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PostSubject: Re: Words Words - Page 19 EmptyMon May 17, 2021 12:57 pm

When I use the words "nature" or "world" or "reality" I do not only mean the world governed by what man has discovered as patterns within ordered patterns - calling them "Laws of Nature" or "Laws of Logic" - this focuses on the perceived world of order - the world man can perceive - physis.

What I include is the entire gamut in what I've presented as a triad:
Physis/Metaphysis/Ideal-Objective

Chaos is part of metaphysics - that which empresses itself through physis, just as chaos presents itself to man via order, viz., its subatomic, quantum, interactions with what we call matter/energy, i.e., order, patterns.
Since chaotic energies cannot unify so as to become apparent to our senses - senses only require sensitivity to facilitate survival - they can only be perceived through how they affect what can be perceived, viz., through subtle, unforeseen, modifications of the perceived - via change and how with each repetition the previous is not repeated exactly.

So, when I say "nature" I do not only mean what has been determined - the immutable past - but also what is continuously being determined - in the dynamic present - with our own continuous participation - conscious or not - in relation to what has yet to be determined - in the presently being determined future.
To simply:
Every one of us, as existent, is participating and contributing to what is being determined - we are part of the causal chain; with every choice we determine the future....with every choice of one and not another, we contribute. We are willful agencies - different from will-less matter/energy.
Life is not a stone.

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Semiotics - words/symbols acquire independent meaning - objectivity - when they are anchored in physis.
From this starting point they can proceed to connect with metaphysis and ideology/dogma.

If, on the other hand, they begin from attempting to anchor themselves in either metaphysis or ideology/dogma and then attempt to connect to physis they become disconnected and meaningless, only able to affect minds conditioned to react to them in specific ways - indoctrinated minds within a philosophical metaphysics or a political/religious ideology/dogma.
Nihilism is the term I use to describe the latter.

Concepts anchored linguistically to physis, i.e., the observable, experienced world, are never arbitrary nor dependent on subjective interpretations.
They remain fixed, or as fixed as they can be in a dynamic fluctuating cosmos - nevertheless they remain relatively stable and independent from motives or needs/desires.

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PostSubject: Re: Words Words - Page 19 EmptyThu May 20, 2021 6:42 am

McGilchrist, Iain wrote:
Few artists of the period have escaped the problem entirely; many have not escaped it at all. But this fact is carefully obscured, I believe, by two tendencies in the criticism of modernism (themselves both modernist tendencies). The first is a willingness to accept an explicit manifesto or message (again, as in the Enlightenment) as a substitute for imaginative experience: this is often an apparently coded message, which thereby flatters the decoder. We seem to see art, where we have nothing more than a text. The other tendency complements it: in the absence of a message we tend to ‘stare’ at it until it is freighted with meaning. It's rather like the projections we make into a Rorschach blot. We mistake our lonely monologue for a dialogue. Tristan Tzara, one of the founders of Dadaism, rather gave the game away when he proclaimed, at the outset of modernism, that art had become ‘a private affair – the artist produces it for himself’, and judgment had become completely subjective.
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And this carries over into so called “philosophy” when it rambles on incoherently about obscure concepts, delivered via inappropriately applied terminology and supported by impressive references to iconic figures that are supposed to alleviate skepticism and quiet doubt.

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At first the term "god" referred to whatever man could not understand, then it became a term which referred to what man used to cope with is his anxiety in relation to what man could not understand, becoming a term referring to what man could not justify nor make comprehensible.
Ignorance is the source of divinity. Man exalts what he feels threatened by, attempting to coerce, seduce, or bribe his way out of a corner.

By giving the incomprehensible, and then the unjustifiable and unreasonable, a name man felt that he made it more intimate.

