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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:12 am


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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Mon Nov 02, 2015 9:30 pm

The noble man will prefer to have a more "masculine" female as his mate, in times of austerity and danger.
Someone who can swing a blade and slice a throat.

It is in times of abundance, and safety, when women, like pets, are owned as accessories and trophies, expected to do no more than look pretty, and offer pleasure.
When every choice means something, and every act has the gravitas of life and death, what a real man wants is a slut in bed and a killer in the field.
Only then will her submission, to him, and her loyalty, mean something.

He can ignore a scar or two, when a prissy little, high-maintenance, cunt will not do.

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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:12 am

If masculinity and femininity are attracted to each other then it would make sense that the more masculine a man is the more feminine he wants his woman to be.

The more masculine a man is the less masculinity he is willing to tolerate in others.
Masculinity means producing and imposing one's own order, and a masculine male tolerates no order that is alien to his own unless forced by necessity of being a member of a social group.
Also, the more feminine a woman is the more she needs and is attracted to the order of masculinity.

I think that a masculine man choosing a masculine female is a compromise one is forced into by the environment that demands a masculine attitude, never what a man truly wants the same way that females choosing effeminate men is more due to indoctrination and social norms teaching them to prefer effete men. But because the natural, genetic inclinations are more powerful than memetic ones the men still pick feminine females, and the females still friendzone the 'nice guys' and pick the more masculine men if the circumstances don't restrict their choices.

The reason feminine females are more attractive is that, from my experience, they tend to be good mothers - they are the kind that goes 'awwww' when they see a cute pet or a baby, they have that innate instinct to preserve and nurture cute helpless little things. It's attractive to men because it increases the chances that their offspring will survive and grow up with all the motherly care and nurturing a child needs in its early ages. Also that they tend to be more receptive of the male's authority so the male can focus on other, more important things than incessantly arguing about who is the man of the house and having a cock measuring contest with the female.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:59 am

I think that females with feminine traits are more desirable sexually, but the intelligent male will choose a mate who has quite a few masculine traits as well. Someone who can mother, but can also balance a checkbook, pitch in on the chores, do what is needed in the time of crisis and possesses especially keen traits of reasonability and logical thinking. Such women are generally above average in intelligence as well, have a steady and strong father figure and are still feminine.  She accepts the male authority out of respect, and will do what is needed when he is called away to pursue his own goals while still keeping the fires warm and his children fed at home, whatever it takes. Caring and nurturing does not stop at children, and taking care of your body and taking care of his sexual needs are also important to a healthy and productive relationship.  She does not need to be King or fight with him because she can see the logic of the situation and is not drama filled or have unrealistic expectations.

Too much femininity leads to vanity and narcissism to the extreme, and such females often display issues with realism, proper boundries, escapism and a drive to live vicariously through their children instead of allowing their children to reach their potentials by exploring their own greatest talents by instinct. These overly feminine mothers are the ones who smother with their nurturing to the point of snuffing out the fires of their children and their mate, often driving mates to other women and their children to depression and feelings of failure. Often the men who find themselves in these situations will over-compensate and find females who are more masculine leaning and successful.

A proper balance of both traits is much more favorable to a successful marriage and successful children who are just as balanced as their parents.


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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:02 pm

In nature, the female is an extension of genetic privilege.

Females are exponentially much more valuable than males, and so, nature inherently favors the female life over that of the male. This leads to the notion of male expendability. Males do not have inherent worth, but instead, must actively work, compete, and take risks to become valuable over the course of a lifetime. Once a male "Equals" or exceeds the inherent value of a female, then, "all of a sudden", he becomes very sexually attractive to the lower value of a female whom he surpassed.

This applies not only to humanity, but to all life forms and organisms.

Females have higher survival rates in nature, thus representing more Protection. Males fight themselves, and other species, in order to protect "their own" (specie of) females.


