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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Thu May 23, 2013 1:02 pm

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I was reminded of that Greek, Liantinis. How many good men are killing themselves because they cannot stand to live in this modern age?

Yes.

If I have a goal, in setting up this forum, it is to attract and to preserve such minds.
I want to give them a reason, a perspective, to help them live amongst so much filth.

Satyr it's admirable that your trying to preserve good minds but wouldn't it be best to actually be more positive yourself? Most of the time your aggressive or neutral i hardly ever see you type something positive. Your always calling others trash or below you even if such was true thinking & acting in such a manner doesn't really make you any better then them. I actually find what you say to be quite fascinating it's humorous & intelligent but also depressing.
It's too bad but reality is not a positive, to life, state.
This is why life is rare, and precious, and is experienced as a resistance, as need/suffering.

Being honest is not for the feint of heart...and those who profess to be thinkers are really preachers of good-tidings and salesmen offering lies to those who can only tolerate them.

Life is to for the strong, the durable...and if modern man has created a simulation to protect the masses, so as to exploit them, then this should not be taken as anything more than an artifice.
It's easy to manipulate others with lies that flatter and offer them easy solutions and comforting words...so easy it is all around us daily...in politics, in social interactions, in movies in music, in "thinking".

I speak harshly to those who have been raised on pillows and air-conditioned worlds.
I speak of blemishes and worms in a world where produce comes shiny, full of protective pesticides, perfect, as if it never grew on a tree in nature.

This is how I separate the men from the boys and the real women from the girly twits and spoiled brats.


When I see trash, I call it trash.
I do not humor it or comfort it or tell it it can grow to be gold.
Trash is trash...and I will not be bothered with it and its desire to find an escape out of its self-awareness.

I voice my opinions whereas they do not.
They think the exact same thing about me, but have been trained to feel ashamed about voicing it or afraid of the repercussions.
I'm not to be judged based on etiquette and social graces...that full of hypocrisy and lies.
I am to be judged on the strength of my arguments.
If you want polite, go to the Church and find many well-dressed, polite, pretentiously humble, idiots.
Doesn't make their views anything other than retarded and cowardly.
You mistake the selling, the expression, for the content. If i package shit in a nice jewlbox, is it anything other than shit?
If I cover a jewel with feces, does it stop being a jewel?
Scrape the crap away, and look closer...or tear the packaging apart to see the inside.

You humor a dog, treating it as if it were human, giving it respect it has not earned and do you know what happens?
It takes over the house, seeing in your attitude a capitulation, an admission that you are beneath it.
Then, to correct it, you must become harsh,, exert your will, let it know its place.

If I wanted puppies running around shitting all over the carpets, chewing up the furniture, shedding hairs all over my food, i would do exactly as you say.
But, in my home, I only invite humans.

Are you one, or do you have to have pets around, barking and rubbing up against you, making you feel warm and fuzzy?

If my message seems cruel then it is because for far too long it has been swept under the carpet and pretended like it is not there, filling the room with its odor.
To a child used to computer simulations of war and brutality, the real thing would be terrifying and too much for ti to handle.

If I'm going to call someone a friend, and help him as best I can, then he must prove worthy of it...and not some douche-bag who will turn and run, at the first sign of trouble or the first hint as pain.
Many mistakenly believe that philosophy, the exploration of the world, or reality, is a soothing practice...they think it offers profound insights, ready made, providing immediate gratification...where everyone can speak their mind and no harm will come of it...no struggle will ensue.
I don't.

Reality teaches me that if reality is what you seek, then be prepared for the vulgar, the cruel, the vicious, the brutal.

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Thu May 23, 2013 3:08 pm

Makes sense i guess, but you like to mess with stupidity for entertainment purposes i know the reason why someone really trolls they don't it because they have problems in real life they do it because it's a very fun way to pass the time. Only difference between you & a regular troll is that your clever. Do you mind if i ask you your opinion on video games, do you think there bad or good in today's society? I can give you my opinion first on the subject if you prefer or we can take the discussion to another thread.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Thu May 23, 2013 4:38 pm

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Makes sense i guess, but you like to mess with stupidity for entertainment purposes i know the reason why someone really trolls they don't it because they have problems in real life they do it because it's a very fun way to pass the time. Only difference between you & a regular troll is that your clever.
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an easy way to dismiss someone, when you can't really deal with them
It's like the terms: racist, sexist, Nazi...
An easy way out.

