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PostSubject: Liberals and Conservatives Liberals and Conservatives EmptyWed Feb 08, 2012 9:15 am

Another attack on white working class conservatives by England's most effete liberal, George Monbiot. Before reading the article take a look at the specimen we are dealing with:

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This phenotype has hidden itself away in the Church for millennia, finding refuge from an indifferent universe in which it is found to be physically inferior compared to other males, having been born less robust and slighter in nature. But modernism has opened up new vistas and opportunities through which it can vent its resentment at the world; especially against those it sees as its natural persecutors - the healthy and robust, those who simply have less need of a social safety net - and it is these it deems as less worthy.

There is a link at the bottom to the study quoted in the article claiming conservatives are less intelligent.      

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The right's stupidity spreads, enabled by a too-polite left

Conservativism may be the refuge of the dim. But the room for rightwing ideas is made by those too timid to properly object

Self-deprecating, too liberal for their own good, today's progressives stand back and watch, hands over their mouths, as the social vivisectionists of the right slice up a living society to see if its component parts can survive in isolation. Tied up in knots of reticence and self-doubt, they will not shout stop. Doing so requires an act of interruption, of presumption, for which they no longer possess a vocabulary.

Perhaps it is in the same spirit of liberal constipation that, with the exception of Charlie Brooker, we have been too polite to mention the Canadian study published last month in the journal Psychological Science, which revealed that people with conservative beliefs are likely to be of low intelligence. Paradoxically it was the Daily Mail that brought it to the attention of British readers last week. It feels crude, illiberal to point out that the other side is, on average, more stupid than our own. But this, the study suggests, is not unfounded generalisation but empirical fact.

It is by no means the first such paper. There is plenty of research showing that low general intelligence in childhood predicts greater prejudice towards people of different ethnicity or sexuality in adulthood. Open-mindedness, flexibility, trust in other people: all these require certain cognitive abilities. Understanding and accepting others – particularly "different" others – requires an enhanced capacity for abstract thinking.

But, drawing on a sample size of several thousand, correcting for both education and socioeconomic status, the new study looks embarrassingly robust. Importantly, it shows that prejudice tends not to arise directly from low intelligence but from the conservative ideologies to which people of low intelligence are drawn. Conservative ideology is the "critical pathway" from low intelligence to racism. Those with low cognitive abilities are attracted to "rightwing ideologies that promote coherence and order" and "emphasise the maintenance of the status quo". Even for someone not yet renowned for liberal reticence, this feels hard to write.

This is not to suggest that all conservatives are stupid. There are some very clever people in government, advising politicians, running thinktanks and writing for newspapers, who have acquired power and influence by promoting rightwing ideologies.

But what we now see among their parties – however intelligent their guiding spirits may be – is the abandonment of any pretence of high-minded conservatism. On both sides of the Atlantic, conservative strategists have discovered that there is no pool so shallow that several million people won't drown in it. Whether they are promoting the idea that Barack Obama was not born in the US, that man-made climate change is an eco-fascist-communist-anarchist conspiracy, or that the deficit results from the greed of the poor, they now appeal to the basest, stupidest impulses, and find that it does them no harm in the polls.

Don't take my word for it. Listen to what two former Republican ideologues, David Frum and Mike Lofgren, have been saying. Frum warns that "conservatives have built a whole alternative knowledge system, with its own facts, its own history, its own laws of economics". The result is a "shift to ever more extreme, ever more fantasy-based ideology" which has "ominous real-world consequences for American society".

Lofgren complains that "the crackpot outliers of two decades ago have become the vital centre today". The Republican party, with its "prevailing anti-intellectualism and hostility to science" is appealing to what he calls the "low-information voter", or the "misinformation voter". While most office holders probably don't believe the "reactionary and paranoid claptrap" they peddle, "they cynically feed the worst instincts of their fearful and angry low-information political base".

