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PostSubject: Re: Satyrnalium Satyrnalium - Page 28 EmptyThu May 10, 2018 6:00 pm

We can divide morality into two kinds, corresponding to the gene/meme dynamic.
We can call memetic morality ethos, to differentiate it from genetically based morality.

What is morality?
A behavioural regulating genetic mechanism.
It evolves in social organisms to enable cooperation and group cohesion.
Like incest, or paedophilia is immoral based on the counter productive consequences of this behaviour.
Having sex with your own relatives increases the possibility of birth defects, and paedophilia cannot result in a birth and may damage the offspring before it has matured.
There is no other reason. These moral behaviour evolved from simple cost/benefit consequences.
Sex evolved to replicate life and then evolved additional utilities.
These additional utilities, because they evolved later, are sometimes corrupted during replication, or by environmental conditions.
The killing of one's own group member is also a part of this ingrained moral standard that makes social unities possible.
Morality based on genetically ingrained, over centuries of evolution, are more powerful.  

Memes are extensions of genes, and so memetically founded ethical standards are representation of these social rules.
The rules may sublimate or contradict genetic inclinations, placing stress upon the individual.
for this reason the threat/promise method was invented.  
The 'supernatural' to impose a limit on the natural.
Ethics evolved to repress or redirect natural behaviours. Monogamy, for humans, is such an ethical rule - a memetic behavioural standard.
It was invented by man to assimilate more males into the group, by repressing natural human drives....particularly those of females.
These rules are less effective and require threat/promise to persist.
Despite this they are continuously failing to bring about the desired outcome.

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Human nature = a compound concept made up of two parts.
Nature = refers to past.
Human = refers to a species, a reproductive type.
Human nature refers to a shared past due to the cooperation necessitated by heterosexuality, manifesting in shared traits.
Each individual is a slight divergence from a shared family past.
Each family is a slight divergence from a shared tribal past.
Each tribe is a slight divergence from a shared racial past.
Each race is a slight divergence from a shared species past.
Each species is a slight divergence from a shared organic past.

Memory (first-hand = experience – second-hand = DNA, third-hand, knowledge) is the connector to this past.
Experiences = first-hand knowledge – nurturing
Genes = second-hand memories inherited from parents – nature.
Memes = third-hand experiences inherited via oral or written language – culture.
Race is, therefore a compound divergence, slightly modifying inherited potentials in all shared traits.
The progression increases the modifying divergence.
Human nature is this shared past that diverges from other species, and species is a shared past that diverges from other organic life on earth.

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Memory can be ignored, denied, forgotten, or it can remain unknown....but it cannot be expunged, cannot be erased.
Memory refers to what cannot be changed - altered/erased - immutable. It refers to God, as a determining concept, that is both ordered, knowable, and chaotic, unknowable, mysterious.
The present re-minds us of the past as appearance - aesthetics.
Presence is chaos and order synthesized as interactivity that can be perceived and converted to phenomenon - the apparent.
In the ordered apparent the random reveals itself as the unforeseeable making consciousness necessary - free-will is this organic consciousness of the immediate, the apparent, that adjusts to the unforeseen.
Chaos, correctly defined as randomness, determines the degree of freedom will has.
Will refers to the aggregate energies, conscious and unconscious, the mind can focus upon an objective.
The objective is the product of juxtaposition and triangulation - evolving from dualistic juxtaposition towards higher forms of judgment that triangulate. Value refers to this juxtaposition and triangulation.
Through the apparent the past is revealed - uncovered, un-forgotten (aletheia).

No judgment is absolutely correct, so this juxtaposition, triangulation, must be continuous - every time slightly adjusting to errors in evaluation and to the cosmic flux of interactivity - consciousness mirrors cosmic fluidity, attempting to harmonize with it.
Cost/Benefit is the outcome of every judgment and subsequent interaction that is informed by its judgment - applied.

Philosophy attempts to become efficient by minimizing the cost of every wrong application of judgment, by using the juxtaposition of ideas, given a symbol/word - theoretical.

The effectiveness of such a method is dependent on the minds qualities, involved in this method - their honesty, constitution, courage, integrity.
Philosophy fails because only a few minds possess the right traits, cultivated to the right balances to remain objective and free from corrective elements, like self-interest, emotion, particularly fear, fatigue etc.
In this case application of theory resulting in costs/benefits is more effective.

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Cost/Benefit refers to the evaluation of the consequences after every interaction in relation to self or to an objective and/or external standard of measurement.
The mind juxtaposes the consequences in relation to his judgment of the objective, using himself (subjective) or a different, indifferent, standard (objective) of measurement.
This is the triangulation of actor (will)/objective/consequences (cost/benefit).
The accuracy of the judgment of objective and of costs and benefits determines the effectiveness of the actor's corrective adjustments.
The slightest error in judgment results in error in application and an increase in unforeseeable consequences - costs/benefits.
An error may be costly or beneficial, yet it remains an error which cannot be repeated because it was not foreseen nor intended.

