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PostSubject: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:00 am

http://news.yahoo.com/humans-becoming-less-intelligent-173400651.html


The Movie "Idiocracy" is turning out to be a documentary
Idiocracy Opening

How many of you have seen it ?
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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:08 pm

I've heard of it.

Dumbing-Down.

Ant colonies, bee hives are reliant on this dumbing-down.

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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:51 pm

From the article:

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"And its unlikely that the evolutionary advantage of intelligence is greater than it was during our hunter-gatherer past, the paper argues."

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How can the above sentence possibly be justified, when humans are the most intelligent animals on the planet and increasing urbanization has put them in direct competition with each other?

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"A hunter-gatherer who did not correctly conceive a solution to providing food or shelter probably died, along with his/her progeny, whereas a modern Wall Street executive that made a similar conceptual mistake would receive a substantial bonus and be a more attractive mate. Clearly, extreme selection is a thing of the past," the researchers write in the journal article."

How can it require greater intelligence to catch a much less intelligent creature, than to have to compete against similar intelligences for the same job? During the hunter-gatherer period there were less humans competing for more resources, in the modern world it is the opposite. What dominates in hunter-gatherer societies are physical traits such as speed, strength and endurance, not intelligence.

It's perplexing how they could get this so wrong unless there is a hidden agenda, in this case it seems to be the usual value inversion caused by slave morality. Tribal people are superior.
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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:15 pm

There is a basis to it.
Intelligence is advantageous in the environment that makes it necessary.

Intelligence is a tool, not a goal. It offers the advantage of perception and pre-emption. This advantage has proven so
dominant that man has, somewhat, liberated himself form natural processes.
He is now trying to liberate, detach, himself further.

This is where intelligence, this tool of survival, is proving to be self-destructive.
Intelligence, or the organism endowed with it, falls victim to its own success.
Once it liberates energies from basic survival needs, it is left in a leisurely void, and it turns upon itself.
This is the beginning of the contemplative attitude that eventually leads to nihilism.
When the mind lacks creativity, courage, willfulness, this excess leisure becomes ennui. The mind begins to question itself and its place in the world.
This can result in a state of despair…’peering into the void’ as Nietzsche said.

The Buddhists call it emptiness; this meditative state resulting in the experience of the inner void, which is the sensation of the lack of an absolute.

Some, few, react by creating what is lacking…with an act of will.
This is the masculine attitude. The feminine attitude, psychology, surrenders to the void, the increasing chaos, or grabs
unto the first thing that offers it a semblance of absolution: it is attracted to the masculine.

The many do not. They fall victim to despair and fear and run to the few who offer a manmade fulfillment…usually in the form of an Ideal.
Religions are based no exactly this process. A masculine teleology, giving relief to the many feminine, desperately lost, ones.
Here, we can see how intelligence once freed form tis necessity, producing excesses, in other words, can become self-destructive. It leads to a counter-survival
attitude, though the excess in leisure is a product of successful survival.
This is how genius and madness are related.

This is the first stage…Nihilism.
Schopenhauer was victim of it. Many ideologies fall to it.
It also relates to Sartre and his insight as to how man is terrified by his own freedom.
Here he is wrong, man is not free, but in relation to what I said, man is freer than he was. This freedom from basic needs is terrifying, because man does not
know what to do with himself.

Social systems bind man to an idea. They take this leisure and exploit it.
What I am talking about is a conundrum.
Intelligence below a certain level, freed from its original necessity to offer the organism survival advantages, becomes detrimental to the organisms’
survival.
But above a certain level it overcomes this paradox, leading to the higher types.
The ingredient of courage is essential.
Consider it from another viewpoint.

In environments characterized by scarcity, and where life is not guaranteed, intelligence is an advantage; in environments of superfluous energies where group cohesion is prevented by a self-awareness and sense of self, then intelligence is detrimental to survival. The mind cannot defer or surrender to the whole. It struggles to deal with the necessity to integrate itself and to remain distinct.

The system prefers the less intelligent, those with less of this sense of self, less identity (self-consciousness).
I know it’s a bit counter intuitive but
you must remember that genes are not concerned with anything but survival. The genes
that are detrimental to survival are not passed on and if some of these are the
ones that produce what we call intelligence then they are also eradicated.

Take a look around you. The less intelligent are producing like rabbits.
The more intelligent not so much, if at
all.
This is called dysgenics

The social system allows this and
promotes this, because certain types of awareness are detrimental to social harmony.