The human "feminist" movement is mistaken. It claims that "males are privileged", but this is an inverse, absolutely false premise. Instead feminism seeks to continue to improve and boost the inherent privileges of females. For example, "Never hit a woman!" Humans instinctively reinforce this principle, and civilization extends it further, granting females more and more social power, fluidity, "freedom", under the name of "liberalism".
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:04 pm

Arditezza wrote:
I think that females with feminine traits are more desirable sexually, but the intelligent male will choose a mate who has quite a few masculine traits as well. Someone who can mother, but can also balance a checkbook, pitch in on the chores, do what is needed in the time of crisis and possesses especially keen traits of reasonability and logical thinking. Such women are generally above average in intelligence as well, have a steady and strong father figure and are still feminine.

Men don't need a female with keen traits of reasonability and logical thinking, what men need is a female that will compliment them and cover for their weaknesses, not unnecessarily amplify their strengths. And besides, if a man was looking for THAT in a female, he could easily spend his entire life just looking.
I know females who have superior intelligence than me and yet I am superior when it comes to certain subjects and topics (philosophy, logic related usually), but I know NONE, NONE in real life that are capable of suspending their emotional barriers and reason objectively. There may be some on internet. You and Lyssa are probably such rare cases. phoney sort of comes close, as do 1-2 other women in my philosophy class. Arcturus Descending is the exact opposite of reason and logic.

Arditezza wrote:
Too much femininity leads to vanity and narcissism to the extreme

I don't see femininity and vanity as necessary to a feminine extreme. That's something I'd call corrupt femininity.

Femininity extremized is subjective/emotionalized thinking, kindness, gentleness, a high degree of acceptance and tolerance for things and an almost childish naivety.

Masculinity extremized is therefore purely objective/rational thinking, indifference to others, aggressiveness, discrimination (differentiation) and awareness.

I think that the balance that is needed is not one in the individual himself, where the individual is equally masculine and feminine, but the balance between the partners so the more feminine the female is the more masculine the male should be.
A perfect balance of femininity and masculinity in a single individual would result in asexuality IMO, as the person wouldn't feel that either the feminine or the masculine is lacking so he/she wouldn't feel attracted to either.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:29 pm

I am by no means saying that a woman should have an equal amount of feminine and masculine traits, nor man have equal parts masculine and feminine but in just the right amounts that they compliment each other and find balance as a couple. It provides better standing for the family dynamic as a whole, because there is less conflict.

But a true feminine is all raw emotion to manipulate and protect/nurture, and a true masculine is nearly pure logic and reasoning. Show me a relationship where that will work and not be complete chaos and conflict. A intelligent, logical male would be smothered and annoyed by never being able to reach a general bit of logic within his mate. Likewise, a woman who needed so much attention and an outlet for her emotion and nurturing would be incensed by his lack of response and compassion.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:31 pm

Weininger's formula of attraction should interest you.

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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:54 pm

It does interest me, actually.  And I have read it.  My favourite bit is;

"The absolute woman has no I"

And I think what he's referring to is the "I" referred to by most idealists like Liebniz and Hume.

You will find that most often when I speak of my husband and I, I refer to myself and himself as We or Us. Not because we are of one mind, or a reflection of each other but because we are a compliment of each others duality between masculine and feminine traits. Not balanced, but complimentary.

When studying German literature and wanted to know more about the culture in which the books were written, it was suggested to me by a philosophy professor to read the book 'Uncivil Unions: The Metaphysics of Marriage in German Idealism and Romanticism' By Adrian Daub to help bridge the gap in understanding and that's where I first encountered Weininger's 'Laws of Sexual Attraction'. Weininger's theory made a lot of logical sense to me when I applied the concepts to my experiences with relationships and viewing other relationships throughout my life.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:29 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:36 pm

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Ha, For some reason I'm reminded of this:

Nietzsche wrote:
Again, it deceiveth about many things in man, that many a shell is poor and pitiable, and too much of a shell. Much concealed goodness
and power is never dreamt of; the choicest dainties find no tasters!
Women know that, the choicest of them: a little fatter a little
leaner- oh, how much fate is in so little!
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:51 am

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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:32 pm

I like how Weineger put it.

