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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Feminism - Page 16 EmptySat Nov 15, 2014 1:54 pm

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I love the spirit that will not consider this a submission, on your part.


Yesss. Undeniably a powerful and irreproachable spirit.


Isnt the resisting female always attractive? Dialectics comes later to re-define.  

I guess, as long as it is noticed as a ploy or pretext.

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A woman can’t cancel out the possible threat of woman’s insatiableness and man’s suspiciousness of this by appealing to a “balanced” view of the feminine and masculine. It simply recreates new types of distance built around new understandings of balance(always in question, especially her “view” of this balance) and possible shared responsibilities(i.e. the world is so chaotic they come to a temporary truce to maintain a certain level of balance so that things don’t become so sloppy that culture is lost forever)...To what degree is it nonsensical for a woman to talk about order? Can she care about order more? And if she did, would this be a threat to order itself? What does it even mean anymore to place trust in order when everything moves so fast? Will traditional archetypes eventually become insignificant as reference points in such a way that new reference points/archetypes become less meaningful in terms of their power to organize and unify many people? Or is it impossible to “destroy” the meaning of the old archetype without new archetypes of equivalent or greater meaning necessarily emerging? Or will things become so individualized, so drowned out by new innovation, that it will become impossible to feel the “history” in an archetype to such an extent to inspire worthwhile movements? Or is every new innovation dependent enough on old archetypes in order to be “marketable”/novel etc that a certain feeling of history survives with every new rapid overturning of images? A certain splitting off between junk culture (that haphazardly and obnoxiously recycles) and “higher” culture, that at least tries (or so we like to believe) to incorporate “deeper” themes and be on the cutting edge of drama, without appearing at least to be “recycling” (or it’s much more careful not to appear this way).

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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Feminism - Page 16 EmptySat Nov 15, 2014 5:47 pm

It's not clear whether your asking these things about the perspectives of common people or above average.
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Lyssa wrote:
Lyssa wrote:
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I love the spirit that will not consider this a submission, on your part.


Yesss. Undeniably a powerful and irreproachable spirit.


Isnt the resisting female always attractive? Dialectics comes later to re-define.  


I forgot to add,  the above from the Apollonian perspective...

Meanwhile things are different in the Dionysian world.


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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Feminism - Page 16 EmptySun Nov 16, 2014 3:06 am

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All staged apparently; with the men in the video having been misled into believing it was about a student film project.

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Here's a funny one

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...the end result of Nihilism and its feminism offshoot.

Paternalism had to curb female sexual choice so as to integrate as many males into the system, making them investors.
Feminism releases females from biological males, retaining their submission to the institutionalized, abstraction of masculinity.

This also liberated all those males, most of which will remain excluded from the genetic pool - memetic selection.
These "men", retained in a state of adolescence (men-children) are the free radicals of the social structure.
The SuperOrganic body must deal with them, otherwise they become dangerous, destabilizing, cancerous.

How?
Entertainment (sports, movies, computer simulations, pornography etc.; chemical numbing (drugs, alcohol religion etc.); prostitution (sexual market for relieving libidinal energies); feminization (emasculation, forcing self-expression, training males to thing and behave like females etc.)

In homogeneous unities (memetic superorganic structures), integration was easier, and the loss of one male easily compensated for.
The shared genetics continues on.
In heterogeneous systems the elimination of genetic uniformity means that the particular traits of each tribal bloodline will vanish, replaced by a mix of shared lowest-common-denominator....a towards mediocrity, the median.
Intellectually speaking this only demands an average mind to work the techniques/technologies that compensate for all genetic limitations.

The natural balancing processes of nature are prevented from returning the system to an equilibrium, in relation to the environment.
Female sexual power un-bothered by male sexual power reaches the level of hyperbole.
Biological males can no longer deal with it, as it is protected, and their own advantages are criminalized.
Their only option, other than incarceration, is this MRA "turning away" - the dropping out, phasing out of the system.
Of course if they continue to pay into the system the faceless institutions do not care, in the short term.
The long-term effects is where they take notice: reduced birth-rates, lowered participation creating capital flow etc.

The most immediate effects are psychological.
Individuals alienated from each other and from the system.

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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Feminism - Page 16 EmptyTue Dec 16, 2014 6:23 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...the end result of Nihilism and its feminism offshoot.

From that article:

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Never before in history have relations between the sexes been so fraught with anxiety, animosity and misunderstanding.

