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PostSubject: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptyFri May 07, 2021 3:13 pm

The unyielding spirit of a herd.

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PostSubject: Re: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptyFri May 07, 2021 3:18 pm

This psychology accepts no responsibility for anything that happens to it.

Nothing it has said; nothing it has done; nothing it is; nothing it wants....has anything, whatsoever, to do with what happens to it.
Its motives - intents - if it accepts any, are clean and pure and noble; they are good.
All is a matter of fate, or another's fault.
The innocent one's burden is nil - it is purified simply by being victimized.
The external aggressive act cleanses tis inward aggression of their intent.
It does not matter what was done prior to the aggression. All of it must be forgotten.
The victim need not change anything about itself, nor alter its judgments and choices. It can continue to behave as it has, because its victimization is another's responsibility, therefore the world must change to accommodate its pure motives, its purity of heart, its innocent/ignorance,; the entirety of its judgements and choices, up to the point of its victimization, are negated.
Victim = crucifix. Jesus was also put to death for doing nothing provocative at all.
His sacrifice cleansed mankind of their past indiscretions - sins - and in his name all future indiscretions will also be negated.
It's provocations are pure of spirit. It acts with no bad intent.
It is divinity's minion, acting on its behalf...so it's behaviour - whether it be provocative or not - is not part of its volition.
Its choices are innocent - an expression of its spirt, with no private intentionality that could ever be considered aggressive, or sexual, or immoral in any way.

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PostSubject: Re: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptyFri May 07, 2021 3:25 pm

Will to Power - via victimhood.

Attain power through weakness.

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PostSubject: Re: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptyFri May 07, 2021 3:33 pm

Denial of free-will begins with an attempt to absolve oneself of the negative consequences of willful judgments and choices.
Of course, like all nihilistic positions, it contradicts itself and must make compromises - sacrifices - to maintain its original intent: self-absolution.
So, an "enlightened" Desperate Degenerate realizes that its selkf-serving declaration that there is no human agency - no free-will whatsoever - also means that the ones it uses as scapegoats, to be victimized by - evil exploiters of their pure innocence, or of their good, well-meaning, intentions - must also be absolved of all culpability, if they wish to remain true to their own absoluting convictions ...and so they begrudgingly, and with a heavy heart, innocently accept this compromise because what is paramount is the preservation of their innocence, as a sign of their worthiness for eternal life - eternal recurrence of the same, or Marxist Utopianism, or Abrahamic Paradise: end of need/suffering.
To bring about Armageddon, for example, the "chosen ones" are burdened with a life of victimization, which they happily, innocently and proudly - shamelessly - accept as a divine burden, though all other tribes rejected such a duplicitously nihilistic role, so as to bring about a final end of existential suffering.
You see, it was all for a good cause.

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PostSubject: Re: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptyFri May 07, 2021 3:49 pm

When, and if an individual, or a collective, conveniently - and quite "innocently" - absolves itself of all intentionality - mostly negative, while accepting the positive as an identifier - they do so by projecting the negative intents upon an external agency - or an external all-encomassing factor they cannot resist, or deny.
Denying free-will is a uniquely nihilistic identifier, particularly in its current, dominant, manifestations, e.g., Abrahamism, and Marxism.
The preservation of "innocence" replaces the claim of "altruism", or "goodness", in antithesis to "evil, bad intentionality".
Of course, what has been learned over the centuries is that innocence/purity must be earned with a sacrifice. A display of one's commitment, and undoubting faith.
See Abraham.
So, one must accept the role of "innocent victim", across the board, i.e., universally, if one hopes to preserve the spirit of "innocent victim" of divine, or universal order - law being its rule.
Ignorance is another self-absoluting sacrifice. If one remains ignorant - intentionally or not (forgetfulness = Lethe) - then the unpredictability of existence can be endured as an acceptable sacrifice for self-purification - proving ones worthiness for eternal life, recurring or not.

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PostSubject: Re: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptyFri May 07, 2021 4:16 pm

If man participates in the causal chains of his own fate - to whatever infinitesimal degree - then every judgment and every choice made based on these judgments is part of what is determined.