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Cooperative reproduction and survival specialization cultivates particular traits in specific ways, establishing a relationship between individual, part of a species, and environment.
Mutations occur and are passed on to offspring.
Mutations are add, or subtract from the individual's traits, affecting its performance - with cost/benefit consequences.
Those that add to performance add to the individual's reproductive and survival potentials.
Those that subtract decrease this performance.
This is natural selection. Higher performance leads to more offspring, and/or to more ease in survival, which adds to symmetry/proportionality.
Some mutations neither add nor subtract from the individual's performance. These are latent and may be triggered by environmental shifts.
Therefore, a mutation which was inert or did not add nor subtract in one environment, will add or subtract when environmental conditions change.
Organism is in constant interaction with environment, including other organisms - relationship.

Human intervening, produces particular environments, depending no where and how the intervention occurs. This is determined by the group's ideals - memes.
The idea(l) determines how the group relates to its environment, and what it values, what are its goals, what does it idolize. This determines where and how they will intervene.
These interventions alter the environment, and in turn the relationship of individual with it - meaning it adjust cost/benefits.
Adjusting the performance enhancing or diminishing of mutations, and it may even make latent mutations negative or positive to an individual's performance, and subsequently its survival and reproductive potentials.

A two-headed goat, for example, is a natural occurrence.
This mutation either adds or subtracts from the individual goats performance, determining if the mutation will persist or be culled, if no intervening will adjust costs/benefits for its own reasons.
A mutation that adds a toe to cheetah's either contributes to the individual cheetah's performance within the species specialized method of reproduction and survival, or it reduces its performance.
This will determine if the extra toe will be passed on and become a common trait defining the species, or if it will be culled out of the species.

Mutations are a product of Flux.
If all were perfectly ordered then everything would converge towards a uniformity.
But flux is order and chaos, which alters environmental conditions, gradually to suddenly, and produces mutations in an individual during its lifespan, and during its reproductive cycle, passing on mutations to offspring.
The cost/benefit of a mutation is a measure of the relationship of an established and proven method of reproduction and survival and a continuously altering environment.
Mutations are, therefore, both caused by Flux and a response to it. They are how life adjusts itself in relation to world - ordering adapting to order/chaos in constant interactive fluidity.
Environment slightly adjusting organic traits in a way that can be incorporated into the species established reproductive and survival methods.

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An organism relates to world (environment) through its senses. This relationship produces reactions.
Genes, through the senses establish a relationship with world, through which the individual evaluates its place and its quality.
Memes establish a mediating lens that adjusts this relationship and along with it the individual's sense of place and of presence – meme modifies the relationship, multiplying or dividing it.
The meme also acts as a point of self-referential validation, and circumvention of the senses.
The individual can orient itself and judge itself by completely ignoring sensual data. Meme converting lenses to mirrors, with varying degrees of opaqueness.
To create a mirror you must darken the side facing away, creating a reflective surface that also inverts the iamge.
The meme acts in the same way when it is nihilistic. The degree of its nihilism measured by the degree of its opaqueness, with the extreme being a total darkening of the back-side of the lens (solipsism), the one facing outward, leaving one side, reflecting inward, so that the mind perceives self reflected back to itself inverted.
Language is the lens, intervening between subject and object. It is either translucent, acting as a focus of subject to object, or it is opaque reflecting back to the subject its own projections.
Narcissism is being lost in your own reflection words referring back to self, warping the image or inverting it.

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The reflective mirroring can act as a mesmerizing surface.
The mind perceiving itself reacting to its own perceptions, discovering in them patterns it then associates with world, because self is a product of world.

Perceiving self perceiving itself, reacting to itself, can become a self-referential loop.

In art this becomes a projection of the artist's own reaction to world - externalized reactions via a medium, becoming a idol for self-contemplation.
The observer finding patterns in his own projections to then reflect upon, and to decipher, leading to a new projection.

To stabilize the process and give it a cohesion, the artist chooses a unifying theme, making it the identifying icon of his reflections of his own projections.    
It becomes a replacement for orienting objective, a kind-of buoy as it dives deeper into its own psyche.
Reactions to his own reactions of a projection lost in time-space, like a diver loses sight of the surface he dove into, loses his sense of up and down.
With no external stabilizing reference in the indifferent real this process can go on, in infinite regression, becoming stranger and stranger - surreal.
Abstraction built upon abstractions with nothing to connect it to the world but emotion, sensations.

Philosophy being a form of semiotic art falls victim to this losing an anchoring in the real.
A philosophy can be built by referring words/symbols to more word/symbols, a perspective on another's perspective, with the world nowhere to be found - but alluded to, like a peripheral vision, of a surface the diver has lost sight of.
As one dives further into the abyss of the internal, only a faint glimmer of light, infused by the liquidity of flux, hints at a surface. The diver is immersed in his own thoughts, reflected back to him.
He is in the abyss of his mind (nous - νους), contemplating himself contemplating himself.....
Meditation is broken only by an external consciousness contributing its own meditations.
We are in the realm of the mystical, the occult.
Philosophy built upon [philosophies, referring to philosophies, reacting to philosophies that are commentaries on philosophies.
Perspective built on perspective referring to perspective, reacting to perspective that judges a perspective.
Art of art, reacting to art, referring to another's art, as a copy and imitation of an art of another art...

