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PostSubject: Value-Judgements Value-Judgements EmptyTue Nov 15, 2022 8:26 am

All value judgements are triangulations: Subject (subjective, judgment, interpretation) --- Action (interaction, behaviour, movement, momentum, motive choice) --- Objective (goal, ideal).
The consequences of this movement from subjective towards objective determines the subject's accuracy; the quality of its interpretation - its truth.

So, the subject, moves towards its objective and the world determines if it succeeds or fails, revealing the accuracy of its judgment, the effectiveness of its action, and the attainability of its objective.

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Morality (genetic) becomes Ethics (memetic), and both have an objective.
Morality evolves with the objective of maintaining and enhancing group cohesion, measured by the quantity of the group, over time.
Ethics multiplies this - like gender is the cultural application of sexual reproductive roles, ethics is the cultural application of evolved moral behaviours, encoded and presented as divine in origin, to increase their effect.
Sacrificing the individual to preserve the group is the motive of morality/ethics.

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PostSubject: Re: Value-Judgements Value-Judgements EmptyTue Nov 15, 2022 8:36 am

Fabricating an unattainable objective - by defining it out of existence - is a political method of controlling subjects and their actions (choices).
Constant failure maintains them in a state of insecurity, losing trust in their own judgments, promoting their dependence on charlatans who present themselves as agencies of the divine, offering a way of attaining what is unattainable - Abrahamism is such a political method using dogma to promote an unattainable, unreal, ideal.

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Cynicism is the ultimate conclusion of all pure nihilists, if they do not take their own lives.
Having defined their objectives out of existence they continuously fail, and so laugh at all who attempt to attain any objective as doomed to failure.
They laugh at the absurdity they've manufactured for themselves, as a way of justifying their failures; the loss of self-respect, and trust in themselves, if projected outward as arbitrarily stringent skepticism.
They trust nobody because they cannot trust their own judgments - their own choices, their own motives, their own perceptions.
Their own failings become universal truths, finding in collective losers, or slaves, a place to disappear, and only strive for attention through his brutal cynicism, offering tears of laughter to his fellow nihilists, so as to not drown in tears of sorrow.
The only certainty remains pleasure, and so degeneracy is inevitable.
Pleasure in the Schopenhauer sense, of a brief reprieve from existential suffering.
One brief moment necessitating another, and another, until excess is the path towards salvation.

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PostSubject: Re: Value-Judgements Value-Judgements EmptyTue Nov 15, 2022 9:00 am

What we value has no innate value, but only relative to our objectives, and our evaluation of the efforts required to attain them.
Our evolutions may be exaggerated, based on an over- under-etimation of ourselves, the effort required to attain our objectives, and of the objective itself.
Our values may be entirely valueless when the objective is unattainable, and may exist only in our minds, projected forth as an unreal destination we can never reach, but can, for a lifetime, only hope to reach.

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Values cannot be static, unless we believe in static absolute states, because the subject, the objective and consequently the effort required to reach our objective, are all dynamic - fluctuating in space/time, moving though we feel we are remaining still; all is in a state of flux, viz., all is interacting and suffering attrition (only life experiencing this suffering) i.e., increasing possibilities (spatial expansion) and increasing chaos (reduction of order, of patterns).

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Any objective evaluation of a subjective value-judgement necessitates this triangulation, first from the subject's perspective and then from the third-person perspective of an uninvolved observer, then comparing them in relation to expected and actual consequences.

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A Christian's intent and expected consequences, expressing a subjective judgement through the act of choice, ought to be compared with actual consequences - with no mitigating agency - to establish its accuracy.
The same should be done with every individual mind governed by a dogma or an ideology.

All should be compared to the moral standards of the group, expressing an established, through trial and error over time, method of maintaining and enhancing group cohesion and group health.

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PostSubject: Re: Value-Judgements Value-Judgements EmptyWed Nov 16, 2022 4:18 pm

Therefore, although different individuals value different objectives differently, not all subjective evaluations are equal nor equally attainable, because all subjective interpretations and evaluations of subject (self), objective (other, ideal) and effort (movement, distance) between the two vary in degree of over- under-estimaiton, all the way up to the extreme of a nil and/or an unattainable singularity.
But this does not affect the world which determines if this assessment is realistic and/or realizable, and to what degree it is.

The aforementioned triangulation - subjective/movement/objective - takes place within the world, which remains indifferent to all triangulations and determines their success/failure, or the degree of their accuracy.

A tribulation is followed by application which is then followed bey a re-evalaution - a re-tringultion - adjusting by perceived evaluated errors, and then reapplication.
If the error is identified and the degree approximated, then success follows, but if not then error continues and multiplies.
A subjective mind unable to inaccurately identify the source of its error, nor estimate/approximate tis degree, will continuously fail, suffering the consequences.
Usually, such psychologies project the error upon the objective, or the effort/movement required to attain it, but never find the error in the subject (conscious agency) and tis interpretations and evaluations.
Sometimes the error is placed entirely in the subject, absolving the objective of all error, or absolving the subject's interpretations/evaluations of the objective of all error.
The objective remains perfect, e.g., Abrahamism and tis conception of a one-god - an unattainable, unreal, objective, condemning the subject to a lifetime of failure and shame/guilt.
A psychological form of control.