Nietzsche wrote:
To grasp incorrectly the basic problem of "man and woman," to deny the most profound antagonism here and the necessity of an eternally hostile tension, perhaps in this matter to dream about equal rights, equal education, equal entitlements and duties - that's a typical sign of superficial thinking. And a thinker who has shown that he's shallow in this dangerous place - shallow in his instincts! - may in general be considered suspicious or, even worse, betrayed and exposed. Presumably he'll be too "short" for all the basic questions of life and of life in the future, and he'll be incapable of any profundity. By contrast, a man who does have profundity in his spirit and in his desires as well, together with that profundity of good will capable of severity and hardness and easily confused with them, can think about woman only in an oriental way: he has to grasp woman as a possession, as a property which he can lock up, as something predetermined for service and reaching her perfection in that service. In this matter he must take a stand on the immense reasoning of Asia, on the instinctual superiority of Asia: just as the Greeks did in earlier times, the best heirs and students of Asia, who, as is well known, from Homer to the time of Pericles, as they advanced in culture and in the extent of their power, also became step by step stricter against women, in short, more oriental. How necessary, how logical, even how humanly desirable this was: that's something we'd do well to think about!

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Say whose son thou art,
Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened,
And struck thy sword to my heart."


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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Feminism - Page 16 EmptyTue Dec 30, 2014 9:37 am

Feminism reduced to its simplest form....using a simple female as the specimen....



...more complex females exhibit the same behaviour using more sophisticated methods.

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The attitude of confidence, is that of indifference towards the particular.

This indifference is an exhibition of power...as in independence, rather than the neediness of dependence.
The younger, less experienced, a bit simpler, female will respond to it instinctively...not understanding why herself.

The more intellectual, uncertain male, because he is self-aware and factors in possibilities beyond the immediate, will seem uncertain, lacking confidence, less assertive...she will feel this as weakness.

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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Feminism - Page 16 EmptyTue Dec 30, 2014 11:00 am

'Indifference' - Did anybody see that idiot driving recklessly with his car? He smashed it into a tree. He actually wasn't that indifferent, he was hurt in the accident and to come to the point, he felt devastated about his wrecked car.
Did anybody see that careful driver? His carefulness isn't deliberate, it's just his way of driving. Just like the reckless driver didn't intentionally drive recklessly - it was just the way he is. He actually may even feel much less devastated about wrecking his car compared to the reckless driver.

Indifference goes only so far.
I am thinking about the caricature of a shaky nerd who chokes on his own words when talking to girls.
That same nerd may handle highly toxic substances, at his work staying cool as a cucumber.

The reason is found in the way of relating -
Women are sexually not tuned to being related to as a subject.
Which is ironic...
I guess if they say 'Don't objectify women!' then that's precisely what is required.
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The conclusion which is drawn is false and serves to further solidify a narrative. The conclusion being - "Little men with very big hearts."

I don't think the reason why those boys age 7 to 11 didn't slap those girls is found in their hearts for the most part. I'm not saying they don't have that kind of heart but the reason why those young boys didn't obey the authority figure was because of an established powerful narrative, an ideal, namely 'Boys should never hit girls.'

And now, this story is again solidifying that narrative via the appeal - "If you have a big heart, in other words, if you are 'good' then you don't slap girls." This is teaching boys to look for validation coming from women and society in general - Feminization.

Just as feminism is teaching women to pretend to be masculine this society is teaching men to remain boys - to not develop their masculine potential.
This is because the masculine potential of man has always a divisive and discriminative component and that's not part of the egalitarian dream.
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Everything is pretend, in this world.
If you've got the money you can pretend to be anything, and others will play along.

The system is build on a collective agreement to not expose the other as a fake, if he reciprocates and does not go overboard.

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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Feminism - Page 16 EmptyTue Jan 06, 2015 8:00 pm

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The system is build on a collective agreement to not expose the other as a fake, if he reciprocates and does not go overboard.

Either I am changing in the opposite direction or it's the media or both but the stories they spin and the talk which is being talked have become increasingly 'overboard' to me. And I'm not the only one.
A fragmentation into sub-groups.
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The content can be whatever as long as the presentation is sharp (for one, good writing just doesn't happen, so it's very easy for above average writers to just play out the same old themes with new innovative cinematography... so what should of been a really tired moral message by now, is constantly regenerated). In that video though, it plays to another angle, which is being ordered to commit violence, and the kids refuse the command. The audience is "charmed"(if you're an idiot) by the over-the-top music, the sound of Italian(If you're not Italian), and the innocence of a first encounter between a boy and a girl... then the tone of the director immediately changes ("And now... Slap her!")... so a sudden shift in tone from a mature male which would stun a young boy anyways, but the young boys fights back (the "innocence of youth" fights back)... So what's the message? Violence ruins the magic of the moment.