Not that there are not individuals who get a kick out of rattling other people's cages.
But in my case, you ascribe a motive which is not present.
I am not trying to be controversial to shock and awe, but because I need to say what needs to be said, in a world who keeps silent and sort of just repeats the same bullshit as if it were self-evident.

My views are my views, and whether others find them controversial, disturbing, or shocking, is of secondary importance...but I still get a kick out of weaklings and imbeciles being told what they have never been told before; at least not as clearly and, I hope, well-developed.

Sure, they get the odd goofball, hick, who is a racist or a sexist, for no particular reason, other than the ones they cite to dismiss me...but I have an argument and reasoning behind my views.
It's also entertaining when they underestimate me, taking me for some redneck, or some simpleton who just hates, or is compensating for some personal failing.

My arguments set them straight and my insults give them reason to hate me and it's a way of me turning the tables, exposing them as the simpleton, hicks, who simply believe in the things they believe for self-serving, self-flattering, emotional reasons.

When I tell a moron he or she is a moron, when everyone nods their heads, and tiptoes around their toes, when they repeat the same lies, it's rewarding.

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Do you mind if i ask you your opinion on video games, do you think there bad or good in today's society? I can give you my opinion first on the subject if you prefer or we can take the discussion to another thread.
I think I've explained my positions on video-games and on entertainment in general.

It's a way of venting, masculine energies...kind of like porn for the more intellectual, imaginative male.
It's an alternative reality, where boys are permitted to be boys, and not forced to be girls, like in the real world.

It's also a way of escaping self.
One's own inadequacies, inferiority, complexes.

Now even females are using it.

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I find it interesting that you would measure my conduct using modern social standards for etiquette.

I find it interesting because it is a kind of allusion to your perspective that I do not really mean what I say, but I do it for some alternative reason.

Would you, for instance, accuse me of bad form if I were to strike a dog who bit me?
Would you accuse me of mad manners if I were to pass wind in front of a cow?

What if I admitted that I consider chimps my inferiors, in the mind department?
Would you find that arrogant...an error?

I don't think you truly understand what is going on, here.
When I speak of a "war like on other" I am not simply blowing smoke.
This is a war against human intelligence, human diversity, human identity...human discrimination/consciousness.

The term human is not used in the way liberals, or moderns use it.
They remain true to the sexual designation...yet, I repeat, they then deny the relevance of sex and sexual types and roles.
Hypocritical, don't you think?
But this is common amongst these sheeple.

They speak of generalizations and simplifications when dealing with sex and race, but then they ascribe to the most generalizing, simplifying category of all: human race.

If we are to leave behind sex and race, as an identifier, then we must first determine how much sex and race affects potentials, in all areas, but particularly the intellect, which, for me, is the only trait that separates man from beast.
Having done that we must then decide what definition, other than the species one, we will use to determine who is human and to what degree...but, more so, we must determine who is like us and who is the opposite of us.

Liberalism and Modernity appear to find unity in shares morals and ideals...should we not follow suit if we are to play their game?
Talking with the average moron, out there, I find little in common with him. I do not care, to the same degree, for what he cares for; I do not aspire to what he aspires toward; I do not analyze and measure using the same standards, and the same moral compass.

How, then, is he like me?
Do we now, conveniently return to the generalization and the species/sexual definition...because now it suits us/
Should we remain true to the starting proposition and find those who are similar amongst those with whom we share the same morals, the same ideals and the same awareness?

You can't change the rules of the game to suit your interests.
If genes are not to be used, and memes are to replace them, as determining identifiers, then let us remain loyal to this method.

The only reason I analyze genes and genetic potentials, is to determine who or amongst what groups, one is more likely to find a particular character and psychology and intellect.
Memes are built upon genes...they do not emerge out of nothingness.
A particular people, evolved within a particular environment, created particular moral and intellectual and social standards.
If successful these memes spread, and other peoples adopt them, purchase them, accept them, are seduced by them...and they wear them like a monkey wears a shirt: casually.

