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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:28 pm

The Apollonian? His idea is to kill everybody with a virus so he can 'rule' (I wonder who) together with his babe (Well, that answers who he's gonna rule). The thing is that those immortals are infertile. So it's basically the same as ending all of humanity. Leaving behind something which won't die and always remain within the limitations of what it is. What remains is, who of those two will kill whom first or kill themselves.

Maybe Texhnolyze is something for you.


It's about order and chaos and madness. It's violent.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:50 pm

Yeah, I get what you're saying, characters to stubborn, one dimensional, and unable to evolve. Essence is change, change is survival, stay still and die. The conception of Rome is what intrigued me. The ideal of it will always exist, if not physically, within the transcendent, in his mind. Given the nature of man it may never be achieved, but the immortal resemblance of it persists. These immortals are rather to be taken as personifications of eternal ideals.

Never heard of Texhnolyze, it looks good, I'll check it out, thanks.

I've watched a couple of anime series, to me they are much more entertaining and intelligent than most the American garbage these days. Although the only one I've seen so far that i would call brilliant is Welcome to the NHK.



Semi-autobiographical, I don't think I've seen some one illustrate post-modern nihilism and all of it's side effects better. Whatever is going on in Japan; its very interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:45 pm

I've watched some anime but that's all old stuff.
I've watched Death Note, that one was fun. A student finds the book of a death god (Shinigami) and when he writes down the name of a person, into said book, then that person dies. He wants to make the world a better place and get rid of the scum and writes down the names of criminals and so on... things escalate... a cat and mouse game begins, killing off all those who investigate him. He's very cunning and manipulative. It's like watching him evolve from the self-'righteous' guardian of society into an 'amoral' sinister creature with a god complex, while being under pressure of survival. It's about deceptiveness, feminine tactics and lies - trying to kill off the investigative team and not getting caught in the process. Both, the chief investigator and the student are likeable. Actually they are quite similar with their rational approach, trying to outsmart each other.

That Welcome to the NHK looks funny.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:35 pm

Death Note was great. Although too ridiculous and over-exaggerated at times. It also uses the itself of the cheap cliffhanger episode endings. But most of the American shows use that kind of stuff anyways. Watching it gives you the feel of a megalomaniac, the sensation of seeing him win becomes addicting. I was genuinely excited the last episode, it would of been more satisfying if he would of won. But that wouldn't of been art, which is supposed to imitate life. Now that i think about it Japanese entertainment holds closer to the Ancient Greek. Possibly due to their Shinto Religion.

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Greek tragedy: the tragic hero of the drama, the main protagonist, struggles to make order (in the Apollonian sense) of his unjust and chaotic (Dionysian) fate, though he dies unfulfilled in the end. For the audience of such a drama, Nietzsche claimed, this tragedy allows us to sense an underlying essence, what he called the "Primordial Unity", which revives our Dionysian nature — which is almost indescribably pleasurable.
Most American stuff holds true to the same pattern of revealing a basic situation, then a problem is introduced, and an inevitable resolution. The predictability of the good guy always winning is what makes it so bland. I like the stuff where there's genuine ambiguity and the bad guy wins, even though you would of expected otherwise.

In contrast to the Japanese stuff, there's a universal problem, the protagonist has a striving against it, and meets an epic defeat.

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Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back.
America is to superstitious, it clings onto any sort of death denial. Materialism, fundamentalism, mysticism, heroification, etc. Everything becomes the reverse in search of this unconscious desire. Suicide becomes taboo, because it delegitimizes the sanctity of life, revealing unconscious anxiety and doughs.

In Japan it's a more acceptable act. Sometimes to the extent of glorification. Humans are more like objects to be maneuvered, than souls to be judged. In this they are more intact with nature.



Shinto inspired anime, relates to the topic. Pretty fucking good, all things considered.



This one is almost entirely American in its essence. Although pretty fun if you have ever played an MMO. Really Americas main export is a deadly parasitic culture.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:08 pm

The outcomes of Sheltering...

Black Swan.

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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:16 pm

Metropolis, Directed by Fritz Lang based on the work of Thea von Harbou.  



