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PostSubject: Egalitarianism Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:19 pm

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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:22 pm

Secular Humanism has it's ideal humanity, like any religion. Instead of being a sinner, you're mentally ill.

The imperfection of the spirit has become the imperfection of the body. Salvation has become treatment.
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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:42 pm

Consciousness is about discrimination.
To be aware is to distinguish in the turmoil of existence patterns of activity that set it apart form other patterns of activity.

For example, using the wine analogy again, when a sensitive pallet picks up on the subtle differences between one wine and the other he is becoming aware of a slight divergence in the wine's production and he is discriminating using this information.

Therefore to teach non-discrimination is, in essence, to teach unconsciousness.

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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:24 pm

your use of discrimination is too general to condone mistreatment of others.

everyone has varying likes/dislikes as well as differences.

'discrimination' in this case is understood that it is not necessary to mistreat others or dehumanize others just because they may not be your equal in every way. there will always be those who are more intelligent, make more money, more talented or talented in different ways etc.

that's where the discrimination against others based on sex, age, race etc is considered negative in a democracy. egalitarianism is based on understanding that even though people may be at different stages in life, different paths as well as different abilities, that all deserve basic humanity and rights as well as opportunities to better themselves.

this may not be your values but that is what egalitarianism means, not that everyone is literally equal, which means you as well as just about every conservative here is a fuking moron to not understand it. it's because you don't want to since you and your gang want to oppress and hate on others different from yourselves or those you don't think are worthy such as calling blacks niggers or asians chinks etc.

i think you are disgusting lowlife fuks yourselves, even if you are part of the white race.
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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:27 pm

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]even though people may be at different stages in life, different paths as well as different abilities, that all deserve basic humanity and rights as well as opportunities to better themselves.
You pathetic little liberal fuck.

I can't get enough of this euphemistic liberal bulshit. Really, I laughed when I read, "even though people may be at different stages in life". Just how much more of a self-deceptive little feel good simpleton can one be? That shit is right off the back cover of some self-help book.

People are not at "different stages in life". SOME ARE MORE EVOLVED THAN OTHERS. Neither is there some evolutionary, linear trajectory which we are all on, like some fucking train track, just some futher back than others. Evolution happens in parallel, in a hugely complex, unpredictable system. Some are simply no longer evolving... they have reached a genetic dead end, the evidence is in their nature. They exhibit the physical and psychological traits of an extinct phenotype. The only reason they still exist is because of genetic isolation, unlike some phenotypes such as the Neanderthal that were wiped out in inter-species conflict.

The same is happening today with niggers. One way or another they are being exterminated. Interbreeding, skin lightening, self-destruction, disease, famine, social chaos, civil war, pressures of the free market. They cannot compete... they are controlled. Their identity fabricated by the simulacrum. Mindless cattle. Grist for the mill.

The irony is that it is the very white liberals that your grotesque moon-head worships that are unconsciously carrying this forward. Every cry for black emancipation or integration or edumacation is simultaneously a call for their annihilation. The simulacrum will never cease in its quest to eradicate all that is base and raw in nature.

Now take your feel good Disney Land bullshit and fuck off back to North Korea where you belong.
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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:23 pm

This is the old bullshit the man-child, a.k.a. Purple-People-Eater dragon, once used against me.
In this scenario stupidity is a matter of age, making the older ones the most intelligent and aware, even if in reality this is contradicted.
It also alludes to circumstances being a factor for dimness and mental limitations.
If pushed to its "logical" end this implies that intelligence, awareness, consciousness, is really uniformly distributed and comes about accidentally, since genetics are excluded as a factor and all is basically luck or bad situations or youth.
It also has the added benefit, which is the natural antidote to fear and despair, of offering hope. Therefore, no matter how stupid you are, or have proven to be, or are continuously exposed as being, there is always tomorrow, as some far-off paradisaical point of reference where an older, wiser, brilliant you awaits.

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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:49 pm

Wow hey homies.

Way to miss cran's point.

discrimination != prejudice

Seemed pretty straightforward to me.

But then, I have a brains moran.
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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:15 pm

By the way, moron...discrimination=awareness.

