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PostSubject: Re: Language Language - Page 4 EmptyThu Jan 30, 2020 8:58 pm

An organism engages reality without necessarily being aware of it.
Language is not essential to thinking, but it is thinking given form.
Babies think before they have learned language, and animals can think without ever having to evolve language.

McGilchrist claims that music precedes the evolution of language - that man vocalized, created sound with specific tones and volume and rhythms, same as birds or some animals vocalize, each vocalization sharing information - i.e., warning, announcing sexual availability, etc.
it would explain why philosophy was first a form of poetry - performed in singing - before it became prose.

Man becomes aware of his interactivity - his sensuality - only when this data accumulates, or reaches a certain level that would require his concious attentions.
Before that he reacts unconsciously - judging and reacting without ever becoming aware.
When this awareness reaches the level of becoming concious - the level where it can become verbal - linguistic - it has already affected the individual.

Appearance is how the concious mind interprets what it has become aware - gradually or suddenly- of what is present. That is man becomes sensually aware of what he may not become consciously aware of, if it does not exceed a certain level demanding his attentions.
Appearance is an interpretation of what is present, or what is pierced as being present.
This means that colour is a way of translating specific energies within a specific context, determined by the sense organ being stimulated.

Being 'red' is but the context of the eye given to a range of vibrations - which is interpreted differently by the ear or by the skin.
'Redness' is but one context of the apparent, which must be combined with all the other sensual contexts to establish a kind.
This is why I reject the term 'white' to refer to individuals of European descent.

Interpretation if what reduces the present - existent - to a sensation - a thought.
The thought is not that which is present, but an interpretation of it, then given a name.
The interpretation of what exists is our creation, but the existent itself is not. It remains forever beyond our ability to fully comprehend - we approach the real without attaining it absolutely.

Facts refer to relationships and how they relate to the perceiver and to each other from the perceptive of the perceiver.

Grammar and syntax evolve from the relationship of a people with the environment they relate to.
This is why I say that language and culture are gene specific.

Language both represents this relationship of 'other' with 'I', but also how 'I' reacts to this 'other'.

The mind mirrors the stimulation, via a medium - such as light - to recreate it in itself as thought.
This is done based on a priori concepts evolved over centuries of trial and error. The organisms' evolved reproductive and survival methods determine which a priori concepts will become innate and to what degree.

For example the niche survival strategy of foraging differs from that of hunting requiring a different interactions of space/time, and a different medium dominating.
A hunter would require a more refined method of interpreting accessibility - distance - and so it would use a light as the fastest medium = using triangulation to intuitively approximate velocity, distance, elevation....and the judgement to predict an approximate point of space time the target will occupy in the future.

The language that would evolve from such minds would reflect this triangulation and approximation.
Sentence structure verb, noun, pronoun etc.

Emphasis of specific words unconsciously exposes the individual's motive, and its deepest anxiety, need.
Language, as I've said, is an expression of the nervous system - the organ where mind/body synthesize, so language reflects this synthesis of the esoteric and the exoteric, to the degree which either dominates in the specific individual.

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PostSubject: Re: Language Language - Page 4 EmptyFri Jan 31, 2020 11:27 am

McGilchrist, Iain wrote:
So language is a hybrid. It evolved from music and in this part of its history represented the urge to communicate; and to the extent that it retains right-hemisphere empathic elements, it still does. Its foundations lie in the body and the world of experience. But referential language, with its huge vocabulary and sophisticated syntax, did not originate in a drive to communicate, and from this point of view, represents something of a hijack. It has done everything it can to repudiate both its bodily origins and its dependency on experience – to become a world unto itself.
[The Master and His Emissary – The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World]
McGilchrist lends his support to the idea that language can be used to detach the mind, from the body – physicality – and gives us an added dimension by positioning this process as a left-hemisphere attempt to dominate and detach from the more physically embodied right-hemisphere.

Nihilism given a hemispheric context in addition to the broader min/body dissonance.

