Surrender and Sexual Predation

Lyssa wrote:

You keep showing a clear proclivity for hiding, i can only understand as much as you are willing to show me.

What would you like to know?

Mo wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

You keep showing a clear proclivity for hiding, i can only understand as much as you are willing to show me.

What would you like to know?

It was your accusation, not my expectation:

"Satyr thinks I hide, but has 15 different incompatible labels for me."

Lyssa wrote:

Mo wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

You keep showing a clear proclivity for hiding, i can only understand as much as you are willing to show me.

What would you like to know?

It was your accusation, not my expectation:

"Satyr thinks I hide, but has 15 different incompatible labels for me."

What would you like to know?

I care for my own kind....my blood my memetic brethren.
For turds I care not...but they assume that love is deserved by all, indiscriminately, and in the either or, of universal love or no love, their non-exclusion, cannot register when they were raised in all-inclusive bullshit.

So, when you reject a lover, she accuses you of being loveless, and when you reject a potential friend, he imagines you friendless, and when you reject a dimwit, he thinks you dimless.

Mo wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

Mo wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

You keep showing a clear proclivity for hiding, i can only understand as much as you are willing to show me.

What would you like to know?

It was your accusation, not my expectation:

"Satyr thinks I hide, but has 15 different incompatible labels for me."

What would you like to know?

How you think Satyr's positions are flawed and your own positions are superior to his.

Moooooooooooo wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

Mo wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

You keep showing a clear proclivity for hiding, i can only understand as much as you are willing to show me.

What would you like to know?

It was your accusation, not my expectation:

"Satyr thinks I hide, but has 15 different incompatible labels for me."

What would you like to know?

This, Lyssa, is the moment of clarity.
The need to be asked.
The mysteriousness of the cowboy, with his hat pulled low, in the shadows.

What does he hide, this man of mystery/
Who is brave enough to approach and ask?
Until then, he'll shoot blanks, not begging for attention.

He wants to be wooed.

Lyssa wrote:

phoneutria wrote:

Understand the meaning of walking barefoot, dear.
I've thrown out my stilettos. I no longer care for that kind of pain.

What makes you continue to care for the flaws of your husband and the pain he gives you?

Two black eyes becoming blacker...

are you a masochist?

My son.

Lyssa wrote:

How you think Satyr is flawed and your own positions are superior to his.

One of Satyr's flaws is that he doesn't know the difference between description and justification. When asked to justify a description (such as by quoting evidence of the description) he never does.

For example, ask him to justify his claim (in this thread) that "Socrates preached a singular God". He can't, and won't. And when it comes to other people, he'll never admit that he was wrong either, or at least for me.

I want to be able to answer your question, but if you ask something like, "Explain why all of your positions in general are superior to his" ---that is not a manageable or answerable question. Give me an actual topic; ask an actual question, if there really is something you want to know.

phoneutria wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

phoneutria wrote:

Understand the meaning of walking barefoot, dear.
I've thrown out my stilettos. I no longer care for that kind of pain.

What makes you continue to care for the flaws of your husband and the pain he gives you?

Two black eyes becoming blacker...

are you a masochist?

My son.

That ought to be temporary endurance then.

Keep strong.

Lyssa wrote:

phoneutria wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

phoneutria wrote:

Understand the meaning of walking barefoot, dear.
I've thrown out my stilettos. I no longer care for that kind of pain.

What makes you continue to care for the flaws of your husband and the pain he gives you?

Two black eyes becoming blacker...

are you a masochist?

My son.

That ought to be temporary endurance then.

Keep strong.

EDIT: Keep strong as in --- could also find a way to raise that flaw into something enjoyable, appreciable.

Did not Plato write that Socrates, after returning to Athens, renewed and all the wiser, had found wisdom in a Thracian's words, about a monotheistic God?

Satyr wrote:

For turds I care not...but they assume that love is deserved by all, indiscriminately, and in the either or, of universal love or no love, their non-exclusion, cannot register when they were raised in all-inclusive bullshit.

Is this an accusation? Can you justify any of it?

phoneutria wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

phoneutria wrote:

Understand the meaning of walking barefoot, dear.
I've thrown out my stilettos. I no longer care for that kind of pain.

What makes you continue to care for the flaws of your husband and the pain he gives you?

Two black eyes becoming blacker...

are you a masochist?

My son.

This is fuckin' sad.

If what she alludes to is fact....

Mo wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

How you think Satyr is flawed and your own positions are superior to his.

One of Satyr's flaws is that he doesn't know the difference between description and justification. When asked to justify a description (such as by quoting evidence of the description) he never does.

