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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:21 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:17 pm

'Tis true.

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:50 pm

I am reminded of a priest in his pulpit, declaiming against sinners. A modern sermon, offering redemption from the evils of the world, in other words: inequality, selfishness, capitalism and the corporation.

Socialism has replaced the grace of god.
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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:16 pm

Amen brotha!!

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:34 pm

Excellent choice...on the fence.

Titter-tottering between insanity and genius.

I, myself, and still undecided about evolution theory and how the world is round, and shit.
I mean...why don't we fall off?!!!
Duh!!!

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Crying or Very sad

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:58 pm

Yes, and socioeconomic systems are not byproducts of being human...I see.
They are divine....mystical....magical!

For instance men...males...invented gender. They woke up one day with an epiphany...and voila!!!
And then they invented greed and materialism and nihilism.

And by invented I mean that they pulled it out of their arse...and not that they constructed it from what they knew and what was natural to them.

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:07 pm

Who said that?!!!! Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:24 pm

Will no one rape me in the ChatBox?
I put on my sexiest outfit and lathered myself up.

I need to me taught a lesson. I've been a naughty, naughty boy.

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:35 pm

I recently got this socialist door-to-door guy who gave me a leaflet claiming that "capitalism had failed".
Capitalism has a natural boom and bust cycle. It's like natural selection - when an economy can no longer sustain itself as a result of bad choices (like banks giving out loans they knew couldn't be repaid) it collapses. At present it is not being allowed to fail through the system of bailouts initiated by the state intervention of socialism.

At most we have crony capitalism. In some countries.
Capitalism hasn't failed. It's succeeded. The weak links have broken and are falling down everywhere. The error lies in trying to hold the whole edifice together despite that.
As soon as Greece, Ireland, etc get kicked out of the EU the better for Europe in general...

Other than that... Is the corporation the curbing influence upon the absolute control over society that government would otherwise have? Socialists represent the state while capitalists represent private enterprise. Individual versus collective. The tyranny of an individual or that of a committee.

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:51 pm

Capitalism also has another issue:
It has inheritance.

Someone can be the retarded son of a rich man and he gets all the goodies.

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:33 pm

Would you suggest that we should all start as a blank slate, economically? If genes are an indicator of quality, then wouldn't the inheritance of the effect of these genes (resources) go alongside the inheritance of the genes?

I mean, if some retard inherited a fortune and squandered it, his descendents are back at square one.
To me it seems that if the retard was actively prevented from the consequences of squandering his inheritance by the state... (like with these bailouts) ...that this is not capitalism but socialism.

Isn't the attempt to remove property and inheritance another tool in the process of leveling, to make the world as "fair" as possible to the individual.... dependent as he is on the state to enforce this "fairness"?

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:34 pm

apaosha wrote:
Would you suggest that we should all start as a blank slate, economically?
I don't think in terms of grand revolutions and changing the world.
For me it's a matter of analyzing my environment, knowing who I am and what I want and finding my place in it.

For me capitalism is a backdrop; my forest, my savannah.
I choose how and when and where I participate, as much as this is possible for me. I make compromises, but not on all things.
I play the game but I don't buy into it.

If I have a goal it is first to preserve the values I consider superior, to preserve my own kind within this world and to spread my principles to as many others as I can....or to find others who share them.

apaosha wrote:
If genes are an indicator of quality, then wouldn't the inheritance of the effect of these genes (resources) go alongside the inheritance of the genes?
Two problems with this:
1- Genes mix, and so after every birth a dilution occurs.
2- Environment is part of nurturing genes to their full potential and so the children of successful genes will be raised within the benefits of this success, never nurturing them to their fullest limit: decadence.

apaosha wrote:
I mean, if some retard inherited a fortune and squandered it, his descendents are back at square one.
To me it seems that if the retard was actively prevented from the consequences of squandering his inheritance by the state... (like with these bailouts) ...that this is not capitalism but socialism.
Yes, I agree, but here you are judging by using the standards of the capitalistic socioeconomic paradigm.
For me a mind who wants to be wealthy or sacrifices and risks it all to accomplish this goal and reach this capitalistic ideal then he is a simpleton.
For me having money is not an end but a means to an end. The end is freedom.
Controlling others or hedonism mean little to me is it goes through wealth.

apaosha wrote:
Isn't the attempt to remove property and inheritance another tool in the process of leveling, to make the world as "fair" as possible to the individual.... dependent as he is on the state to enforce this "fairness"?
I believe property is the center of a bloodline's destiny, in accordance to pagan spiritualism. The problem with the Jews was that they were landless, up until after the second world war.
I'm not advocating a no-property nomadic existence but a system within which the owner is held accountable for the entire system, as in Timocracy and where ownership would be the only way to enter into the system's power centers, or to vote.
But I am also for a restriction to the amount of ownership should be allowed, as too much power in the hands of one man unbalances the system.

Plus I believe that ownership should be judged in relation to what is produced in material goods, in other words owning stocks or owning a restaurant or art would amount to jack-shit.

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