Arditezza wrote:
I am by no means saying that a woman should have an equal amount of feminine and masculine traits, nor man have equal parts masculine and feminine but in just the right amounts that they compliment each other and find balance as a couple. It provides better standing for the family dynamic as a whole, because there is less conflict.

Precisely, so why do you think pure masculinity and pure femininity wouldn't match each other?

If it is about complimentation, then

Male: 70% masculine 30% feminine
compliments
Female: 30% masculine 70% feminine

Male: 100% masculine 0% feminine
compliments
Female: 0% masculine 100% feminine

I don't think it's possibly to be 100% masculine or feminine, but theoretically that's how it would work.

Arditezza wrote:
A intelligent, logical male would be smothered and annoyed by never being able to reach a general bit of logic within his mate. Likewise, a woman who needed so much attention and an outlet for her emotion and nurturing would be incensed by his lack of response and compassion.

I'm not smothered by not being able to reach logic within a woman. Logic is something I am interested in reaching in myself, and perhaps some, few, other men.
Not any woman, ever. Like I said, a man that needs a woman for logic is only exposing his own weakness and lack.
And a feminine woman that lacks logic would submit to the masculine man when it comes to logical matters anyway.

Need for attention for the sake of attention itself is again what I consider corrupt femininity. Kind of like a woman-beating husband corrupts masculinity.
Corrupt femininity and masculinity take some characteristically masculine/feminine attribute and corrupt it.

Example of corrupt femininity: needing a masculine ordering and provider and being assured that she is taken care of so that she can fulfill her role is distinctly feminine, some females will corrupt it and have the need for attention itself become the goal, when it is, naturally, a means for another goal (her children surviving). This is also where narcissism comes from.
Corrupt masculinity: The man who beats his wife takes the masculine attribute of dominating physically and corrupts it - a real man is an asshole to the world, but nice to his wife, a male that is emasculated in the real world by his boss, peers, etc. and cannot dominate anything outside of his home, will redirect this need to dominate and extremize it, discharging his pent up frustrations and anger by beating his wife and/or children.

You can notice of course that corrupt femininity and masculinity are naturally unfit.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:01 am

I would argue that there is no such thing as a 100% masculine man, without corruption.

He would automatically inherit some feminine traits by proxy from his mother. This is why males NEED their fathers in their lives, to save the balance.

A man raised by all women would be like a pendulum, always swinging and at war with himself.  We have several examples of that in this forum.  You know who they are.

But a man raise with little or no contact with his mother, would have a very hard time adjusting to society, or understanding humanity and would have many other issues getting by in this world. They would be the Hannibal's, the sociopaths, unable to find compassion and giving in to their male instincts only. To conquer and dominate, with no regard to the impact or feelings of those he has taken from. He will have a reality that is all his own.

Likewise, I would argue that there is also no such thing as a 100% feminine woman without corruption.

They would be the ultimate martyrs, sacrificing everything to please males and their children. They would be overtly sexualized and be so caring that it would be an issue of laying down their own lives to give in to other demands. It would be their instinct to do so. They die to please others, and you are right in thinking that near 100% feminine females would search out the 100% masculine male who would take all that she had, but would throw her away when he saw any sign of her being worn out and he would move on to his next female to conquer. That would be his instinct.

Those women are often considered to have "Daddy issues" for a lack of a strong male in their lives. They breed with wild abandon, are often the victims of domestic abuse, or find themselves working as prostitute or stripper. They have too much compassion, and that kills them and wears them out as humans twice as fast.

