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PostSubject: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:21 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:17 pm

'Tis true.

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:50 pm

I am reminded of a priest in his pulpit, declaiming against sinners. A modern sermon, offering redemption from the evils of the world, in other words: inequality, selfishness, capitalism and the corporation.

Socialism has replaced the grace of god.
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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:16 pm

Amen brotha!!

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:33 pm

I am neither for, nor against anything this man says, I don't care.
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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:34 pm

Excellent choice...on the fence.

Titter-tottering between insanity and genius.

I, myself, and still undecided about evolution theory and how the world is round, and shit.
I mean...why don't we fall off?!!!
Duh!!!

*me so lonely in the ChatBox....
Crying or Very sad

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:54 pm

None of this has anything to do with capitalism, it has to do with being human.
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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:56 pm

Human is not a poltical or economic system, it can't be changed like a car or like your clothes.
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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:58 pm

No I agree it is happening, in the main, retard, I just don't care
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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:58 pm

Yes, and socioeconomic systems are not byproducts of being human...I see.
They are divine....mystical....magical!

For instance men...males...invented gender. They woke up one day with an epiphany...and voila!!!
And then they invented greed and materialism and nihilism.

And by invented I mean that they pulled it out of their arse...and not that they constructed it from what they knew and what was natural to them.

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:05 pm

retard, I hope you realise you are agreeing with me, or are you having a conversation with yourself again?
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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:07 pm

Who said that?!!!! Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:24 pm

Will no one rape me in the ChatBox?
I put on my sexiest outfit and lathered myself up.

I need to me taught a lesson. I've been a naughty, naughty boy.

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:35 pm

I recently got this socialist door-to-door guy who gave me a leaflet claiming that "capitalism had failed".
Capitalism has a natural boom and bust cycle. It's like natural selection - when an economy can no longer sustain itself as a result of bad choices (like banks giving out loans they knew couldn't be repaid) it collapses. At present it is not being allowed to fail through the system of bailouts initiated by the state intervention of socialism.

At most we have crony capitalism. In some countries.
Capitalism hasn't failed. It's succeeded. The weak links have broken and are falling down everywhere. The error lies in trying to hold the whole edifice together despite that.
As soon as Greece, Ireland, etc get kicked out of the EU the better for Europe in general...

Other than that... Is the corporation the curbing influence upon the absolute control over society that government would otherwise have? Socialists represent the state while capitalists represent private enterprise. Individual versus collective. The tyranny of an individual or that of a committee.

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:51 pm

Capitalism also has another issue:
It has inheritance.

Someone can be the retarded son of a rich man and he gets all the goodies.

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:33 pm

Would you suggest that we should all start as a blank slate, economically? If genes are an indicator of quality, then wouldn't the inheritance of the effect of these genes (resources) go alongside the inheritance of the genes?

I mean, if some retard inherited a fortune and squandered it, his descendents are back at square one.
To me it seems that if the retard was actively prevented from the consequences of squandering his inheritance by the state... (like with these bailouts) ...that this is not capitalism but socialism.

Isn't the attempt to remove property and inheritance another tool in the process of leveling, to make the world as "fair" as possible to the individual.... dependent as he is on the state to enforce this "fairness"?

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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:31 am

There is no capitalism, and there never was. A rose by any other name, likewise a turd. There are only humans, sometimes collaborating, more often than not, competing in anyway they can, from begging and sympthy, to lying, cheating and swindling, to outright theft, rape and murder, people compete in ways they feel are beneficial to them, in ways they think they'll have a chance of being successful at, and then they decry others for competing in ways and in degrees they are not prepared to compete at. People only play by rules when they believe it is in their advantage to do so. Often people can be tricked into playing games, like capitalism, when it is not to their advantage to do so. The wise break the rules when they can, the fool believes the rules are absolute, objective, divine and transcendent. So I am not a capitalist, nor a socialist, I don't play their game, a game written by and for other men, I make my own rules, rules suitable to me, and I break yours.
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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:06 am

watch out we got a bad ass over here
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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:16 am

apaosha wrote:
I am reminded of a priest in his pulpit, declaiming against sinners. A modern sermon, offering redemption from the evils of the world, in other words: inequality, selfishness, capitalism and the corporation.

