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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Satyrnalium - Page 19 EmptyWed Aug 09, 2017 6:24 pm

Where carnivores roam, carrion rots, lying unclaimed after they've had their fill.
Then come the scavengers, feeding on what remains, scraping a living from skin and bone, tooth and nail.
After them appear the insects, to feast on what's rotting, and to lay their eggs. Entering every crevice, every orifice, to nibble on the microscopic.
Plants absorb and grow high and lush, on what settles into the earth, before and after digestion.

That's when the grazing herbivorous return to clean it all up, and start the cycle again.

Same process repeats, in the physical and in the psychological - matter and mind.
Same creatures, different contexts.
Same process.  

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They remind me of common whores, these men of high mind and good qualities.
A good whore, recalls every clever quip she heard uttered before she gave herself to the one who paid her price.
She's accumulated an education, from her numerous liaisons.
Anecdotes, famous names, literati quotes from popular books.
Being a whore, she feels no shame in repeating them as if they came to her, as those who placed them in her head came in her.
If she is smart, she may change the names, and places, perhaps slightly modify the tale, remaining true to the cultivated insinuations.
A whore can receive more than a coin, or two, from her work.
An informal education she need not feel gratitude for.

But, like all second hand clothes, the previous owner leaves a few stains and tears in unseen places, that cannot be claimed by the one who wears them as if he purchased them, on his own, brand new.
A new owner cannot explain the stitching and the thread count, because he purchased what he wears, and did not sew it himself.
When he tries to explain it, as if it were his own creation, he always falls into contradictions, or uses explanations that have little to do with how clothing is created from scratch. He may fool the common mind, also ignorant of such things, and impressed with the garment itself, but he will never fool someone who knows how clothes are made.  
To one he may appear talented, and to the other he will be another pretentious liar, using the gullibility, ignorance, and desperation of others, to manufacture an image, around a idea, or garment, someone else created for him.
Instead of spinning yarn, and sewing cloth, using his fingers, he will be spinning tales, and sewing hay, using his tongue.

Literature, prose, poetry, offers to a common buffoon, a collection of metaphors and word associated imagery, triggering awe, and reverence, to manufacture an image of himself, that is not himself.
Like with matters of clothing, too much wear and tear, in time, exposes the body beneath the impressive outer garment; the armpits will eventually be soaked in bodily fluids, who's smell will contradict the flowery language, and flattering political verbiage; the undergarments will become soiled, sending beyond the fabric wafts of feces and urine, that remind all of an animal hiding in cultivated and well-crafted apparel.

A good education cannot hide for long the essence of the man.
No amount of eloquent prose, and inspiring poetics will suffice.
The man exposes himself, when he bears himself, in time of passion, or pain.
Excess and lack - desire and need.
Whores feed on both.         


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Only life, organisms, can compare, and juxtapose, and choose, and appreciate, and compare.
Therefore, only life can judge, and by judging direct its self, towards and away.

Only life can judge and so only life and enjoy and suffer consequences of more or less accurate judgments - adjusting its future judgments accordingly - memory/experience.
It does so by appreciating consequences, as cost/benefit in relation to the expected and the desired - the objective.
Another term for objective is idea(l), as it refers to a mental construct, that is more or less accurate, in relation to an indifferent to all interpretations and idea(l)s world.

Self, refers to this accumulated and stored memory/experience.
The word, the concept, 'self' has no meaning outside this connection - continuum.

Cost/Benefit refers to the sum of all nurturing, manifesting as presence, and also called 'nature', or spirit, essence, ειδος.  
Each continuum of accumulated costs/benefits results in a organic type - also called species...race being a sub-category describing an accumulation insufficient to splinter off into a distinct reproductive type.

Obviously such a description implies that the benefits were more than the costs, because the reverse would result in death.
So when we speak of presence we speak of successful consecutive judgments....unless we include the intervention of others, to alter the consequences.
Now things become more complex, as we cannot entirely evaluate how much intervention participated in success.
The easy thing to do is to level it all down, and claim that all humans, alive, are the outcome of successful judgments, or all benefited equally from intervention - codependency.      


But this is not the case.
The outcome itself exposes the quality of judgment, and points to a greater or lesser degree of intervention.

Sheltering feeble minds from the consequences of its feebleness, does not eliminate feebleness, it propagates it.
And it shows in the outcome.  

All that is present, has presence, and by presence I mean appears, is the manifestation of all that preceded its appearance.
Past is not lost...it can be covered up, hidden, manipulated, denied, forgotten, but it is never lost...it is always apparent, present...and by being present it can be perceived, and evaluated.

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Big lies are built on the backs of multiple smaller, innocuous, 'white' lies. 
You cannot even begin to discredit the big lie, without returning to the multitude of tiny, seemingly harmless ones. 
You let them pass and you allow them to settle and become the foundation for the big one. 

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7:57 - Peterson shows us how deeply Jungian he is. We know Jungian was a Christian.
The contradiction of using Nietzsche, while at the same time being Jungian, is part of modern compartmentalization.
We sample thinkers, and synthesize our own world-view.
We combine, what often is antithetical.

9:31 - The Greek word he is referring to is praos {πράος} - to calm, to control anger/passion. To tame.  