A woman who is raise by strong males, however will inherit some masculine traits by proxy. She will learn to use logic and reason, she will be more grounded and more in touch with reality. She will be a better mother to sons, because she will know when to let go and let him make his own way, and will allow the father to be a major part of his life so that he was a well adjusted man who can survive well in this world.


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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:04 am

Arditezza wrote:
I would argue that there is no such thing as a 100% masculine man, without corruption.

No absolutes.
Degrees, relationships...activity.
How one relates to other.

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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:42 am

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I want a government so small I won't be having any consequences for fighting State propagated symptoms..
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:55 am

I would be interested in reading more on how the modern system has an impact on women's mental health, regarding schizophrenia and the like, the holding of men in contempt for, perhaps, not matching the level of the system itself..
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:34 pm

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I would be interested in reading more on how the modern system has an impact on women's mental health, regarding schizophrenia and the like, the holding of men in contempt for, perhaps, not matching the level of the system itself..

I think that the world goes easier on women when it comes to mental health. They are considered the more emotional and unstable gender, and women in general have an easier time asking for help because of that. I believe that schizophrenia is more prominent in males than it is in females and is most likely the result of a chemical imbalance, they onset usually beginning at puberty or shortly thereafter. Psychosis before that time is most often the result of severe neglect, abandonment, abuse or has some other cause in both males and females, but men are still told to hide it for the most part. That asking for help is a sign of weakness, and when women ask it's a sign of grasping their own power and strength in asking for help. It's certainly not right for it to be so categorically unfair to men, but even modern society has not overwritten it.

The difference from the past however, is that often women were placed in asylums even at the slightest sign of mental break and would often be subjected to all sorts of crazy treatments. Most men who were put in asylums were there because of crimes they had perpetrated on others, where women could be put there as easily as a word from a parent or spouse. The modern system has empowered women to take control of their own decisions and fate, so it's quite a bit better for women. For men, nothing has really changed because there is a odd stigma for men to receive mental health treatment.

I think that some women do hold men responsible for some of their issues, but I'm old fashioned and feel that consulting my husband or my father is in my best interest because I trust their guidance. It has served me well so far, but some women cannot and will not allow a man to help them. There is a fear that modern society has introduced through victim culture that men seek to oppress any and all females and should not be trusted. Women will prefer female social workers and doctors, and choose places that focus on women's mental health. There is nothing like that for men, and not the same bias because men, even unstable men, have the ability to be rational and logical and see right through the bullshit. But again, it's still hard for men in most areas to ask for help.

Of course, I am only speaking of what I know about American culture. When I lived in Germany, I knew several men who took retreat to a mental health spa to reduce stress and find stability because they recognized a deviation in their mind. They were not ashamed, and the government allowed for both the time off and the money for treatment. I don't know much about other places in Europe but Germany of all places seemed to be progressing towards equality in all ways faster than other places for better or worse.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:07 pm

I'm pro-feminist because feminism is Jewish!

You've got to love your mother.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:06 am

^

Capacity for violence is a power.
To remove it from the table gives space for other powers to grow.
Like the power of lie and deceit among others.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:19 am

Anfang wrote:
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Capacity for violence is a power.
To remove it from the table gives space for other powers to grow.
Like the power of lie and deceit among others.

Thanks, well said.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:57 pm



''I do not find this empowering at all because the photo's were taken by a male photographer; and all the bodies are flawless, I mean, why am I not represented?''

Because you are an ugly old shaggy hag and regardless of you being young, you would still be an ugly cunt representing ugly manifestations and no-body likes your ugly fucking bodily and mindly representation because it repulses which means people do not want to be confronted by it and actually would agree with censorship because ugly motherfuckers like you should be censored out of life - that is how the human psyche works, repulsive shit awakens a mechanism to censor our perception by turning away our heads and making uncensored facial expressions as to say ''You are what I express you to be'', like smelling shit with an repulsed face, shit, this is what you are.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:33 pm

Old women need respected.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:00 pm

Just because? Just like the ugly need to be respected and kept in in a ''sheet of dignity'' to not hurt ''muh feeeeeelingz'' and give them the illusion of equal chances to reproduce with the healthy? Just because, suck muh dick, just because I say so; respect degenerates because just because, because maybe there is a motive behind it such as ''I might be in such a position one day myself'' and thus secure their insecurities, their cowardice and degenracy, fuck the old; or they want to open up their chances themselves to be accepted as the suppressed degenerate scum they are like the massess standing up for the love of faggots and live and let live attitude towards the pedophiles.

