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PostSubject: Re: Language Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:54 am

once you've enclosed a mind's understanding within these nihilistic binary codes of 1/0, of some-thing/no-thing, good/evil, right/left...you can manipulate it at will.

You can even propose a solution to the dualsitic dilemma by promoting one pole as the singularity, as the all-encompassing Noumenon, and then give it any name you like.
The absent absolute is now present, because it has been named.
Baptized into existence.

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PostSubject: Re: Language Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:10 pm

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"ἐδιζησάμην ἐμεωυτόν." [Heraclitus]

"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

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PostSubject: Re: Language Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:00 pm

Shlain is a gynocentrist who bemoans the displacement of the goddess culture with patriarchy in his book Alphabet vs. the Goddess. He traces rigid systems of patriarchal society to writing, codifications, and literacy - the left brain,, and liberal systems of the goddess cults to images, pictographs, oral culture - the right brain.

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He, for instance, distinguishes the Spartan and Socratic liberality to them never leaving written records in comparison to Athenian severity and Aristotle's misogyny to written abstractions. Some of it is quack, but it has some interesting parts, esp. when it comes to the Old Testament commandments.

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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

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PostSubject: Re: Language Mon Aug 17, 2015 8:48 am

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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

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PostSubject: Re: Language Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:11 am

Understanding language begins by understanding what it is, before one proceeds to understand what it is attempting to transmit.

Language makes the schizophrenia of Modern man possible, when it is confused as that which it is representing, or alluding to, or when it is taken literally and not figuratively.

With words referring to noumena, which then refer back to other noumena, excluding the phenomenon from the process, the behaviour, the (inter)activity of sex, for example, can be reinvented, and turned into a social construct, or a personal choice, or a matter of taste.
In this case "sex" the noumenon referring to a reproductive function, is detached from this phenomenon, and is reattached to "taste", and/or "choice", which are then left in limbo, as if they men something on their own, and require no explanation.

The concept of "taste" is left hanging, as if it emerges out of nothing, without referring to a biological process, in reference to phenomena.
Free-Will is insinuated, trying to explain why these words are detached from world, are "free" - the culprit is "will", as if this explains it.
But what of will?
What does it refer to, what does it mean?

Attaching the word "will" to the world takes us to the brain, and how it can focus upon an object/objective.
The best definition of will is that agency of mind, that part of brain, which is entrusted with focusing the organism's aggregate energies upon an external object/objective.
Attaching the word "taste" to the world we return to the organism from which this expression of preference emerges.
Taste is the byproduct of organ hierarchies and how they interrelate, resulting in a dominant need directing the will towards specific patterns, also called elements.

In relation to sexual taste we must compare this direction of Will with the function of sex, to determine if the taste is constructive or destructive, or simply irrelevant, with no outcome.  
If sex evolved to replicate genes then homosexual preferences implies a dysfunction, a mutation which is unfit, as it results in no replication of genes.
Then we must understand why the sexual impulse can go astray, can be warped to a degree where it no longer functions as it was intended to, through natural selection.
This will take us back to organ hierarchies, and how hormones can unbalance the organism's internal structures, by either being too much or too little during the crucial years when male/female sexual types are being determined in the womb.  

Language is a tool for representing processes, and/or behaviours.
In a world of increasing chaos (randomness) and fluctuating (inter)activities, worlds being static representations, can refer to a world that is counter-intuitive.
Intuition being ordered, and the world being disordering, and/or fluctuating, in Flux.

Language can allude to reality, approximate it, hint at it, as a painting can allude to movement by using techniques on two dimensional canvas.

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PostSubject: Re: Language Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:23 pm

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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

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PostSubject: Re: Language Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:41 pm

I became aware of the relationship between language and persuasion when listening to Christian church sermons, and realized what music is and why it affects the human psyche.

In language there is a rhythm established by sentence structure, and the notes of words, their reverberations, the parts of the mouth and larynx used to form and express them.
"The Medium is the Message"...
With the concepts what is transferred to the listener is the sonic vibrations, relating to particular parts of the brain and nervous system and organs (mind/body).
Depending no the listeners own organ hierarchy (psychology) and the weaknesses/strengths involved, particular sentence structures, using particular words will have greater effect than others....and in this we must include memes that establish, early on (education, indoctrination) automatic psychosomatic (re)actions to particular words and the sounds that go along with them.
In ancient times philosophy was practised using poetry, and I think this is effective even today.
The talent of the speaker, rhetorician, to combine words into eloquent, flowing, sentences, while delivering cohesive abstractions, adds to his ability to be convincing.