Having said that, it is also possible to find amongst the primates individuals far more refined than the below-average human.
I've come across dogs and once a goat, with a kind of innate dignity about them; a pride, one felt in the animals bearing.
No, I am not kidding.

So, yes, within all bloodlines we can find individuals who surpass the average within our own bloodline.
For instance, I've met better Greeks outside of Greece.
The Greeks there are, in their majority, integrated within the Jewish-Christian slavishness and cult of victim-hood.
Nietzsche was a far better Hellene than those who speak Greek and profess to be Greek, when they are modern.
Liantinis was ten times the Greek 99% of those worshiping Jews are, today in modern Greece.

This is why I analyze sex and race not to exclude, out of hand, but to determine potential. Then I judge the individual on a case by case basis.

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Do you understand how so much has already been lost because of this civility we are forced to abide by?
Do you understand how weakness and stupidity is bolstered when we do not tell it how pathetic it is, when we do not expose it?
The social indoctrination has become so ingrained in us that we don to dare speak our mind on on-line forums and on philosophy forums, where speaking our minds is why we went there.
If we can not state the truth there, then where the fuck can we?
Are we to take the insinuation, the trite accusations, the easy dismissals using emotionally laden terms, so that we remain civil towards animals or we do not hurt the feelings of some idiot who thought going to an on-line philosophy forum was going to give him easy solutions for his personal problems, or was going to make him feel better and more secure and happier?

The very idea that philosophy offers happiness is ridiculous.

Was I supposed to sit there as some fat bitch or some moron high or drunk, or some simpleton who hasn't a clue, slandered me?
That I reciprocated and got into the mud with those swine, surprised them. They thought i was going to cut and run...but I didn't.
And when they could not deal with me, they bitched to the authorities and got me banned.

This has happened, over and over again.
Do you think I go back there expecting any different or wanting to abide by their hypocritical rules?
No, I go there to poke the manimals.
Sometimes, after poking, a few gems drop out of the feces...and they come here.



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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Thu May 23, 2013 5:36 pm

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Thu May 23, 2013 5:50 pm

Satyr wrote:
Kratos wrote:
Makes sense i guess, but you like to mess with stupidity for entertainment purposes i know the reason why someone really trolls they don't it because they have problems in real life they do it because it's a very fun way to pass the time. Only difference between you & a regular troll is that your clever.
This is my position onTrolls.
an easy way to dismiss someone, when you can't really deal with them
It's like the terms: racist, sexist, Nazi...
An easy way out.

Not that there are not individuals who get a kick out of rattling other people's cages.
But in my case, you ascribe a motive which is not present.
I am not trying to be controversial to shock and awe, but because I need to say what needs to be said, in a world who keeps silent and sort of just repeats the same bullshit as if it were self-evident.

My views are my views, and whether others find them controversial, disturbing, or shocking, is of secondary importance...but I still get a kick out of weaklings and imbeciles being told what they have never been told before; at least not as clearly and, I hope, well-developed.

Sure, they get the odd goofball, hick, who is a racist or a sexist, for no particular reason, other than the ones they cite to dismiss me...but I have an argument and reasoning behind my views.
It's also entertaining when they underestimate me, taking me for some redneck, or some simpleton who just hates, or is compensating for some personal failing.

My arguments set them straight and my insults give them reason to hate me and it's a way of me turning the tables, exposing them as the simpleton, hicks, who simply believe in the things they believe for self-serving, self-flattering, emotional reasons.

When I tell a moron he or she is a moron, when everyone nods their heads, and tiptoes around their toes, when they repeat the same lies, it's rewarding.

Kratos wrote:
Do you mind if i ask you your opinion on video games, do you think there bad or good in today's society? I can give you my opinion first on the subject if you prefer or we can take the discussion to another thread.
I think I've explained my positions on video-games and on entertainment in general.

It's a way of venting, masculine energies...kind of like porn for the more intellectual, imaginative male.
It's an alternative reality, where boys are permitted to be boys, and not forced to be girls, like in the real world.

It's also a way of escaping self.
One's own inadequacies, inferiority, complexes.

Now even females are using it.

--------------------

I find it interesting that you would measure my conduct using modern social standards for etiquette.

I find it interesting because it is a kind of allusion to your perspective that I do not really mean what I say, but I do it for some alternative reason.