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Soul & Spirit are two of those words that have been corrupted over the centuries – increasingly associated with Abrahamics abstractions with no references outside the mind. If we are to attempt to anchor them upon reality – "bring them down to earth" – then we may use "soul" to refer to disembodied mind – immortal in that its products can be converted to codes, i.e., art, that will outlive the brain that created them – and "spirit" to refer to embodied mind, able to encompass multiple bodies into a collective the mind can identify with and disappear within, undying as long as its comrades continue on and recall its memories.

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When we use words like value, will, intent, judgment, choice, need, suffering, desire, we are referring to organic life, applicable to biology or psychology, and not applicable to anything beyond other than in reference to subjectivity and tis perspectivism, containing reality within the organic minds - realm of noetics, semiotics and abstractions, i.e., ideologies, theories.
An interpretation of the existent often called "world" - as such mind is world-creator in that it exists within its own constructs - interpretations of sensual data, from external sources, mixed - synthesized - with data from internal sources.
This synthesis is what manifests as mind, and what is referred to as 'god,' or 'spirit,' or 'soul,' = god being the idealization of embodied - mind/body synthesis - soul, or as disembodied 'spirit'.
Disembodied mind feels as a god, creator of worlds; embodied mind, soul, feels immortal, not restricted by the body it is a manifestation of - feeling "above," transcending the physical.
At first as a disembodied external agency - a one-god, projection of an idealized self - and then as an embodied agency - a god, projecting an idealized ego.

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PostSubject: Re: Words Words - Page 19 EmptyWed Jun 30, 2021 5:11 pm

There is, of course, no magic, as it is conventionally understood. But there are magical spells, cast verbally.
Words can affect the mind like medicine can affect the body, whether it is presented as pharmakon, delivered via a pill or a placebo.

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PostSubject: Re: Words Words - Page 19 EmptyWed Aug 04, 2021 9:39 pm

Language/Words are the expression of a person's thoughts, beliefs, feelings, and emotions.

The ability of a person to accurately and convincingly present these (which is an Artform) is a direct signifier of general intelligence.

Illiterate and Unintelligent people, readily demonstrate their lack of logic, rationality, knowledge, and common sense, via language.


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How does one break out of the self-referential nihilistic paradigm?
How does one begin to stop being a chosen one of the book, by the book, for the book?
How does one start to reconnect with reality, with nature, with existence?

First step
Reconnect words to actions.
Return language to its original utility of mediating between ideas (abstractions, noumena) and the real (apparent, interactive).
Begin with simple concepts like male/female, then add behaviours like sex....then proceed to social context and to concepts like gender.
Each step should remain true to the previous, so sexual behaviour should be aligned to the concepts male/female, and gender should be aligned with sex and male/female.

Once you do this with as many concepts as possible you may proceed to more abstract ideas.

Then you may begin to perceive how concepts are corrupted as they are gradually and methodically misaligned or completely detached from the original concept.

The process moves from more tangible concepts towards increasingly more abstract concepts, in a aligned continuum.
As one moves upward one is restricted, disciplined, by the previous concept even while splintering into multiple directions.
The starting concept acts as an anchoring, or a reference point within sensually experienced reality.

All errors will be the product of a misalignment.

One begins with what is present, perceived sensually, interpreted as the apparent and then proceeds towards increasingly abstract noumena.
The first concept, the anchor, is really a dynamic, interactive pattern, necessitating contant reaffirmation and, if need be, adjustment.
It is a product of evolved, over hundreds of thousands of years, probabilities.

Genes to memes.

One moves from the biological, the physical, towards the psychological, the mental, and then into the sociological, the collective, before one advances into the ideological, the theoretical.
This is what I mean by "down to earth".
The original concept must be a multiplicity, so as to establish a range of probabilities and a median.
If possible not only multiple examples but also multiple perspectives must be integrated and arranged by degree of probability, based on the reliability - quality - of the perspective, over time; not necessarily only human perspectives.
Animal behaviour provides the purest perspective because they remain outside manmade ideological corruptions.