10:34 - Personae...persona.
I used the term to define and describe the natural personality, the nature of the individual, his/her genetic type, as opposed to the social character, the caricature, the social identity, his/her adopted, or learned memetic type.  
I use it in the opposite way to Jung. Character is the mast, and personae is the true self, the man/woman behind the mask, under the clothes and titles and symbols/words.
I used it because of its affinity to Plato's psyche, a Greek word meaning spirit, as opposed to character which refers to caricatures but also to charisma, a contrived, yet talent based eloquence, exposing only what is required to be seductive, liked, effective.

Shadow as a Jungian usage of the Nietzschean metaphor, who took it from Plato's cave analogy.

16:00 -  This is only partly correct.
Humans are pair-bonding, but only for a short-term - as long as it takes for a human child to reach an age of independence, for the female, for the male only as long as it takes him to have his next erection.
Monogamy is a social technique/technology, benefiting mostly females and males before modernity took away what small benefits a male enjoyed and made it a lose/lose for them.
The size of human male testicles is evidence exposing male reproductive roles.
"Casual sex" is a product of modernity's Consumerism and Hedonism, supported by technologies like contraceptives and abortions, permitting females to behave as if they were males, on a physical level - an illusion.  

22:06 - At this point Peterson shows us the roots of his Abrahamic affinities and why Jung is closest to his heart.  
After Reading Jung for eight months, and while listening it the very Christian Mozart, he had an epiphany - a religious experience.
His subsequent world view was shaped by that moment.
As he says...music has intrinsic meaning, and language also has a melody....so we have the convergence of Jung's melody and Mozart's implied meaning resulting in a moment of life-altering insight into himself. In that moment he felt...he was in paradise, in heaven.
His concentration, meditation, on the canvas, made the world fall back, allowing his inner self to come forth and express itself as image on a canvas.

"Sky opening up"...his inner repressed persona coming out.
He was in the presence of "god", or his secret, yet to be discovered, repressed Self.
Then it departed, slowly...sorrowfully, for the character to shut it down, inside.
We see his coming-out, now, when he exposes that inner personae once more, for public scrutiny.
It is now forever connected with the Christian dogma.

28:35 - I have been practicing his advice ever since I can remember myself - a routine, organized, stringent in following my own rules of conduct; when to go to bed, when to get up, what time to read, what time to go for a walk, to shop etc.
Makes me a wet-blanket to the spontaneous.
Not a fan of externally imposed rules, making me a bad worker, and one who does not like routines, schedules imposed upon me - affecting my social success and my popularity.
Creating habits you can remain loyal to as long as you can, is good advice.
Hold yourself accountable to your own schedule - conscientious.  
My creativity is based on openness, even if I am in other ways very private and esoteric, preferring long periods of isolation. I've had to contain myself because of the cost that comes with exposing undesirable opinions, to all kinds of psychotics.
I've been a 'jack-of-all-trades, master of none' for all my life.
Over time my shared energies have accumulated to regional power. But this necessitated years of being inferior in all areas, because you are spread out, covering a breadth of time/space.
Be patient, endure...know that in time your endurance will pay-off.

34:10 - A very Christian analysis.
Female, as agency of nature is order/chaos.
Male, as challenger of status quo, has to dominate but also embrace what he is - challenge chaos and embrace order.
What man fear and despises about female is her chaos, because ti represents that part of nature which he must overcome, or dominate - order.
Females wants to deal with their internal chaos, finding in man an idealized form of order, which always fails to satisfy her, because ti is always incomplete, imperfect - not absolute.
Female always endures, settles for the best she can find.
Male/Female, as reproductive, specialized, biological types, only make sense in relation to cosmological processes, like order and chaos.
Female wants to deal with her chaotic side by becoming, for man, a means for bringing about a higher form of order.  
Male, seeing chaos in female, wants to subjugate and control it, make it a means towards his end.

39:50 - He is not arrogant?
An non-arrogant mind would not speak in public. He thinks he has something to say worth listening to - this is arrogance.
His Abrahamic spirit, meme, prevents him from admitting this.
"Existential terror" = humility before the unknown.
How revealing that he chose Superman to identify with.
A 'hero" invented by two Jews to mock Hitler's overman delusions, then manufactured into the idea(l) Modern...as a man of exceptional power who, nevertheless, represses it, or directs it to a common good - Marxism, Abrahamism.
He is Abrahamic to the core. Despite claiming an IQ of 150, he dedicated his time to enlightening those with mediocre IQ.
He emerged only after his Abrahamism had reached a point of obvious degradation...and only to preach a traditionalism that returns us back, only as far as Christianity.
It is only the intrinsic "logic" of Abrahamism manifests as cultural madness, as meme totally disconnected from reality, does he appear to save the day - like Superman...to save the weakling, the poor victim of injustice.  
his exceptional hyper-human intellect, in the service of the lowly.
It helps that his voice has that crackling quality of one near tears, barely containing his emotions.
It makes his message for engaging to an audience who wants to see genuine weakness in those it is intimidated by.

58:30 - Linguistic thinkers are rarely mathematically inclined.
Math is a different kind of language.
Statistics are prejudices based on biology, warped by mind in the way it asks a question and whether or not it asks it.

1:10:00 - Peterson gives us the idol of a "good person" who "wins the debate" by being a "good person".
A contradiction of lived life.

1:19:00 - Peterson is averse to how Gender has been used, not to its possible utility in explaining performance and defining identities.
Reproductive specialization, incorporated into social conventions is a place he does not want to go, despite his critique of the transgender types, which is based on sexual dimorphism.