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dis·crim·i·na·tion

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1.an act or instance of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
2.treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.

3.the power of making fine distinctions; [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] judgment: She chose the colors with great discrimination.

4.Archaic . something that serves to differentiate.

I've underlined the relevant parts to help you along, sweetie.

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prej·u·dice

   [prej-uh-dis] [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] noun, verb, -diced, -dic·ing.
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1.an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
2.any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.

3.unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], regarding a racial, religious, or national group.

4.such attitudes considered collectively: The war against prejudice is never-ending.

5.damage or injury; detriment: a law that operated to the prejudice of the majority.

verb (used with object)
6.to affect with a prejudice, either favorable or unfavorable: His honesty and sincerity prejudiced us in his favor.

notice, sweetie, how only 3@ of the definition of "discriminate" corresponds to the "prejudice" you bleeding hearts are opposed to.
To discriminate is to be aware of a difference and to use this awareness to judge.

When I discriminate between you and a gorilla, I am using a very refined sense of awareness to find that infinitesimally small divergence between you and an ape.
No matter how small it might be i can still perceive it using my senses.

Of course to discriminate does not necessarily mean to be violent or to cause harm or to hate...no more than to be empathic automatically means one is sympathetic.
I can be empathic and get into the mind of a serial killer or a nigger or a pig without ever becoming sympathetic to it. In fact one can say that empathy can also result in a deeper antipathy.

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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:35 pm

Ah, dictionaries. The ultimate etymologic authority.
I'm glad things can sometimes be so simple.
I guess it helps that I am talking to simple people.

Ahh, uhh, ah. Ok.

Can you tell based on your dictionary that one entry implies a process of analysis, while the other is one that objains the judgement without analysis?

Should I... um... underline it for you?

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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:47 pm

I'm doing fine, sweets. How are you?
Have you given birth yet or are you still gestating greatness?

Indeed I have perceived the difference and so I offer it to one who placed both in one neat package.
Here's another thing about prejudice, which you obviously know...it is based on experiences...either one's own or adopted from an other.

So, I have two cats, and one has scratched me more than once in the past...I approach one with prejudice, without it having done anything to me. In this case my present behavior is based on previous experience.
This experience need not be consciously analyzed or evaluated, but only felt.

For instance the seemingly "irrational" fear of darkness is really an adaptation which is based on the experience, passed on via genes, that the world is not benevolent but a dangerous place. so the organism fears the unknown because it assumes that it is wiser to err on the side of caution.

The liberal nitwit will also call this "baggage" in that derogatory tone of hers.
For the liberal a man is reborn with every breath and no preexisting assumptions can be tolerated, for man is reinventing himself continuously out of nothingness.
You see "fearlessness" based on the dismissing of experience and awareness, and founded on the delusion that "all will turn out alright in the end" is what leaves the individual open to any manipulation and imposition of will.

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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:48 pm

apaosha> Secular Humanism has it's ideal humanity, like any religion. Instead of being a sinner, you're mentally ill.

Indeed. Just last month, a UN! group issued a Ban on Dante!:
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@Jester, Have read his book, never seen the vid., thanks;

"The color of your skin is your uniform in this ultimate battle for the survival of the West."

And Pierce of course,

"What is really precious to the average American is not his freedom or his honor or the future of his race, but his pay check. He complained when the System began busing his kids to Black schools 20 years ago, but he was allowed to keep his station wagon and his fiberglass speedboat, so he didn't fight... He complained when they took away his guns five years ago, but he still had his color TV and his backyard barbecue, so he didn't fight... And he complains today when the Blacks rape his women at will and the System makes him show an identity pass to buy groceries or pick up his laundry, but he still has a full belly most of the time, so he won't fight... He hasn't an idea in his head that wasn't put there by his TV set... That, unfortunately, is our average White American...
As long as the government is able to keep the economy somehow gasping and wheezing along, the people can be conditioned to accept any outrage." [The Turner Diaries]


@cran, everyone has varying likes/dislikes as well as differences.
egalitarianism is based on understanding that even though people may be at different stages in life, different paths as well as different abilities, that all deserve basic humanity and rights as well as opportunities to better themselves.
...this may not be your values but that is what egalitarianism means, not that everyone is literally equal, which means you as well as just about every conservative here is a fuking moron to not understand it. it's because you don't want to since you and your gang want to oppress and hate on others different from yourselves or those you don't think are worthy such as calling Whites lowlife fuks etc.

i think you are disgusting lowlife niggers and chinks yourselves, even if you are part of the black or asian race.