Even if the narrative was that hitting girls is good, especially when ordered, the boys would still hesitate after experiencing that first magical encounter, it's just nature... that's what they're really playing off of...and the way they do it is very cheap... but it's nicely produced, so opinions will divided even more so.

Also, the girl is Italian(so one of their own to a degree)...would be interesting how the kids react if the girl was non-white and/or ugly...

A lot of people in the comments section are upset because the message is "you shouldn't hit a girl" and not "you shouldn't hit anyone", boy or girl.... as if this was a superior message...

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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Feminism - Page 16 EmptyWed Jan 07, 2015 1:17 am

sai molte canzoni insolita italiana, pb... sei italiano?
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I'm not Italian, I just meant that the sound of Italian can be enamoring, especially when it complements these "innocent" scenarios... But someone that speaks Italian would be used to it.

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Maybe, in time, we'll get over our disgust for pee and shit and display our pee and shit stains openly and proudly.

And let's support France, in her time of pain, by not putting on deodorant for a week.

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Women, then Negroes, then homosexuals, and now transexuals....the new oppressed type.

Normalization of a sexual malfunction, produced by inherited disposition nurtured by environmental factors, has a new group to raise from obscurity (take out of the closet) and make normal.
In time men dressing like women and women like men, covering the nasty parts to pretend to be anything they want to be, will be part of the dress-up, make-up of modern duplicity.
Who shall call the other out, in public, without risking being called out himself?
Liars, and hypocrites, have their own Golden Rule, code of conduct.

Which genetic mutation will come next?


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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

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Say whose son thou art,
Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened,
And struck thy sword to my heart."


2. "The Noble Hart | my name, and I go
A motherless man abroad;
Father I had not, | as others have,
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He's not anti-feminist, he's not sexist and not racist.

Therefore, it's all a big joke.
Something to laugh about.
He's "messing" with feminist, exposing them, and, in the meantime, exposing himself.

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And the beat goes on. This article was a gem.

The masculine feminized "juxtaposition" in the "Like a Girl" ad, portraying the convergence of sexual identity between the sexes, leveling it into a visual sublimation. The last one, classically shaming a female's desire for standards of her physical beauty, exacerbating her biological ambivalence, thus contributing further to the poisonous self-hatred feminism is based on.

All in all, the message of "individuality" which is the key meme that retains that acceptable neutral stance to include all, and stifle any objections or critical thinking. The "Just be" message, with no reason.

Six Empowering Beauty Campaigns That Prove Beauty Isn’t Just Skin Deep
Noël DuanFebruary 10, 2015

For decades, beauty ads were more about capitalizing on women’s insecurities than making them feel good about themselves. The idea seemed to be that if consumers didn’t feel pretty enough they would buy more to makeup to achieve whatever they thought was lacking. With increasing dialogue on gender inequality around the world and a feminist movement that even celebrities talk about, companies are finally realizing that women deserve more.

Dove was a pioneer pairing ads and empowerment. Their Campaign for Real Beauty, which launched in 2004, ditched models in favor of real women—with a range of happy, confident women with very real body types. It was unlike anything we had seen before. The campaign was named the #1 Ad for the 21st century by Ad Age. Today, top brands have realized that empowering ads that show women as strong, unique, and powerful are the way to really connect with women. In the past year, beauty companies, like Pantene and CoverGirl, have created pro-female ad campaigns. Some of them are even sparking dialogue about the status quo. Below, here are the videos that prove that beauty on the outside just isn’t cutting it anymore:




Ellen DeGeneres, Janelle Monáe, Queen Latifah, Katy Perry, Pink, and other inspiring women speak up about the put-downs they endured as girls. These powerful women prove that, in fact, #GirlsCan do anything.



This campaign cleverly compares and contrasts the way that men and women are perceived for the same roles. While a man is a boss, a woman is bossy. While a man is persuasive, a woman is pushy. While a man is neat, a woman is vain. The campaign urges women to not let labels hold them back.