Would you, for instance, accuse me of bad form if I were to strike a dog who bit me?
Would you accuse me of mad manners if I were to pass wind in front of a cow?

What if I admitted that I consider chimps my inferiors, in the mind department?
Would you find that arrogant...an error?

I don't think you truly understand what is going on, here.
When I speak of a "war like on other" I am not simply blowing smoke.
This is a war against human intelligence, human diversity, human identity...human discrimination/consciousness.

The term human is not used in the way liberals, or moderns use it.
They remain true to the sexual designation...yet, I repeat, they then deny the relevance of sex and sexual types and roles.
Hypocritical, don't you think?
But this is common amongst these sheeple.

They speak of generalizations and simplifications when dealing with sex and race, but then they ascribe to the most generalizing, simplifying category of all: human race.

If we are to leave behind sex and race, as an identifier, then we must first determine how much sex and race affects potentials, in all areas, but particularly the intellect, which, for me, is the only trait that separates man from beast.
Having done that we must then decide what definition, other than the species one, we will use to determine who is human and to what degree...but, more so, we must determine who is like us and who is the opposite of us.

Liberalism and Modernity appear to find unity in shares morals and ideals...should we not follow suit if we are to play their game?
Talking with the average moron, out there, I find little in common with him. I do not care, to the same degree, for what he cares for; I do not aspire to what he aspires toward; I do not analyze and measure using the same standards, and the same moral compass.

How, then, is he like me?
Do we now, conveniently return to the generalization and the species/sexual definition...because now it suits us/
Should we remain true to the starting proposition and find those who are similar amongst those with whom we share the same morals, the same ideals and the same awareness?

You can't change the rules of the game to suit your interests.
If genes are not to be used, and memes are to replace them, as determining identifiers, then let us remain loyal to this method.

The only reason I analyze genes and genetic potentials, is to determine who or amongst what groups, one is more likely to find a particular character and psychology and intellect.
Memes are built upon genes...they do not emerge out of nothingness.
A particular people, evolved within a particular environment, created particular moral and intellectual and social standards.
If successful these memes spread, and other peoples adopt them, purchase them, accept them, are seduced by them...and they wear them like a monkey wears a shirt: casually.

Having said that, it is also possible to find amongst the primates individuals far more refined than the below-average human.
I've come across dogs and once a goat, with a kind of innate dignity about them; a pride, one felt in the animals bearing.
No, I am not kidding.

So, yes, within all bloodlines we can find individuals who surpass the average within our own bloodline.
For instance, I've met better Greeks outside of Greece.
The Greeks there are, in their majority, integrated within the Jewish-Christian slavishness and cult of victim-hood.
Nietzsche was a far better Hellene than those who speak Greek and profess to be Greek, when they are modern.
Liantinis was ten times the Greek 99% of those worshiping Jews are, today in modern Greece.

This is why I analyze sex and race not to exclude, out of hand, but to determine potential. Then I judge the individual on a case by case basis.

-------------------------

Do you understand how so much has already been lost because of this civility we are forced to abide by?
Do you understand how weakness and stupidity is bolstered when we do not tell it how pathetic it is, when we do not expose it?
The social indoctrination has become so ingrained in us that we don to dare speak our mind on on-line forums and on philosophy forums, where speaking our minds is why we went there.
If we can not state the truth there, then where the fuck can we?
Are we to take the insinuation, the trite accusations, the easy dismissals using emotionally laden terms, so that we remain civil towards animals or we do not hurt the feelings of some idiot who thought going to an on-line philosophy forum was going to give him easy solutions for his personal problems, or was going to make him feel better and more secure and happier?

The very idea that philosophy offers happiness is ridiculous.

Yea i will admit i did kind of test you a little on the video game question, i was expecting you wouldn't have a negative opinion on them or if you did i was going to get into details about the advantages they provide.

I came here to learn more about philosophy, so that i can gain more knowledge, i like to improve myself as a human being. Hypocrites are quite annoying i have to deal with them a lot too for example. Feminists, D.A.R.E or pretty much any organization that tells lies to the people.

I'm with you on the nature part i know the solution to the problems you've had with dealing with certain types of people & it comes from nature, i'm talking about the green stuff man! lol! In all seriousness staying stress free is a good idea, don't want to lose testosterone you need as much as possible if you want to get shit done.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Fri May 24, 2013 11:46 am

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What's interesting is that the ape was quick to apologize to the females...the white ones, who witnessed this killing of a white male.

