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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...in the data (patterns = knowledge), there is pattern (understanding) that connects them (relationship - attract/repel = interaction).

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Zipf's law also apparently applies to economic measurements. Loyalty and credit can be similar. More interesting is if this law applies to species without ability for self-concept.
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Yes....an organizational rule.
I'm trying to figure out how this would correspond to the triad which seems to govern much of human interactivity, reflected spirituality as well.
I can see how the Christian triad Father/Holy Ghost/Son, corresponds to the Mind/Nervous System/Body...and this pattern seems to be a pattern within the pattern of communication.

Three levels of communication.
The physical (body language - gestures expressions etc), nervous system (patterned vocalizations), mind (innuendo, metaphors etc.).

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If you use the log(x) function you get it to fit a straight line. The data by itself is an exponential distribution.
Many phenomena grow or decline in an approximately exponential fashion.
It has to do with the growing number of connections or say complexity or say mass.

Edit - I read over it again and it's linear on a log-log scale.

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Zipf Distributions occur naturally in many situations, for example in:

- Calls to computer operating systems
- Colors in images
- As the basis of most approaches to image compression
- City populations (a small number of large cities, a larger number of smaller cities)
- Wealth distribution (a small number of people have large amounts of money, large numbers of people have - - small amounts of money)
- Company size distribution
- Artificial intelligence (in particular, "chat bots" that can chat with humans) relies on the limited number of questions and statements that people actually write in chats.

So it's not an exponential distribution but a harmonic series and it might have something to do with connections in networks.
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These connections are relationships of attraction/repulsion - interaction.
It has to do with how patterns can organize into larger balanced unities.
The repetition is iteration. A system feedback into itself - assimilating what energies are lost due to attrition - first with what is outside the system, and second with what lacks pattern, is random (chaotic).

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Harmonic series as in overtones (vibrating string) in music.

In languages, if two languages were to simply add up its vocabulary then the harmonic series would be broken.
Each language is a (harmonic) unity by itself.
In terms of companies I'd expect that the harmonic series only holds true for a shared market space.
In nation-based economies there would probably be a harmonic order of companies for each nation and worldwide then national economies would probably form a harmonic order based on national economic power.


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Can't help but make a connection to morse code

Patterned sequences using binary code - and reflecting the on/off neurological mechanism.
The planet is an ecosystem.  
This binary system can only have evolved first, because it is the simplest.
Sub-systems emerged, evolving from the first. So we have cross-species communication on a visceral level, underlying their own species specific forms.
These repeating patterns in Zipf's law are connectors, from sequence to sequence.

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This is what is converted to code....phenomenon to noumenon - gene to meme.
In the example with the companies the market space, you spoke of was connected by the code of money....or simply mathematics referring to a connecting common supply-demand.

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This is the left's ideal system...a collective of dumb individualists - organized anarchy.
The queen is not in command.
Her job is to lay eggs.

Hive mind.
No ideal, to challenge the main objective - survival.
No competing morality - amoral collectivism, running on genetics the individual is ignorant about, because if it were aware it would begin to question itself and this would make it problematic for the collective harmony of the colony - commune.

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So much for altruism.

This is what happens when the culture of self interest, outweighs any welfare of anyone else. The misery of others, becomes like the images they see on their phones and devices, they express shock and sensations of instinct to act, but are too wrapped up in themselves to do anything but watch as one of their own is killed by his own idiocy. They can only feel superficial pangs of the fight instinct, but like playing video games, it is only an illusive feeling, artificial and not real enough to act on it, so they can only view it on a camera and yell in panic. Their 'altruistic yelling' is a compensation for their empty passivity and stunted narcissist psychologies. Whether this dumbass was worth saving or not is irrelevant.

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The Elephant has an overwhelming urge to continue feasting, but is stopped instead, enraptured with Bach's music. In the second piece, you can see that it finally trusts there to be a promise of beauty enough between the more distant notes that it manages to calm its propensity.
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Lovely.

The animal being blind, has a heightened auditory sense, which makes me wonder if its responses would have been the same if it had full sight. I'd say probably. The effect of the beauty of such music is based in its form and structure, but its power comes from its absence of excess. In other words, its subtlety does not exaggerate its melodies and therefore does not stimulate any invasive moods or feelings, but is highly cognitive. The animal's brain waves were stimulated into its captivation.

Bach's Goldberg piano variations is the paragon of nuance and complexity, highly transcendent. Nature's chaos being channeled into a peaceful order. Genius and existence.
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"In case you are curious, boats rush in to tsunamis for this reason: If you are at the dock and see the tsunami coming - well you can't reach safety in time. If you stay on the dock or hide in a bathroom you'll just drown or get bulldozed by the wave. If you sit in the boat at the dock then the boat will just get smashed in to the dock and/or capsized when the wave crests near the land. If you meet the tsunami out in the water, chances are it wont crest so bad and you have more room to ride along the wave while you try to climb over it."
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The faces - behavior - of these domesticated foxes is a travesty. I feel a deep disgust, thinking about how the fox becomes degraded; humiliated.
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I always thought having an indoor cats is animal cruelty, I feel bad seeing cats looking out of window not being able to go out, I am used to having a cat that can go outside
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For me it is disgust with the happiness.
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The superior cannot become superior - it is unable to understand and therefore to imitate what is above its limit.
The superior can understand and imitate what is beneath it.
therefore, 'equality' entails a levelling downwards - lowest-common-denominator.

