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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:56 pm

I believe there is a reality beyond myself, also. But I don't picture it as a direct-realist or objectivist does.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:46 am

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:00 pm

If you go back a thousand years and were to proclaim that Lanza would be there in the future, talking about probabilities and so on - there would be such a small chance that it would actually happen - obviously there is no real world out there - it must be all in the mind of conscious biological creatures...

So Lanza plays some roulette in a casino. He notes the numbers which come about - 12, 23, 17, 20, 38, 7, Zero, 18,.... He writes a long list of 10.000 numbers. Now he's truly amazed because how can this be? How can it be, that those numbers occured in that particular order? I mean, the odds that there comes 12 then 23 followed by 17 then 20....
The odds are pretty much zero, for them to come about in that particular order. This can only be explained by some kind of magic.

Think of the odds, people!
So how can it be that Lanza is here talking with that guy on youtube - the odds are astronomically small. It's a miracle!


It's like watching a movie set in medieval times and some charlatan is selling magic potions to the villagers.

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:24 pm

Yeah... Most mainstream physicists subscribe to the multi-verse theory in order to explain the constants. That's kind of an excuse in attempting to prove their other theories. I don't mind people looking into other routes. This guy is one of leading researches in cloning and stem cells, calling him a charlatan is just a bit of a stretch.

Try looking into it a bit more.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:50 pm

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This guy is one of leading researches in cloning and stem cells, calling him a charlatan is just a bit of a stretch.
Charlatan has nothing to do with his intelligence or lack. I imagine an average charlatan to be quite intelligent, actually. The scientific community isn't filled with 'truth-seekers' or more intellectually-honest people.

Is he convinced about what and how he is selling? - He is creating the universe, or he's a co-creator, so if he believes what he is saying, like really hard, then it's somehow true, isn't it? The best confidence man believes his own deceptions and if we live in a world which is influenced by our believes, a world which we co-create then I say there is no lie in this world. There is only the ones who are too weak to believe in themselves.

In that world the charlatan just lacks in confidence. Confidence is the only thing that matters. No confidence in what one proclaims makes one into a charlatan then.

Come together solipsistic people! We now include all conscious life-forms into the new paradigm.

Anyway...

First, there is no way to absolutely prove or disprove a solipsistic world view, or any of its off-shoots.

In my world view he is a charlatan because his arguments are only based on confidence, he hasn't made a convincing case for it at all. He just tries to slander a certain theory and making it seem like it would be the only theory out there and as if anybody would have claimed that it's the absolute truth. You can see the same argument from monotheists trying to disprove science by arguing that they haven't discovered an absolute truth or the perfect theory(ies). Just bow down to some god, he explains it all by definition/dogma.

"Oh come on, it's pretty unlikely that the universe and evolution just happen because of some strange coincidences. Not bloody likely." - Does this not sound familiar to the arguments of a creationist?

He preys on the hopes of people. Wouldn't it be great if there is an afterlife, because of my theory? You don't even have to develop your own faith - I'll tell you it's all gonna work out fine, with the stamp of scientific approval.

And that brings about a contradiction. Science can't deal with absolute truths, only with approximations and probabilities and even those aren't quantifiable absolutely, only comparatively. His 'scientific'-theory places the power of truth into the consciousness of the biological entity. Then he adds the notion that it's somehow democratic too by incorporating all consciousness in the universe, which makes it easier to defend, easier to evade criticism.

I think solipsism has many advantages in the modern age. Confidence is a chief element for success in this world, today. But I also think that it erodes and destroys the psyche in the long run. There is no grounding for the sheltered mind because there is nothing external which gives the individual any sense of grounding. Nothing is true n evrything is permitted.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:24 pm

Schopenhauer's observation holds probably also true for the rise of Christianity.
First, jews mocked them, then they were hunted and persecuted and then it became the TRUTH.

If that particular TRUTH wouldn't have reached the last stage then we wouldn't even know of that TRUTH's existence. TRUTH's everywhere in their infancies.


Thomas S. Kuhn would probably prefer one TRUTH to rule them all.


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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:33 pm

It's true that the Arthur quote is overly cited and often cited by Christians, ironically.

But in my case, I think it is merited.