They wanted to retain their good-will, using the excuse that gorillas were being killed in Africa.
This is classic.

We already see the seduction of Caucasian females into the Black culture - a reversal back to primal sexual behaviors can only come through the representation of primal masculinity.

Further proof that heterogeneous systems, despite enforcing a strict code of behavior, law and thinking, are still fighting against natural predispositions. predispositions that twill require generations of social selection, cultural eugenics to be expunged, if they ever are expunged.
Taking a gorilla out of the jungle and making him live in a civilization he cannot relate to, is like unleashing a wild animal into the streets, though it has been raised in a zoo and trained to behave as if it were not an animal.
Dysgenics.

Meanwhile emasculated European men stand flabbergasted, appalled, dismayed, shocked, aligning themselves behind the usual excuses.

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:04 am

Can you believe this crap?

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Iraq damages cases: Supreme Court rules families can sue

The families of soldiers killed in Iraq can sue the government for damages under the Human Rights Act, the Supreme Court has ruled.

The case was brought by relatives of three men killed by roadside bombs while in Snatch Land Rovers in Iraq.

The court rejected the government's argument that the battlefield was beyond the reach of the legislation.

Judges also ruled the Ministry of Defence owes soldiers a duty of care under the law of negligence.

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It seems as though the state is now responsible for everything that happens, that these sheeple parents cannot accept any responsibility for their own actions, including sending their sons off to war.

Eventually every hurt will require some compensation. Perhaps in the interest of peace and harmony the establishment will acquiesce, until we exist in a completely cocooned environment, protected from all possible harm... the living dead.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:22 pm

The liberal presenter avoids the subject of race, even though its absence leaves a deafening silence in this 'shocking' news item:

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:02 pm

Gerald Celente, hand on his heart, solution to America's woes.

It appears he has done well financially in the U S of A and I think the truth be known his "search" for another country to reside in had more to do with Taxes less to do with altruism.

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:31 pm

The recent Snowdon case proves the antagonism between the U.S. and the emerging European Union.
This is part of New World Order redefinitions of what the U.S. considers friend from foe.

The attempt to insert Turkey, as a second resisting state, along with the puppet U.K. has made the core states of Germany and France react in their own attempt to rewrite the original European constitution.
The so-called two tiered European Union made up of a group of core, mostly Norther European countries, and a second tier of potential members of this central core group, is how Germany and France are trying to protect the European Union from U.S. economic aggression.

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:45 pm

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French police have very broad powers to detain suspects, and they have used them here. On their own admission, there is no evidence that Kristian Vikernes was formulating any kind of plan.

But intelligence officials obviously believe that given his background and his known beliefs, Vikernes is potentially a very dangerous individual. So after his wife bought the guns, they decided to take him in.

The dark world of black metal neo-Nazism is not one with many supporters in France. It is in Scandinavia where the crude mix of Norse mythology and racial obsession has more of a following.

Still, some of Vikernes's internet warnings against immigration and the European Union might have struck a wider chord in France - had anyone been reading - and in a recent pronouncement he expressed wholehearted support for National Front leader Marine Le Pen.

It was the kind of extremist endorsement which Ms Le Pen will certainly not have appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:16 pm

The conflict between Jew-America and Euro-Germany is well under way.
Austerity is Germany's way of consolidating its control over European peoples and resources, in an effort to create a United states of Europe, spending and open markets is U.S. rhetoric which opens foreign lands or American intervention.

At play, amongst other things, the newly discovered oil in the eastern Mediterranean region.

Germany is but the front-man to a Nordic European group, also including France.
And we know what the U.S. is a front of.

Greece is trying to play one on the other, wanting Germany to pay for their 30 debt, created because they lacked control and thought money grew on trees.
Greece was a product of Christian infection and Ottoman insertions, then becoming popular in the Cold War era, the U.S. offering her support to keep the Commies away.
In time this living above and beyond their means became a habit, and the American materialistic system fit well with Christian world hatred.

