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PostSubject: This is Europa Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:05 pm






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PostSubject: Re: This is Europa Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:13 pm

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PostSubject: Re: This is Europa Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:19 pm

This YouTuber has been making some superb videos on Europa. Artful and emotional. Superb propaganda (but of course he's preaching to the choir in my case).

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PostSubject: Re: This is Europa Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:43 am

Someone should invite him here.

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PostSubject: Re: This is Europa Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:41 am

Cold Weasel wrote:
This YouTuber has been making some superb videos on Europa. Artful and emotional. Superb propaganda (but of course he's preaching to the choir in my case).

This isn't propaganda. Spengler applied a scientific method to project the past into the future, by comparing different civilizations of the past, who all went through the same stages of development and decline, as you can look up in his monumtental book: "The Decline of the West" (original: Der Untergang des Abendlandes) in the first 100 pages or so and the charts in the book, with the present one of the West (The Abendland).

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1800-2000: The reign of money ("Democracy"). [...]

2000-2200 The development of Caesarism. Victory of the politics of violence over money. Increasing primitive character of the political forms. Inner decay of the Nations into a formless population. The unification of them in an Empire (Imperium) of gradually again primitive-despotic character.

2200-2400 Maturing of a final form: Private- and Familypolitics of single lords. The world as prey[...]


So you see: no abrupt sudden shift and also the final phase won't be reached for another 200 years. But I already notice some of the changes towards Caesarism.
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PostSubject: Re: This is Europa Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:51 pm

Satyr wrote:
Someone should invite him here.

I volunteer. Very Happy

Laconian wrote:
This isn't propaganda. Spengler applied a scientific method to project the past into the future, by comparing different civilizations of the past, who all went through the same stages of development and decline, as you can look up in his monumtental book: "The Decline of the West" (original: Der Untergang des Abendlandes) in the first 100 pages or so and the charts in the book, with the present one of the West (The Abendland).

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1800-2000: The reign of money ("Democracy"). [...]

2000-2200 The development of Caesarism. Victory of the politics of violence over money. Increasing primitive character of the political forms. Inner decay of the Nations into a formless population. The unification of them in an Empire (Imperium) of gradually again primitive-despotic character.

2200-2400 Maturing of a final form: Private- and Familypolitics of single lords. The world as prey[...]


So you see: no abrupt sudden shift and also the final phase won't be reached for another 200 years. But I already notice some of the changes towards Caesarism.

Laconian, if you insist on having this imaginary dispute with me why don't you continue it in the thread where you first contrived it so I can ignore it there?
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PostSubject: Re: This is Europa Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:47 pm

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I volunteer.

Princess, do you just volunteer or did you actually do it?
Be decisive. You're not in the girls scouts anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: This is Europa Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:59 pm

Good one! Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: This is Europa Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:43 pm

20.4
To a son among sons of Europe...






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PostSubject: Re: This is Europa Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:11 pm

"In the 1920s and ’30s, Robinson Jeffers was one of America’s most esteemed and critically acclaimed poets. However, in 1948, his public and critical reputation entered a steep and irreversible decline upon the publication of The Double Axe and Other Poems (New York: Random House, 1948), which contains a number of poems about the Second World War and its aftermath that were strongly critical of the Allies and clearly sympathetic to the defeated Axis powers. Jeffers’ publisher Random House insisted that ten poems be dropped from the collection and even published a political disclaimer in the front of the book.

“Tragedy Has Obligations” is one of the suppressed poems, and it is easy to see why. Written in June of 1943, it is addressed to Adolf Hitler, who is portrayed as a tragic hero who “meant well and made woe,” and whose mistakes — failing to press his advantage against England, then invading Russia — had set his inevitable fall in motion. Jeffers predicts Hitler’s suicide and recommends that he die with dignity and do his best to take his enemies down with him.

I highly recommend The Double Axe, but be sure to get the edition that includes the suppressed poems. Jeffers is a great poet, regardless of his subject matter, but when he grapples with the greatest tragedy of our time, the full measure of his genius is displayed. These poems, moreover, are not “merely political,” for Jeffers’ politics is part of his larger philosophy of “inhumanism,” i.e., his rejection of anthropocentrism in favor of a life- and cosmos-centered outlook, which provides a foundation for his politics as well as a “deep ecology” — a viewpoint that closely parallels another book written in the bitter aftermath of the Second World War: Savitri Devi’s Impeachment of Man.

June, 1943

If you had thrown a little more boldly in the flood of fortune
You’d have had England; or in the slackening
Less boldly, you’d not have sunk your right hand in Russia: these
Are the two ghosts; they stand by the bed
And make a man tear his flesh. The rest is fatal; each day
A new disaster, and at last Vae Victis,
It means Weh den Gesiegten. This is the essence of tragedy,
To have meant well and made woe, and watch Fate,
All stone, approach.

But tragedy has obligations. A choice
Comes to each man when his days darken:
To be tragic or to be pitiful. You must do nothing pitiful.
Suicide, which no doubt you contemplate,
Is not enough, suicide is for bankrupt shopkeepers.
You should be Samson, blind Samson, crushing
Al his foes, that’s Europe, America, half Asia, in his fall.
But you are not able; and the tale is Hebrew.

I have seen a wing-broken hawk, standing in her own dirt,
Helpless, a caged captive, with cold
Indomitable eyes of disdain, meet death. There was nothing pitiful,
No degradation, but eternal defiance.
Or a sheepfold harrier, a grim, grey wolf, hunted all day,
Wounded, struck down at the turn of twilight,
How grandly he dies. The pack whines in a ring and not closes,
The head lifts, the great fangs grin, the hunters
Admire their victim. That is how you should end — for the prophesied
You would die like a dog — like a wolf, war-loser."

Tragedy has Obligations

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PostSubject: Re: This is Europa Sat Feb 27, 2016 5:09 am



Mike Walker talking about his play The Return of Odysseus a performance he created to reflect modern times. Odysseus's son is shamed by the suitors of his mother - a "cuck" in the country ruled by his own father. Then, Odysseus returns with judgment.

I haven't seen the performance, here is a review of his work. Here is an excerpt from his work that caught the reviewer's eye:

The Return of Odysseus wrote:
There is not one palace which is plundered, but the entire land. Ithaca is growing sick while the tapeworms of the market grow fat on a land for which they never fought, which they never tend and never loved. The homeland has almost as many immigrants as natives. No one respects the Ithacan customs. The children are hardened and use the lowest language of the streets. The public coffers are plundered by parasites and aliens. Money is made by distortion and usury. Honest work is badly paid. The richest men are middlemen and speculators. The labourer is poor. (p. 128)
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