Sure, this guy could be a charlatan manipulating the hopes of the masses. But this sort of thinking could be applied to individuals like Richard Dawkins and Hitchens; they sell books that could be said to tickle the ears of radical anti-theists.

Instead of jumping straight to conclusions about people's motives, why not investigate their claims more in depth?
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:07 pm

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Instead of jumping straight to conclusions about people's motives, why not investigate their claims more in depth?
I know what he claims and I've said that there is no absolute way to prove or disprove him - this is not about his world-view. This is about his arguments which are intellectually-dishonest. I believe he knows better.

His double-slit experiment theory doesn't hold up to a conscious observer because we can construct a machine which measures and 'observes' the incident at the double slit and stores the result in some memory. If we do that then it's the same result as if a human would interacted with the particle and 'observed' it. If the machine does not store the result in its memory then the particle still behaves as if a conscious mind did the meaurement. Conclusion: It's the act of measurement, the interaction, not some consciousness or some memory of any sorts which changes reality.

But that guy says so.
I believe that at the very minimum, he is aware of the big holes in his argumentations in that interview. And that makes him intellectually-dishonest to me.

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:23 pm

Has there been an experiment with a machine that has done as you claim?( In regards to the DS experiment) or are you speculating?






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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:28 pm

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In my world view he is a charlatan because his arguments are only based on confidence, he hasn't made a convincing case for it at all. He just tries to slander a certain theory and making it seem like it would be the only theory out there and as if anybody would have claimed that it's the absolute truth. You can see the same argument from monotheists trying to disprove science by arguing that they haven't discovered an absolute truth or the perfect theory(ies). Just bow down to some god, he explains it all by definition/dogma.
How about this guy.

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I believe these people to be thinking that they are genuinely adding substance to the overall debate.

For me it just comes down to curiosity, love Terrence Mckenna. The Atheistkult are astoundingly dogmatic and unimaginative, only skeptical toward certain views, they largely follow in the Christian traditions. Seventy years ago there where only a couple hundred thousand scientists, now there's more than fourteen million. It's to some degree a state sponsored racket, that mainly just supports what ever the mainstream view is. I know this to be a fact within the field of archeology, with a few of them covering up evidence to support current views. Also materialism seems to be a more comforting view. A guaranteed end, and value is only derived from scarce things that eventually end.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:49 pm

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Has there been an experiment with a machine that has done as you claim?( In regards to the DS experiment) or are you speculating?
From the wikipedia page concerning double-slit-experiment with particle detection:

"But an experiment performed in 1987[29] produced results that demonstrated that information could be obtained regarding which path a particle had taken, without destroying the interference altogether. This showed the effect of measurements that disturbed the particles in transit to a lesser degree and thereby influenced the interference pattern only to a comparable extent."

So the measurement can be made to be less intrusive on the photons or electrons and thus the interference pattern is still created for the most part. No consciousness bending reality...
When I first heard about the double-slit-experiment I also thought it's almost magical but when you get more familiar with it then it turns out that it's not the proof of consciousness could change reality... It would be cool, wouldn't it be? ... but this experiment at least, is not it.

And would you believe me if I said that in all kinds of professions there are capable people and people who know how to sell? Science is no exception.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:08 pm

Consciousness collapsing a wave function doesn't need to be seen as 'magical'. Only from a disenchanted, purely mechanical framework would it be perceived as such. Not to take a piss on you, but that quote 1.) Is from wikipedia ( a sketchy source ), 2.) Doesn't mention anything about a non-conscious machine, and 3.) Doesn't name the scientists who did the experiment.

Even if that is true, that doesn't refute Lanza's other points about the erroneous nature of direct-realism. And not to mention the still existent quantum-weirdness of the sub atomic world.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:42 pm

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The Atheistkult are astoundingly dogmatic and unimaginative, only skeptical toward certain views, they largely follow in the Christian traditions. Seventy years ago there where only a couple hundred thousand scientists, now there's more than fourteen million. It's to some degree a state sponsored racket, that mainly just supports what ever the mainstream view is.
Yes, it has become a kind of industry. What is true is becoming more and more a matter of popularity and politics. And I'm not a friend of the Atheistkult. It's secular humanism battling christianity for the market share of believers - or something like that, heh.

