A Wake-up Call

Like I said before, I speak poetically. Just because I say, " This is our Jihad " that doesn't mean I'm claiming we are in a literal holy struggle; our struggle, our war, is noble, not holy.

Don't get so caught up in the language.

And the word " Jihad " is not inseparable from its history; that's just you nit-picking and making some lackadaisical excuse to save face.

You knew what I meant.

And how transparent it is that you cast all these aspersions on me, so people, esp. one person, don't possibly interpret you as taking my side or as being agreeable towards me.

Perpetual shows just a bit of antagonism towards your initial comment and then you, in your fear of being perceived a certain way towards me, flip to the other end of the spectrum to mollify any possible suspicions.

Weak

I forgot li'l Erik gets appreciation for one video and that means it locked forever for anything else he does from then on... its not like, anybody could be totally unemotional and indept. abt. what they are saying. Image matters to him, and so he thinks it matters to everybody else,,, typically pathetic.

Yea, I am a wannabe in front of Perpetual... whatever.

Meanwhile, nooooooooo, Jihad is a f----ed up shitty concept that is Totally embedded in semitic history. Knowledge is abt. Increased discrimination, not all-inclusive lcds in the name of poetic license, such that we conclude because Vikings eat food, and Pygmies eat food,,, Vikings and Pygmies are the same!

Noooo. And Never.

Anyways. An 'equivalent' to Jihad in the I.E. culture would amount to Maintaining your form in the sense of never forgetting your niche. Who you are, where you come from, what you owe your ancestors requires a constant Remembrance. A Mindfulness.

Jihad is basically to maintain your structure... the com-position of your soul in constant remembrance of what it is, where it is, and its duty... and never deviating from this.

Heidegger called such Remembrance "sorge".

In Sanskrit, such a remembrance is called "smaran" parallel to the Greek verbal conjugation of "Mnemosyne". In Buddhist Pali, it is "samadhi" - the 8 path is the very discipline to such perfect self com-position.

Among the Anglo-Irish and Nordic, the word "wyrd" covered notions of "worth" from self to universal destiny, literally re-Membering yourself to the primordial "orlog".

Some culture memes cannot and should not be translated. Find your own roots.

OhFortunae wrote:

Glory-porn; like that American Psycho character who filmed himself in full ''glory'' fucking a prostitue from behind and making poses while doing so?

Tony's hypermasculine display in scarface and the suicide bombers have something in common - the fetishizing of a "cause" or in the name of a "cause", your glory turns graphic.

Sacredness stretched to a limit, turns on its own limit and becomes profane.

This is what Baudrillard was talking about when he said how things become porn-ish when pushed to the limit... everything becomes an orgy;

Baudrillard wrote:

""Ecstasy of the social: the masses. More social than the social.
Ecstasy of the body: obesity. Fatter than fat.
Ecstasy of information: simulation. Truer than true.
Ecstasy of time: real time, instantaneity. More present than the present.
Ecstasy of the real: the hyperreal. More real than the real.
Ecstasy of sex: porn. More sexual than sex.
Ecstasy of violence: terror. More violent than violence. . . .

All this describes, by a kind of potentiation, a raising to the second power, a pushing to the limit, a state of unconditional realization, of total positivity (every negative sign raised to the second power produces a positive), from which all utopia, all death, and all negativity have been expunged. A state of ex-termination, cleansing of the negative, as corollary to all the other actual forms of purification and discrimination. Thus, freedom has been obliterated, liquidated by liberation; truth has been supplanted by verification; the community has been liquidated and absorbed by communication; form gives way to information and performance. Everywhere we see a paradoxical logic: the idea is destroyed by its own realization, by its own excess. And in this way history itself comes to an end, finds itself obliterated by the instantaneity and omnipresence of the event." [Vital Illusion]

The word vigil meaning Wake or Awakened state has its roots in the word "vigour", "vitality", memory...

"to become awake," a Middle English merger of Old English wacan "to become awake, arise, be born, originate," and Old English wacian "to be or remain awake," both from Proto-Germanic *waken (cognates: Old Saxon wakon, Old Norse vaka, Danish vaage, Old Frisian waka, Dutch waken, Old High German wahhen, German wachen "to be awake," Gothic wakan "to watch"), from PIE root *weg- (2) "to be strong, be lively" (cognates: Sanskrit vajah "force, strength; swiftness, speed," vajayati "drives on;" Latin vigil "watchful, awake," vigere "be lively, thrive," velox "fast, lively," vegere "to enliven;" vigil "awake, wakeful," vigor "liveliness, activity"). Causative sense "to rouse from sleep" is attested from c. 1300. Related: Waked; waking.