Socialism has replaced the grace of god.

He is a good orator, yes. What redemption does he offer? I do not see any. Chris Hedges seems really interesting, he denies any belief in human moral progress. So by that I wouldn't believe he offers any redemption.
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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:19 am

apaosha wrote:
I recently got this socialist door-to-door guy who gave me a leaflet claiming that "capitalism had failed".
Capitalism has a natural boom and bust cycle. It's like natural selection - when an economy can no longer sustain itself as a result of bad choices (like banks giving out loans they knew couldn't be repaid) it collapses. At present it is not being allowed to fail through the system of bailouts initiated by the state intervention of socialism.

No it's not. Because capitalism doesn't have any unit of selection like genes. And capitalism isn't a sort of "natural state of affairs" like natural selections is. It is a system created by man and it is held in place by institutions.
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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:23 pm

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Capitalism also has another issue:
It has inheritance.

Someone can be the retarded son of a rich man and he gets all the goodies.

Face it, they're rarely retarded. They get better education, stronger, more competitive parents, and additional tutoring and rigorous training. But we're talking the true rich, not your basic millionaires...
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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:31 pm

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I mean, if some retard inherited a fortune and squandered it, his descendents are back at square one.
To me it seems that if the retard was actively prevented from the consequences of squandering his inheritance by the state... (like with these bailouts) ...that this is not capitalism but socialism.

That's if you buy into their jargon of really needing a 'bailout'. It worked as a perfect front, since they claim that it was fundamentally crucial to America's economy that they allowed these bills to pass. Oh oops, it's all our fault...you can blame us and paint us black....it feels nice, doesn't it? You poor, wretched little weasels.

The money doesn't exist anyway. It simply adds to the general public's prominent delusions.
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PostSubject: Re: Chris Hedges' Empire of Illusion Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:34 pm

apaosha wrote:
Would you suggest that we should all start as a blank slate, economically?
I don't think in terms of grand revolutions and changing the world.
For me it's a matter of analyzing my environment, knowing who I am and what I want and finding my place in it.

For me capitalism is a backdrop; my forest, my savannah.
I choose how and when and where I participate, as much as this is possible for me. I make compromises, but not on all things.
I play the game but I don't buy into it.

If I have a goal it is first to preserve the values I consider superior, to preserve my own kind within this world and to spread my principles to as many others as I can....or to find others who share them.

apaosha wrote:
If genes are an indicator of quality, then wouldn't the inheritance of the effect of these genes (resources) go alongside the inheritance of the genes?
Two problems with this:
1- Genes mix, and so after every birth a dilution occurs.
2- Environment is part of nurturing genes to their full potential and so the children of successful genes will be raised within the benefits of this success, never nurturing them to their fullest limit: decadence.

apaosha wrote:
I mean, if some retard inherited a fortune and squandered it, his descendents are back at square one.
To me it seems that if the retard was actively prevented from the consequences of squandering his inheritance by the state... (like with these bailouts) ...that this is not capitalism but socialism.
Yes, I agree, but here you are judging by using the standards of the capitalistic socioeconomic paradigm.
For me a mind who wants to be wealthy or sacrifices and risks it all to accomplish this goal and reach this capitalistic ideal then he is a simpleton.
For me having money is not an end but a means to an end. The end is freedom.
Controlling others or hedonism mean little to me is it goes through wealth.

apaosha wrote:
Isn't the attempt to remove property and inheritance another tool in the process of leveling, to make the world as "fair" as possible to the individual.... dependent as he is on the state to enforce this "fairness"?
I believe property is the center of a bloodline's destiny, in accordance to pagan spiritualism. The problem with the Jews was that they were landless, up until after the second world war.
I'm not advocating a no-property nomadic existence but a system within which the owner is held accountable for the entire system, as in Timocracy and where ownership would be the only way to enter into the system's power centers, or to vote.
But I am also for a restriction to the amount of ownership should be allowed, as too much power in the hands of one man unbalances the system.

Plus I believe that ownership should be judged in relation to what is produced in material goods, in other words owning stocks or owning a restaurant or art would amount to jack-shit.

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