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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:13 pm

Oh bore.

Bore bore bore.

How many times have we discussed this?

In the whole realm of possible subjects, why do we keep coming back to this...

Why the fixation?
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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:46 pm

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Oh bore.

Bore bore bore.

How many times have we discussed this?

In the whole realm of possible subjects, why do we keep coming back to this...

Why the fixation?
Sweetie, it's because it's the dominant myth...and myths need to be exposed and analyzed.

I know a delicate, post-modern, mind like yours has certain things already figured out but for us mere mortal thinkers they have not. we are confronted daily with the bullshit your kind delivers as "self-evident".

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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:05 pm

I have nothing figured out. Absolutely nothing. I am adrift.
I quite like it.
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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:19 pm

Another way to "cure" racism is to shame and to blind.
When you are made to feel embarrassed for seeing differences and concluding that it actually means something or when you are made blind so you see nothing but shades then no need for laws....you've got a dumb, deaf, and blind eunuch on your hands. Let him run in the harem and sleep quietly.

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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:00 pm

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“Jews in Europe have always experienced anti-Semitism,” heard participants at a conference in Brussels on ‘European Integration and its impact on anti-Semitism’, only days after anti-Semitic attacks on rabbis occurred in Berlin and Vienna.

European Jewish Union CEO Tomer Orni, the organizer of the conference together with the European Jewish Parliament and Tzedek, the Association of European Jewish Lawyers, opened the discussion on Tuesday by insisting “anti-Semitism is part of Europe’s DNA”. “It is rooted in Europe and there were always different sources of motivations for anti-Semitism.”


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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Wed May 21, 2014 12:41 pm

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For Radio 4, Dr Mark Lythgoe investigates the science of memory erasing.

In a Hollywood movie it's a simple choice. You take the blue pill and wipe away all those unpleasant memories that are hard to deal with. Or you take the red pill and bear their burden, possibly forever. This is not Hollywood -but soon that choice could well be yours.
Captivated by the media headlines over the past few years claiming scientists can now 'erase bad memories', neuroscientist Dr Mark Lythgoe travels to New York to examine the latest research in memory modification.


Looking at work done in animals and humans Mark discovers how close scientists are to wholesale erasure of specific memories.


'We had that animal very well trained and then we erased that memory by injecting Zip in the motor region of the cortex, the memory was gone and the relearning process was not any quicker- it still took a week of slow learning to build that skill so that's why we think it really is a true erasure': Dr Todd Sacktor.


Near the site of Ground Zero he meets some of the people who have been victims of trauma to find out whether they would trade their distressing memories for memory erasure, and he talks to a victim of a violent armed robbery who believes memory manipulation has cured him of his Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.


Unravelling the ethical dilemmas involved in these technologies Mark asks what happens when we open this Pandora's box and people use memory modification to erase feelings of something bad they have done or something bad that has been done to them; eliminating memories like you would eliminate a headache, with a pill.


'I think the chances that eventually we will have a drug that will be able to reduce the emotional component of traumatic memories, I think there's a good chance that's going to happen sooner or later' Dr Roger Pitman.


In Erased Memories and Spotless Minds, Mark discovers just how close we are to the mythical memory pill and questions whether society is ready for such life-changing technology.


Producer: Gemma Newby
An All Out production for BBC Radio 4. 


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PostSubject: Academic and Professional Egalitarian Propaganda Thu May 21, 2015 10:31 pm

A thread for examples of new or recent modern, liberal and egalitarian propaganda specifically within academic and professional circles.

Chimps are equal to humans, 5/20/2015:
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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Mon May 25, 2015 10:50 pm

liberal professor encouraging white male suicide:
 

Edit: I didn't believe the one above in the spoiler so read further, it is apparently a hoax. My bad.