Russia is also part of the game, as a peripheral player, still trying to rekindle that old Soviet dream.
China, as always, from a distance watches and waits.
But china, along with Russia, did intervene upon U.S. plans to topple Syria, making it another part of the regional U.S. petrol patrol.

Also in play, Israel, who is not courted by Greece and Cyprus to keep the Turks at bay.

The chess pieces are in play.
Shall we watch?

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:25 pm

World War II is being fought again ...only this time economically, memetically.

The same players are still present ...with some alliances rearranged:

The Germans wanting to establish a New Rome...

The French, this time aligning behind the Germans, because this time they will not become pawns for others to rise to Superpower status, and the British are not a factor anymore.

The Americans, with that Jewish lobby...

The British, no longer a power, but totally surrendered to the Americans and their "way of life", and now acting as a veto to European Unity, beyond the economic.

The Russians, trying to see where the pendulum will swing, but this time with no illusions concerning the Anglo-American, Judeo-Christian, Axis.

The Chinese, this time with no Japanese threat, because it has been absorbed by the American Empire, standing by ...waiting ...exuding force with its mass.

This time we also have the up-and-coming Indian and Brazilian elements, and Venezuela trying to lead the Southerns Americas towards a union of their own.

The rest, including the Islamic factor?
Collateral damage ...small players ...excuses ...convenient pawns.

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Did the White House Help Plan the Syrian Chemical Attack?

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There is a growing volume of new evidence from numerous sources in the Middle East — mostly affiliated with the Syrian opposition and its sponsors and supporters — which makes a very strong case, based on solid circumstantial evidence, that the August 21, 2013, chemical strike in the Damascus suburbs was indeed a pre-meditated provocation by the Syrian opposition.

The extent of US foreknowledge of this provocation needs further investigation because available data puts the “horror” of the Barack Obama White House in a different and disturbing light.

On August 13-14, 2013, Western-sponsored opposition forces in Turkey started advance preparations for a major and irregular military surge. Initial meetings between senior opposition military commanders and representatives of Qatari, Turkish, and US Intelligence [“Mukhabarat Amriki”] took place at the converted Turkish military garrison in Antakya, Hatay Province, used as the command center and headquarters of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and their foreign sponsors. Very senior opposition commanders who had arrived from Istanbul briefed the regional commanders of an imminent escalation in the fighting due to “a war-changing development” which would, in turn, lead to a US-led bombing of Syria.

The opposition forces had to quickly prepare their forces for exploiting the US-led bombing in order to march on Damascus and topple the Bashar al-Assad Government, the senior commanders explained. The Qatari and Turkish intelligence officials assured the Syrian regional commanders that they would be provided with plenty of weapons for the coming offensive.

Indeed, unprecedented weapons distribution started in all opposition camps in Hatay Province on August 21-23, 2013. In the Reyhanli area alone, opposition forces received well in excess of 400 tons of weapons, mainly anti-aircraft weaponry from shoulder-fired missiles to ammunition for light-guns and machineguns. The weapons were distributed from store-houses controlled by Qatari and Turkish Intelligence under the tight supervision of US Intelligence.

These weapons were loaded on more than 20 trailer-trucks which crossed into northern Syria and distributed the weapons to several depots. Follow-up weapon shipments, also several hundred tons, took place over the weekend of August 24-25, 2013, and included mainly sophisticated anti-tank guided missiles and rockets. Opposition officials in Hatay said that these weapon shipments were “the biggest” they had received “since the beginning of the turmoil more than two years ago”. The deliveries from Hatay went to all the rebel forces operating in the Idlib-to-Aleppo area, including the al-Qaida affiliated jihadists (who constitute the largest rebel forces in the area).

Several senior officials from both the Syrian opposition and sponsoring Arab states stressed that these weapon deliveries were specifically in anticipation for exploiting the impact of imminent bombing of Syria by the US and the Western allies. The latest strategy formulation and coordination meetings took place on August 26, 2013. The political coordination meeting took place in Istanbul and was attended by US Amb. Robert Ford.

More important were the military and operational coordination meetings at the Antakya garrison. Senior Turkish, Qatari, and US Intelligence officials attended in addition to the Syrian senior (opposition) commanders. The Syrians were informed that bombing would start in a few days.

