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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:51 pm

I'm not analysing you, you're analysing me.
You can't help reflecting you living experience on your view of me, though, and that's what reeks of rejection so bad.
I don't look down on you for it. No, the great satyr is not immune to the subjectiveness of life.

But it's a good show. I hope there's a season two.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:59 pm

Me lady, you have me at a disadvantage, for you are by nature a keen eye, able to see through pretense and lies, whereas I have had to teach my self this fine art of human reading.

Projection is indeed a mode of understanding, but not all project from a personal experience because not all require to hit their thumb with a hammer to learn not to swing it so heavily and carelessly.

Nevertheless, who am I to tell you that your senses fool you?
Let us assume that you are correct and then try to figure out how this discounts anything I've said or how this makes you anything but a simple wench.

Until then the idea of my pain should suffice to keep you entertained and warmed by its vengeance.

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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:00 pm

Actually, this has been a riveting couple of days, I've tried to get away from this site, but I find myself falling back in.

regardless of where the passions come from, love/hate/hope/fear, they do come from our immediate needs, 4 fs, nonetheless they still have inherent value for us, we aren't survival robots, we're passionate creatures, though some have attained a greater degree of rationality. now, please address what i'm saying here, and not some fucking archetype, no one always does what's in their survival interest. the question is, is it rational to do what is ones survival interests? can reason prescribe, or can it only describe the world?
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:03 pm

for example, the need for adventure may ultimately have it's origin in survival, but some are born with a disprportionate need for it, in terems of what's in their survival interests, nonetheless they don't care, even when realizing this fact, that their instinct isn't contributing to their survival, they will still jump out of an airplane, or climb mount everest, or smoke crack.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:06 pm

And the passions are a method of circumventing the survival instinct.
One becomes addicted to the chemicals his own body produces.

But do not fret, little girl, it all happens spontaneously, out of the blue, through some kind of mystical process unconnected to anything earthly and base like living or the desire to keep on living.

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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:07 pm

i don't think reason can prescribe anything, i've entertained it in my head, reason just describes what is, so ultimately reasons job is to tell us what is, and then our emotions respond to it automatically, like hume suggested.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:10 pm

no man has only done what's in his survival interests, to do so would be to try and acquire a harem and fuck as many women as possible and seed them, but few men do this, and the men that do this may only be to satisfy their lusts, or it may be partially to satisfy their lusts and to father children.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:11 pm

Then reason is how man tries to overcome himself, dear woman.
Reason is how man tries to be more than a common animal....not to deny himself but to gain control over himself...over his passions.

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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:11 pm

survival is also a passion, will to live is one of many wills
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:13 pm

you're only surviving because you're following your passions, fear of certain things, where is your harem, why aren't youf ucking girls left and right? that is because we are not survival mechanisms, these emotions and passions and instincts happened to evolve because they tend to lead to survival, but even when they don't, we still follow them to an extent, and try to satisfy them as much as possible.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:14 pm

there is nothting irrational about suicide.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:14 pm

and if there is, demonstrate it
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:14 pm

use reason to prove it
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:19 pm

No retard, an amoeba has no emotion...it feels no level of emotion we can call passion...it simply needs and it acts upon this need.

Passion, retard, is a later development. It is need focused upon an object/objective with such energy that the desire becomes overwhelming.

Woman, self-preservation is the first and primary care for any organism....then, with the excess of energies it is also to grow, to replicate itself or to add to itself.
To circumvent - and this is the second fuckin' time I'm repeating this - to circumvent, you retard, this primary function the emotion evolves to cloud the brain and make it do and act in ways that it would not normally do if it were in its right mind.

This is why, you stupid imbecile, love is blind....eros that is...the female's crowning glory. It is blind, irrational, madness....it is the brain flooded with chemicals which when cleared result in regret.

Of course, retard, replication also has a rational motive.
Mortality makes it more than a blind desire to fuck anything that moves.
We see here the close relationship of death with the reproduction act...with copulation.