Show me what it means to run like a girl. Show me what it means to fight like a girl. The director Lauren Greenfield asks people to act out what those phrases mean. For many, running like a girl involves flailing your arms and worrying about your hair, and fighting like a girl means pantomiming a catfight. The director then asks young girls to act out the same motions—and we see that they associate the phrase with being strong and powerful. It’s proof that something happens during puberty to affect girls’ self-esteem. The ad, which played during the Super Bowl, is a step towards changing perceptions about what it means to be #LikeAGirl.



“If someone says you’re smart, say yes—and. If someone says you’re pretty, say yes—and.” This social media campaign urges girls and young women to defy labels and celebrate their complexities. Girls aren’t one-dimensional, they can be pretty and smart, and strong and sensitive.



Dove invited mothers to sit in front of a Google Hangout and describe themselves to Gil Zamora, a FBI trained forensic artist. He could hear the women but couldn’t see them from where he was sitting. Dove then invited the daughters to describe their mothers to the artist while he drew. The two pictures are then shown side-by-side to the mothers and daughters. Said one mom, “It’s nice to know that someone thinks you’re that beautiful.”



Young girls talk about how they don’t like their naturally curly hair and wish they had straight hair because it’s “prettier.” Dove asked friends and families of the girls to help out and celebrate curls by wearing their hair naturally—because what you’re born with isn’t something to be ashamed of.
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Of course we can't forget the "Viagra" ads which are now being marketed by women actors. Promoting the message that a man, or even a blue pill, is no longer in control of his sexual impulse. The primitive obsession of a man lowering himself to the sexual urge of a feminine standard. Imagine the new generation of men in their 50's or 60's occupying themselves with their sexual prowess, like little adolescent nitwit boys.

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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Feminism - Page 16 EmptyWed Feb 11, 2015 10:35 am

About the Dove commercials -
That reality is only in your head is already a given.
Now it's just about choosing to be pretty and awesome by telling yourself just that.

About x-pal -
Although club MGTOW is talking about the 'evils' of women x-pal won't give up an inch on his romanticized view of them which he has been taught from the cradle onwards. It's not just about that narrative - He's innately not suited for a less cozy outlook on life.
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It is a biological normal tendency that women select men upon resources.
In the old days it were the old ways which ruled; thus the men with the resources were the men whom were the most skilled, the most intelligent and creative and the most physically - although correlated with the mind, will power; mind over body - fit.

Today we live in a inverted system with unnatural ''morality''.
From biological specializations derived a normative system, a caste society - thus ''morality'' in relationship with biology (genes, behaviour patterns, average gender and racial differences etc.,) - thus it is not due to a ''collapse of morality'' that we live in a so called ''immoral world'', but because of Modern sheltering of any natural consequences for denying the self-evident and Nature an sich.
Thus artificial ''norms'' propagated through the media and educational filtering system to implant, through repeating patterns, ideas on what is to be regarded ''good'' and what as ''evil'', not anymore ''good and evil'' as within biological context, but as it is today sheltered from consequences as death, punishment through biological resistance and exile.
Such patterns are also the fundament of democracy and the directed ''free will'' of the masses.

If the normative system is inverted (man becomes woman, woman man, reality becomes a delusion and Paradise / Utopia reality - always in the near future, as they proclaim), than the hierarchy is inverted as well. A artificial hierarchy were not the men as described above are on top, but the men who subject themselves to the system and through subjecting themselves they earn State given diplomas (status) to be placed on top of the economic ladder, thus are given access to the State (alpha-male) shared resources, which a actual Rebel (he who would be on top of Natural hierarchy) is denied access.

As Satyr described - Instead of genetic selection in correlation with ideals in touch with reality and health and biology; we have memetic selection as to direct women to choose men upon being a ''pious Christian'' or a ''good citizen''. The so called ''bad boys'' merely mimic carelessness, a trait of 'being in control'; but they are not - they are just as ridiculous as those on top of the economic ladder; just in another degree, just as dependent upon the State as all the other Manchildren and Manimals.
Women are the filter of a society, of the ideals; only access for the men who live up to certain ideals, and if these ideals are unnatural, then she will, even though after settling with a fat-bellied infantile Manchild; feel attraction towards that healthy, rebelious in a way, muscular, tall man with lesser edumucation degrees.

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Say whose son thou art,
Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened,
And struck thy sword to my heart."


2. "The Noble Hart | my name, and I go
A motherless man abroad;
Father I had not, | as others have,
And lonely ever I live."
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