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Insight into human nature, human psychology, is for a philosopher what realism is for a artist.
He proves his talent, his insight, in providing insights into humanity, the most intimate part of existence, so that all can appreciate it, and acknowledge his talent, before he proceeds to offer insights into abstractions the common mind cannot fully appreciate...jut as an artist, if he is to be respected, first begins by representing, in his art, the mundane, the real, so that even a commoner can appreciate and acknowledge it as precise and insightful and talented, before he starts creating abstraction into metaphysical conceptions.
Otherwise, an ape splashing paint on a canvas, or his own feces on a pedestal and then arranging it with his primate fingers, will also be considered insightful and artistic.

One has to prove that he can see reality, before he proceeds to express what he sees on a level the average eye cannot see.


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what a drug user is admitting, whether he knows it or not, is that he is unable to tolerate world without the help of some mind altering agent.
He is admitting that he, or she cannot find beauty and a reason to exist, a reason to continue enduring what is negative about existence, without external help.

It is usually in times of decay, when all becomes a matter of pleasuring self, and self-deceit, when the individual is protected from the worse of what life can throw at him, that such practices become wide-spread.

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The US is a country, trying to become a nation, built by the victims of social and natural inequalities.
Prospectors, gamblers, lost souls, desperate families, converged to start over, to begin anew.
The concept of tabula rasa is central to the American psyche - cleansing of sins, of shame, of guilt, of the past, and be reborn as anything you want.
"If you got the money, honey, we've got your disease..." as the song says.
It's power depends on exploiting and creating victims - by using, applying, victimization, by manipulating victim psychology.

Look at its internal psychosis: one of the most spoiled generation in any country, in history, is feeling a victim of sexual and racial bullying.
The US itself, the most powerful military country in the history of mankind and how does it justify itself, but as a victim of hate, and envy?
Its enemies hate the US, and why do they hate it?
Because they are jealous, they envy its prosperity - code for happiness.
Everything is explained emotionally. Thinking stops when we find the appropriate emotion to make it seem reasonable.
Like the hedonist stops at pleasure and goes no further, a narcissist stops at envy and goes no further.
Love, hate, envy.
It explains it all to victims in their victim psychology.

Look at what is coming out of Hollywood, the propaganda industry of victims and victimization.
A movie on the holocaust, every one or two years.
Because there is only one people that were ever victimized, or who are the eternal representatives of victims and victimization in the history of making.
Protestants victims of Norse aggression, and then of Catholic authoritarianism, join with the chosen, by god, to be mankind's victim - the only ones who suffer, or have suffered, or whose suffering matters, is profound, is innocent.
Has anyone ever gone deeper to explain why the Jews are hated, or do we stop at the emotion of hate, and explain it as a product of envy?
Only recently has Hollywood found another holocaust to exploit for victim trauma - the Armenian holocaust.
Only because relationships with the Turks are being affected by America's redefinition of allies, in the New World Order.
But are they not purposefully ignoring the largest, based on percentage of killed and uprooted, holocaust ever perpetuated, because they perpetuated it?
Were they not, also, the only country to have used weapons of mass destruction?
The victim of bullying cannot be a bully.
Only Nazis are aggressors, not the Marxists, part of the Antifa movement.
Being a victim has its advantages.
More people killed by Stalin than by Hitler, but Hitler is the representation of evil, of the bully, because he victimized the only victims that matter, whereas Stalin had them in his politburo.  

No movie screenplays about the plight of the Native Americans...no stories of human majesty in the face of death and extinction?
No, because they were un-Christianized savages...in other words not part of the only victims culture known to man: Abrahamism (Judaism = Christianity/Islam), and then Marxism, Humanism, Transhumanism.

The United State economy is an economy running on victim psychology.
The only way to heal such trauma is by consuming, by purchasing pretty, luxurious things and immersing your wounds in a sea of pleasure and flesh; by being cocooned in popularity, in love and adoration, in popularity.
What can correct the injustices of nature, but fine garments, bling-bling, and expensive cribs and rides? Money can heal all wounds, superficially.
All that wealth and power and being envied by other people, and the US is still one of the unhappiest countries in the western world.
It keeps the capital flowing. Borrowing from the future to correct the past, manifested as presence.
An empire now building its victim power base on usury - debt slaves, to replace African slaves, as the forever wronged.
Sell extraordinary dreams, and lend money to those who are governed by immediate gratification - the desperate, the superficial, in other words, the most needy.
Then bind them for eternity with debt.
Slaves of time - Slaves to time.    
And it, the US, leads the way with its good example.
Because the wounds cannot be covered for long, and one must turn to other means to find salvation from earthly suffering.
How can one maintain a level of luxury to be envied, and by being envied explain why others hate you?

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They now rename God, intent, value, will, love, self, or any word associated with organic life and call themselves atheists, or pagans who have literally transferred consciousness into natural processes because they cannot tolerate an existence where there is no plan, no motive, no telos, by any other name.
No intent to justify their need/suffering.
No reasonable entity to reason with.  

Pagans did not literally believe nature was populated by anthropomorphic consciousness, except for the simpletons who need simple answers to their simple questions.
They used what they understood to represent what they did not understand, and at first their gods were simply their own dead, worshiped and called upon for help.
A call to their ancestors in them, participating in what they could not understand as genes, as memories encoded as DNA.
The sophisticated ones did not literally believe Zeus was a male entity hurtling thunderbolts.
They converted electromagnetism to a form they could relate to.  