McGilchrist, Iain wrote:
Why do I emphasise this bodily origin of thought and language? Partly because it has been denied in our own age, not by any means only, or even mainly, by de Saussure and his followers. More than that, the fact of its denial seems to me to form part of a general trend, throughout the last hundred years or so, towards the ever greater repudiation of our embodied being, in favour of an abstracted, cerebralised, machine-like version of ourselves that has taken hold on popular thinking – even though there may be more recent trends in philosophy that attempt, with widely varying degrees of success, to point away from such conclusions. As Lakoff and Johnson make clear, the very structure of reason itself comes from the details of our embodiment. The same neural and cognitive mechanisms that allow us to perceive and move around also create our conceptual systems and modes of reason … Reason is evolutionary, in that abstract reason builds on and makes use of forms of perceptual and motor inference present in ‘lower’ animals … Reason is thus not an essence that separates us from other animals; rather, it places us on a continuum with them.
The flight of language from the enchantment of the body during the last hundred years represents, I believe, part of a much broader revolt of the left hemisphere's way of conceiving the world against that of the right hemisphere, the theme of Part II of this book.
[The Master and His Emissary – The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World]
Left-hemisphere dominating the right, locates Nihilism precisely within the nervous system.

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PostSubject: Re: Language Language - Page 4 EmptyFri Jan 31, 2020 11:44 am

McGilchrist adds a context to my positions on nihilism and how it inverts reality, using (corruption) semiotics. As such we can say that this psychological defensive mechanism is characterized by the dominance of nous (mind) over soma (body), within the pneuma (nervous system associated with spirit, i.e., mind/body synthesis) – the psyche. Intentionally disassociating identify from the physical and replacing it by an abstraction (idea/ideal).
We find here the source of monism and the Abrahamic one-god, as word based, lacking corporeality – an idea. Left-Hemisphere has declared itself lord and master.

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Analytics removed itself from hermeneutics, into a superficial method of judgement, stagnate in it, not able to move past it. It regressed from understanding, to denying understanding, as a trifle. The appearance became the sole focus, the focal point for thinking, leading to the post-modern deconstructionism of language. Logic was subverted from a tool, to a construct.
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Excellent find.

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Degenerates can pick and choose which Wittgenstein they prefer.
Wittgenstein, himself, an example of sexual degeneracy.

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My own position on language - if it has not been made perfectly clear, by now - is that language, like experience, must begin with the physical - tangible, observable, falsifiable, i.e., that which is present and is translated into appearance which is then is given a symbol (semiotics).
From the physical one then can proceed to speculate about the metaphysical and the ideological, but only in relation to the physical - i.e., empirical, experienced, perceived, validated and cross-referenced by a multiplicity of concious minds, and testable, what has been validated in practice, application, producing a degree of certainty.

The ground - bottom - is physis (nature), the physical, from which we can delve into the metaphysical and project into the idealistic.
Bottom<>Up.....where "up" does not necessarily indicate a dimensional direction but a movement outward - a towards the imperceptible (metaphysics) and the yet to be or how they ought to be (idealism), but that never loses contact with the "bottom" which is the foundation that grounds the process in the real - in the possible/probable.

Facts, are indeed, arrangements of 'objects (phenomena), i.e., facts refer to relationships not absolute beings.

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PostSubject: Re: Language Language - Page 4 EmptySat Feb 01, 2020 8:55 am

It is this stated "promotion of perspectivism" mentioned in the conversation, which makes Wittgenstein a favoured idol for Desperate Degenerates wishing to escape being perceived as who and what they truly are.
A way of evading judgement, and claim innocence.  