Inter-Subjective cocooning.

In such a diseased environment how you define a word is no longer dictated by a world indifferent and independent of the mind's interpretations and reactions, but it becomes a definition referring to another's definition, based on a reaction and so on.
The mind can define a concept in a way that would make it impossible to find a reference outside itself. It can then spend a lifetime searching for what it has no hope of finding.
To explain why it cannot find it it will then fabricate supernatural, surreal, justifications.
It does not want to find the concept as it has defined it, because it intuitively knows it will be detrimental to its well-being - the brain protects itself by defining concepts in ways that will make them unreal, and by doing so the possibility of finding the reference are nil, and along with this nil the possibility of being threatens, hurt, insulted, also become nil.
The mind self-deceives to self-preserve, having placed its survival above its desire to see existence, and its own place within it, as clearly as possible.
Mind plays a word game with itself.
It's only interest in language, and philosophy, is to find loop-holes, or methods of Gordian semiotic knotting.

Such minds are prone to addiction, finding in chemical inebriation the same disconnecting numbness and surreal self-hypnotism that relieves their existential anxieties.

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So life evolves from dualism into a triadic in a multi-dimensional cosmos.
Life relates to cosmos as a triad developing a fourth conception of possibility, in a cosmos that began as a dyad, and then exploded towards multi-dimensional space/time.
Increasing randomness refers to this continuously fragmenting, multiplying, dimensions.

Absolute chaos would mean infinite possibilities.....so it is as absent as the singularity - all absolutes being abstractions existing only in the mind as vague concepts.
God, in the Abrahamic sense, refers to this non-existent singularity, and Satan refers to this absolute randomness of chaos.
Chaos makes life possible.
We see here why Satan is worshipped as a necessary evil. Both benefactor and trickster.

Pagan gods were fighting alongside humanity against chaos - Titans.
This is why they related to their gods as superior beings, superior anthropomorphized forces, not as salves to master, as the Abrahamics relate to their singular one-god.

The evolution from simple dualistic organisms, to tridiastic ones, indicates an ascent, and the deciding factor was the evolution of the nervous system/brain, that divided and synthesized mind/body, in the third person.
I've described the ascent of consciousness from lower to higher in metaphorical terms [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

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We find in the triad the entire canon of modern spirituality.
An idealization of the yet to be completely known and understood, and its representation in allegories and mythologies.

Nervous system evolved last, and language emerges from the nervous system synthesizing and interacting with the world beyond the mind/nervous stem/body triad.
Semiotics are crucial as they both give form to the apparent, and give form to its product, the abstraction.
So they are part to assimilation (input) - abstraction.... and part of their return outward as expres​sion(output) - art.
Confusing the two is where nihilism begins.

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The ineffectiveness of language is the result of a triad, tending towards a fourth, relates to a multi-dimensional existence that is fragmenting continuously.
The lag is increasing producing more alienation.
Man invents technologies to speed up his cognitive ascent.

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From interaction between patterns, and random energies emerge dualistic life forms who have memory, in the form of DNA, and presence - base.
Evolution adds projected future to produce triadastic organic life - superior.
This is the advancement from simple to complex life forms, with the evolution of the nervous system.
Language emerges from this triangulaiton of body/mind via the nervous system, or past (precedent - memory)/present (appearance - presence) via a projected future (probability - idealism)

Past/Present/Future
Body/Nervous System/Mind
Metaphysics/Physics/Ideals
Reason/Will/Passions

Judgment is triangulation, and juxtaposition/comparison, revealing divergence.
Judge/Observer...juxtaposing objective/ideal, with world/presence/appearance = consciousness.
Observing/Mind....juxtaposing past/body with other/physical presence (world), or with other/objective/future = self-consciousness.

Subjectivity uses self, as the evaluating standard - measuring, judging = self-referential.
It holds the world accountable to its ideals, based on need/suffering and its coping/compensating methods.

Objectivity places the measuring standard outside self, in world, or in other (icon/idol). The objective mind holds itself and others accountable to a common external to all, and indifferent measuring standard.

We can now appreciate the perception of divergence as an essential component of what we call consciousness and judgment.
Juxtaposing observer, observed and standard, the mind perceives change (movement) and difference (identity). This data is then triangulated in mind to produce understanding, or to find meaning.

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Body/psychical = past made presence - precedent.
Nervous System/dynamic = presence interacting and appearing.
Mind/idealism = projected past into unknown possible future.