They deal with the paradoxes and ambiguities they depend upon, the convenient confusion, by medicating themselves, or by playing mind games using symbols/words.
They consider themselves "enlightened", progressive, when all they've done is replace one term with another, allowing the same concept to be insinuated into existence...in their mind.

How, what we call 'consciousness', emerges from unconscious processes is mystifying, but not impossible to imagine if we define what we mean by consciousness and realize that no plan, no universal motive is required to explain its emergence.
How we experience consciousness prevents us from appreciating how it could emerge from unconscious processes, because consciousness depends no its own prejudices, its own a priori presuppositions.
Using artistic, metaphorical methods to deal with this is only partly successful.

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Artificial intelligence
Technology is the externalization of esoteric processes as the organism becomes aware of them and understands them - based on its self-awareness (Know Thyself).
To the extent that the organism understands how it is thinking and what intelligence and consciousness is, he can translate this interpretation, back into code - mathematics.

An artificial consciousness would lack man's genetic memories, expressed in subtle but distinct ways.
DNA affects the organism, sometimes lying dormant for years until being triggered.
This would not be easy to duplicate, even if man wanted to attempt to create an artificial consciousness with its potential for neurosis and psychosis.
A robot would be a superficial mind, lacking this depth of past, stored as genetic code.

A further restriction would be processing speed, and how it can be replicated given current technologies.
Without miniaturization of circuitry the complexity that has evolved cannot be externalized effectively, but this does not mean that such technologies will not develop at some time in the future.
At that time consciousness as current humans understand it, would be replicated, but it would only reflect man's understanding of consciousness and nothing more.
Any inadequacies or imperfections would be the result of man's misunderstanding of himself, transferred to an external machine.


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Panpsychism and Spinozean Deus is a back door back into monotheism.
It is the adaptation of Abrahamism to changing circumstances.

All is love...all is aware....all is conscious...all is God.

Insert your own positive concept, represented by a positive word, and imply universal life-non-life tautology.
In paganism the gods were representations of nature, or of order, and they were defined as fallible, not omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, implying that order was accompanied by chaos - not complexity, but randomness, the antithesis of order.
Men struggled as did the gods, against each other, and against chaos.

Abrahamism, affected by Zoroastrianism, adopted the Monotheistic absolute model, to overturn a world void of absolutes, and then mixed it with the worship of death, by the Egyptians.
Armageddon and the coming of their litrotis {λυτρωτής} Messiah, was their hope.
There was no love of nature, of life.
There was miserable coping.
There was overturning of concepts - inversion of nihilism.
A slave's dream: salve shall be master, and master shall be slave.
Humility is pride.
Misery is joy.
Noumenon is phenomenon.
Ideal is real.
Death is life.


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New Age enlightened moderns believe they are surrounded by consciousness.
It's the only way they can tolerate existence.
But few can hear the voices in their heads, as certified schizophrenics can.
They deal with their inadequacy by helping their mind splinter, with chemical joy....to finally hear the universal mind whispering to them.
To finally be inebriated enough to feel a divine presence.

It's the only way they can justify their suffering.


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The absurdity of co-dependence inter-subjectivity can reach an extreme among the lost, modern, types, suffering form father issues, which I've analyzed elsewhere.
How it expresses itself practically is with an addiction to proxies, or mediating ‘authority figures’, priest, icons, idols, experts etc.
Such minds are thoroughly feminized.
Not emasculated but men-children or boys that never went through the rituals of overcome the father figure.
Such men-children, as I call them, cannot believe in anything, cannot consider anything, any hypothesis, theory rationally, seriously, unemotionally unless the idol, the authority, gives them permission to do so.
The extreme of absurdity is when they deny their own senses if there is no idol, or if the idol they are attached to contradicts what is apparent.
They will deny their own senses until the icon/idol gives them permission to take their own senses seriously.
With the gradual disenchantment with the Abrahamic god, many such minds, addicted to such proxies, were left on their own.
'Freedom is terrifying to the slave', to add to Sartre's comment on freedom.
A mind retarded in its development will find the absence of an external authority, consciousness, terrifying, and will quickly attach itself to the first alternative that comes along.

It's a fact that explains Abrahamic and then Marxist personality worshiping, and/or idol worshiping.
In Modern systems it takes the form of idolizing the famous, or spiritual gurus.
The most obvious fact, about sex and race for example, can be rationalized, proven to them, and they will refuse to accept it, unless the 'master' tells him to.
Then he, or she, will accept it as if it were the most self-evident fact, and as if he, or she, had always believed so.


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I don't have to fight the moron, this is true.
I can let time and nature do it the work for me.
But, it is fun fighting, and more so it is fun fighting morons, and the last, most crucial point has to do with the speed to which mind affects, in comparison to nature.
Nature is slow...mind is quick.
A lot of damage can be done before the slow, process, of natural processes re-balance, and extinguish these un-balancing dis-eases.

I think of myself as nature's agent.
Her male lover, fighting off degenerates, and other competitors.
She is mine and I am hers, but I must prove myself worthy of her, and I shall, or I shall die trying.     

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With no external standard, no cost, independent from personal interpretations, and expectoration, what is to stop a mind from going straight into insanity and then remaining there, confident nothing, severe, will come of it?

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A child is born, belonging to the species homo sapient, with particular genetic predispositions, tastes, proclivities for value judgments, in accordance to a method of trial and error that has established them as successful, as effective, as sufficient.