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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:46 pm

Death of a Salesman, one of Arthur Miller's masterpieces.

Arthur Miller, the Jew.

Arthur Miller the playwright.

Death of a Salesman, the poignant story of the death of hope.  It is only as we get older and life has had it's way with us, that we can appreciate Miller's emotional complexity.  A wonderful writer and a wonderful film

"The Jews are peculiarly and conspicuously the world's intellectual aristocracy".   Mark Twain.

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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:54 pm

Who, but a Jew, would see the horror of Modernity and families living within Judeo-Christian values?

One can be intelligent and a degenerate, all at once.

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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:14 pm

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One can be intelligent and a degenerate, all at once.
That's why those who have both are doubly fortunate.


Jews "degenerate"? Showing evidence of decline? History tells us the Egyptian, the Babylonians both had their moment of splendour, as did the Greeks and the Romans. They all fell. The Jew has seen it all and shows no signs of decadence, no weakening, while all other powers have been extinguished, the Jew still remains, oh and let us not forget Arthur Miller, the Jew's prowess.




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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:13 pm

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One can be intelligent and a degenerate, all at once.
That's why those who have both are doubly fortunate.


Jews "degenerate"?  Showing evidence of decline?   History tells us the Egyptian, the Babylonians both had their moment of splendour, as did the Greeks and the Romans.  They all fell.   The Jew has seen it all and shows no signs of decadence, no weakening, while all other powers have been extinguished, the Jew still remains, oh and let us not forget Arthur Miller, the Jew's prowess.  




The Jewish meme is one that seduces from within.
It sells what it does not adhere to.
It places its ego outside of itself so that it cannot be challenged.
Like all viruses it thrives when a culture declines.


In out time, the decay has placed the virus in a position of power, forcing it into exposing its contradiction
How does the virus that sells weakness as a virtue then deal with power when the body it infects begins to wane?

It changes skin, it adapts, it contradicts itself.
The Jewish paradox ...also called Zionism.

I've gone into the three types of Zionism:
Spiritual, Political, and Cultural.
And when I say Jew, I include the christian and Islamic variants of the same nihilistic meme.

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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:46 pm

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Even Art becomes a source for "extracting information".
Books become a resource for "extracting information". !
In-form-ation. You are either in-form(-ed) or you are out-of-form. Formation means order. In-formation means in order. Instead of: out of order (=chaos). See: my topic "Esotericism 101" in the Lyceum. It is: you are either breathing in or breathing out. Focused or relaxed. The symbols here are the triangle (male) and the circle (female). You as a female are more closer to the circle. The relaxation. But in-form-ation (triangle) is one important factor for me in todays movies. Without information it is mere meditation. And therefor I don't need movies at all, I could look at classic paintings from higher Art Eras than ours (see above list by Oswald Spengler), if I want to feel in a certain mood. Or put on soothing music, light incence and sit on a cushion.

Wrong. The alternation of Inhalation [ham] and Exhalation [sa] is to regularize a Form, a stability, a constant rhythm upon which one can 'rest' [Emptiness] and build, free the mind for focus. Hence the hamsa - the discriminating swan, the apollonian bird, both to the greeks and to the Vedantins. You keep one thing relatively stable and try to build upon it - the same concept as in the movie 'Inception' - the penetration into successive dream-spaces - tearing of the sheaths of consciousness, standing on the basis of a timer. This is what Meditation literally is - to "build layers" to place your foot to ascend, a 'stairway to heaven', if you will.

Breath-contol Meditation is the basis of awakening the Kundalini - sustaining a constancy upon which one makes the energy rise; I like these diagrams:

Prana flowing in Ida or Pingala



Prana flowing in Ida and Pingala



With that stabilized, Prana made to flow in the Sushumna



Kundalini energy awakened



The rest kept constant, Kundalini rising



Kundalini rises to crown chakra





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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:19 pm

Knut Hamsun's 'Hunger'.






Hamsun1

Hamsun2

Hamsun3

Hamsun and Lawrence: Part 1

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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:06 pm

Gratitude for enlightening one to such national treasure.

I loved the movie Pieta. In response I'll give you the only movies that ever actually moved me.