“The opposition was told in clear terms that action to deter further use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime could come as early as in the next few days,” a Syrian participant in the meeting said. Another Syrian participant said that he was convinced US bombing was scheduled to begin on Thursday, August 29, 2013. Several participants — both Syrian and Arab — stressed that the assurances of forthcoming bombing were most explicit even as formally Obama is still undecided.

The descriptions of these meetings raise the question of the extent of foreknowledge of US Intelligence, and therefore, the Obama White House. All the sources consulted — both Syrian and Arab — stressed that officials of the “Mukhabarat Amriki” actively participated in the meetings and briefings in Turkey. Therefore, at the very least, they should have known that the opposition leaders were anticipating “a war-changing development”: that is, a dramatic event which would provoke a US-led military intervention.

The mere fact that weapon storage sites under the tight supervision of US Intelligence were opened up and about a thousand tons of high-quality weapons were distributed to the opposition indicates that US Intelligence anticipated such a provocation and the opportunity for the Syrian opposition to exploit the impact of the ensuing US and allied bombing. Hence, even if the Obama White House did not know in advance of the chemical provocation, they should have concluded, or at the very least suspected, that the chemical attack was most likely the “war-changing development” anticipated by the opposition leaders as provocation of US-led bombing. Under such circumstances, the Obama White House should have refrained from rushing head-on to accuse Assad’s Damascus and threaten retaliation, thus making the Obama White House at the very least complicit after the act.

Meanwhile, additional data from Damascus about the actual chemical attack increases the doubts about Washington’s version of events. Immediately after the attack, three hospitals of Doctors Without Borders (MSF: médecins sans frontières) in the greater Damascus area treated more than 3,600 Syrians affected by the chemical attack, and 355 of them died. MSF performed tests on the vast majority of those treated.

MSF director of operations Bart Janssens summed up the findings: “MSF can neither scientifically confirm the cause of these symptoms nor establish who is responsible for the attack. However, the reported symptoms of the patients, in addition to the epidemiological pattern of the events — characterized by the massive influx of patients in a short period of time, the origin of the patients, and the contamination of medical and first aid workers — strongly indicate mass exposure to a neurotoxic agent.” Simply put, even after testing some 3,600 patients, MSF failed to confirm that sarin was the cause of the injuries. According to MSF, the cause could have been nerve agents like sarin, concentrated riot control gas, or even high-concentration pesticides. Moreover, opposition reports that there was distinct stench during the attack suggest that it could have come from the “kitchen sarin” used by jihadist groups (as distinct from the odorless military-type sarin) or improvised agents like pesticides.

Some of the evidence touted by the Obama White House is questionable at best.

A small incident in Beirut raises big questions. A day after the chemical attack, Lebanese fixers working for the “Mukhabarat Amriki” succeeded to convince a Syrian male who claimed to have been injured in the chemical attack to seek medical aid in Beirut in return for a hefty sum that would effectively settle him for life. The man was put into an ambulance and transferred overnight to the Farhat Hospital in Jib Janine, Beirut. The Obama White House immediately leaked friendly media that “the Lebanese Red Cross announced that test results found traces of sarin gas in his blood.” However, this was news to Lebanese intelligence and Red Cross officials.
According to senior intelligence officials, “Red Cross Operations Director George Kettaneh told [them] that the injured Syrian fled the hospital before doctors were able to test for traces of toxic gas in his blood.” Apparently, the patient declared that he had recovered from his nausea and no longer needed medical treatment. The Lebanese security forces are still searching for the Syrian patient and his honorarium.

On August 24, 2013, Syrian Commando forces acted on intelligence about the possible perpetrators of the chemical attack and raided a cluster of rebel tunnels in the Damascus suburb of Jobar. Canisters of toxic material were hit in the fierce fire-fight as several Syrian soldiers suffered from suffocation and “some of the injured are in a critical condition”.

The Commando eventually seized an opposition warehouse containing barrels full of chemicals required for mixing “kitchen sarin”, laboratory equipment, as well as a large number of protective masks. The Syrian Commando also captured several improvised explosive devices, RPG rounds, and mortar shells. The same day, at least four HizbAllah fighters operating in Damascus near Ghouta were hit by chemical agents at the very same time the Syrian Commando unit was hit while searching a group of rebel tunnels in Jobar. Both the Syrian and the HizbAllah forces were acting on intelligence information about the real perpetrators of the chemical attack. Damascus told Moscow the Syrian troops were hit by some form of a nerve agent and sent samples (blood, tissues, and soil) and captured equipment to Russia.