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PostSubject: Re: Words Words - Page 19 EmptySun Sep 12, 2021 10:47 am

Armstrong, Karen wrote:
Today many people in the West would be dismayed if a leading theologian suggested that God was in some profound sense a product of the imagination. Yet it should be obvious that the imagination is the chief religious faculty. It has been defined by Jean-Paul Sartre as the ability to think of what is not. Human beings are the only animals who have the capacity to envisage something that is not present or something that does not yet exist but which is merely possible. The imagination has thus been the cause of our major achievements in science and technology as well as in art and religion. The idea of God, however it is defined, is perhaps the prime example of an absent reality which, despite its inbuilt problems, has continued to inspire men and women for thousands of years. The only way we can conceive of God, who remains imperceptible to the senses and to logical proof, is by means of symbols, which it is the chief function of the imaginative mind to interpret.
Suhrawardi was attempting an imaginative explanation of those symbols that have had a crucial influence on human life, even though the realities to which they refer remain elusive.
A symbol can be defined as an object or a notion that we can perceive with our senses or grasp with our minds but in which we see something other than itself. Reason alone will not enable us to perceive the special, the universal or the eternal in a particular, temporal object. That is the task of the creative imagination, to which mystics, like artists, attribute their insights.
As in art, the most effective religious symbols are those informed by an intelligent knowledge and understanding of the human condition.
A History of God
And language is man’s primary art-form.

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Ethnos is gene/meme synthesis, i.e., harmony. Body/Mind manifesting a primordial unity of race and art.
An example of how nihilism intentionally confuses genes with memes, so as to usurp genealogy and replace it with ideology (memeology), we can use the concept of the nation state Though most nation states are a creation of tribal, ethnic, populations the example of multicultural – genetically miscegenated nation states, e.g., United States, Australia, Canada, etc. – are now the ideal example all nation states must imitate. So, although France is the nation states of the Francs, and Greece of the Hellenes, and Italy of the Italics, and Germans of the Germanics, and Russia of the Russians, this ethnic identity is to be replaced with an abstraction that can include any and all ethnicities, mixing them all up into theoretical unity identified as a nationality.
U.S. dominion after the end of the war has marketed itself – via Hollywood and its dominance over the world's media and entertainment industries – as the ideal to be imitated so as to create a Globalized community distinguished only according to market values and forces. England is, therefore, not of the English but an idea, a concept, which can identify anyone living within its boundaries as "English". Miscegenation will then erase distinct tribal and racial lines that cannot be ignored, i.e., the physical, apparent, mixed into a genetic soup with no distinct genealogy. Meme usurping gene.
Brazil is an example of the consequences. America, due to historical factors, didn't completely follow down this path. Its "melting pot" remained distinctly European. This is what they are being held to account for failing to abide by their own values.

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Cultivating linguistic obscurantism is how the Magian maintains and increases his prophetic powers, in relation to a fluctuating unforeseeable existence.
Language remains ambiguous enough to be given any desired meaning, keeping the underlying objective in focus.

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Art - language - words/symbols = proxies connecting a mental abstraction with a sensually perceived presence - an appearance.
Subjective referring to an Object/Objective.
Nexus of mind and body - idea/ideal and the real.

Two types of Art - two linguistic utilities; applications of words/symbols.
1- Representation, reaffirmation, of the sensually perceived - interpreted.
2- Representation of the individual reaction to the sensually perceived - interpreted.

All art - including language - expresses a combination of both.
Nihilism attempts to completely detach the representation form the represented, so as to make art a representation of a reaction to reactions - symbols/words referring to other symbols/words, completely circumventing the sensually perceived.
As such nihilism is self-deceiving and emotional - defensiveness pushed to its extreme, viz., the ideological nullification of the apparent, that which is present. Past made present as presence.
Inter-Subjectivity is the collectivization of subjectivity - people of the book, by the book, for the book; ideas referring to other ideas; perspective referring to perspectives; words referring and deferring to scripture, to words.

The sensual, exposing the mind to physis, the physical, tangible, uncertain world, is to be reduced to another ideology.
Biology becomes ideology.

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