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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:02 am

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Take a look around you. The less intelligent are producing like rabbits.
The more intelligent not so much, if at
all.
This is called dysgenics
I've never heard of the term dysgenics before. Thanks, this is a very useful term.
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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:28 am

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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:23 pm

Recidivist wrote:
From the article:

Quote :
"And its unlikely that the evolutionary advantage of intelligence is greater than it was during our hunter-gatherer past, the paper argues."

How can the above sentence possibly be justified, when humans are the most intelligent animals on the planet and increasing urbanization has put them in direct competition with each other?

Quote :
"A hunter-gatherer who did not correctly conceive a solution to providing food or shelter probably died, along with his/her progeny, whereas a modern Wall Street executive that made a similar conceptual mistake would receive a substantial bonus and be a more attractive mate. Clearly, extreme selection is a thing of the past," the researchers write in the journal article."

How can it require greater intelligence to catch a much less intelligent creature, than to have to compete against similar intelligences for the same job? During the hunter-gatherer period there were less humans competing for more resources, in the modern world it is the opposite. What dominates in hunter-gatherer societies are physical traits such as speed, strength and endurance, not intelligence.

It's perplexing how they could get this so wrong unless there is a hidden agenda, in this case it seems to be the usual value inversion caused by slave morality. Tribal people are superior.

For one thing, leveling is simply a diminishing of exceptionalities, including both superiorities and inferiorities as measured along continua of traits relevant to social integration, towards a median, or towards some optimum level for social integration. Although in general, order decays into disorder, and disorder pressures an ordering reaction, the only hard and fast rule of Flux is constant change: sometimes what is labeled order degenerates into what is labeled disorder (empires decaying within the sheltered zones they have built), sometimes it trickles down into more order (first world nutrition), sometimes disorder pressures an ordering growth (war stimulating scientific and technological development), other times disorder fuels more disorder (third world malnutrition).

A soldier, for example, is strengthened in some ways, weakened in others. It is trained for neurological efficiency, tactical knowledge, muscular and cardiovascular effectiveness, but its autonomous will and sense of self are simultaneously diminished. It is a tapestry of ordering and disordering, that works to optimize the unit for functioning within the larger whole. A similar pattern occurs with civilian units, that function as parts in the larger civilized, post-industrialized social and economic system. In some ways, they are boosted; in others, they are reduced. Thus, by and large, they end up mediocre, just like the ant: efficient, functional, specialized, but narrow-sighted, dependent, unoriginal, unaware. The Flynn effect can probably be mainly interpreted as simply an average increase in the efficiency of processing instructions, and in an increase in the efficiency of dealing with pre-established systems and abstractions.

Secondly, it is important to remember that civilization has merely intensified the social sheltering of humans that has existed to one degree or another since sociality first evolved among humanity's ancestral populations. Even in Paleolithic times, humans were focused on competing with one another, to the partial exclusion of focusing on competing with nature in general. They hunted animals that were less intelligent than them, but they also brought this meat back to the camp and distributed it based on social hierarchies involving creatures as intelligent as them. By the same token, social competition is also not as simple as a function of resources per person, because once the population is cut off (to a degree) from physical reality, value is further abstracted, and sexual selection based on social status and finesse becomes prominent.
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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:38 pm

I agree with the above.

Some comments.

Ordering is a (re)action to disordering.

Without trying to be “negative,” because ordering takes effort whereas disordering just happens – is part of the experience we call linear time – this disordering is occurring at a faster rate than any (re)action to it.

This is why life, a form of order, is so rare and so delicate.
This is why masculinity and nobility is so precious.
It is an activity, an ordering, a (re)action perfectly aware of its coming failure, its mortality, and its inevitable final defeat,
but it persists…it fights on, it struggles on, it finds value and purpose in the fight itself: the Will to power…not attainment but forever to…towards.

Keeping this in mind, we must also remember that as entropy increases, the forms, the structures, required to (re)act to
it, resist, it, must become bigger, stronger, more complex.

This is why the tendency towards social
indoctrination is so powerful.
The resistance to both constitutes a dual front: a resistance to integration, loss of self within a bigger Self, and the
dumbing-down, this forces upon the individual (self-love is what is at paly here…also called ego) and, simultaneously, this ongoing resistance to entropic
decay, to chaos.


We can think of the masculine spirit, the
aristocratic spirit, as the true antithesis to the dualism of evil/good….chaos/order.



It is the spirit that drives minds to ascend
to the height, approaching a god-like ideal. The ideal is god, not to worship
Him but to be Him, while at the same time recognizing that this too is nihilism,
and so balancing it out with a grasp on the feminine.


The Hellenes spoke of balance.