The madness hasn't gone as far in the UK, but the effects of the Conservative appeal to stupidity are making themselves felt. This week the Guardian reported that recipients of disability benefits, scapegoated by the government as scroungers, blamed for the deficit, now find themselves subject to a new level of hostility and threats from other people.

These are the perfect conditions for a billionaires' feeding frenzy. Any party elected by misinformed, suggestible voters becomes a vehicle for undisclosed interests. A tax break for the 1% is dressed up as freedom for the 99%. The regulation that prevents big banks and corporations exploiting us becomes an assault on the working man and woman. Those of us who discuss man-made climate change are cast as elitists by people who happily embrace the claims of Lord Monckton, Lord Lawson or thinktanks funded by ExxonMobil or the Koch brothers: now the authentic voices of the working class.

But when I survey this wreckage I wonder who the real idiots are. Confronted with mass discontent, the once-progressive major parties, as Thomas Frank laments in his latest book Pity the Billionaire, triangulate and accommodate, hesitate and prevaricate, muzzled by what he calls "terminal niceness". They fail to produce a coherent analysis of what has gone wrong and why, or to make an uncluttered case for social justice, redistribution and regulation. The conceptual stupidities of conservatism are matched by the strategic stupidities of liberalism.

Yes, conservatism thrives on low intelligence and poor information. But the liberals in politics on both sides of the Atlantic continue to back off, yielding to the supremacy of the stupid. It's turkeys all the way down.



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PostSubject: Re: Liberals and Conservatives Liberals and Conservatives EmptyWed Feb 08, 2012 11:40 am

Being "liberal" because it suits some purpose is one thing, being liberal because you actually believe all men are equal or deserve this or that is another form of retardation.

If we understand that conservative is a term suggesting that the ones in power should be maintained there indefinitely then being "liberal" is but a means of replacing this masculine power with your own.
In this case "progress" is but a way of replacing the elite with a new one.

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PostSubject: Re: Liberals and Conservatives Liberals and Conservatives EmptyWed Feb 08, 2012 7:20 pm

He looks like Dustin Hoffman.
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PostSubject: Truth and Nature Liberals and Conservatives EmptyWed Feb 08, 2012 11:29 pm

There is a common theme running through most threads on this forum. That theme is Jew hate, pure and simple, we hate Jews and/or all the stand for.
What do we stand for?
Nature, truth.
What is nature, what is truth?
Humans are racist, selfish and sexist by nature.
Humans, like all animals, are programmed by nature to preserve themselves? Why, fuck heads (not Satyr and Vanitas)? Because if we were programmed to preserve rocks, eat concrete or love ducks more than ourselves... wait for it... we wouldn't be here, we wouldn't fucking be here, it's called evolution. Now, humans are born with moral feelings for other members of their species, and even with moral feelings for other species, however, we have a hierarchy of moral consideration. We consider the welfare of ourselves 1st, our (extended) family 2nd, our species 3rd and other species a distant, distant 4th. After all our needs are satisfied then maybe, maybe we'll devote a little of our time and energy to helping humanity as a whole, and life as a whole. We're programmed to seek out and collaborate with others genetically, mentally, emotionally and physically similar to ourselves, creatures we can relate to (this is why no one gives a flying fuck about fish, but a few are outraged by the persecution of dolphins... because dolphins are more similar to us in everyday). Also, we're programmed to care more about the mentally, emotionally and physically healthy, and those with potential. Now, from an absolute, objective standpoint, there is nothing good or evil about this, it just is.

So what happened then, how did we get here?

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But, drawing on a sample size of several thousand, correcting for both education and socioeconomic status, the new study looks embarrassingly robust. Importantly, it shows that prejudice tends not to arise directly from low intelligence but from the conservative ideologies to which people of low intelligence are drawn. Conservative ideology is the "critical pathway" from low intelligence to racism. Those with low cognitive abilities are attracted to "rightwing ideologies that promote coherence and order" and "emphasise the maintenance of the status quo". Even for someone not yet renowned for liberal reticence, this feels hard to write.
There's nothing inherently illogical with 'prejudice', in fact, it is perfectly natural to love your own kind, simply because they're your own kind, even if they're dumber and uglier than other kinds. Is it illogical for a swan to love its own offspring more than the offspring of a monkey, or a human? Do you think we can convince the swan to love the offspring of a monkey, or a human, as much or more than its own? Its behavior is 'prejudice', after all, monkeys and humans are smarter and more fit than swans, so swans should sacrifice themselves for monkeys and humans, and if humans ever encounter a species more intelligent than our own, we should sacrifice ourselves for it, we should let ourselves be enslaved by it.