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PostSubject: Re: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptyFri May 07, 2021 4:19 pm

The first cause to be explored, in any consequence, is one's own participation; one's own contribution.
So, the first one to blame is oneself, before one even begins to dole out blame on others.
Even if in ignorance or because of misjudgment or naivete, or trickery, the first one to accuse is oneself.
This is nobility of spirit.

The other method - the most common - is an expression of a miserly spirit.

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PostSubject: Re: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptyFri May 07, 2021 4:31 pm

A victim is always dreaming of "changing the world" because it never accepts any responsibility for anything "bad" that ever happens to it. So, it will never adjust or change, its ways, or adapt to a fluctuating existence, because it never does anything wrong - everything wrong is done to it.
This is what the denial of free-will implies.

Unwilling to accept any part of the blame it must project the blame upon some other, and so it repeats the same mistakes, based on the same judgements, founded on the same principles, and it repeats them, expecting the world to change to accommodate them - subjectivity.
It is the world which is at fault - abstracted as universal absolute order, replacing the Abrahamic one-god.
And, since it is always someone or something else which is blamed it remains an innocent victim of bad luck, or an evil spirit, or Nazis, or karma...

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PostSubject: Re: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptyFri May 07, 2021 4:36 pm

Causality is not what happens to you...you are participating in causality - and may be part of what happens to another.
All is part of causality - meaning all is part of universal flux, i.e., interactivity, some intentionally, most unintentionally; most causality being will-less, and a small part being willful.
The willful is more to blame.

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PostSubject: Re: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptyFri May 07, 2021 5:00 pm

And if desperate degenerates ever rise to the level where they dare to accept any degree of human agency it is always to place the blame for what befalls them upon another, preserving for themselves the purest of intentions.
It is always the other's envy, which they must suffer, as the cost of their virtue, and it is always the evil misunderstandings of their innocent, virtuous intentions which they must endure as part of the cost of being so pure and good.

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PostSubject: Re: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptyFri May 07, 2021 5:04 pm

Man's will is neither absolutely free nor absolutely unfree - as always the truth fluctuates, somewhere in the existent real - in-between two ideological artifices.
But, such is existence that this point, in-between, is forever lost in dynamic fluctuations.
Therefore, from what angle a psyche approaches the problem exposes its true essence - will it begin from its indubitable innocence, and then give room to some degree of responsibility, or will it begin from the direction of complete guilt, and then determine the culpability of others?
This is what separates the noble from the miserly spirit.

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PostSubject: Re: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptyFri May 07, 2021 5:15 pm

Why is the common mind more inclined to side with the ideal of an un-free rejection of all responsibility, than on the side of a free acceptance of complete responsibility - proud, shameless, victim of causality, or proud, creator, of causality - either/or, in binary contexts?
For the same reason modern man always identifies with the prey and not the predator; for the same reason woman is inclined to focus her mental energies within group dynamics, in an effort to preserve them and make them as harmonious as possible, and man focuses on usurping and replacing them.

Feminization of Man.

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PostSubject: Re: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptyThu May 27, 2021 6:29 am

A victim is always ignorant of its culpability; innocent of all intent.
It is eternally misunderstood and misinterpreted, unburdening its ignorance upon another.

Goethe, Johann Wolfgang von wrote:
The doer is always conscienceless; only the spectator has a conscience.

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The victim, if he is to be protected, must be engaged with soft gloves, and a dance on eggshells, trying to not not do or say anything that may hurt it.
Pain suffering is forever another's fault and intent, since it recognizes no culpability in itself.
It's vulnerability is never included in the cause, if and when it refuses to acknowledge it, or remain oblivious to it - ignorance is bliss, and ignorance is innocence.

Remaining in Lethe - is a state of perpetual forgetfulness, meaning a refusal to acknowledge any part in causality.

Everything a victim does or says is without any malicious intent - always pure of motive; without any consciously  negative motive - always motivated by good or what is neutral.
Self-Knolwedge is detrimental to this preservation of innocence, and so the self is completely denied or idealized - idealized as one/nil, viz., it is either part of a whole, immersed in oneness, or it is entirely nullified.
Exposing such a psyche to itself - its underlying motives - constitutes an act of aggression towards its innocence, like forcing a sleeper to awake.

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PostSubject: Re: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptyThu May 27, 2021 9:50 am

Victims: Things happen to them, enduring what they have - do not acknowledge - any part in the cause.
All the effect none of the cause.