Simple organisms, such as plants, are past made present. Lacking a nervous system they cannot project into future - dyad.
Complex organisms, like humans, are past made present, projecting towards future - triad.

Nihilists want to revert to a dyad, an either/or, but not like a plant....they want to eliminate the physical, the past.
They consider this 'liberation', or in spiritual terms 'salvation'.
In their ideal world (projection of possible future - immanence), there is no past - the body is 'overcome' and they are entirely presence projecting towards future - progress they call it.
It's mostly positive (positive nihilism) because the future is always conceptualized as being 'better' than the present - always full of potential, full of hope.
A nihilist is like an inverted plant, or simple organism: not past made present, but present projecting future unhindered by any past. It is neurotic because it is nervous system/mind, with the 'body' being the projection of an objective - it is under construction, always coming to be.

Cosmos itself is dyadic, cause/effect of interaction. It has no memory so it is not alive, like a plant is. The past does not inform the interaction, as presence, like it does for living unities - organisms.
Yin/Yang, Order/Chaos....from which simple organic life emerged mirroring this duality.
But this conceptualization of the multiplicity of Flux is an organic fabrication using the dyad - the simplest form of conceptualizing - binary logic, dualism.
In reality the cosmos is multiplicity of interactivity;pattered and non-patterned energies relating....and we can only conceptualize it as dualities: harmony/disharmony - interaction = attraction/repulsion.
This evolves into good/bad, friend/foe, fight/flight, good/evil, God/Satan...etc.

Nihilists want to 'progress' towards the imagined state of a presence with a future but no past - a constantly reinventing itself presence.
This is how they conceptualize their projected 'ideal', naming it God. One-God is the implosion of this dualism into a singularity - synthesis - one as god absorbing the nil.
Through the duality they fantasize becoming a singularity:
presence with no future, no past.
Another way of conceptualizing death, only for them it is a dynamic singularity that is a singularity with no past nor a future, encompassing a dynamic state with past/present/future.
The 'ideal' contradicting the 'real' - noumena contradicting experienced phenomena. Noetic usurping, negation of phenomenal reality. Precedent, stored in memory is erased - forgotten - body is symbolically negated.
They achieve this miraculous feat by projecting their 'mind' into an imagined state 'outside' existence.
The mind projecting itself into an impossible future, leaving behind both present and past.
Impossible in that it has no precedent - no past; lacking possibility means lacking a spatial/temporal presence.
They do it by detaching mind, in fantasy (imagination detached from past and present), and constructing an antithesis to past/ present. They invert past/present, and they project this noetic inversion as future - theory.
This is a form of schizophrenia...a schism of mind from body, the future detached from the past, in the present.

In physical contexts this is the mind/nervous system/body dividing mind from body along the nervous system - neurotics.
The past can now be placed in the future, and the future in the past. The mind is no longer restricted by linear time, causal chains, nor by natural order.
This is liberating, but at a cost. Every benefit has a price.
This detachment is reflected in their language use; in their modern dialectics.
This is currently expressed in the post-modern psychosis of negating the physical, the body, in the mind, so as to make it the product of the mind:
Males trapped in female bodies; females trapped in male bodies - appearance is 'superficial' and so race is a social construct....in other words a product of minds - a social construct.

The past/physical no longer determining the present, and the mind/future, but the mind determining the physical.
Sex, race, are determined in past - they are past made present.
This is anathema for the psychotic modern.
They despise anything that imposes a limit on the mind's creativity, on will, the mind's focus of aggregate energies.
They fantasize a world where 'will' replaces 'god' as omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresence.
Mind as god-creator of self.
A world of forgetfulness - no precedent, no past - no physicality, an entirely spiritual existence.

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The Nihilist wants to declare his preference free from precedent. Wants to define words  without references to the sensually perceived, the experienced.

This is what they call 'freedom', sensing it as a divine power of self-determination.
With no past/precedent, the present/appearance can be translated into anything and everything - the past no longer limiting this interpretation.  
Words/symbols acquire the divine power of a godly proclamation 'let there be light' - an invigorating fantasy.
Identity can now be willed, and if it can be willed then what is can only have been willed by a consciousness, a god, or by a collective, a society of wills.
So why not will one's self?
From god to individual, as the consciousness that creates world.
Consciousness not emerging from world, but world from consciousness.
If not god's then who's?
Society's, imposing its will on the individual?  

The individual is raised to the position of deity, willing itself into existence; willing its identity, unhindered by any past, any precedent.
A seductive call for a feeble mind that dreams of compensating for its powerlessness.

No world to stand in the way of an assertive wilfulness, declaring itself whatever it wills, using symbols/words to hide the past, burying it in semantics, or to reinterpret it to accommodate the new identity.
History becomes a product of interpretation. No longer immutable. It, too, can now be changed.

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One theory uses words that are used to declare and only remain loyal to the dictionary for the sake of communicating their fantasy assertions, relying on word juggling to impress and to exploit weakness, feeling it as empowering.
It's use of symbols/words is meant to insinuate what cannot be proven, impress, softening the ego, seduce reducing resistance.
It has little to do with world, as beyond minds, but 'world', defined as humanity.