I think of the female disposition as this
tendency towards chaos, attracted to order as its opposite, to surrender to;
the masculine disposition as this tendency towards order, attracted to chaos,
as something to dominate, to absorb into tis own order.
Both are nihilistic as they both lead to
an end…the teleos.


A balance would be the masculine not
denying or rejecting the feminine, but controlling and directing it.

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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:10 am

I've read a study that shows a slight drop in IQ in the mother and the father after a child is born. (With age the IQ drops anyways.) So IQ is something that is changing. Once the propagation of ones genes is accomplished, the brain takes a little bit of a rest. A nap. I am looking at a study now that suggests the IQ difference between parents of small and of large families. That of small families being higher of course. So IQ is connected to our biological program to propagate our genes. Once this is accomplished, a high IQ isn't needed anymore. So it drops automatically. Young people are smart, old people have knowledge.

To the initial question of this thread: look at Demographics. Immigrants from Africa and Islamic countries may increase their IQ-average over here, but this happens at a much slower pace, than the initial drop in the nations IQ avarage. Race mixing is another factor for a drop in IQ-averages.
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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:17 pm

I.Q. is but a factor.

I know smart men who make the stupidest mistakes and believe in the most ridiculous things, because their intellect is clouded by cowardice and need...particularly sexual need.

Age might also drop I.Q.
I know that I'm not quite as quick and sharp as I was ten years ago.

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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:07 pm

IQ can also be devided into subsections of analytical skills. East Asians for example are exceeding in one part and are only average in another. I forgot which ones.
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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:22 am

In Japan they play Sudoku. This should be a method to increase one's logical thinking. I am not sure, but I think this might have an effect on the IQ too.
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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Sun Mar 24, 2013 1:59 pm

I don't agree with this anymore, and you guys are kind of confirming why.

Analytic thinking isn't the only form of thinking out there.

Synthetic thinking exists as well. It involves having a sense of self-respect in preserving one's attention economy for more important matters while humiliating others into thinking for you about mundane matters.

Analysis is something that losers do because they have to, and I don't mean that offensively. I'm just saying that those who are outcast to the bottom and fringe of society are compelled to solve problems because it's the only way they know how to fit in. Furthermore, if they don't, they'll become victimized themselves.

It's like a Captain of the Titanic expecting the passengers on the bottom decks to turn the steering wheel.

Furthermore, analysis isn't fun. It's work, and people (even rational people) don't want to work. They want to play as much as possible. People don't want to figure out what's necessary to make things happen. They just want to mix things around and figure out what's possible.
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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:59 pm

Can you describe a form of thinking not based on a necessity?
Thinking, itself, evolved to meet an organic requirement.

We are all "losers" because we all start off as ignorant, lost, and weak.
Society is not the only thing man wants to fit into...nature is another system, another society of otherness.

I sense a prejudice...as if you've been affected by some other source of analysis.
If you think this is a forum populated by those "outcasts" wanting to "fit in", then be more direct.
I think some misconstrue (inter)action as always being a form of wanting to belong, to be assimilated within.
If a hunter analyzes his prey, is he trying to be like them or think like them to kill them?

Is empathy always directed towards sympathy and compassion?

Let me give you a real=world scenario:
What if a herd is interested in numbers, finding comfort and safety in them.
What if it excludes all those that threaten this cohesion and drive them off, en mass...like cows, circling their calves.
What if the predators return, time and time again...do the cows think they are interesting, or valuable, because so much attention is offered them by creatures who do not wish to be amongst them or be a part of their herd?

The herd wonders why these creatures return to disturb them..and they inevitably conclude upon an agreed upon flattering solution.
They, driven by herd-psychology, must preserve self-worth, and so their analysis always leads them to safety.

What if the predators have already achieve their goal by the time they are excluded?
Do you see Mo?
He's a stray from a herd, infiltrated, stressed, made to go wild...and now trying to comfort themselves with self-flattering analysis.
"Why do they come here, if they think of us as worthless?" they ask.

Predation...is the answer.
If this is a mimetic war, a War like no Other, then would not the prey be the mind; would not the teeth and nails be the words; would not the driving force be the meme, the Ideal, rather than the gene, the Real?
Therefore, the motive, other than fun, - because predators often toy with their victims - is to find, amongst the many, in the herd, that one....that one that is not fully theirs...and to liberate him/her; to give him an alternative.

ALL thinking is synthetic, because it combines, it synthesizes, abstractions, into cohesive models....unless you mean it in another way.

What is synthetic thinking, and how does it differ from analytical?