For example, ask him to justify his claim (in this thread) that "Socrates preached a singular God". He can't, and won't. And when it comes to other people, he'll never admit that he was wrong either, or at least for me.[/quote]

Is that not knowing a difference, or letting you do your homework?

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I want to be able to answer your question, but if you ask something like, "Explain why all of your positions in general are superior to his" ---that is not a manageable or answerable question. Give me an actual topic; ask an actual question, if there really is something you want to know.

Your views on race, how are you deriving value-standards, what kind of society and future you envision.

What are your guiding ideals?

Satyr wrote:

phoneutria wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

phoneutria wrote:

Understand the meaning of walking barefoot, dear.
I've thrown out my stilettos. I no longer care for that kind of pain.

What makes you continue to care for the flaws of your husband and the pain he gives you?

Two black eyes becoming blacker...

are you a masochist?

My son.

This is fuckin' sad.

If what she alludes to is fact....

Not every flaw has to be a curse.

It could be a stimulus to something richer.

Its the highest trees that have the most terrible roots.

One goes with the other.

So it depends on what she wants. If she wants to climb the heights, then the pain is justifiable.

Mo wrote:

Is this an accusation? Can you justify any of it?

Yes...I read it....can't recall where at the moment.
Lyssa has a memory for books.

Dear Lyssa, was it in Plato himself or in Sloterdjik or was it Strauss?
Maybe you can find the quote for me.

But what is funny, is that you grab unto a most recent statement which has little bearing on the meat of the subject.
You are desperate man-child.
you can't challenge my views, only the academic references and deference.

Are you saying Plato, through Socrates, did not support a monotheistic religion, boy?


What a stupid degenerate you are.
You gave a hint when you opened your mouth, expressing pride at being the best" Nietzsche scholar around these parts.

Lyssa wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

phoneutria wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

phoneutria wrote:

Understand the meaning of walking barefoot, dear.
I've thrown out my stilettos. I no longer care for that kind of pain.

What makes you continue to care for the flaws of your husband and the pain he gives you?

Two black eyes becoming blacker...

are you a masochist?

My son.

That ought to be temporary endurance then.

Keep strong.

EDIT:  Keep strong as in --- could also find a way to raise that flaw into something enjoyable, appreciable.

You asked for an answer and I gave it. Now I must leave you and your master to speculations, as I have no desire to speak publicly about this.
If there are more questions you care to ask, I may answer privately, but I see none here.

I'd like my windmill painted yellow.

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For turds I care not...but they assume that love is deserved by all, indiscriminately, and in the either or, of universal love or no love, their non-exclusion, cannot register when they were raised in all-inclusive bullshit

Is this an accusation? Can you justify any of it?

Quote :

But what is funny, is that you grab unto a most recent statement which has little bearing on the meat of the subject.
You are desperate man-child.
you can't challenge my views, only the academic references and deference.

I just asked you to. Read it.

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Are you saying Plato, through Socrates, did not support a monotheistic religion, boy?

Yes, that's right. Socrates in the Apology says he believes in the Gods. Not God. The same Gods that everyone else in the city does. And there was no monotheism at the time. ...And that's shortly before Socrates dies. (So, that's what he fucking thinks). Am I wrong? Possibly.

Satyr wrote:

Mo wrote:

Is this an accusation? Can you justify any of it?

Yes...I read it....can't recall where at the moment.
Lyssa has a memory for books.

Dear Lyssa, was it in Plato himself or in Sloterdjik or was it Strauss?
Maybe you can find the quote for me.

Lampert. How Philosophy became Socratic.

"Plato inaugurated his political project for philosophy within the Homeric tradition, but the sovereign monotheism that usurped his philosophy via his non-Homeric novelties managed to allege that it retained the best of the Hellenic while in fact erasing the genuinely Hellenic and overwriting it with Platonism."

phoneutria wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

phoneutria wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

phoneutria wrote:

Understand the meaning of walking barefoot, dear.
I've thrown out my stilettos. I no longer care for that kind of pain.

What makes you continue to care for the flaws of your husband and the pain he gives you?

Two black eyes becoming blacker...

are you a masochist?

My son.

That ought to be temporary endurance then.

Keep strong.

EDIT:  Keep strong as in --- could also find a way to raise that flaw into something enjoyable, appreciable.

You asked for an answer and I gave it. Now I must leave you and your master to speculations, as I have no desire to speak publicly about this.
If there are more questions you care to ask, I may answer privately, but I see none here.

I'd like my windmill painted yellow.

Okay.

Lyssa wrote:

"Plato inaugurated his political project for philosophy within the Homeric tradition, but the sovereign monotheism that usurped his philosophy via his non-Homeric novelties managed to allege that it retained the best of the Hellenic while in fact erasing the genuinely Hellenic and overwriting it with Platonism."