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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:21 pm

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there is nothting irrational about suicide.
Little girl, suicide is hurrying the inevitable.
Stupid cunt, death is a certainty, to wish it earlier is irrational, since it takes away what is less certain and more rare: consciousness.

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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:29 pm

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No retard, an amoeba has no emotion...it feels no level of emotion we can call passion...it simply needs and it acts upon this need.
an amoeba has reflexes, we have relexes, instincts, emotions, reason, so what? how does this contradict what i said, goof?

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Passion, retard, is a later development. It is need focused upon an object/objective with such energy that the desire becomes overwhelming.
no shit, did i say it began first?

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Woman, self-preservation is the first and primary care for any organism....then, with the excess of energies it is also to grow, to replicate itself or to add to itself.
To circumvent - and this is the second fuckin' time I'm repeating this - to circumvent, you retard, this primary function the emotion evolves to cloud the brain and make it do and act in ways that it would not normally do if it were in its right mind.
no, retard, conscious, rational self preservation, only exists in humans and perhaps a few other animals, it is only us who are ware of what death is and implies, other animals just fucking do what they do, according to their programming. however, i suspect even with humans, we are ultimately controlled by our primitive emotions, all the time, they are activated, and reason just informs us what is, and emotion responds, like hume said, i am more/less an emotivist.

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This is why, you stupid imbecile, love is blind....eros that is...the female's crowning glory. It is blind, irrational, madness....it is the brain flooded with chemicals which when cleared result in regret.

sex is also blind, retard, a male chimp may fuck another male chimp in the ass, a mouse may fuck a stuffed mouse, not because he thinks it is a real mouse, it just does what it does, it has no real intention.

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Of course, retard, replication also has a rational motive.
Mortality makes it more than a blind desire to fuck anything that moves.
We see here the close relationship of death with the reproduction act...with copulation.
no of course, fucktarded cunt, demonstrate, don't just declare, you lazy cunt!

and you still haven't answered my question, why are you not fucking girls left and right, to preserve yourself, where is you harem, and your million dollars to take caer of your females, why are you wasting your time talking to us 'turds', did you make a rational calculation before you decided to talk to me, or did you just feel the need to show off your 'superior' reasoning skills, and you acted blindly on that need, you stupid retarded dumb animal fuck.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:30 pm

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Little girl, suicide is hurrying the inevitable.
Stupid cunt, death is a certainty, to wish it earlier is irrational, since it takes away what is less certain and more rare: consciousness.
insufficient retard, why is it logical to desire what is rare, it is an emotion, you pathetic, peice of slime, fuck!
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:33 pm

cunt i'll be back little girls cunt, hahaha
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:41 pm

Little girl, to die is to end consciousness and choice..it is to end self.
To want to preserve self is not emotion, although later emotions might be attached to the prospect of death and the ending of this self.

An automatic response, little girl, evolves into an emotion...which is also an automatic response.
Reason, imbecile, is contemplating one's actions and feelings after the fact...from the vantage point of an indifferent bystander.
Man's difference to animals, little woman, is that he can imagine his own death...he can project towards a possible future and experience it as if it were immediate.

But your question about the harems and the money is a perfect example of your simplicity and your hidden motive, isn't it turd?
Here you are riling against this instinctive drive to replicate, as a way of overcoming one's own mortality, and then you exhibit this same desire in the most absurd form.
The easy answer is, retard: limitations...my own, those imposed upon me by the environment.
The same limitations that prevent me from killing imbeciles like you, as a man would...forced to confront your kind in this feminine manner which has to justify itself and explain itself to a brain incapable of appreciating it.

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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:59 pm

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Little girl, to die is to end consciousness and choice..it is to end self.
and...?