ALL thinking is rooted in a lack; in a weakness.
All thinking is a product of weakness...and it involves "work," effort, agon...
Can you name one which is not?

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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:30 pm

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Can you describe a form of thinking not based on a necessity?
Thinking, itself, evolved to meet an organic requirement.

Well quite literally, synthesis is about bringing possibilities together. You synthesize thesis and antithesis. That's in contrast to analysis which is the generation of thesis ex nihilo.

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We are all "losers" because we all start off as ignorant, lost, and weak.
Society is not the only thing man wants to fit into...nature is another system, another society of otherness.

Eh... many are born into elite insider social status. They have analysis bestowed upon them.

You especially see this when elites mention how individualists are atomizing society. Elites want to preserve their conception of the sublime by expecting individuals to conform to authority and preserve social organs/organizations/organisms.

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I sense a prejudice...as if you've been affected by some other source of analysis.
If you think this is a forum populated by those "outcasts" wanting to "fit in", then be more direct.
I think some misconstrue (inter)action as always being a form of wanting to belong, to be assimilated within.
If a hunter analyzes his prey, is he trying to be like them or think like them to kill them?

Is empathy always directed towards sympathy and compassion?

Let me give you a real=world scenario:
What if a herd is interested in numbers, finding comfort and safety in them.
What if it excludes all those that threaten this cohesion and drive them off, en mass...like cows, circling their calves.
What if the predators return, time and time again...do the cows think they are interesting, or valuable, because so much attention is offered them by creatures who do not wish to be amongst them or be a part of their herd?

The herd wonders why these creatures return to disturb them..and they inevitably conclude upon an agreed upon flattering solution.
They, driven by herd-psychology, must preserve self-worth, and so their analysis always leads them to safety.

What if the predators have already achieve their goal by the time they are excluded?
Do you see Mo?
He's a stray from a herd, infiltrated, stressed, made to go wild...and now trying to comfort themselves with self-flattering analysis.
"Why do they come here, if they think of us as worthless?" they ask.

Predation...is the answer.
If this is a mimetic war, a War like no Other, then would not the prey be the mind; would not the teeth and nails be the words; would not the driving force be the meme, the Ideal, rather than the gene, the Real?
Therefore, the motive, other than fun, - because predators often toy with their victims - is to find, amongst the many, in the herd, that one....that one that is not fully theirs...and to liberate him/her; to give him an alternative.

ALL thinking is synthetic, because it combines, it synthesizes, abstractions, into cohesive models....unless you mean it in another way.

What is synthetic thinking, and how does it differ from analytical?

ALL thinking is rooted in a lack; in a weakness.
All thinking is a product of weakness...and it involves "work," effort, agon...
Can you name one which is not?

OK. I guess we agree then. Society isn't dumbing down because it's focusing on synthesis instead of analysis.
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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:55 am

Analysis, for me, is generating a thesis from observation.

Society IS dumbing-down....severely.
Art is a reflection of it.

One way elites preserve control is by seeking a form of individuality founded on consumer choices and production value.
Husbandry, in regards to controlling masses of humans, has advanced to this point. No violence or overt control required.
You raise a mind to be contained within limits, you place it in a box, cutting it off from the past (nature), and you allow the natural psychological needs for acceptance, guidance, belong, meaning, to take over.

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PostSubject: Re: Are Humans Becoming Less Intelligent?   Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:26 pm

Satyr wrote:
Analysis, for me, is generating a thesis from observation.

Society IS dumbing-down....severely.
Art is a reflection of it.

One way elites preserve control is by seeking a form of individuality founded on consumer choices and production value.
Husbandry, in regards to controlling masses of humans, has advanced to this point. No violence or overt control required.
You raise a mind to be contained within limits, you place it in a box, cutting it off from the past (nature), and you allow the natural psychological needs for acceptance, guidance, belong, meaning, to take over.

What you described sounds like synthesis. Literally, you're synthesizing a schematic with phenomena to reach conclusion.

I agree that art has been dumbed down, but what you're going on about violence... is weird.

Art is about ontology. It describes the schematic by which culture is cultivated.

First, culture cultivates with the agreeable where art is just pleasant.

Then, it cultivates the beautiful where art symbolizes something else with purpose.

Lastly, it cultivates the sublime where art overwhelms the senses.

Making love is a good example of this. You can make love rashly just to find agreeable relief. You can make love beautifully by symbolizing what's really going on in flirting and teasing another's body. You can make love subliminally by deeply immersing yourselves in one another and finding a rhythm that lets you get lost, possibly even falling asleep in each other's arms and legs.

I don't know what you said at the end. It sounds disconnected.
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