Elsewhere I've described this as a plant-like existence - all presence and future with no awareness of past, or a selective acceptance of the past.
Often manifesting as a loss of future - un-invested in it - or in a warped, corrupted, projection of an immanent future as an end - an inevitability.
Corrupting the immutable past means reinterpreting what has been done - determined - corrupting a subsequent expectation of a probable future.

Know Thyself is more challenging, urging the individual to acknowledge every part of the past and one's own participation in what has been determined, manifesting as present/presence.
It challenges an individual to become aware of what it was not during the turmoil of its participation, so as to adjust, adapt itself in relation to an objective.
Without such an acceptance of some part of the responsibility no self-improvment is possible. An individual remains stagnate as the world victimizes it.

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A victim is forever misunderstood, its choices and actions always misconstrued, and most of the time he is honest about it because he doesn't erven know the underlying motives of his own actions and choices.
He is always well-meaning, positive, offering gifts of great value, and cannot understand the animosity he produces because he fails to comprehend the secret of his own convictions; the spirit of his core beliefs.
Being misunderstood and misconstrued becomes a badge of honour, evidence of his superiority. His actions and choices too sophisticated for the typical mind to comprehend.
His own ignorance becomes innocence when it is unloaded upon another - self-purification, self-deificaiton, the defensive reactivity of weakness converting its own nature into an assault, an accusation.

When inversion is completed the victim no longer identifies as a victim, but as a victimizer; its secret is now that of the active agency, having internalized and converted victimhood into vengeful self-righteousness in the form of "flattering good tidings" and "empowering world affirmations".

Power of Nil.

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PostSubject: Re: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptyThu May 27, 2021 1:36 pm

Satyr wrote:
A victim is always dreaming of "changing the world" because it never accepts any responsibility for anything "bad" that ever happens to it.

..and hence the mantra ’change is good‘ was borne.. and those that aren’t good with (too much/unnecessary) change, are deemed rigid in character, and frowned upon as inflexible and therefore lacking a necessary skill for Industry and the workplace.

Who makes these rules up.. rules formulated to manipulate the status quo.
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Yes...change is good only when it happens to other than oneself.
So the world ought to be changed so that I don't have to.

It's nihilistic inversion.

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Victim hierarchy disseminated by a member of the chosen victims.
This is amazing.
China's social credit system is making U.S. victim identity its American application.
Who starts with the most social credits?
The top victims.

European heterosexual males being the bottom of the social credit pyramid.
0 victim points.
Handicapped = 5 victim points
Homosexual = 10 points
Transsexual = 10 victim points - currently reaching 20
Paedophile = currently gaining victim points
Female = 10 victim points
Asian = 5 victim points
Latino = 10 victim points
Black = 20 victim points
Jews = 40 victim points

So we can see how victim hierarchy pyramids accumulate points.

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PostSubject: Re: Victim Psychology Victim Psychology EmptySun Nov 28, 2021 11:48 am

Resentment towards the maternal figure may expose an identification with her, and her plight. Anger toward her revealing a rejection of her past judgements and choices; redirected anger towards oneself.
Excessive adulation of the father figure may conceal resentment towards his absence, or his inadequacy, idealizing him so as to not openly express hatred towards his essence. Rejection of authority – paternalism – would indicate a rejection of the father, necessitating his idealization, i.e., purification, absolution, so as to then give oneself to that idealized version – converting the hated one to a cleansed version one can then begin to love, overcompensating by worshipping this purified version. A child identifying with the mother then would be swept away by this imaginary idealized paternal figure.
This, too, is part of feminization.

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To put it in another context, the left-brained will fear, hate and may idealize the right, and the right-braiend the left.
Absolutism revealing low self-awarnesss as ones own essence is misunderstood and may be over- or underestimated, skewing one's appreciation of what one is not - the other.

See, now sympathy/antipathy - subjectivity - are corruptions of empathy - objectivity.

Order or chaos must be idealized out of existence - imagined as something unreal, surreal, supernatural, unnatural.

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And so, the one who had too much Apollo (masculine) in him, admiring the Dionysian, as one would admire the exotic, is held as an icon by those who have little of Apollo in them, and can only ever be Dionysian (feminine)....realizing the price is not always positive for such excesses.

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