Lampert may have justified whatever he thought, somewhere. But you haven't, by quoting him.

Want a simpler example? Quote me saying "just because"...

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Mooooooooooo wrote:

Is this an accusation? Can you justify any of it?

I am talking about turds...are you one?

Mooooooooooo wrote:

Yes, that's right. Socrates in the Apology says he believes in the Gods. Not God. The same Gods that everyone else in the city does. And there was no monotheism at the time. ...And that's shortly before Socrates dies. (So, that's what he fucking thinks). Am I wrong? Possibly.

Lyssa gave you a reference, hypocrite.

What Socrates believed and what he said may not be the same.

He came back from the war with an idea he picked-up from [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Some speculate that this Thracian had come in contact with Zoroastrianism, and Socrates came into contact with monotheism there.

Some say he considered it a good idea, because it offered an authority to the youth...and so Socrates is considered, by some one of the prophets for the coming of Jesus.
That Plato's idealism was integrated into Christianity, is not accidental.

But beyond all that, Lyssa asked you what ideas of mine you disagreed with, man-child.

"But already it is time to depart, for me to die, for you to go on living which of us takes the better course, is concealed from anyone except God." [Socrates, Apology - last line.]

"The end of life is to be like God, and the soul following God will be like Him." [ib.] [??]

Satyr wrote:

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Is this an accusation? Can you justify any of it?

I am talking about turds...are you one?

You are a fucking coward. You are talking to me, if you have something to say, then direct it at me.

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What Socrates believed and what he said may not be the same.

To justify your thinking Socrates that said X, you have to quote Socrates.

Better yet, justify the puke that has been coming out of your face for MONTHS... Quote me saying, "just because"...

gtg.

Satyr wrote:

phoneeee wrote:

What is sad is to take "just a man" and create a godly illusion upon it.

Woman, you and your cultivation project, the man-child, give me the material....
Should I say "just because," it's "spontaneous"?

I am "just a man".
And you?
A spider.  

phoneeee wrote:

Because she must believe... because, what is there beyond that belief? What would she do if she had no one to care for her? Who would feel the void of god within her?

Are you dropping your knickers in public dear?
For-shame.

To have only faith in the nothingness, to surrender to its inevitability...to die before you are dead.

Your caricatures have nothing to do with me.
I do not cling to an ideal of a man. I have said it over and over.
It id not my view. It is Lyssa's.

If you take material from me, and shape it into a misinterpretation that is not only absurd, but also opposite to what was said, can you fault me for calling you senile?

There is no noble hunter. There is no sovereign huntress. How many times do I have to say this... should I smack you in the face with it, so it will make a nice red print on your cheek?

Raising expectations and measuring men to one such myth is not the work of my mind. It is Lyssa's.

I expect perfection from no one, including myself.

Mo wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

"Plato inaugurated his political project for philosophy within the Homeric tradition, but the sovereign monotheism that usurped his philosophy via his non-Homeric novelties managed to allege that it retained the best of the Hellenic while in fact erasing the genuinely Hellenic and overwriting it with Platonism."

Lampert may have justified whatever he thought, somewhere. But you haven't, by quoting him.

Want a simpler example? Quote me saying "just because"...

It was in the ChatBox, coward.

I don't know if it is preserved in the texts I've saved, because the ChatBox archives erase all lines over a certain number...and your tet-a-tets with Phoneee your mentor went into the night, for pages.
Buy the time I got to save them most of the text was gone.

Are you saying you never said that?
Please, do say that's what you are saying.
We'll both know, then, won't we?
We'll know what you are.

Satyr wrote:

Are you saying you never said that?
Please, do say that's what you are saying.
We'll both know, then, won't we?
We'll know what you are.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I am telling you that you are full of shit. You go on about "just because" for months. I quoted what I said for you, which is posted here still. You ignore it. It's there, still. Why should I play this game of whac-a-mole?

you also continue to use spontaneous as something without a cause, which we have all already agreed was a mistake on your part

Mo wrote:

Satyr wrote:

Are you saying you never said that?
Please, do say that's what you are saying.
We'll both know, then, won't we?
We'll know what you are.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I am telling you that you are full of shit. You go on about "just because" for months. I quoted what I said for you, which is posted here still. You ignore it. It's there, still. Why should I play this game of whac-a-mole?

Did you or did you not say "just because" to the infinite regress of "why?" you offered like a damn man-child?

Did you not say "just because", boy?

Did not Phoneee, you are being mentored by, say "spontaneous" to explain pleasure?
Did she not say i was "just a man"?

fuckin' cowards.