This is not how nature and evolution work. Don't get me wrong, I'd place the life of an intelligent, descent chink over the life of a white retard, but I'd place the life of an intelligent, descent Caucasian above the life of an intelligent, descent chink.

Liberals are not more intelligent than conservatives, oh contraire, their natural programming, their instincts have been overwritten. Who has overwritten them? Jews. Why? To prevent us from enslaving and/or exterminating them, and so they can eventually enslave and/or exterminate us. How? By denying nature, by deceiving us into believing their supernatural fantasy (all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness) is more real than natural reality.

Nature is discrimination, we discriminate based on race, intelligence, health and ethnicity.

The Greeks and Romans did not invent egalitarianism, their democracies and republics were earned by spilling the blood of their enemies, both from within (monarchs, oligarchs) their ranks and from without (Persians, Carthaginians etc). They never had this notion that all men are created equal and deserve political rights and freedoms, which is why the birth of slavery coincided with the death of serfdom and the birth of democracy, the liberals have been brainwashing us with this crap for centuries now.

Although Liberals tend to be smarter than conservatives, they also tend to spend more time in school, and what is school but brainwashing? Anyway, both liberals and conservatives are pretty dumb in comparison to me, and I'm neither a liberal nor a conservative. I'd describe myself as an egoist.
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PostSubject: Re: Liberals and Conservatives Liberals and Conservatives EmptyThu Feb 09, 2012 6:33 am

Satyr wrote:
Being "liberal" because it suits some purpose is one thing, being liberal because you actually believe all men are equal or deserve this or that is another form of retardation.
In some cases, though, I think liberalism evolves as a beings natural reaction to the world when it finds itself outnumbered by physically superior males. It cannot take sides or go it alone as this would put its survival at risk, so it adopts a diplomatic posture, fence sitting, and tries to reconcile differences, and so in typical liberal fashion allows weakness and hypocrisy to proliferate. I would go so far to say that this is probably the ontological origin of the phenomena, inextricably tied to a physical nature, as all things must be.

I've met thousands of liberals in my life and none of them were the physical type. In fact, they cultivate an emotional distance so as not to be come involved, to avoid physical conflict, even when it comes to protecting their own children. In this respect they have much in common with homosexuals, another type physically distant from the world.

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Open-mindedness, flexibility, trust in other people: all these require certain cognitive abilities.
Consider this quote from the article. It is a perfect description of the cognitive abilities of an idiot or someone with down syndrome. This is the kind of non-threatening, open-mindedness liberals promote.



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PostSubject: Re: Liberals and Conservatives Liberals and Conservatives EmptyThu Feb 09, 2012 6:49 am

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Liberals are not more intelligent than conservatives, oh contraire, their natural programming, their instincts have been overwritten.
This is true, and why liberals find nature, their own in fact, to be so disagreeable.

Hence why the simulacrum, the attempt to cover it up and level it all seems to natural to the modern mind. The so-called damage being down to the animal kingdom is nothing compared to what is being wrought upon the human world by forced interbreeding with the untermensch.
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PostSubject: Re: Liberals and Conservatives Liberals and Conservatives EmptyThu Feb 09, 2012 6:31 pm

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Vanitas wrote: Consider this quote from the article. It is a perfect description of the cognitive abilities of an idiot or someone with down syndrome. This is the kind of non-threatening, open-mindedness liberals promote.


