are unknown to me, is that it?
Shall I, despite all indications, take your word on it, or should I take your actions as more honest?

eyersinthedark wrote:
relax man, take a breath.
I will....ha......ha...and HA.....are we in some kind of alternative reality, some place where nothing I say or do matters to me in any way...some game-boy play?
Do your activities matter or are your words more honest?

eyersinthedark wrote:
i'm not hear to exploit you, or manipulate you, use you or abuse you, or get you to convert to mormonism.
Do you promise?
Are you sure?
What are your "real" motives, other than the ones you are are aware of? Are you aware of tour own motives? Do you truly "know yourself"?

eyesinthedark wrote:
can you not just have a conversation and see where it leads, play it out for a while without making all these negative assumptions preemptively, and false accusations.
Sure...can you? Can you pose a question which is not misleading or insinuating or based on presumption?
Shall I be more subtle? Is that what you mean by "civilized" or more "complex" thinking?

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it's just a conversation, and it is your beliefs that are on trial here, not my character, that should be secondary at most, and it is always consistently negative, never anything positive to say about anyone, you immediately assume the worst case scenario when dealing with people, you must have been hurt many times in your life, and/or you're just cazy/eccentric. you see you have been assessed as well, and I have concluded you have paranoid personality disorder
Are you implying, whether you know it or not, that the thinker is other than the thought; that the mind is other than the body; that the quality is different than the quantity; that the judgment is other than the judge?

Is THAT what you are saying?

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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:00 pm

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Then allow me to clarify:
If nurturing means only knowledge or teaching and no shielding an individual form the world where all knowledge and training is to be tested, then yes I am against it.
It's easy to pretend you are for a loving, benevolent, tolerant, God when you do not have to put this into practice.
All of civilization is a form of shielding from nature, a farmer shields himself from having to forage and gather in the cold, dank woods, from having to rummage through thorns and thistles, he domesticates, tames the plants, fruits and vegetables, bends their nature to his nature, to his will, clothing and shelter shield us from the bitter cold, a shepard shields himself from having to chase his prey everynight, he weeds out their fearful, aggressive tendencies, humanizes them, builds a fence around so as to monopolise their flesh and fur. This ingenuity has yielded a great abundance and resources, where before they were was uncertainty and scarcity. This lead to a population boom, but man abuses his technology, leading to overpopulation, resource depletion, soil erosion, and many other environmental problems, atrophy, lack of excersise, obesity. My question to you is, at what point do you draw the line, at point what point does man become decadent. Do you arbitarily draw it, on a whim, or have you carefully considered it?

Now, man also domesticates man, the left, right, center, up and down factions, groups, wings, each have their own ways of domesticating other individuals, classes, genders, races, etc, to make the other easier to manage, more fruitful and productive for the individual, class, gender, race, doing the domesticating, and each one attempts to convince the other and even himself, that he is doing so in the name of God, or whatever, republicans, monarchs and democrats alike believed and believe in 'rights'. The monarchs believe in the 'divine rights' of kings, repulicans believe in the divine/'natural rights' of individuals, and democrats believe in the natural rights of the majority, the collective, or whatever, whatever suits them. The key is to make the other think that you and yours have the right to rule, ordained by God, natural law, or that it extrinsically benefits the whole of society if he and his were to rule, or that he and his are more 'pure' and 'noble', but in reality, is all a bunch of hogwash, as far as I can tell. The rightwing and the left are full of shit. I am primarily for me and secondly for my own, those similar to me, in terms of ability, personality, in terms of blood. The further you deviate from the principle of egoism, the more you error. I play 'round with other paradigms, but this is the one I return to, because it makes sense, it best describes my nature, our nature.

Your oligarchs, whether they be warriors or farmers, are no different, each sings a bullshit song about himself.
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PostSubject: Re: Open Challenge Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:56 pm

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Really?
How could I "know better" outside of what you write?
I have no visual ques, no body language, no voice fluctuations, to go by....all I have is text.
If it were otherwise you would be, for me, an open book. There would be no need to engage you, as I would already know what I needed to know simply by analyzing your gestures, your tonal qualities, your facial and physical expressions.
That I even give you,or anyone else, the time of day is because words are all I have...and words challenge me.
I need to "work" more. I need to notice work usage, sentence structure, repetitions, meanings etc.
So in other words, philosophy is pretense for you, a means to an end, the primary goal being psychoanalysis. Despite your 'humble' bullshit you use to wipe your ass with, you really think little or nothing of me, or anyone else on these forums, you have nothing to gain, intellectually and philosophically from us, you're using us to hone your psychoanalytical abilities, the internet is a means of challenging you, sharpening your skills, philosophy is just one way of exposing nature hiding behind nurture and pretense, which makes you a kind of troll. This 'discussion' is ass wipe, why all the psychological attacks I thought to myself, because you're fucking nuts, or because you're hiding something. This is all part of a ritual for you, isn't it? This thread didn't go the way your were anticipating, did it? You weren't hoping for a philosophical exchange, you were hoping to unmask another closet egoist hiding behind a Christian mask, but I'm just an egoist, primarily, no Christian here, so tough luck, ass jack.

This is all part of some perverse ritual for you. You began life as an idealist (1st a Christian, then a socialist) and ended up a realist, a bitter cynic. Your hopes and dreams were dashed, promises were broken, but finally (only after 46 years) you woke up to a stark reality. You realized all was a farce, a sham, a spectacle, but you did not blame them, did you, those who you feel let you down, they were just animals, intellectually inferior to you in every way, but nor did you forget, you vowed never to let yourself be duped again, so now you seek out 'Christians' and 'socialists' on line, hoping to expose them as fools, liars and hypocrites every chance you get, you think they're so far gone they've even duped themselves, concerning their own nature in particular and human nature in general, or as your 'Trivers' suggests, they lie to themselves to make the lie (universal equality and brotherhood of man) more believable to those they mean to dupe.

"Express yourself exactly as you are and face the consequences." The Hannibal Lectre thing, the entire persona you crafted is a psychological weapon you use to expose retards to reality, hoping they will kill themselves, and cultivating tactics for figuring these animals out and how to expose them or manipulate them.

Your philosophy is half baked anyway, some points are very ingenious, others are full of holes and contradictions, and I am not saying this because I am a Christian (you wish), I am saying this because I am superior to you in some ways. This isn't about philosophy, it is about you masterbating, exposing and raping naive minds with some truth.
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