And about the video - On first impression, I agree with what he says in the first two minutes, before he starts with the questions. Some of his answers just don't correspond with my own experiences. There is room for something more than the mechanistic in my world view but it's not the I can influence and bend reality directly with my mind kind of magic.

And I think I'm not biased against magic, it's just not my experience.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:08 pm

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Not to take a piss on you, but that quote 1.) Is from wikipedia ( a sketchy source ), 2.) Doesn't mention anything about a non-conscious machine, and 3.) Doesn't name the scientists who did the experiment.
The wiki article links to the paper (P. Mittelstaedt; A. Prieur, R. Schieder (1987). "Unsharp particle-wave duality in a photon split-beam experiment". Foundations of Physics 17)

That quote says that a machine (it's always a machine or apparatus) was constructed which was less invasive in its measurement to not influence the outcome of the experiment. That means that the act of observation does not change or influence the particles by force of consciousness. Reality and outcome isn't changed via consciousness. It's the crude machine which was used before which influenced the experiment.

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:38 am

How do you celebrate when the Government uses public money to promote same-sex marriage?

Well, here's how Poles did it:

Polish Protestors Burn Rainbow Sculpture In Warsaw's Public Square

singing: "Oh le... Fuck, it's burning!" / "Oh le, the whore is burning"







They've burned that gay rainbow 3 times already.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:52 am

I'd heard about that. Nice.

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:38 am

WHO report: Greeks self-inflict HIV to get €700 benefits

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A recent WHO report shows grim health implications from Europe’s economic crisis, including a trend in Greece in which citizens infect themselves with HIV to access the meager range of government benefits available.

The WHO report ‘Review of Social Determinants and the Health Divide in the WHO European Region’ concludes that the staggering levels of unemployment and mandated financial austerity have hit European citizens hard, especially those in Greece, where the jobless level stood at 27 percent in September.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:54 am

That's fucked-up.

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:03 pm

Tyrannus asked me to post a link to his new site where he has a thread dedicated to the members of KTS as he himself cannot post on these sections; he is in the dungeon.

http://arkhamasylum.createaforum.com/general-discussion/mocking-kts/


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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:21 am

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It keeps getting better. In terms of leadership at least - the Ukrainian Orange Revolution 2.0 is looking about as 'Ukrainian' as the Syrian Revolution is 'Syrian'.

As if pro-European Western Ukrainian literal neo-nazis weren't bad enough...

First in an egregious violation of the Ukraine's sovereignty EU politicians literally cheerlead on the rampaging insurrectionist #Euromaiden from on the ground in Kiev - including the Polish sitting Vice President of the European Parliament.

Second Femen rears their ugly heads and chimes in, or rather pisses in, from their adopted lair in France...

Then as Anatoly Karlin pointed out this morning - American worshipping neoliberal/neocon the very ex President of Georgia, Mikhail Sakashvilli has showed up, perhaps hoping to become the new President of the Western Ukraine after his own people gave him the boot.

Now the BBC reports that like some perverse and reverse Che Guevara - the Canadian-Russian dual-citizen, anarchist Voina organizer, brainchild of 'Pussy Riot', and husband of their incarcerated frontgirl Nadezhda Tolokonnikova - Pyotr Verzilov, is one of those who violently stormed the Ukrainian city hall and have barricaded themselves inside.

Its like the fucking Legion of Doom has assembled in Kiev....

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:41 am

Will chimps soon have human rights?

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It isn't the first time that people have sought to grant rights to apes, including releasing them from captivity or entertainment purposes, or banning their use in research. In 2010, the Great Ape Project sought to get a chimpanzee called Jimmy released from a zoo near Rio de Janeiro (unsuccessfully). Another similar case in Brazil went through the courts but the chimp, Suica, died during the process. In 2007, the Balearic Islands, an autonomous part of Spain, granted personhood to great apes, and the Spanish parliament later approved a resolution extending their rights though according to a spokesperson for the Great Apes Project this has not become law yet. In New Zealand and Britain, as well as several other European countries, experiments on apes are banned.

"I think that people in the future will look back," says Wise, "and see this as the opening salvo in a sustained, strategic litigation campaign that led to a breach of the personhood barrier which currently divides humans from non-humans."
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:44 am

Nothing sums up the genetic stupidity and childishness in Africa better than this.