'It's all subjective', does the same, using different lingo.
It implies that there is no correct or incorrect judgement, so judgement is impossible or worthless - why judge at all? it's all inevitable anyway.
If not absolute if not one - i.e., complete, whole, final, immutable, eternal, indivisible - then none; all finds parity in nil, which has the advantage of not requiring justification - it simply negates by finding flaw in other, implying its own omnipotence.
Death of god means death of absolute truth - absolute judgement - parity in ignorance - proletariat of spirit.
All are slaves to a faceless master; all are equally wrong, weak; all are impoverished minions.
For this reason pure nihilism is an advance from positive nihilism that postulates absolutes which convince by remaining positive, attempting to seduce scepticism to allow obscurity to cover up its self-serving presumptions.
Like how low light is preferred during erotic intercourse because all physical imperfections are hidden in its shadowy twilight, allowing the mind to immerse itself in the romantic idealism of the moment. The other acquires a mystical air.  
A memory of pure perfection is created, to be held by the individual for a lifetime. Like a sacred talisman of contrived absolute beauty, returned to when the worlds vulgarity and ugliness becomes unbearable.

Pure nihilism abandons this adolescent practice of creating the idea of the perfect through self-deceit, adopting the all-levelling practice of dismissing the very idea of perfection as illusory and a product of the subjective mind, implying that the mind knows all is imperfect but wills itself to believe that its own preferences are perfect - a cynical wink at itself, as it knows it is self-deceiving and cares not, because all are self-deceiving.
A universal joke only they can fully appreciate, and through this convert shame into pride, and weakness into a kind of implied strength.
Self-Deception accepting deception as a universal truth.

To put it in Abrahamic contexts, the positive nihilist reinvents the one-god, whereas the pure nihilist dismissing the idea and embraces the devil - the trickster, the idea of absolute negation of the one-god.

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McGilchrist, Iain wrote:
Language has done its best to obscure its parentage. It has increasingly abstracted itself from its origins in the body and in the experiential world. It developed its current form to enable us to refer to whatever is not present in experience: language helped its re-presentation. This had the effect of expanding its usefulness to communication and thinking for some purposes, but reducing it for others.
In the process important aspects of language, the denotative elements that enable precision of reference and planning, have taken up residence in the left hemisphere, while other aspects of language, broadly its connotative and emotive functions, have remained in the right hemisphere. And the understanding of language at the highest level, once the bits have been put together, the making sense of an utterance in its context, taking into account whatever else is going on, including the tone, irony, sense of humour, use of metaphor, and so on, belongs once again with the right hemisphere.
The way these aspects of language have sorted is, as we have seen, not random, but in keeping with the overall nature of each hemisphere. Metaphor is the crucial aspect of language whereby it retains its connectedness to the world, and by which the ‘parts’ of the world which language appears to identify retain their connectedness one to another. Literal language, by contrast, is the means whereby the mind loosens its contact with reality and becomes a self-consistent system of tokens. But, more than this, there is an important shape here which we will keep encountering: something that arises out of the world of the right hemisphere, is processed at the middle level by the left hemisphere and returns finally to the right hemisphere at the highest level.

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Franz Kafka wrote:
Language can be used only very obliquely of things outside the physical world, not even metaphorically, since all it knows to do--according to the nature of the physical world--is to treat of ownership and its relations
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Because our use of a term such as ‘being’ makes us feel that we understand what being is, it hides the sense of radical astonishment we would have if we could truly understand it, and subverts our attempts to do so. I am reminded of Cantor's perception that treating infinity as just another kind of number stopped us understanding its nature and hence the nature of the world. But just as that did not mean that we should abandon mathematics, Heidegger's insight does not mean that we should abandon language. It just means that we have to be constantly vigilant to undermine language's attempt to undermine our understanding.

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And that does not go just for works of art. Things are not whatever we care to make them. There is a something that exists apart from our own minds, and our attempt to apprehend whatever it is needs to be true to, faithful to, that whatever-it-is-that-exists and at the same time true to ourselves in making that apprehension. No single truth does not mean no truth.
To speak of truth sounds too grand, too filled with the promise of certainty, and we are rightly suspicious of it. But truth will not go away that easily. The statement that ‘there is no such thing as truth’ is itself a truth statement, and implies that it is truer than its opposite, the statement that ‘truth exists’. If we had no concept of truth, we could not state anything at all, and it would even be pointless to act. There would be no purpose, for example, in seeking the advice of doctors, since there would be no point in having their opinion, and no basis for their view that one treatment was better than another. None of us actually lives as though there were no truth. Our problem is more with the notion of a single, unchanging truth.
The word ‘true’ suggests a relationship between things: being true to someone or something, truth as loyalty, or something that fits, as two surfaces may be said to be ‘true’. It is related to ‘trust’, and is fundamentally a matter of what one believes to be the case. The Latin word verum (true) is cognate with a Sanskrit word meaning to choose or believe: the option one chooses, the situation in which one places one's trust. Such a situation is not an absolute – it tells us not only about the chosen thing, but also about the chooser. It cannot be certain: it involves an act of faith, and it involves being faithful to one's intuitions.