Then this:

Car ad depicting middle aged white male attempting suicide and failing because of the car emitting only water vapor.
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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:58 pm

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A study from the Netherlands suggests that oxytocin might only make you love people in your in-group, and can contribute to conflict with outsiders

The oxytocin hormone is often described as the “love hormone” or “cuddling chemical,” but there might be a darker side to it. Not only does it make you feel all loved-up and happy, but also contribute to intolerance and violence, a 2011 study suggests.

In the study, professor of psychology at the University of Amsterdam Carsten de Dreu found that the loved-up feeling you get when flooded with oxytocin — which is also released by the popular party drug Molly, also known as Ecstasy or MDMA — only extends to your “in-group.”

Oxytocin, he wrote, “motivates in-group favoritism” and “derogation” of outsiders. According to the study, oxytocin had “a role in the emergence of intergroup conflict and violence.”

According to a Vice report published this week, the study’s participants — all Dutch males — were told that they had to choose five persons out of six that would gain access to a life-saving lifeboat.

The men on oxytocin were more likely to deny men with Muslim or German-sounding names access and save the men with Dutch names, while the men who were given a placebo didn’t pay attention to the origin of the names.
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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:11 am

She is a trained preacher playing upon our feeelz with a suspicious nose.
"What is more important, saving human lives and changing culture, or preserving culture..?" Last time I checked this change of OUR cultures, is the massacre of our continuation.
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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:25 pm

The egalitarian confuses the future, the popular, the trendy with the present (with the past, nature). They foresee a society where all genetics are meaningless - they see this movement toward an egalitarian society and declare anything against such a movement as something which is 'anti-reality' or false. Anecdotes will suffice for this judgment, and the fact that we deal with individuals and not groups justifies their treating each person as an individual with judgment. No doubt to them, every person must be treated as an individual, so group generalizations and accusations are inaccurate/inferior to individual judgments and those same group generalizations should be suspended and not acted upon until every individual may be properly judged. Those, then, seeking the uplifting of one group of person(s) over another become guilty of association with superficial quality (at least in their judgment). One cannot hold a symbol or characteristic to represent a person without first individually judging them.

If, for example, a person were part of a club named "Kitra" with its own emblem - and that club had a thousand or so members - each one individually chosen by another of the same group (invite only) - then if you were to judge someone favorably because they hold onto the emblem (though you never met them and know nothing of them but that membership) then it would be unjust to prefer them over a nonmember; that is, unless there was some quantified and scientifically proven, beyond all (((reasonable))) doubt, then you cannot make that choice of preference with any justification. This means that you are prejudiced and thus discriminating; it is an offense against human dignity, especially if that judgment affected you such that you gave more credence to the member than the non-member than was meritocratic. That is, you expressed a preference for one of your arbitrary group over another.

What multiculturalism does is declare all cultures within this same framework. They say that one cultural practice cannot be superior or inferior to another - culture is arbitrary, which is why they may coexist together. One only needs to get rid of one's seriousness with which they support their own culture (which is in itself arbitrary) and replace it with disregard. This is modernity, where no one practice is superior to another. Preferring one from your own culture over another is an arbitrary and horrible distinction which is 'boring' or otherwise 'destructive' or even 'discriminatory/hateful'.
The same logic is used by racial egalitarians. They see 'race' as being the same sort of arbitrary category as culture, where one needs to judge based on individual merits and disregard their prejudices of the individual because they belong to a certain group. This is how a modern is capable of such double think as the following:

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Slaughtz: If feminism is about 'human equality' then why does the extreme end of 'feminism' have female superiority attached to it? Why do you not see 'radical feminists' who are about male superiority?
chillstop80: You do
chillstop80: They're men
chillstop80: And don't call themselves feminist
Slaughtz: so
Slaughtz: white pride = black pride?
chillstop80: Yep

chillstop80: Until you get the extremists
Slaughtz: but then they're not true feminist/white priders, right?
chillstop80: And then you'll just find the exact same people and thoughts,  but to extremes that only benefit their faction
chillstop80: And that depends on what the organization claims as their own
chillstop80: It's kind of like saying the user was communist
chillstop80: It sure as fuck wasn't true communism
chillstop80: Ussr was communist *
chillstop80: It was a bastardization of communism that benefitted the bourgeoisie
chillstop80: And the proletariat still got fucked
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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:46 pm

The reality is that in-group preference is real and that the so-called egalitarian gets the benefits from being part of his in-group. High social trust in an in-group grants an advantage to those who are particularly critical about their in-group because it exploits the desire of those invested in the in-group to make things right, to make it up to those members who are critical about the in-group.