The Elephant Man


Leaving Las Vegas


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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:16 pm

You're welcome Blood.

Naturally I've seen the second; prefer his performance more in 'Vampire's Kiss' - real genius. I'll try to catch the others over the hols. maybe.

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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:35 am



The good ol' days when movies used to have a soul. Amazed in how suspenseful a movie can be if you actually care about the characters. Older movies require so much more from the viewer. Whatever may be lacking in graphics is certainly more than made up for in subtlety and elegance.



Possible one of the most bad ass movies ever. Just pure entertainment as it was meant to be. Although must be seen in Italian.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:31 am

Ben Affleck pales into insignificance when comparing him to his brother Casey.


The Killer inside me, Casey Affleck

Riveting and chilling, a movie I will never forget.

http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi275187481/



and his latest movie, Out of the Furnace.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1206543/

fight scenes similar to The Fight Club


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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:55 pm

Antichrist

A dark film, with some moments of brilliance.

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Antichrist is a 2009 Danish art film written and directed by Lars von Trier, starring Willem Dafoe and Charlotte Gainsbourg.[5][6][7] It follows horror film conventions and tells the story of a couple who, after the death of their child, retreat to a cabin in the woods where the man experiences strange visions and the woman manifests increasingly violent sexual behaviour. The narrative is divided into a prologue, four chapters and an epilogue.

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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:55 am

Saw this a couple of years ago.

Quite disturbing.  What I recall especially is THE TREE, the rest is hazy, probably because I have blocked it out.

That is how it affected me.

Cannot bring myself to re-watch it.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:57 pm

I watched it, then the following night I re watched it. I'll watch it again before the week is out.

It was mesmerizing. Particularly the cinema photography in the forest and the opening scene played out in slow motion to Handel's Rinaldo. Von Trier touched on some taboo subjects and managed to communicate a deep sense of evil in nature (or woman?) without gore or any of the lame tropes used by Hollywood directors. The friction between the rational nature of man and the more emotional, instinct driven woman maintains the tension.

And yes, the tree did seem to have a personality of its own.


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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:37 am

I watched it again.

To analyse this film can be overwhelming as there as so many influences and references it draws upon.  I chose the Christianity and the psychoanalysis aspects.  You may choose differently.

Even the most benign elements in this film become sinister, the woods, the trees and beauty becomes hideousness. The tree is a significant symbol as it is there she asks him to hit her, it is there she physically convinces him to dominate her for being a woman, to punish her for being evil.  i.e. men - good, nature - evil, women - naturally evil.  The sex scenes were not simulated, which also adds to the impact of this film.

Do you recall when she says, "women do not control their own bodies, nature does. There is the implication of men being polluted by women's menstrual blood, perhaps tied in with the depiction of Freud's castration complex, demonstrated when she masturbates him to revive him until he ejaculates blood.

What is interesting is that excessive displays of sexuality in women are viewed as a disease or found to be abhorrent.  Sometimes in grief or stress, men and women both use excessive sex to alleviate what they cannot control.

"You don't have to understand me, just trust me"........... The husband, I thought displayed a patriarchal attitude towards her and it comes out more and more. One could say her descent into insanity was caused by his incessant analysing of her.

The child jumps to his death at the very moment of their sexual climax.  
She, the wife, prioritizes her pleasure over her own child.
This film comes full circle as he, the husband strangles her.

"A crying woman is a scheming woman".  

I have always believed this and that is what this woman is.

It appears on the surface to be simple, but I found this film complex.  What I found to be rather ridiculous is the army of women marching through the forest at the end.

My opinion has not changed, I think this movie is "fucked up", perhaps because I am woman and do not think we are naturally evil.

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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:58 am

I've already said this.

Woman is the personification of nature. She is towards chaos, because entropy is increasing.
Man, the masculine element, is what tries to tame nature, or direct her, use her.
The male is reason, the spiritual element.

With balance the earthly feminine is dominated but not denied, rejected, hated, by the masculine element.
This begins as an internal struggle.
The truly masculine man is the one who has dominated the feminine in himself.