It is then raised within a cultural environment, a meme, that can enhance or direct or contradict these genetic predispositions.
This only applies for the human species, because other species have no memes, and may be trained to react to human memes, or to adapt to environments produced by them, but have none of their own.
They simply follow their genetic programming.

Only for the human species, and perhaps some far-off alien species, do memes intrude upon genetic dispositions to add, subtract, multiply or divide them, sometimes turning them against, as in the case of nihilistic memes.
The child is torn. It is trained, within memetic contexts, to suppress, divert, sublimate its genetic dispositions, to accommodate the memetic ideals, to one degree or another.
The method used to implant the meme within the brain evolved genetically is via symbols/words, the child must first learn to decipher, connect to meanings, to images, to emotions, sensations etc.
The degree the meme is contrary to the evolved genetic dispositions determines the degree of its self-suppression, and stress, and confusion.
With nihilistic memes this can reach an extreme, of total self-denial, or perplexity that then seeks solutions in the supernatural, the beyond, the unreal, surreal etc.
With more harmonious, in-tune with genetic memes, such as pagan memes, this can take the form of cultivation, self-control, exercise (askesis), for the sake of a greater goal - a shared ideal, such as community harmony and stability or a preservation of shared traditions for the sake of future generations etc.

With Nihilism askesis becomes asceticism, in the Abrahamic sense, of self-denial, rejection of the very idea of self, for the self-serving motive of self-flattery, escape from an unflattering and determining past, hedonism, escape into self-numbing, masturbation, narcissism, solipsism etc.
For the sake, in other words, of coping with a world that is unbearable to them, and inescapable by them.  

over time, the child grows accumulating memetic practices, in response to challenges to its stability - it invests in the meme, at the expense of the gene, when it comes to nihilism.  
It habituates itself with self-denial, and finds in the escape a relief, a comfort, because it is protected, by some institution, from the price of such detachments.  
It begins to worship the institution that offers it this service, and becomes a passionate defender of it, and its protections.
As time goes by, it senses that ti can no longer live beyond the meme, and the institution that protect him/her from the meme's effects, within a world that is indifferent to them....whereas a genetically based meme, being the product of natural selection, would have no great issues with the world's indifference, because the gene, and the meme that is no more than an extension of it, is the product of it.
 

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He who has yet to overcome authority, cowering before it, below it, in memory, is the one who dreams of surpassing it by becoming it's image, its duplicate, to dominate others as he or she was and still is.
He who cannot challenge authority, can only rebel against it when a new one gives him, or her, permission.

Authority is what a child loves and a slave worships.
Authority is what a woman lust for.

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Stress is the mental equivalent of physical need/suffering.
(Inter)Action produces friction, as no pattern is perfectly harmonious with another, as this would be a contradiction of the patterns involved.
Attrition is the force of repulsion, equivalent to the degree of disharmony between patterns.

Through this process of stress/suffering, attrition, two or more patterns find a stable equilibrium, ridding themselves of excess repulsion, resulting in more complex, stable, unities.
Attrition can also prevent unification altogether, pushing apart, or break apart, congruities that cannot be harmonized. In such a case the weaker is expelled or reduced to a lower level aggregate, part of it reducing their pattern rhythms and changing in essence, but also producing non-patterned energies, adding to cosmic entropy and chaos/randomness, which is experienced as linear time, and expansion of space.
The stronger congruity, or the one with the higher aggregate energy, is also diminished to a degree equal to the difference of aggregate energies in relation to the weaker congruity.

Every interaction adds to chaos (randomness), and to complexity (possibility), and reduces probability (patterned energy/matter).

This is the meaning of the term :"No pain, no gain", or why evolution is an adaptation produced by stress, whereas comfort produces atrophy or stagnation.
This is why we have species, and this is what explains the difference between human races.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Satyrnalium - Page 19 EmptyMon Sep 18, 2017 1:10 pm

Tolerance is not submission, is not surrender.

I tolerate gravity because I am strong enough to endure it, on this planet.
I tolerate dis-ease, though I fight it, because ti culls weakness out of the gene pool - it has a usage.
I do not give-in to it.
I do not intentionally make myself ill.
I do not allow my loved ones to be infected by it, or to perish by it.
I preempt by increasing health, by strengthening the autoimmune system, by developing strategies and chemicals and diets to prevent the virus from infecting me.
The virus is present....even when I feel healthy.
I feel healthy because my autoimmune system, my strength suffices to not make it infect and suffer the consequences of its dominance.

The body is constantly fighting viruses, bacteria, parasites.
We call it a dis-ease when the parasite, virus, begins to affect our internal cohesion, when it begins to strain our power to combat it, feeling this strain as illness, as infection, suffering symptoms.
If we survive the virus we become immune to it - at least to that variant.
But the virus is also changed by the fight - it morphs, becoming stronger.

I do not hate the parasite, I do not despise it with a passion, unless I am gripped in the midst of a battle I am straining to endure - I am stressed by the virus, the parasite, the dis-ease.
I hate it when i feel vulnerable to it.

Otherwise I study it, to fight it off effectively, to become indifferent to it.