Another theory remains true to dictionary and connects the words to the experienced world. It gains power from world, applying symbols/words as conduits connecting past, represented in dictionary definitions of conventional thinking, with the ongoing interactivity of the ongoing real world. It does not have to assert, but only reveal, because, in the end, whether it is convincing or not has no effect on anything other than the individuals.
In relation to future it uses symbols/words as lenses, focusing the past/precedent, through the present/will, towards the objective in future.
The ideal is aligned with the past, via the individual.
The past is what lends momentum, whereas for the first it is entirely a matter of wilful proclamations, coercing, manipulating, feebleness - following the noetic, theoretical, abstract path-of-least-resistance.

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The Doric Spartans won the wars, but the Ionian Athenians won the hearts and minds of the increasing masses of mediocrity.
They were the harbingers of a world to come, and to this day we remember the Athenians before the Spartans when we speak of the ancient Greeks.

But we are touched by a tinge of awe when our mind finally recalls those who even the Athenians feared, and admired.

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A wrong judgments are harder to predict than a right ones, because there's a myriad ways to go wrong, and only few that correspond to a shared world, in relation to an objective.
The irrational fills us with anxiety because its actions do not correspond to any patterns we can detect.
A madman abides by the 'reasoning' that only refers to its own madness. To an external observer, there's no way to make sense of it...because the shared world cannot act as a standard.
The madman lives in his head.

World is indifferent to consciousness and judgments.
Life emerges within the cosmos and is then confronted with it unconsciousness, its indifference.
It is the organism burdened with the consequences of its evaluations of itself and the cosmos it must navigate.
The price is high.
Natural selection filters out bad judgment calls, allowing the good ones to pass-on to the next generation.
But if protected from the consequences they multiply resulting in an imbalance nature will correct sooner or later.

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The female is the perfect natural agency: judgmental, filtering natural and later social types, harsh in her evaluations and then forgiving with her investments.
She is cold and meticulous before she passes judgment, and then forgiving and patient with the consequences.
Her judgment, expressed as choice, is the point when her resistance becomes submission – she gives it and takes it back, shifting like the fluctuating cosmos.
She feels violated when this choice is denied her, forcing her to endure what she did not willingly accept as a necessary risk.

The male emerges from woman, and is the perfect human agency: he is the representative of his genealogy, and births the ones to come.
His judgment is severe after he's made his investment, cruel with himself, through them.
He challenges authority – nature's agency first, the feminine, and then his own. He berates and criticizes, urging himself to adapt, or die trying.
The consequences of his choices he evaluates as validations of his judgments. He adjusts and moves forth, gradually becoming experienced, more confident, and stronger.
He admires, fears and wants to dominate the feminine, beginning with the feminine in himself.
For man, woman is a means – through his synthesis, his relationship, with nature, with feminine agency, he constantly reaffirms his own existence.
For woman, a man is an end – through her synthesis, her relationship, with human agency, she constantly evaluates her own value, and reinvents herself accordingly.
She admires, fears, and is sometimes amused with the masculine, beginning with the masculine in herself.

Feminine = physical, body
Masculine = psyche, mind

Body is a manifestation of past. It is past made present – appearing (phenomenon).
Mind is projection of past towards future. It is the ideal, orienting the will towards an objective (noumenon).
Nervous System is where mind/body have intercourse – synthesizing, combining, creating, and procreating.
It is where mind/body react to immediate dynamic existence.
It is where language begins – art.
Higher organisms, like homo sapiens, are this triad of body/nervous system/mind, corresponding to past/present/future.
'Lower' is differentiated from 'higher' by the degree the future participates in its becoming.

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Hate to repeat buuut....

In natural circumstances there are no philosophical debates, because none are required.
All moral, empirical, ontological, epistemological issues are settled by the outcome.
all result in a frame of mind, and if this mind applies its judgments in accordance to its stated principles, it faces consequences it cannot blame anyone and anything else for.
Only man, who wants to avoid the more risky method of application does a debate try to avoid application and settle for theoretics and endless linguistic interpretations and reinterpretations.
Only man, with his ability to project, can an individual project the costs upon another and conveniently accept the benefits of all judgments.
Only man becomes so entitled as to expect others to step in and protect it from the consequences of its own judgments, calling it a 'right', selectively unloading the costs upon other and accepting the benefits, resulting in over-inflated egos.

In nature bad judgments face consequences, and if the individual organism fails to evaluate correctly the reasons why it failed and the reasons why it succeeded, it is doomed to rely on chance, or to repeat the same outcomes over and over again.
Natural selection evolved intelligence when the organism either perished, because of a bad judgment-call, or it failed to correct a bad judgment-call, yet it managed to survive.
Only man, in the last century, has developed this sheltered sense of invincibility projected as an intuited insecurity compensating for itself by manufacturing excuses and alternate realities to accuse and to escape.  