For Heidegger, Being (Sein) is hidden, and things as they truly are (das Seiende) can be ‘unconcealed’ only by a certain disposition of patient attention towards the world – emphatically not by annexing it, exploiting it or ransacking it for congenial meanings, in a spirit of ‘anything goes’.
Heidegger related truth to the Greek concept of aletheia, literally ‘unconcealing’. In this concept a number of facets of truth are themselves unconcealed. In the first place it suggests something that preexists our attempts to ‘dis-cover’ it.48 Then it is an entity defined by a negative – by what it is not; and in opposition to something else (unconcealing). It is come at by a process, a coming into being of something; and that process is also, importantly, part of the truth. It is an act, a journey, not a thing. It has degrees. It is found by removing things, rather than by putting things together. This idea of truth as-unconcealing contrasts with the idea of truth-as-correctness, which is static, unchanging. Truth as unconcealing is a progress towards something – the something is in sight, but never fully seen; whereas truth as correctness is given as a thing in itself, that can in principle be fully known.
For Heidegger, truth was such an unconcealing, but it was also a concealing, since opening one horizon inevitably involves the closing of others. There is no single privileged viewpoint from which every aspect can be seen. It may be true that, to quote Patricia Churchland, ‘it is reasonable to identify the blueness of an object with its disposition to scatter … electromagnetic waves preferentially at about 0.46μm’ [emphasis in the original].50 That is, I suppose, a sort of truth about the colour blue. That is one way in which blue discloses itself. Most of us would think it left rather a lot out. There are also other very important truths about the colour blue that we experience, for example, when we see a canvas by Ingres, or by Yves Klein, or view the sky, or sea, which are closed off by this. It is, in this sense, like the duck–rabbit: we can have only one ‘take’ on it at a time.
We see things by seeing them as something. In this sense too we create the world by attending to it in a particular way.

Reality is, therefore, a product of a relationship between observer and observed - between the present and what is perceiving it, awakening to it's presence - appearance.

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The parasite-meme attacks the host through the mind, the source of self-consciousness; it does so through language and undermining the mind's connection - relationship - with reality, with the world it emerges within.
When nihilists declare the 'end' of things they are declaring a limit to linguistic utility. An end produced by detaching words from their role as mediators between subjective and objective, converting them to self-referential loops that create a cognitive loop - A Gordian Knot, as I once called it.
They undermine language and then use their own meaningless and self-referential - solipsistic- creations as arguments.

This detachment I've analyzed in the context of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - represented by the metaphorical artifice of Zombies - similar to actual parasites these memes produce the same results.
The infected host begins acting strangely, and in self-destructive ways - it seems detached from reality, driven by an internal motive - a goal the host itself is unaware of.

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Messianism is a perfect representation of this form of infestation.
The "saviour" presents himself as someone motivated by a concern for other - an altruistic goal only a fool would turn down - see how gift giving or generosity is a masked form of dominance and asserting superiority.
a Messiahs hides his self-pity as a projected pity for the world which he sacrifices self to save, or towards which he offers a gift that will save it.
The Messiah may even be convinced of his own altruistic motives or his integrity in offering something valuable to those who need it.
In effect he is seeking to save himself by pretending to save other, or to empower self by pretending to be empowering other, or to be enlightening others when it is self that he seeks to en-lighten.

A victim pretends to seek protection from those it wishes to victimize, just as a rich man imposes his wealth upon the beggar he offers a small token of his wealth - a 'liberator' comes to place the 'liberated' under his own yoke - read the Bible.

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