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PostSubject: Language, a key to "everything" Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:48 am

Linguistics is "the scientific study of language and its structure, including the study of morphology, syntax, phonetics, and semantics. " - Google

The one thing that gets in the way time and time again of productive discussions in philosophy is misunderstanding and a lot of that misunderstanding I see due to different levels of understanding different word meanings. Language can be very confusing with words meaning different things when people don't utilize them understanding there are different meanings. So while someone may use a word in a proper sense, they may not necessarily understand that there are different senses of that same word that can have an entirely different meaning, and both be logically correct in the context of the discussion. When that occurs, it is imperative the author differentiate to avoid confusion. On the other hand, there are instances of a word being conveyed that really only has one sense that it must have logically been referred to, otherwise in context the author doesn't make sense. This burden, rests upon the reader in order to understand. While it can be nice for the author to mention the definition, that can get tedious.

This can lead us to a slippery slope of defining (state or describe exactly the nature, scope, or meaning of.) every (used to refer to all the individual members of a set without exception.
used before an amount to indicate something happening at specified intervals. (used for emphasis) all possible; the utmost.)) word ( a single distinct meaningful element of speech or writing, used with others (or sometimes alone) to form a sentence and typically shown with a space on either side when written or printed.) we state.

Philosophy requires in depth thinking and master of language in order to comprehend it due to the nature of philosophy that by nature, attempts to have us arrive to the deepest level of understanding that we can. Those who know the senses of words and have mastered the senses of words will understand that there are rules to play by, rules to communicate effectively and rules to understand information to communicate effectively. I have presented two of those reasons above, I hope the readers take the time to take that to heart so that they do understand. However taking it to heart is not merely enough. Understanding language is a matter of intelligence - in that it can be very difficult if you do not process information quickly. There are over a million words in the English language. Most adults use 20,000 - 35,000 words. Each one of those words typically has multiple senses in of itself. Remember, a word is just a symbol for the larger meaning of it, which definitions only hope to convey the meaning accurately. It can be very difficult to communicate effectively but in Philosophy is extremely important.

Meaning comes from within the conveyors mind, it is a construct of a person's understanding of not only the concept a word is referring to but also the known definitions that people utilize to communicate. As such, there are problems found in both ways of providing meaning, not necessarily understanding the concept and not understanding the definition. Things can make sense in a person's mind but don't to others, usually due to a failure here in these two areas. Aside from that, even if both of these are gotten right, people don't always think logically. As such, this isn't a problem of communication if solely this occurs, but a problem of thinking in ones mind.

Words don't mean things, people do

"Meaning" - as defined by Merriam Webster
1.
what is intended to be, or actually is, expressed or indicated; signification; import:
the three meanings of a word.
2.
the end, purpose, or significance of something:
What is the meaning of life? What is the meaning of this intrusion?
3.
Linguistics.
the nonlinguistic cultural correlate, reference, or denotation of a linguistic form; expression.

Now sense #1 is used colloquially when referring to "the meaning of words" or "what does that word mean?" But when I state, "Words don't mean things, people do" I am referring to sense #3. Now this is somewhat ironic in how meaning of words and meaning of people and language can get very confusing and or muddled; words and communication are dynamic, in that there are many ways words can be used metaphorically, aside from all the different senses of a words. I would contest in certain words, it is nothing short of brilliant in able to utilize these certain words "in every sense of the word" and to mean every sense of the word. By stating "words don't mean things, people do" as in people mean things - I am in a way, can be seen as being ambiguous or dubious in my communication. The receiver of the communication could easily not understand what I am stating - it could be that they don't know about sense #3, which is often the case when I bring this statement up to say, Joe Schmoe. They might response, "words mean things, I can look up the meaning of words in the dictionary!". But that would be Joe Schmoe using sense #1 strictly - in a sense that "meaning" is synonymous with having a definition. I don't like the definition of sense #1 myself, it can create problems for our frame of reference on understanding what meaning I would say, should be. It is more meaningful to utilize meaning in sense #3, I would contend.

There are reasons why that is, a stating "words have definitions" is very straight forward as opposed to "words have meanings". What does it really mean that "words have meanings". It's a rabbit hole in so much as it can mean quite a bit, and quite a bit more than one should be inundated with during communication. There are problems in language, because language is only a means to an end. That mean is conveying symbols (spoken or written) in a manner that hope to express the meaning of the communicator.

"Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening, terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities -- the political, the religious, the educational authorities --- who attempted to comfort us by giving us order, rules, regulations, informing -- forming in our minds -- their view of reality. To think for yourself you must question authority and learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable open-mindedness, chaotic, confused vulnerability to inform yourself." - Leary

This quote ties together in that language, definitions, are constructed through and form a supposed ontology of how the world is, but this is done through other humans, popular usage so to speak. But that doesn't mean it is right even, nor does it mean a words implications are actually real.  I will leave it there to let some minds run wild, hopefully.
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PostSubject: Re: Language Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:57 am

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To disarm Nihilism, and Moderns using words as cushions and magical toys to exploit human stupidity and to comfort themselves, we must return words back to their utility as noumenon connecting to phenomenon.
Then, and only then, can we discern the abstractions of mysticism, attempting to represent the incomprehensible, from words meaning specific actions in world - observable activities.
Confusing language as sometimes literal and sometimes figurative, depending on our desired outcome, is how Moderns build their bullshit uni-verse on emotion, and self-serving, self-flattering lies.

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PostSubject: Re: Language Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:00 am

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To disarm Nihilism, and Moderns using words as cushions and magical toys to exploit human stupidity and to comfort themselves, we must return words back to their utility as noumenon connecting to phenomenon.
Then, and only then, can we discern the abstractions of mysticism, attempting to represent the incomprehensible, from words meaning specific actions in world - observable activities.
Confusing language as sometimes literal and sometimes figurative, depending on our desired outcome, is how Moderns build their bullshit uni-verse on emotion, and self-serving, self-flattering lies.


Moderns? As opposed to?
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PostSubject: Re: Language Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:12 am

Moderns referring to simpletons in all times and places, part of every culture, which exist within the perceptual-event-horizons of what is most current, or popular.
Placing what is most immediate and self-gratifying above patterns perceived across time, or being unable to factor in such patterns.

We can relate this to the "last man".
The most current, up-to-date, basing his evaluations on what is most popular, what is tending, what feels good.

Those exploited by liars and charlatans with no sense of shame and no pride.
All EGO.

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PostSubject: Re: Language Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:35 am

Detaching language from reality, or the symbol/noetic from the apparent/phenomenon, is what permits morons, liars, hypocrites, cowards, imbeciles con-artists to construct any feel-good bait to attract every weakness, every mutation, and exploit its ignorance, its weakness, its neeeeed.

It is similar to how money was unhinged from the gold standard resulting in the con-artistry that resulted in the recent economic collapse in the States.

But this is nothing new.
Christian made it into an institution.
Detachment from reality, experienced by imbeciles and cowards as liberation, salvation, enabled the restructuring of sentences along non-linear directions...in other words contrary to the experienced.
This gave them artistic licence, crazy-creativity, to place love before life, as some magical entity they then defended by calling it God, or consciousness outside the organism.
Words placed in any order in a sentence, altering, in theory, in the mind, how one elates to reality.

The concept of love, for example, referring to a behavior which is part of the cooperative reproductive and survival strategy, was mystified into a magical feeling, some mystical force.
No reasoning required, other than how it makes the target mind feel.

Other charlatans, more recent, like those found on ILP, simply use different words.
Like that self-declared "heir of Nietzsche" who uses the word "value" in exactly the same way, and then claims that he is revolutionizing philosophy. In that case Nietzsche is simply pretext to impress a specific target audience, but Jesus is also used to broaden the product's appeal. Unlike Nietzsche it is the effect, and not the motive which is the center piece, which is the ideal motivating the actor.
I use this example not because it matters, but because I like to use real life, interactive, accessible to all, examples to support my views.
That particular individual has become a joke, even among his own kind, even in a forum that has gathered all sorts of crazies in its protective embrace.
Only there can he hope to have an impact, to gain power through others.

Nietzsche's power over minds, is coveted, and it is assumed that this was his motive: to influence and seduce young males, or old women, to gain notoriety, fame and fortune.
The motive is not exploring and exposing world, but power measured by the quantity of human minds it can manipulate and control.

The word must be "positive" to the one seduced.
This is the oldest con-game in history.
When you sell the absurd that the other wishes were so, common sense, experience logic goes out the door.
Detaching words from world feeds into this method of manipulation.

There's a reason why money and words were detached.
I've offered my own theories.


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PostSubject: Re: Language Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:44 pm

They, under cover of darkness, tear down the tower of Babel, stone by stone, to build their Synagogues, pulverizing them for mortar, and I, beneath the sunlight, return each stone to its place, before it is too late.

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PostSubject: Re: Language Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:08 pm

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The Crisis of Language project is more properly a crisis of language in America; whether it will most likely resolve itself within the same premises of liberal introspection to "smoothen out any friction in communication" is to be seen.


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