Right, these qualities aren't inherently intelligent, no qualities are inherently intelligent. Intelligence is knowing where, when, how and why an attitude or behaviour is advantageous and where, when, how and why it is disadvantageous. For example, I should trust my friends and family, I shouldn't trust the shady looking nigger in the alley way. Open-mindedness means not having strong opinions about things. A child or a retard shouldn't have strong opinions about most things, an old man should. At some point in the article he equates order with stupidity. The ability to arrange and organize things to show relation, is itself a form of intelligence. I think this Jew knows what he's doing though, he's waging war on white people, he's trying to dumb us down. He should be hung for treason.
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PostSubject: Re: Liberals and Conservatives Liberals and Conservatives EmptyThu Feb 09, 2012 6:35 pm

There's nothing smart about helping the dumb, poor, sick, lame and degenerate by giving them a free lunch and allowing them to procreate (liberalism).
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PostSubject: On Conservatism Liberals and Conservatives EmptyFri Feb 10, 2012 2:20 pm

The conservative is femininity personified.

Conservative societies tend to be absolute monarchy societies. In absolute monarchy, 99% of the population plays the role of the feminine, a tiny minority plays the role of the masculine. The overall estrogen level is higher in absolute monarchist societies than in limited democratic societies. In democracy, the majority plays the role of the masculine, minorities the feminine. In anarchism and capitalism, anyone can potentially be an alpha (competition), and in a sense, is their own alpha (individualism), where as in absolute monarchist societies, there is a monopoly on alphadom.

Conservative societies tend to be God fearing, monotheist societies. If there is an authority or authorities higher than man, antihumanism, than this relegates man to woman.

Traditionalism is a passive, feminine attitude. Let's just do things the way they've always been done and hope for the best, rather than challenge the status quo and redirect things. A man would say, how do we know the way we've been doing things is the correct way? A woman would say, let's just trust the wisdom of our ancestors.

Conservatives tend to be conformists, they go along to get along, there's little in the way of individuality and uniqueness.

The Blank Slate doctrine is a masculine doctrine. The Blank Slate doctrine emphasizes intellect, freedom and artifice, its other emphasizes instinct, determinism and nature.

Fatalism, pessimism and realism (we can't change things, essentially, we can't improve them, let's accept what is... death, decay, change) are feminine attitudes, optimism and idealism are masculine attitudes.

Nature. Conservative societies tend to be closer to nature, nature is feminine, modernity is the personification of Uranus, man, raping and ravaging Gaia.

Conservative societies tend to put emphasis on emotion and intuition rather than reason and observation. When the enlightenment philosophers worshiped reason as God, as opposed to their emotions, or God, they were placing masculinity over and above femininity.

Conservative societies tend to be dumb, irrational, uneducated and superstitious.

Capitalism and anarchism is the war of all against all, what could be more masculine than that, as opposed to passively accepting the authority of kings and popes. What could be more masculine than rebellion, revolution? The enlightenment was full of disobedience and rearranging, reorganizing society from the ground up.

To summarize, 18th century illuminism and classical liberalism was the height of masculinity, the medieval outlook femininity, or perhaps there's multiple ways to interpret this, and there is no right or wrong answer. If classical liberalism is masculine, than what is modern liberalism? I think modern liberalism and socialism constitute a return of feminine ideologies, born in the counter enlightenment or romantic period.
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PostSubject: Re: Liberals and Conservatives Liberals and Conservatives EmptyThu Mar 08, 2012 4:27 am

Conservatism does not exist anymore in England. It was destroyed by Thatcher.
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PostSubject: Re: Liberals and Conservatives Liberals and Conservatives EmptyFri Mar 09, 2012 10:44 am

Vanitas wrote:
I've met thousands of liberals in my life and none of them were the physical type. In fact, they cultivate an emotional distance so as not to be come involved, to avoid physical conflict, even when it comes to protecting their own children. In this respect they have much in common with homosexuals, another type physically distant from the world.

Yes, this is right.
One can trace the evolution of one kind of cunning itself to weak physiology.

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