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To want to preserve self is not emotion, although later emotions might be attached to the prospect of death and the ending of this self.
no, i am affraid of cancer, my reason tells me what cancer is and what it entails, my emotions respond, fear of cancer is what drives me to eat healthy and to excersise, on the other hand a child may fear a clown or a bear, not knowing what the fuck it represents, fear can arise from what reason tells us about the world, and from pure, raw sensory data, from complex ideas about what fate may befall us in the future, projections about the future, in addition to immediate phenomena.

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An automatic response, little girl, evolves into an emotion...which is also an automatic response.
Reason, imbecile, is contemplating one's actions and feelings after the fact...from the vantage point of an indifferent bystander.
Man's difference to animals, little woman, is that he can imagine his own death...he can project towards a possible future and experience it as if it were immediate.
no, reason makes connections between phenomena, cause and effect, or this thing is similar to that thing, these things all share an essence..

..1 + 1 = 2, a dog is not a fish, of course a dog is partially a relative, arbitrary statement, a man from some little village in the middle of nowhere, may define fish as also a dog, may use the same word to describe both, and not fall into error, only if is inconsistent, but perhaps he wants to be inconsistent, how can one prove inconsistency is bad, and sometimes it may benefit ones survival to perform behaviours that are inconsistent. but i digress a little

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Man's difference to animals, little woman, is that he can imagine his own death...he can project towards a possible future and experience it as if it were immediate.
where's your proof of this, retard, it sounds absurd, did you have a sex/brain change?

right, females don't think of the future, fear about it worry about it, tell a woman she will be tortured in a few days, and she will experience no fear, and not be able to grasp the implications of what it entails, and she will not make preparations to avoid it.

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But your question about the harems and the money is a perfect example of your simplicity and your hidden motive, isn't it turd?
Here you are riling against this instinctive drive to replicate, as a way of overcoming one's own mortality, and then you exhibit this same desire in the most absurd form.
The easy answer is, retard: limitations...my own, those imposed upon me by the environment.
The same limitations that prevent me from killing imbeciles like you, as a man would...forced to confront your kind in this feminine manner which has to justify itself and explain itself to a brain incapable of appreciating it.
i am not against the desire to replicate, if anything i am for it, i am for propegation of the human race, but that's just the way i feel, absence of the human race bothers me a little, absence of myself bothers me a lot, it is not irrational.
retard, why don't you spend more of your energy acquiring vast sums of money, in order to seed as many quality females as possible, you only had one son, many retards have done far better than you, people with low iqs having several children, you only had one, this is a contradiction of your principle, because you have no principle, retard, you're an emtoinal being, like everyone, fuck your simple.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:03 am

many bums on the street who fuck like rabbits have done better than you, at least in terms of quantity, i have no idea about quality.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:05 am

retard, you think you are some god, robot like being who only does what is 'rational', because this flatters you, and it gives you a feeling of power over others, but it is delusion, it is not backed by anything real, it is just a fantasy you are entertaining in your head, you are nothing special, somewhat unique, but not superior.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:06 am

eyesinthedark wrote:
no man has only done what's in his survival interests, to do so would be to try and acquire a harem and fuck as many women as possible and seed them, but few men do this, and the men that do this may only be to satisfy their lusts, or it may be partially to satisfy their lusts and to father children.
This made me lulz.

Few men aquire a harem because it's kind of not very available. It's not like picking up milk and bread at the grocery store....it doesn't just sell itself on a shelf to every day average men.

Survival interests are what we're made of.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:08 am

eyesinthedark wrote:
you're only surviving because you're following your passions, fear of certain things, where is your harem, why aren't youf ucking girls left and right? that is because we are not survival mechanisms, these emotions and passions and instincts happened to evolve because they tend to lead to survival, but even when they don't, we still follow them to an extent, and try to satisfy them as much as possible.
Lulz....again.

You have such excellent manners for not having naked women in cages in your basement. Thank you.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:09 am

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This made me lulz.

Few men aquire a harem because it's kind of not very available. It's not like picking up milk and bread at the grocery store....it doesn't just sell itself on a shelf to every day average men.