Without balance the feminine runs wild (decadence), or, in the other extreme, the masculine denounces the feminine (nihilism).

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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:14 am

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"You don't have to understand me, just trust me"........... The husband, I thought displayed a patriarchal attitude towards her and it comes out more and more. One could say her descent into insanity was caused by his incessant analysing of her.

I knew that line in the film was coming when she says, "you just can't be happy for me can you?", because it has probably been said countless times to men by women over the ages.

I found the husbands attitude to be rationally level headed, although he did appear to be a one dimensional character, merely responding to events rather than directing them, but perhaps this was partly the result of him playing the role of her liberal, feminized therapist.

If he'd have been more masculine to start with, much of the story would have been different. Instead of tip toeing around her feelings and trying to appease her he should have given her a few slaps at the beginning and told her to pull herself together, then they could have got on and had another child. It's fascinating that she got hit anyway, but only because this time she asked him to do it and he was losing control over the situation. I think that point was brilliant, because liberals complain about violence against women, not realizing much of the time that it's the woman that subconsciously instigates it... secretly desires it?

She destroyed her self in the end. Isn't that the fate of women when they turn inwards?

I also like the suggestion that "Nature is Satan's church" because it ties in with my interest in gnosticism. That she percieved nature as being carefree and good in the first place indicates a certain level of childish niavete, particularly ironic considering she was (subconsciously?) torturing her own child. But don't women cry because they are weak, like children, and children can be cruel and capricious, like women?
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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:38 am

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But don't women cry because they are weak, like children, and children can be cruel and capricious, like women?

No


Perhaps you have seen also Lars von Trier's, Melancholia. It is a sublimely beautiful film that begins with a ten minute sequence to the strains of Wagner's Tristan and Isolde.  Kirsten Dunst was the lead actor and again he used Charlotte Gainsbourg in this film.   His films have a distinct style and from my own perspective, I think this is the best one of the two, Antichrist/Melancholia.

Some may argue, the first ten minutes of this film, are its best.


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I also like the suggestion that "Nature is Satan's church" because it ties in with my interest in gnosticism.


Ah! The Wicker Man, with its pagan influences and now the Antichrist.

Have you written anything about Gnosticism on this Forum. Would like to read it. Perhaps you could direct me to it.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:12 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:41 am

Almost every film of Aki Kaurismaki is a masterpiece and full of pathos and dark humour... no one captured the Nihilism of the communist climate as sincerely as him...


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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:42 am

Voyage to Cythera [Greek]

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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:55 pm

Les Enfants du Paradis



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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:29 pm



This is an old british tv series from 1990. I was reminded of it when I heard about the recent American remake. I think it's relevant here in that the main character, Urquhart, is a sort of Lecter-esque manipulator and people-reader. But in this case I think Urquhart has a different focus and a definite end-goal in society in mind, with which his insights into humanity are tools for his own ambition. Whereas Lecter is more private and reclusive.

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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:15 pm

I agree with both of you. Absolutely brilliant.  

The only person Francis Urquhart, Chief Whip, indeed, seemed vulnerable with was his wife!  She knew exactly how to play him.  Francis was ruthless. Who in their right mind would go after a career in politics, unless you had a death wish.  In fact it was perfectly cast for each character.  

A short peek and I had no desire to follow the American take on it, almost like watching a Japanese version of Gone with the Wind.  

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/01/29/house_of_cards_original_uk_version_is_brilliant_available_on_netflix.html
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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:31 am

For reasonvsemotion:

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Blue is the Warmest Color

Adele's life is changed when she meets Emma, a young woman with blue hair, who will allow her to discover desire, to assert herself as a woman and as an adult. In front of others, Adele grows, seeks herself, loses herself and ultimately finds herself through love and loss.

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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:24 pm



Just saw the link for this.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:51 am

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Aww man. I was so pissed watching that piece of shit. Especially after reading the book.
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PostSubject: Re: Cinematic Masterpieces Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:28 am

No there's a fucking anime that's nothing like the book, but mabey even better. There's a legacy to live up to. Shitting on it gets on my nerves. I would like a funny bad movie called Fifty Shades of Grey.
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