In nature there are no moral dilemmas.
An individual makes a choice....chooses a course of action, and then suffers the consequences...both good and bad.
It can rape, kill, fornicate and bear offspring with its own parent....it can do anything.
But then it has to pay the price.
Not necessarily from others....but from nature itself.
There's a cost the individual pays, no matter how ignorant it is, or how it denies culpability.
If it only blames others, it is condemned to repeat the same mistakes and suffer the sake costs.

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Nothing exemplifies the detachment of symbols from world better than what has been done to money.
A representation, abstraction, of resources it was disciplined by the gold standard.
Nihilism detaches all symbols from reality and idealizes them.

Money, like all semiotics, has been detached and sanctified. It has come to represent god, or god's presence, doling out judgments that 'correct' nature.
Money can erase the past, forcing others to pretend they are buying into your contrived identity.
It can buy you respect, love, 'heaven on earth'.

Its promise binds you to its fantasy, and most become debt slaves by the time they leave University.
Usury was a form of sacrifice upon the money-god's altar of those who had blasphemed against natural order and had dared to challenge the gods.
Vanity, ambitions, hedonism, materialism to feed uncontrolled passions were used to harvest from the weak what remained of their pride.
Those who offered themselves as tax collectors became those who took advantage of needs produced by their relentlessness - mediating servants between the upper and lower classes, skimming from the excess fat their excessive service fees, growing in boldness until they made the world kneel.

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Existence defined as dynamic interactivity, implies that there are no absolutes and that man exists using approximation of what is continuously shifting.
This makes understanding an advancement, in relation to knowledge, because it perceives patterns that determine the interactivity of patterns, and offer a long-term application.

Man can only approximate, establish a mental map, and then judge how to navigate it towards an uncertain objective.
In all this uncertainty only the outcome, the consequences decide how accurate his approximation was.
Outcomes expressed as costs/benefits in relation to the intended.
Outcome that the individual must also accurately judge if he is to adjust his judgment and his course of action.

In all this there are many potential errors to be made.
Beginning with the projected objective that can be overestimated or underestimated. The objective is often hyperbolic to inspire the payment of greater efforts greater risks, and greater costs.
Then there's the mapping out of the objective in relation to other phenomena that become obstacles towards its attainment.
Then there's the flawed estimation of self, in relation to the objective and the obstacles confronting the individual.

One way of coping is to become as indifferent as possible towards the objective and the risks/costs one must pay in its attainment....finding out one's won quality on the way.

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"The unexamined life is not worth living" - Socrates.
And the unsuffered life cannot be evaluated.

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How myth passes on in modern consciousness as truth.
The official narrative is that the ancient Greeks took their alphabet from the Semites, the Phoenicians, and only added vowels.
Yet, they've found amphore with grammic B dating back to before any contact occurred and which resembles Greek.

The richest language is now being slandered and degraded...simplified to accommodate mediocrity.
The tonal system is being abandoned, and increasingly the inferior English is corrupting it in daily use.
Dumbind-Down.

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Greek Alphabet: the history and power of a super-weapon - Antonios, Antonakos

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The concept, as you can imagine, has been corrupted by Abrahamism....it has been reinterpreted to fit into Judeo-Christian dogma by adding the component of altruism...as they've done with everything.
The concept philotimo, is comprised of two parts.
Friend, similar to philosophy.
Timio....indicating an aristocratic appreciation of what is right, what is correct, despite feelings, and someone being hurt.
It is a call to nobility of spirit, placing 'truth' above all, including one's own interests, feelings, and desires.

Τιμη = cost, price.
Accepting the cost of speaking the truth.
Acknowledging and accepting the price of your words, actions, forcing you to consider them, accounting for the consequences.
It is about the nobility of doing what is right, what is honourable, despite the costs.

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Almost every paradox, every conundrum, is founded on an intentional erroneous definition of a word.
Modern philosophy is built on words defined in ways to produce an effect.
This is always intentional bit not always conscious.
The mind subconsciously defines words to perplex itself, finding in confusion relief from the indifferently obvious.
It's all self-induced mind-games.
Without this linguistic methodology civilization, as we know it, would be impossible.

The tricksters state it openly, daring others to discredit and deny them.
'First came the word...'
Once you accept this fallacy, the self-consistent  'logic' falls into place.
The current madness is this 'logic' exposing itself, to itself. The trickster has allowed amateurs to perform the magic trick, exposing the sleight-of-tongue to a perceptive mind.
Risking the collapse of the shared delusion that makes the performance magical, under the circus tent, it falls back to past intricacy, when the professionals, the priests, did not allow amateurs to take the stage.
Behind cloche and dagger, and multi-pocketed capes, the magic trick returns, leaving behind the naked-body performances, pulling rabbits from unspoken orifices, by individuals high on their own centre stage.

Every magic trick begins with misdirection.