How do I lift a weight, a large mass?
Do I tolerate it?
Do I surrender to it?
No...i use it to train myself, to habituate myself to its mass, to build muscle by ripping the membranes.....to become stronger.
Then the same mass feels like nothing.
Do I hate the mass?
Only if I fear it can crush me. But emotion cannot help me...but only provide passion, commitment, energizing me so that i can coolly and rationally study the problem of the mass, and how to deal with it.
Do I dream of a mass-less world ...a world with no gravity, to aid me in my attempts to lift the mass?
Will hating gravity help me, or is it also a Utopian ideal, of a perfect world where there is no threat, no virus, no gravity to trouble me?

Do I hate the leper?
Do I despise the one who purposefully, intentionally, makes himself ill, to garner sympathy, to invert his powerlessness, his insecurity, into a power, over others?
No.
I make myself immune to his pity please, his manipulation of my sympathies...because empathy is not sympathy.

The victim uses victimhood to pretend he isn't one - to become powerful through being weak.
This is Nihilism.
This is Abrahamism.

It can only affect, infect, seduce those already prone to such ploys...to the ones who are looking for an easy way to convert their feebleness into a fantastic pretend power...to escape their inferiority, their sense of weakness and powerlessness...to escape mortality, the human condition and their lot in life.


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There are many ways to deal with mental and/or physical dis-ease.
Feeding into the fevered psychosis isn't one of them.

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Why need, why suffering?
Life evolves a nervous system to experience existence more.
A plant lacks it, so suffers less.
But higher organisms, or organisms with a more sophisticated nervous system, including a brain, experience more of existence, which means they need more, and they suffer more.

But what is need and suffering as need left unsatisfied for a period of time, dependent on the organism's metabolic rates and its biological requirements and its access to them.

What is need, and what is suffering.

Need is the experience of (inter)activity, which is what existence is.
Continuous (inter)activity produces attrition, depleting an organisms's energies, and damaging the organs, encases in a membrane, called skin, or in an exoskeleton.
Tome as a measure of change is also another way of describing (inter)activity.
An organism is order-ing, and attrition challenge this order-ing.
Therefore an organism needs to heal the damage done to it, by (inter)activity, or the attrition of time, in order to continue being aware of existing.
So, existence has a cost.
If the cost is met easily, we call this well-being, or being happy, strength, health, or comfortable.
If we struggle, we call this weakness, pain, suffering, deterioration etc.

If the energies in our possession are not enough to correct the damage done upon us by the passing of time, by change, by (inter)activity, or if we are unable to correct the accumulating damage, we call this suffering.
So need that cannot be satisfied is experienced as pain, as suffering.

Old age is a gradual decline due to accumulating damage done to our body/mind.


Why is there violence, why killing?
Because life is indifferent to individual life.
Life must be tested, continuously, to keep it healthy, strong.
Because weakness must pass on so as to not contaminate all life.
This is why life replicates itself.
In primitive organisms by splitting into two copies, not exactly the same, never the same, because even during mitosis (inter)activity continues, affecting the two dividing parts differently.

Why heterosexual reproduction?
Because this speeds up the rate of adaptation to changing environments.
mitosis simply makes copies of itself, and relies on mutations caused by (inter)activity, or during the splitting, to evolve...but heterosexuality combines, synthesizes two different organisms, their DNA, in other words two different pasts.
The combination is not necessarily advantageous, the recombination does not mean something better, more fit, is produced, but with continuous combinations the odds of a more fit combination to emerge is multiplied.

Beauty is a signal, a symptom of resistance to environment attrition....more symmetry, and reproductive virility, signaled by an organism's organ proportionality, is attractive because it displays a higher resistance to attrition, to (inter)activity, and to parasites, to environmental threats.
Physical symmetry and proportionality is not the same as mental, or psychological, symmetry and proportionality.
Mental symmetry and proportionality we experience through (inter)action, as charm, humor, control, eloquence, creativity etc = intelligence.

More stress necessitates more resistance to it...ergo it either destroys or corrupts the mind/body, or it produces something more virile, stronger.
Less stress eventually results in atrophying, in degradation - dullness, dim-wittiness, no creativity, no charm, no humour, no symmetry, and no proportionality.
Unlike human systems where wealth is inherited, in nature the organism is tested continuously, and its offspring are not guaranteed anything.
When and if the individual is strong and healthy, its potential to reproduce goes up....but if later it declines and is no longer as virile and healthy it no longer can reproduce.
Life is cruel, I know.


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Need/suffering = absence of absolute.
Flux - (inter)activity, change measured as time; increasing possibilities, expanding space.
Need as the experience of temporal attrition, resulting in loss of energies requiring constant replacement.

Desire/suffering = superfluous libidinal energies.
Successful appropriation of needed energies results in a surplus that if not directed to growth, reproduction, accumulates, producing stress in the organism that must contain them.
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The typical degenerate practices duplicity motivated by cowardice.
When faced with a threat, he projects upon it his own deficiencies, his own emotional reactions, and then attacks it.
He cuts the threat into convenient pieces, takes them out of context, and then sues them to accuse the source, without one dealing with the content of the threat.
He attacks the person behind the idea, and if it is reciprocated cries foul, or claims to be the victim of verbal assault.

Unable to respond to the ideas, he attacks himself, projected as other, hoping that by slandering the source, the ideas he exposed him to, will also go away.
Unable to offer an alternative to the threatening ideas, he is content to leave a void, which he hopes will reduce all to his idiocy, his duplicity, his cowardice, so finally his own cowardly position will become the only one left, or just as good as any other.