Several Syrian leaders, many of whom are not Bashar al-Assad supporters and are even his sworn enemies, are now convinced that the Syrian opposition is responsible for the August 21, 2013, chemical attack in the Damascus area in order to provoke the US and the allies into bombing Assad’s Syria. Most explicit and eloquent is Saleh Muslim, the head of the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) which has been fighting the Syrian Government. Muslim doubts Assad would have used chemical weapons when he was winning the civil war.

“The regime in Syria … has chemical weapons, but they wouldn’t use them around Damascus, five km from the [UN] committee which is investigating chemical weapons. Of course they are not so stupid as to do so,” Muslim told Reuters on August 27, 2013. He believes the attack was “aimed at framing Assad and provoking an international reaction”. Muslim is convinced that “some other sides who want to blame the Syrian regime, who want to show them as guilty and then see action” is responsible for the chemical attack. The US was exploiting the attack to further its own anti-Assad policies and should the UN inspectors find evidence that the rebels were behind the attack, then “everybody would forget it”, Muslim shrugged. “Who is the side who would be punished? Are they are going to punish the Emir of Qatar or the King of Saudi Arabia, or Mr Erdo?an of Turkey?”

And there remain the questions: Given the extent of the involvement of the “Mukhabarat Amriki” in opposition activities, how is that US Intelligence did not know in advance about the opposition’s planned use of chemical weapons in Damascus?

It is a colossal failure.

And if they did know and warned the Obama White House, why then the sanctimonious rush to blame the Assad Administration?

Moreover, how can the Obama Administration continue to support and seek to empower the opposition which had just intentionally killed some 1,300 innocent civilians in order to provoke a US military intervention?

Yossef Bodansky, Senior Editor, GIS/Defense & Foreign Affairs

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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:34 pm

Are the US war drums being silenced?
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:06 am

A Plea for Caution From Russia
What Putin Has to Say to Americans About Syria

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MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.
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Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.

The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.

Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.

Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.

From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.

No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.

It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”

But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.

No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.

The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.

We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.

A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.

I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.

If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.

My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

Vladimir V. Putin is the president of Russia.
A version of this op-ed appears in print on September 12, 2013, on page A31 of the New York edition with the headline: A Plea for Caution From Russia.
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PostSubject: Re: General News Thread Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:07 am

2 MILLION BIKERS RALLY INTO WASHINGTON, DC Remembering 9/11 (FULL) 9/11/13

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Everything that has happened has happened based on a lie. Everyone in government; in the media, in entertainment, in organized religion, in the public eye and in the public who accepts and promotes the official story is either a traitor or a tool.

Everyone who does not stand forth and speak truth to power is a coward, a liar and complicit in mass murder.

Everyone- everywhere can be measured according to this litmus test.
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"With my newfound faith, there existed religious guidelines that provided spiritual and behavioral codes of conduct. Role models such as Malcolm X only helped to reinforce the perception that Islam enabled the empowerment of one's masculinity coupled with righteous and virtuous conduct as a strength, not a weakness, the founder of Street UK, Strategy to Reach Empower and Educate Teenagers program, explained."
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Islamist rebels declare war on non-Islamist rebels, seize border town

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The European Framework National Statute for the Promotion of Tolerance

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Juveniles convicted of committing crimes listed in paragraph (a) will be required to undergo a rehabilitation programme designed to instill in them a culture of tolerance.
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(i) Hate crimes as defined in Section 1(c).
(ii) Incitement to violence against a group as defined in
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(iii) Group libel as defined in Section 1(b).
(iv) Overt approval of a totalitarian ideology, xenophobia or anti-Semitism.
(v) Public approval or denial of the Holocaust.
(vi) Public approval or denial of any other act of genocide the existence of which has been determined by an international criminal court or tribunal.
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(a) The Government shall ensure that public broadcasting (television and radio) stations will devote a prescribed percentage of their programmes to promoting a climate of tolerance, as per Section 8(f).
(b)(b) The Government shall encourage all privately owned mass media (including the printed press) to promotea climate of tolerance, as per Section 8(f).
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