So someone who signals about their white privilege is not really reducing their 'white privilege'. It is a way of increasing ones status in a high social trust community.
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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:23 pm

Nietzsche wrote:
"The terrible consequence of "equality" - finally, everyone believes he has a right to every problem. All order of rank has vanished." [WTP, 860]

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Campaign begins to counter 'all white' Christmas

Woman hopes to increase number of images of black and ethnic minority families enjoying Christmas after noticing white families predominated

A new campaign that aims to counter images of an “all white” Christmas is to be launched today to increase the number of black and ethnic minority families portrayed enjoying the festive period.

A series of images of black and ethnic minority families doing things such as wrapping Christmas presents or decorating a tree will be made available on social media platforms under the hashtag #ChristmasSoWhite in a bid to increase the diversity of holiday images.

Nadya Powell, an advertising consultant, was inspired to start the project when looking for images for a school website project on favourite things at Christmas. She was searcheing for snowball fights to reflect the choice of her six-year-old daughter’s friend, Esme. “I looked at white family upon white family and then looked at Esme, who is black,” said Powell. “I asked her to choose a picture, and she chose the backs of the family’s heads.

“She was not seeing anything that looked like her and I realised she never did. This beautiful little girl is growing up in a world where on a daily basis she doesn’t see people like her in any media, where a perfect Christmas is a white Christmas.”

The campaign has been financed so far by eight large media and marketing groups including Google, MediaCom, Saatchi & Saatchi and (((Edelman))). In an email Karen Blackett, chief executive of MediaCom, said: “This campaign is long overdue and is so needed.”
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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:59 am

Lexical Principle
Rawls wrote:
in a basic structure with n relevant representatives, first maximize the welfare of the worst off representative man; second, for equal welfare of the worst-off representative, maximize the welfare of the second worst-off representative man, and so on until the last case which is, for equal welfare of all the preceding n–1 representatives, maxi-mize the welfare of the best-off representative man. We may think of this as the lexical difference principle.

Rawls wrote:
In this way everyone’s interests are taken into account, for each person is an equal citizen and all have a place in the distribution of income and wealth or in the range of fixed natural characteristics upon which distinctions are based. Some selection of relevant positions is necessary for a coherent theory of social justice and the ones chosen should accord with its first principles. By selecting the so-called starting places one follows out the idea of mitigating the effects of natural accident and social circumstance. No one is to benefit from these contingencies except in ways that redound to the well-being of others.
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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:11 am

Nice link, Slaughtz.

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PostSubject: Re: Egalitarianism Fri May 12, 2017 5:08 am

What an achievement it would be, to make the most decent of a tribe of liars start to use lies to counter lies, in order to defend truth, by forcing them against each other.
What a division it would make, to force these masters of undying hatred battle each other by making the most basic of natural facts an enemy to them. To use their own self interested deception in order to fight deception itself.
And, to those that defend decency with lies, you owe nothing... for they did it for a reason no nobler than their opposing counterparts. They never took on the cost or any responsibility, or else they would not have lied.

Lying to defend truth is not uncommon.
Typically, one is defending ones or another's perception of the world from manipulation.
The purpose is to maintain their health.
The management of another through sympathy because seductive lies turn them further into weaklings and this is known. The taking away of a lollipop from a child. Telling them some bullshit explanation they'll listen to or comprehend, because the truth is too unpalatable. Maybe even classified as hyperbole.

Perhaps lying to a NSDAP officer about some Jewish kin in the attic would constitute something equivalent.
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