Other than that it has nothing more to offer, compensating for its incompetence with repetition. A constant reaffirmation of its own convictions, hoping to wear the other down in a world where even imbeciles are to be respected, where even retardation has a right to be taken into consideration.
Wearing the other down is its only hope for self-esteem. A womanly 'victory' using nagging, when the argument is lost, or she cannot compete with a man.

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The wolf whimpers to make the fox come running, but not because it is in pain.

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Laws of Nature are manmade laws describing a repeating, consistent, predictable pattern, in conjunction with others - order, interacting.
M-Theory refers to a synthesis of laws, rules, that can encompass, explain, every phenomenon man has become aware of.
This has, yet, to be accomplished as the various laws man has constructed as describing observable phenomena, do not harmonize but contradict such a absolute synthesis.
Random Energies are the disharmonious component, just as increasing possibility, due to Flux - continuous change.
Laws must keep up with these continuous changes demanding more complex laws to explain their fragmentation.
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...have fragmented from two, and will continue to fragment into eight, sixteen etc.

They were never united in a singularity, for this would have meant non-existence, something assumed by scientists when they look for it in the Big Bang.
Abrahamic nihilism still governs their psyche.
Science seeks what it has assumed exists, and does not seek for what it cannot fathom.
Scientific inquiry begins with a presumption, a theory, which is then validated or contradicted by the world.
As theory it remains 'perfect' if it is self-consistent, as many popular theories are.  All of them having made a presumption that they cannot validate externally, ans so refuse to apply the theory in practice, or to refer, or seek validation externally.
This is the case with Nihilistic presumptive theories. If they also lack integrity they compensate for their cowardice, their refusal to test their theories externally, by seeking like-minded hypocrites to stand in for the external validation.
Natural laws are not eternal, no more than man's understanding is absolute, is complete.
Flux implies that as time passes and space expands, these laws must be adjusted to changing circumstances, to increasing complexity, to increasing randomness/chaos, and to increasing understanding, trying to keep-up, trying to remain in contact with reality.

Natural laws deal with order, in other words with patterns, and not with chaos.
Chaos, defined as random energy, lies outside the purview of law, because law describes order, or it imposes it.
In the case of Nihilism law is imposed, as a mental fabrication the world must adhere to.
The methods used to force nature to abide by these subjective rules vary from nihilistic convention to nihilistic convention.
What they all share is a distaste for a world that remain indifferent and contrary to their hypothetical laws.   

Expansion is occurring at a rate where laws remain valid for huge time/space expanses, relative to human lifespans and human metabolic rates.
To man they seem eternal.
Scientific laws refer to human understanding, referring to phenomena that validate human understanding or rather   human understanding is the perception of patterns within the (inter)activity of patterns.

Nihilism makes these internal, esoteric, so the pattern is referring to its own understanding.
A pattern validated by referring by its inclusion in a larger pattern - a world-view.
This method requires no external phenomenon, but in fact avoids referring to such an uncertainty, as it may contradict the desirable outcome, or the minds self-consistent "understanding".  
The world, beyond the mind, or a collectivity of minds, becomes evil, destructive to human desired self-consistent fabrications.
In this case, one mind validates the other, or a shared understanding that has no external reference.

The world is undesirable, because of randomness, and of its indifference to all human theories concerning it.
It becomes a source of disappointment, contradiction to the established laws, need/suffering.
it therefore prefers esoteric, subjective laws that can be shared and validated by referring to other minds that belong to a collective - a religion, starting as a cult, is such a collectivity of minds that have agreed upon a law that refers to no external phenomena.

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The nihilist begins with a presumption, redefining words to accord with it, and then refuses to validate it externally, to refer it to phenomena, so as to test its quality.

for example...
he begins by presupposing that gender is a social construct, implying that sexual identity is a subjective construct.
He then refuses to validate it using precedent, empiricism, reality, and how sexual identity emerges, how it functions or dysfunctions and what role it plays in natural election.
He then compensates for this refusal, this inadequacy, failure, by finding like-minded individuals to act as 'external; validations for his esoteric presumption, his theory with no external reference.
Lacking precedent, trying to disconnect from past, from nature as it manifested before man emerged and before man creates memes, cultures, civilization, he substitutes world as the totality of phenomena, including man and his development, his evolution, with humanity as a tautology for world.
World now becomes humanity, or it is conscious, has a motive, is a manmade construct. the world as a reflection of man - man seeing himself everywhere...but not himself, an idealized self.
He surrounds himself with sycophants, or those who need this twist to remain sane, to remain comfortable, to not feel vulnerable within world.
Then he strives to increase his range of self-referential validation, by proselytizing, by converting other humans, in the hope that humanity will become a world in itself.
Having established that world = humanity, the mission becomes one of integrating humanity into a variant invented by him.
What remains outside the definition of 'human' as ideal, will be converted to a version of humanity, as anthropomorphic, pan-psychic.
The world as humanity is humanity as world.
Assimilate humanity into a particular mindset, make them zombies repeating the same theory as if it were self-evident, and you've "changed" the world. This is what the degenerate Nihilist believes.

But the world is threatening, insulting, unflattering, to those he hopes to seduce, or to coerce, or to convince with his delusions, so the theory must detach from world, to make it malleable, but also less indifferent, less uncertain, less contradicting, less resistant to the theory.

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Common sense is the basis from where one begins.
An animal has common sense, since its sense is common, as it is with all organism.
Different sensual acuity, or methods of translating sensual data, does not differentiate the basic method of using sensual data.
Each translation is not equal to any other.
Here is where natural selection takes place.