Survival interests are what we're made of.
yes, to a degree, but there are many things all of us do that are not in our survival interests, and not calculative, like watching a stupid movie, or talking to retards like satyr, or buying three cars instead of just one, or not trying to have 20 children, however one can accomplish this, i'm sure satyr isn't thinking, constantly, or even for a few seconds, about how he can maximize his fertilization strategy and seed as many females as possible, the retarded douche, but of course, whatever flatters the douche.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:12 am

it is satyr, who, in a 'round about way, has elevated the mind over the body, like a retard, not acknowledging the crucial role the body and the emotions play in our behaviour. he is not delusional like some others in believing ideals and ideas and our imaginings are prior to phenomena, but he is delusional for beliving reason is over and above, and prior to the emotions and instincts, we are irrational, retarded beings, some more than others of course.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:14 am

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Little girl, to die is to end consciousness and choice..it is to end self.
and...?
And...to choose to end choice willingly is irrational, particularly since it will end anyway at some time.
It is self contradicting self...nihilism.

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no, i am affraid of cancer, my reason tells me what cancer is and what it entails, my emotions respond, fear of cancer is what drives me to eat healthy and to excersise, on the other hand a child may fear a clown or a bear, not knowing what the fuck it represents, fear can arise from what reason tells us about the world, and from pure, raw sensory data, from complex ideas about what fate may befall us in the future, projections about the future, in addition to immediate phenomena.
Therefore, little girl, what fear represents in both cases is an anxiety concerning the unknown.

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no, reason makes connections between phenomena, cause and effect, or this thing is similar to that thing..
Yes turd...it does so after-the-fact....it takes the given and combines it or compares it.
Consciousness is always a looking back. Then more consciousness or higher consciousness sis a looking further back, surveying larger expanses of the past.

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where's your proof of this, retard, it sounds absurd, did you have a sex/brain change?
Are you saying, little cunt, that a dog knows of its own mortality?
Does a worm?
Does your mother?

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right, females don't think of the future, fear about it worry about it, tell a woman she will be tortured in a few days, and she will experience no fear, and not be able to grasp the implications of what it entails, and she will not make preparations to avoid it.
Who said that?
What voices in your head are you listening to this time?

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i am not against the desire to replicate, if anything i am for it, i am for propegation of the human race, but that's just the way i feel, absence of the human race bothers me, absence of myself bothers me, it is not irrational.
And it is not so because you are aware...well in your case minimally.
Your mother humped your daddy like a cow would with no concept about mortality or death. She acted on pure instinct and/or emotion.
Instinct and emotion are the first stages of genetic programming or genetic manipulation.
A dog does not hump another dog to save the canine species.

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retard, why don't you spend more of your energy acquiring vast sums of money, in order to seed as many quality females as possible, you only had one son, many retards have done far better than you, people with low iqs having several children, you only had one, this is a contradiction of your principle, because you have no principle, retard, you're an emtoinal being, like everyone, fuck your simple.
And ants do even better...in fact niggers far surpass me in that area.
Quantity over quality, woman.
Also, cost/benefit.
My life mans more to me than just having children....because I am reasonable and not emotional, like you.

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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:15 am

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why is it logical to desire what is rare
I duno.
It seems very illogical to me.
I mean, rare & valuable indicates some kind of advantage.
And I don't think advantages are very logical.
And that's my logic.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:16 am

not to mention avoiding painful emotions, and doing things that are emotionally pleasant to us, a more utilitarian perspective, emotivism and hedonism are related but not the same, these two doctrines.
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PostSubject: Re: Is reason the slave of the passions? Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:17 am

eyesinthedark wrote:

yes, to a degree, but there are many things all of us do that are not in our survival interests, and not calculative, like watching a stupid movie, or talking to retards like satyr, or buying three cars instead of just one, or not trying to have 20 children

And why aren't these things in our survival interest?

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