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'Free-Will' is not something that exists or does not exist, like a thing, or a phenomenon.
Will = aggregate energies at the organism's disposal.
The organism is not entirely aware nor in control of all its energies.
Nevertheless, by focusing and directing the organism towards an objective, an ideal, it is directing all of its processes.

Free = is not an absolute, as there are no absolutes outside linguistics and noumena.
Free means independent.
The degree to which the organism can contradict its past, or direct them away from the path-of-least-resistance, towards a path-of-more-resistance.
This slight modification is what constitutes the degree of freedom the will can have.
Like a swimmer can turn to swim towards the river's current, or parallel to it, or he lets himself go and is carried away by it.
In my view, this can only be possible if the cosmos is not entirely ordered, entirely determined, otherwise even your choice to swim against the current has been determined. This is another way of describing the Christian dilemma concerning God as creator:
If god created man, in his image, how, then, does he hold him accountable to actions he created, he determined?

The solution is alluded to in the Yin/Yang Tao symbol.

The 'tension' of existence, represented by the dualities of positive/negative, 1/0, good/bad, or even Apollonian/Dionysian...and order/chaos.
If chaos only means complex order, then there is no duality, but a singularity, a one-God, an absolute.
This contradicts the experience of exiting.
Nothing matters, in such a case...sex, race, species...nothing.
All is one.

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A Lecture on Hellenic Cosmogony.
Unfortunately it's in Greek.



5:20 - Ερω/Εραμαι - desire, passion, attraction.
Not necessarily sexual.  
ερυω - attract, pull.
Related to...
Ελω/Ελαυνο - to put something in motion. To move forward.
It is typical to replace the ρω with λαμδα.
Aiolians used different spelling to represent the two types...
Ερως - sexual intercourse, disposition...
Ερος - to refer to synthesis.  

Eros as one of the cosmic creative forces.
38:00 The 'E'  representing Eros, has three expressions....Spiritual/Psychological/Physical.

7:47 The speaker claims the word ερος has as a root the word αρω...to stimulate, fertilize, raise, take, sperm, intercourse..he gives a list of words.

11:50 - a representation of Hellenic cosmogony.
Being/Chaos/Gaia/Eros
Eros is what 'moves' all....in my terminology 'inter-activity': attraction/repulsion.
It refers to 'harmony' with is how all inter-relates. This takes the 'positive' vantage point.

20:40 - the triad is a sequence: chaos/gaia/eros.
Chaos - randomness /Matter-Energy - patterns / Eros - interactivity

22:50 - Eros is divided in two...like Yin/Yang...Neikos/Philotis Νεικος/Φιλοτης¨in my metaphysics attraction/repulsion.
notice the root word for 'friend' in philotis.

23:30 - He explains Plato's narrative.
The cosmic 'egg' is vibrated by eros, bringing the four elements (fire, earth, air, water) into intercourse.
The cosmos is described as an oval egg...a container. Eros stimulates this container.

28:00 He goes into how 'on' being ον does not consist of an internal/esoteric, and an exoteric/external being...but is one and the same.
Appearance IS essence. No divide between mind/body.
Identity IS behaviour. Actions reveal intent...choices reveal spirit.

32:07 - Chaos is defined as invisible/formless/indeterminate.
The defining characteristics of chaos as the Greeks understood it.

33:12 - Gaia (matter) is visible, with form, and determined. It is presence that can become apparent.
He then connects it with idea/ideal, the noetic, as being invisible, indeterminate and formless until it is applied, converting it to phenomenon.

34:40 - Hermes: as it is above so it is below.

37:00 - He uses the metaphor of care, of caring to describe the relationship between gaia and eros.
Just as the creator must care for his creation, so is eros gaia's expression of maintaining creation.

41:00 - He uses the Big Bang to explain how as we distance ourselves from the near-perfect singularity, we divide and separate.
Like electricity loses voltage when it is transferred across distances.
He calls the Big Bang the 'centre of creation'.
The metaphor God ought to apply.

44:50 - He divides being into four: Gods/demons/heroes/humans...the furthest from the centre of being distinguishing them.
Here ον is used to refer to order.
God being absolute order. Gaia is what he calls it.
So as being expands towards the edges of chaos the more divided and heterogeneous it becomes.
In my metaphysics, the near absolute point, the singularity, explodes into what we call 'creation' and tends towards absolute chaos, absolute heterogeneity - disorder.
From near-absolute order, towards near-absolute randomness.

48:00 - Chaos (Χαος), in Greek, also means expanse, chasm, void...
So the more distance form the centre of being, the Big Bang where the singularity almost became BEING, the furthest we must ravel to return, recall it.

53:00 - Eros, is therefore what keeps things together...interacting, relating.
We can say it is order's mechanism of binding into bigger, higher, unities.
It is attraction, harmony between patterns, order.