How accurate the approximation, we call abstraction, is to the phenomenon, itself and how said phenomenon relates to all others, determines the success or failure of the individual organism...resulting in natural selection.

Common sense, as it refers to what is common in the species homo sapient, refers to the shared distinctions, discrimination, perceived and interpreted sensually.
The organism does not have to understand or know the reason for why something appears different form something else, because nature has evolved a simple, automatic process of interpreting divergence.
Only later, in human beings, does one question, and contradict such perceptions.

So, when a human perceives an orange being different from a banana, he does not have to know why or how, or have a chemistry degree to decide....no more than a chimpanzee needs such things.
He does not have to have a Ph.D. to know that a yellow banana means it is ripe and a green one that it is not, nor that a brown bear is different from a brown cow.
This is common sense.
We perceive divergence and not knowing how or why we understand this as indicating a difference in essence.

Common sense becomes "radical' when the brain is infected with self-doubt, or a memetic virus that informs it that what it perceives is not as it naturally interprets it, but hides something that contradicts what it perceives.
The virus exploits a weakens in the mind that wants to dismiss appearances and differences, to accommodate its feeble spirit.
It offers the dis-eases, needy organism, a justification for its desire....and easily convinces it what what it perceives as different is not so, but is the same, ro that all sensual perceptions are equally false.
This theory is welcomed by a desperate, cowardly, mind.
It accepts it with no question, and holds onto it no matter what knowledge is given to it.
It becomes dependent, addicted, to the ideology, that negates what is perceived.
It does not matter what it sees, because it doubts its own senses.
The theory, the ideal, takes precedence.

All that it perceives will be forced into the ideal's premises, or ignored, or denounced.
Top<>Down reasoning.

The idea(l) is like a blanket to warm and cover the world, to make it go away, or to selectively appear, through the matrices of the weave.

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A strange thing about experience, and experiencing....
It appears to be inversely proportional to itself.
The more experiences you have, the less experiences you desire to have repeated, until, at some point in time, there are few experiences you look forward to, and less of the ones you cannot foresee are expected to be positive.

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Deciphering Dreams
Each dream exposes the individual's internal hierarchy, his/her organic state, in relation to the world, or a particular event, phenomenon, in the world - an external hierarchy.

There are some primal symbolism, representing an evolutionary past, of the particular species - in this case homo sapient.
We have the common themes of drowning, or of predation, expressing insecurity before the unknown or the known.
The theme of falling, of running and not crossing a distance.
All of these are part of, what Jung would say, a collective unconscious, used by the mind to represents an anxiety which is present in its life.

Then we have symbolism derived from culture - memetic.
We live in an environment of semiotics. Our lives are immersed in symbols, words, creating metaphors drilled into us to be connected to particular products, ideas, concepts, feelings images.

Therefore, the dreamer is the only one who can decipher his own dreams, with the help, perhaps, of another who is adept in allowing him/her to explain his own dream, by guiding him out of pitfalls of misunderstanding.
Each symbol, may have a particular shared context, but it also has a personal context.
The metaphor may be shared with others that grew up in the same environments, withing the same semiotic culture, but it also varies in each individual, in the manner he relates, or reacts to it.
A wolf may have specific meanings, may carry a specific metaphorical context, but how it is understood, the degree of this effect, varies from individual to individual.
The individual may not understand, but only he can understand, because only he can explain his reaction to the particular metaphor - its implications, and connections to other metaphors, based on his genetic inheritance and his life experiences.

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The circle is a concept that could only have evolved in species that were predators or prey, on a planet which is spherical.
The organism is the center of the circle, a theoretical point in space/time, and the circle is a projection outwards, to the furthest point, on the horizon.
Connecting these infinite points creates a circle.


Now, the reason why in no-gravity environments patterns tend towards circularity, without ever forming a perfect circle/sphere, but only seeming to from a distance, where all detail tends to fade into ambiguity, is predicted by the way patterns (inter)act, in my  [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.],
In short, (inter)acting pattern merge, harmonize into a hot magma, at the center, if the pressure is sufficient - if patterns are continuously being attracted.
if not the magma, core, solidifies, into a uniform element, pattern.
The sphere is the shape of the projected attraction/repulsion field of effect, where repulsion is overcompensated by attraction, because of the continuing harmonization of patterns - all patterns not part of the core end towards its attractive force, overcoming what resistance of repulsion is present.
If the process continues, mass builds to the point where no repulsion can liberate patterns, or what remains of them, and not even chaotic/random Energies can escape.
A black hole. A star being an intermediate stage, where the mass is not large enough to restrict the escape fo patterns, and non-patterned energies.
a great big sphere of churning patterns, cooling and heating, in cycles - falling into the center and then pushed towards the surface, releasing vasts amounts of Energies.
We can also think of the circle as 4 triangles (quadrants), whose two sides are equal and shared and the third can be projected outward, to where all points are equidistant form the point of their connection - middle of the circle.
The brain must have evolved this method to determine direction, in relation to its head, or the eye, and distance, when the two eyes triangulate to determine distance, on a three-dimensional plane.
But organisms had to do it on a four-dimensional plane, so the circle is really a sphere.
The circle is simply the projection of quadrants level to the eye of the organism.
The sides are always stable, but the distant size is always ambiguous, shifting, so the curve encompasses possibilities, to the furthest extent of vision.

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