A motive behind all; fuck your JB's.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:27 pm

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to not hurt ''muh feeeeeelingz''

I am an intelligent woman, so when you talk to me, try to come up with something a little bit more intelligent or at least better put together and respectfully thought out, and thus, intelligent, than a misspelled, hasty attack on a legitimate emotion (no less) that sounds like it came from a zitty faced 13 year old gamer (nice avatar btw)

The rest of your response was not greatly impressive.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:04 pm

Try to refute at first what I wrote then, you mornic piece of shit - just because?
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:08 pm

As soon as you use spellcheck, I'll take you seriously.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:12 pm

Nevermind, I looked it up. You used a slang term, called 'mornic'.

Did you learn that in game-chat? That's cute.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:32 pm

Ah, trying to secure one's inferior positions by attacking the grammar of another rather than to confront the substance; very classic, it is the common moron's tactic to feeeeeelz securez.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:36 pm

And on your video game comments; self-projecting much? The avatar, for clarification, is a NS soldier at the Eastern Front and anybody knowing just a bit about me knows I cannot afford my time to be wasted on games sucking out the need of development.

Tell me, what is your intent on the forum here, what are your standpoints, your world-view.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:41 pm

Apparently to talk to ugly, spastic, illiterate gaming nerds like you.

I call you spastic because your hyper, overinflated kid writing could only be brought on by a disastrous room full of scattered redbulls.


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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:50 pm

Ah, and of course self-projecting that everybody who writes English correctly to an certain degree is a native speaker with English as a first language; and still ignoring the substance as the moronic idiot you are by focusing upon minor grammar mistakes, what an cowardly moron you are who cannot refute what I wrote.

And of course, illiteracy is an absolute negative for you; you are an very well-literate, edumucated good school-boy; a typical systemetic mind who cannot think outside the current cultural box related to ideals and geographical location, a typical American mind.

You literate Americans are very well examples for us non-Americans to become alike the type you are; very well read in magazines and reading the news and sci-fi Utopian crap.

Ah, apperently the moron know more about me now, not only a nerd, a gamer, but also ugly and spastic; what's next, a homosexual, no, fat, first, then a homosexual.

Moron, I know your kind.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:58 pm

OhFortunae wrote:
edumucated good school-boy

School girl.

What a creep.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:06 pm

cherry-picking a few sentences to try to adjust the focus, still with the motive to ignore the actual substance - a genetic dead-end in regards to being a moron with the typical American(ized) mind-set.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:13 pm

He's more like a pet cat zipping around the house with LSD eyeballs ( his only balls)...

Spaz the cat?

Spazzy the Spaz-tastic. Neutered and still a mess.

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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:22 pm

Oh, an American house pet.

But exotic breeds are fun.
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PostSubject: Re: Feminism Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:24 pm

How Original and on-line, very substantial too.

Just another type of the same kind exposed for what s/he is, a coward not repsonding to substance and trying to hide behind simple tactics used by the common (American) morons in order to adjust the focus.
And this moron, to link it to the substance s/he ignores, will most probably grow old or has hope intending to do that - now, a moron, just like any lower-dog, will never change. A young moron aging into a older moron with the same infantile mind regardless of physical age is and remains a cancerous idiot. Hence my aversion for the ''respect the elderly JUST BECAUSE'' mind-set.

I will have as much respect for this cancerous sperm-stain age 20+/- as I will when s/he will be 90.
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