Chaos,a s randomness, cannot unify, as it is always not in harmony with anything.
It is the repulsive force of distancing, which makes consciousness,a awareness, possible - we discriminate, because we are conscious, he juxtapose, we judge...using disparity, differences. We must hold something at a distance to perceive it. We are conscious by separating....suing difference within the sameness.

1:02:00 - Eros is the swirling the vibration, the oscillation that we call movement, momentum, unifying and separating...attracting and repelling - interacting.

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What is world?
Not a thing, a whole, a one.
This is how the mind can conceptualize it.
The concept of a universe, implying a 'oneness', can only be conceptualized by excluding self from its noetic premises.
The mind projects itself in the unreal, the 'outside' the real, to construct the idea of a whole, a one-verse, a singularity.
From the inside all is multiplicity of pattered and non-pattered energies; all is processes interacting.
In the mind the abstraction creates absolutes...because it must.
It names its abstractions absolutes, to define, describe, express an extreme degree of confidence, certainty.
Yet, in world, there is no immutable, no indivisible 'one'.

The conundrum is produced when the mind confuses its abstraction of the real, for the real itself; when it confuses its simplification/generation, for the chaos/order interacting in constant dynamic flux; when it mistakes its won noumena, as being more than representations of phenomena.
The paradox is entirely linguistic.
Sometimes intentionally, sometimes unintentionally, the artistic mind mistakes its creation, its art, for the world it represents.
It tricks itself, or falls victim of its own fabrications.

The division of ideal/real is the division of noumenon/phenomenon, the representation/represented...the division of subject/object.
Desire is so great, in the subject, that it fantasizes, corrupting its evaluation of the object, in relation to the objective, or itself, the subject, in relation to them both.  

What is Freedom?
Independence...not an absolute, but a degree liberation from the determined.
What value does bravery, choice, life have when all is determined and no choice made, nothing willed, could have been otherwise?
What is the value of an act that could not have been otherwise?
What does it matter what I choose, when the choice is not mine; when what I chose was inevitable?
What is my part, my contribution worth, if it cannot have been any other way?

The mind can only hold itself responsible if it is a participant in its own existence.
If not...life and every action taken, every choice made, is nothing more than a scripted event the mind can only acknowledge.  
The only way the past cannot be a authoritative, singular, creator god, is if there is more than order, but also chaos, defined as randomness.
We can only perceive and appreciate and call what has been determined by interactivity an immutable whole, because it is memory stored in memory, of what cannot be changed.
But present is the past manifested and the immutable, determining, mutating, interacting.
The present is where chaos intervenes and allows free-will to slightly alter course, contributing to what will become immutable, determined past - memory.
Past can only be stored as ordered memory...but the present is dynamic, where order and chaos interact, making consciousness necessary, and the Will the focus of this determined past towards an undetermined future, in the interactive, dynamic, present.

Linear time describes a cosmos tending, moving, towards absolute randomness....from near-absolute order, the imperfect, incomplete, singularity...towards near-absolute chaos, the never to be completed state of infinite possibility, where all is equally, uniformly possible, and no probability disturbs the infinitely and equally possible.

When we speak of world, we refer to cosmos, not universe.
Cosmos of cycles, producing continuous 'beginnings' or 'big bangs' - from near-absolute oneness, towards near-absolute chaos.
Multi-verses.
Each slightly different from the previous, because of randomness.
A near-perfect copy, but never the same.
Lives relived, but not exactly as they were.  No continuity....without an unbroken causal chain, stored as memory.
Some cosmic cycles producing no life...others producing different kinds of life.

The Big Bang is not a singular event...in space/time. It is a continuous event, that re-occurres.
One cycle giving rise to the probability of the next.
We can conceptualize it as a 'whole', in the same way we conceptualize world as such. By extricating ourselves, noetically, from the process.
The endless re-occurences, part of the cycles, can now be conceptualized as belonging to a singular whole.
Each separate from the others, and all part of one.

Absolute order implodes the entirety into a singularity.
The absence of it makes the entirety unpredictable, not entirely foreseeable, necessitating will...making order precious, attractive, desirable.  
Making the appreciation of higher order the aristocratic ethos.  

If order is inevitable, is in all, then what is its worth?
If all is love, then what is the value of one's love, and of being loved?
We can say that even hate hides a secret 'love', as we can say complexity is chaos, hiding a secret order.

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Life defined as a 'yes-man' a yay sayer to itself.
Existence affirming itself existing.
This is what nihilism has come to - its telos.
A circularity.
Life defined as a solipsistic game of self-affirmation.

There can be no wrong.
Even an error is part of the self-affirmation game.
One is simply ignorant of his role as universal masturbation.
It's all a matter of being aware of your own impotence...as a medium for the 'one' to play with itself.
God gave free-will to man, his creation, to entertain himself, to pretend he is involved in something independent from his authority.
The 'free-will' dilemma was: 'You either follow god's will, or you suffer for an eternity'.
Secular nihilism posits it thusly: 'All is determined, including your rejection, refusal of the determined'.

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