If we use running as our example then if a group of runners decides that it's all of them or none of them that will cross the line, then their 'ideology' enforces a lower limit as the shared standard.
All will adjust their running sped to that of the slowest runner.

Ergo, Modernity is a perpetual dumbing-down. Each levelling down lowers the average forcing an adjustment downward.
This is how civilizations collapse.

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The faces - behavior - of these domesticated foxes is a travesty. I feel a deep disgust, thinking about how the fox becomes degraded; humiliated.

It is inevitable. When organisms interact, hierarchies form. Domestication is a form of dominance. If the human didn't establish himself as dominant, the fox would, and I'd say that is even more degrading and humiliating - at least the fox submits to its superior.

A video in a similar vein...

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Domesticates foxes show the same changes in appearances dogs display, i.e, floppy ears colouration diversity.
The changes are attributed to reduced stress levels.
The breed is selected and maintained in a state of adolescence.



Humans have been domesticated for centuries.
currently they are socially selected - pressured by institutions, education and peer pressure - to become pan-sexual, passive and intellectually undiscriminating.
Man will no longer be able to judge using appearances, if this trend persists. what has evolved over millennia will gradually be socially engineered out of the specie.

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Domestication = feminization.
Less threatening environments produce more feminine/infantile dispositions, i.e., bonobo.

A shift from natural to artificial environments, indicates a shift from external factors affecting individuals to internal factors being more influential.

My own definition of 'artificial environment' still holds: when the organism - this case human - intervenes upon the environment (nature) to a degree where the subsequent  environment affects the organism to a greater degree than the environment intervened upon.
To put it another way: when an organism begins to determine its own fate through its interventions - i.e., activities - and the collateral effects these produce.  
Man has passed this point.

The shift is from genetic engineering to memetic engineering.
Whereas nature forces genes to adapt, subsequently affecting memes, in this case man forces his genes to evolve in relation to how he manipulated memes.
This increasingly modifies the specie so that it can no longer survive in the environment it emerged within - see domesticated dogs and other species that are no longer able to survive in the wild after generations of human domestication.
The world beyond the memetic field of effect - i.e., the domesticated species enclosure - becomes a source of bewildering threats.
In humans language is adjusted, becoming increasingly political, esoteric, mystical, and no longer referencing reality directly - addiction to proxies, such as mentors, famous icons/idols are part of this process of dependence.

Notice how even in philosophy nothing about the world is ever stated. All discussions remain about another's positions, cornering reality, or concerning gossip, or society, psychology, or politics - positioning self within the group dynamics.
Language reflects this by turning abstract - refering back to mind, or a communal mind - named God, or divine.
The pseudo-intellectual is never discussing reality, but only via a proxy - discussing what a famous icon idol said, not necessarily about the world, but about man's place within it.

Reduced aggression is not only about physical violence, but also about challenging the social status quo, i.e., communal beliefs, socially approved 'experts' and idols of popular appeal - this is institutionalization.



Institutionalization is an attitude - a psychological disposition.
The individual loses his ability to think outside the box - he can no longer survive in the real world, so he is reluctant to transgress common rules, common authorities, common idols of appreciation, common rules.
He is habituated to regimentation and the enclosure offering certainty. He begins to depend on it - to expect it, top demand it continuance. He defends the very walls that he once tried to break out of.
Such minds cannot think - do not dare to take the risk - of uttering a single opinion without a socially approved idol/icon acting as a proxy - feminization.

Now we know why famous philosophers, such as Nietzsche, have become so popular among young males.
None of them would dare challenge the alpha, or the line of approved thinking - even 'rebels' can only rebel via a proxy representing their 'uniqueness', but that can easily be rejected if he ever falls from grace and is no longer as effective in producing a particular reaction, i.e., dangerousness.

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Nature has an fast and easy method of differentiating superior from inferior perspectives.
Consequences.
The degree to which the organism fails to 'read' its environment, determines the severity of the consequences.

Smaller divergences gradually accumulating into huge disadvantages - huge burdens.

There is no institution to defer and to plead for leniency.
Quality of judgement, manifests in quality of choices, producing consequences.
Vices and virtues are based on this natural foundation.

But in manmade environments things can be inverted....producing the confusion many moderns rely on to excuse themselves from the obvious.

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Natural order is not another way of describing 'absolute order'; nature is not another name for the Magian one-god.
The Greeks, as representatives of Aryanism, symbolized nature with a multiplicity of gods, none of which were defined as omnipotent, nor as omnipresent nor as omniscient.
That monotheism and monism, developed within their openness, is to be expected from a spirit of being that contemplates all possibilities it comes in contact with.

Aryans never killed in the name of their gods, or those who chose alternate spiritualities.
Their polytheism is reflected in their cosmology - an openness to existence.

Abrahamism creates totalitarian enclosures - absolute space/time, universe, oneness, completeness, perfection - absolutism.
A product of existential fatigue.
The herd psyche seeking a sheltering otherness to immerse itself in.
It either declares itself the creator, or it submits to a creator, no matter how it imagines what is non-existent.

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