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Therefore, although different individuals value different objectives differently, not all subjective evaluations are equal nor equally attainable, because all subjective interpretations and evaluations of subject (self), objective (other, ideal) and effort (movement, distance) between the two vary in degree of over- under-estimaiton, all the way up to the extreme of a nil and/or an unattainable singularity.
But this does not affect the world which determines if this assessment is realistic and/or realizable, and to what degree it is.

The aforementioned triangulation - subjective/movement/objective - takes place within the world, which remains indifferent to all triangulations and determines their success/failure, or the degree of their accuracy.

A tribulation is followed by application which is then followed bey a re-evalaution - a re-tringultion - adjusting by perceived evaluated errors, and then reapplication.
If the error is identified and the degree approximated, then success follows, but if not then error continues and multiplies.
A subjective mind unable to inaccurately identify the source of its error, nor estimate/approximate tis degree, will continuously fail, suffering the consequences.
Usually, such psychologies project the error upon the objective, or the effort/movement required to attain it, but never find the error in the subject (conscious agency) and tis interpretations and evaluations.
Sometimes the error is placed entirely in the subject, absolving the objective of all error, or absolving the subject's interpretations/evaluations of the objective of all error.
The objective remains perfect, e.g., Abrahamism and tis conception of a one-god - an unattainable, unreal, objective, condemning the subject to a lifetime of failure and shame/guilt.
A psychological form of control.  
It follows that the only source of error can only ever be the subject and its subjective interpretations/evaluations of a real or unreal/unrealizable objective, of itself, and of the effort required to reach this real or unreal objective.
The subject is the conscious agency creating this triangulation and suffering the consequences.
The cosmos/world this triangulation takes place remains indifferent and unaffected, though it is what determines success/failure, or the accuracy of the subject's interpretations/evaluations, i.e., judgements.

Every triangulation, every objective and judgements identify and expose the subject, through its subjective judgments, and the choices that follow from them - furthermore every objective, whether attainable (realizable) or unattainable (unrealizable) creates a particular type of subject; seducing, attracting, at first, a particular kind of subject and then cultivating their shared traits, relative to their shared objectives.

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Every triangulation, every objective and judgements identify and expose the subject, through its subjective judgments, and the choices that follow from them - furthermore every objective, whether attainable (realizable) or unattainable (unrealizable) creates a particular type of subject; seducing, attracting, at first, a particular kind of subject and then cultivating their shared traits, relative to their shared objectives.
Such collectives develop, in time, shared interpretations/evaluations of their shared objective (ideal), of the effort required to attain it (method, way), and adopt a shared standard of evaluating themselves, relative to their common objective, viz., religions, ideologies, produce inter-subjective triangulations or shared real or unreal objectives.
Abrahamism is such an inter-subjective collectivized triangulation, based on an unreal (unrealizable, unattainable) objective, intentionally unattainable, used to control a collective.

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'Thing' is how the brain interprets/translated interactivity, or dynamic patterns - reducing them to a manageable level, an abstraction.

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Society does not exist in a vacuum nor does it emerge from nothing and nowhere. It exists within a world, i.e., cosmos, nature.

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All value-judgements are objectified when they are continuously adjusted to input that reinforces or contradicts them.
Confidence is a product of success and its decline is the consequence of failure, so all vlaue-judgements, for an objective thinker (realist) rise and fall according to their exposure to external data: what contradicts them lowers confidence in their validity; what corroborates them increases confidence in their validity.

Data that has been faced and overcome no longer affects the objective thinker.
He need not repeat his response to the challenge when ti has been given, exposing the challenger as being insufficient.
This may give the impression of being intolerant to all challenges when ti is simply a reluctance to return to what has already been dealt with - like a fighter who refuses to fight challengers he had fought when he was still developing his fighting skills.

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As I've noted elsewhere, this triangulation in vlaue-judgments exposes the individual to three sources of error - often in the form of over- under-estimaiton of himself, his objective, and the effort required to attain it - the latter is usually a synthesis of the other two.

1- Evaluation of self - Know Thyself is crucial.
Reducing over- under-estimating oneself requires empathy - not sympathy/antipathy, i.e., empty free of emotion and ego; the ability to perceive oneself from a third person perspective.

2- Evaluating the objective, goal, destination - empirically evaluating its reality, its attainability.
Reducing over- under-estimating one's objective also requires empathy - observing those who have attained what you strive towards, and evaluating their disappointment or contentment.
Knowing oneself, as a prerequisite, can then place oneself in the other's position - empathically - to evaluate one's own probable gratification.
Most often the objective is unattainable to some or to all who strive to move towards it.
The use of an unattainable objective is also a way of cultivating continuous state of lack of confidence, cultivating dependence on those who then promise to compensate, or who promise to act as mediator between the insecure subject and his objective.

3- Effort required to bridge the distance between subject and his objective, is dynamic, not only because the subject's energies are fluctuating, in time and in space, but also because the objective, if realizable, is part of existence which is dynamic and fluctuating.
Therefore, the required effort is constantly being adjusted, and prone to over- under-estimating corruptions - as confidence rises and falls.
The additional factor of other subjective agencies is here integrated as part of the effort required to attain an objective.
If the objective is popular then this adjusts a subject's vlaue-judgement relative to his self-appreciation

Triangulation is a dynamic process of constant adjustments - value-judgments are never static but fluctuating, falling within a range shifting upwards or downwards on a probability scale.

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