'Fake' interpreter performs 'nonsense' sign language throughout Mandela memorial

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The short clip also shows the South African Broadcasting Corporation's own deaf interpreter, who can be seen to be making different gestures to the signer at the Mandela memorial.

The man, who signed for a portion of the ceremony including Barack Obama's speech, was simply making up his own signs, say the Deaf Federation of South Africa. David Buxton, the CEO of the British Deaf Association, said the unindentified man, who was supposed to be signing in South African, was "waving his hands around but there was no meaning."

Mr Buxton said it was "childish hand gestures and clapping, it was as if he had never learnt a word of sign language in his life."

He said sign languages across the world share a similar structure and pattern, but his were just repetitive hand movements.

"It was hours of complete nonsense. He is clearly a fraud who wanted to stand on stage with big and important people.

But it also exposed the absurdity of the occasion in my opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:29 pm

I laughed out loud when I saw that on the news... amazing that it could go on for hours without anyone doing anything.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:59 pm

In Africa that is perfectly normal. The phenotype is lacking refinement, leading to childish and brute behaviors. Immature parodying of what grown ups (other races) do, without any real will or ability to compete on the same level. The lack is in the mental sphere.


Consider the article below, to liberals it reads as an inspiring tale of Third World ambition, to others it's pure comedy from beginning to end.


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(CNN) -- You could say Chris Nsamba has always been something of an overachiever.

By the age of 16 he'd already won three science competitions for adults.

Now in his late 20s, the Ugandan is still dreaming big: He hopes to build and launch the first African manned shuttle into space.

"It isn't about money, it isn't about competition or pride," said Nsamba, founder of the African Space Research Program. "The mission is about advancement in space technology as a continent and what we can contribute towards that growth."

While the group's plans are ambitious, they are starting at the beginning of the aerospace ladder.

To test their engineering skills, Nsamba and his team are finishing off the first Ugandan designed and built aircraft.

But for Nsamba the sky is not the limit.

"We are trying to have Africa participate in the contribution of knowledge into mankind's destiny," he said.

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:22 pm

Ha! Great find Recidivist, I haven't laughed that hard in quite a while.

Did you read see the caption below that hilarious photo??

'The members of the African Space Research Program are putting the final touches to their aircraft'

You could get closer to space by farting on a lit match.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:53 am

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:41 am

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Interesting.

Apparently, the Russian fellows had used an underage russian boy to lure the nigger. The apartment is his and the cat at the beginning belongs to the nigger. Apparently, because I don't understand russian.

Would be nice if someone here could clarify.

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:11 pm

Apaosha, I'm no racial equalitarian or promoter of political correctness, but when you use the word ' nigger ' all the time in reference to Blacks, it makes you seem like one of those trailer trash hicks that copulates with his own kin.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:42 pm

I'd best behave then or I'll lose my chance of joining the anarchist revolution.

Imagine me in a leprechaun suit swigging pints of Guinness as I beat my girlfriend. It's closer to the mark.

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:27 am

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Apparently, the Russian fellows had used an underage russian boy to lure the nigger.

Yes. It seems that they used some social media network to arrange the meeting.

They make a few jokes about him being black but the whole story is about the fact that he's gay and thought that the Russian boy wanted to have sex with him.

He admits he's had sex with another male before, but it happened in Africa and only his mother knows that he's gay.



One of those guys is from Ukraine, so I'm not sure what kind of "Putin's Neo Nazis" they are.

It seems that someone is trying to demonize Putin for signing anti-gay propaganda bill.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10151790/Vladimir-Putin-signs-anti-gay-propaganda-bill.html
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:07 am

Yep, Putin is the new boogeyman for the west. First he jails some oligarchs (the 'wrong' oligarchs, with the right connections) and now he isn't playing along nicely with the other modern states. Pretty much every time I open some news-paper, there is at least one article which shines some negative light on Russia/Putin and its domestic policies and affairs. One just has to read the news to see who they don't like, and on the other hand, who they support.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:36 pm

World's 85 richest people own nearly half of global wealth

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:16 pm

Size does matter: Scientists discover gene linking gray matter to intelligence

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If Max wants to wear a pink tutu and fairy wings, he can: Parents raise their son as a boy AND a girl so he won't 'grow up aggressive

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