Maintaining structure is a perpetual vigilance, a state of ever-vital, mind-full-ness.

Lyssa wrote:

I forgot li'l Erik gets appreciation for one video and that means it locked forever for anything else he does from then on... its not like, anybody could be totally unemotional and indept. abt. what they are saying. Image matters to him, and so he thinks it matters to everybody else,,, typically pathetic.

No, no.

Lyssa wrote:

He's after heroism, not release, is my understanding.
He needs that.

First you start off by stating that I'm after heroism, not release - then, all of a sudden, you switch to claiming that I am just after release, just after "glory-porn". You did this for reasons I already stated.

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Yea, I am a wannabe in front of Perpetual... whatever.

No, you need to pay better attention; I never claimed you are a " wannabe ".

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Meanwhile, nooooooooo, Jihad is a f----ed up shitty concept that is Totally embedded in semitic history. Knowledge is abt. Increased discrimination, not all-inclusive lcds in the name of poetic license, such that we conclude because Vikings eat food, and Pygmies eat food,,, Vikings and Pygmies are the same!

Noooo. And Never.

No, you are now just acting like Arc; being a petty nitpicker, because you are too cowardly to acknowledge you were wrong.

The White race is being systematically assaulted genetically and memetically, and you guys are merely content with talking. Like I said, this forum is great; but more can be done.

I'm not trying to say we need to imitate exactly what the Jihadists do, but we surely can learn a thing or two about their commitment to their people and ideology.

Are you guys void of passion? Where is your thymos? If people were to break into your homes and assault your family, would you just sit in a corner and intellectualize it, or would you pick up a sword and kill?

You guys are emotionally dead, empty; unable to feel strong passions.

Whatever

All or nothing!

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Lyssa wrote:

He's after heroism, not release, is my understanding.
He needs that.

First you start off by stating that I'm after heroism, not release - then, all of a sudden, you switch to claiming that I am just after release, just after "glory-porn". You did this for reasons I already stated.

ADD.

I said he's after heroism... and then his idea of heroism is like that of Tony and the Cartels.

The Hedonist is always quick to assume the positive and self-flattering in everything.

The one who is still twaddling in between pleasure and pain needs to work on that before leaping to caverns and mountains.

No,

it's too late to backtrack now, Lys; you're f-cked.

You were claiming I was after heroism, a heroism distinct from that of what the American military and French foreign legion have to offer, a heroism that has a higher purpose.

Anybody reading this, just go back and read what she wrote and the context.

Nightmare wrote:

The White race is being systematically assaulted genetically and memetically, and you guys are merely content with talking. Like I said, this forum is great; but more can be done.

Like what? Be specific.

Nightmare wrote:

Lys; you're f-cked.

He wishes.

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You were claiming I was after heroism, a heroism distinct from that of what the American military and French foreign legion have to offer, a heroism that has a higher purpose.

And he shows what that Tonyesque higher purpose is:

"Are you guys void of passion? Where is your thymos? If people were to break into your homes and assault your family, would you just sit in a corner and intellectualize it, or would you pick up a sword and kill?

You guys are emotionally dead, empty; unable to feel strong passions."

Its Tony's glory-porn.

The mindless splattering of bullets in all direction and killing yourself in a blaze of glory as a consequence of your stupidity and poor-assessment of your enemy and your environment is called being "passionate and heroic".

Has anything changed since those white rebels shot and opened fire at govt. institutions or churches or whatever?
Their going to prison only raised awareness its not individuals who must be killed, but ideas that need to be overpowered and dismantled.

Building is as Thymotic as destroying... the only enemy is ignorance.. and even there, not everybody should be awakened.
The best heroism in some respects is to let the many carry on exactly as they are.

That church shooter did change something which had not yet been propagated as evil in White consciousness - I am curious how it will go with all this pressuring on the Southerners to take down their flag and heritage; how much they take of mob violence for presenting their flag in their front yards.

perpetualburn wrote:

Nightmare wrote:

The White race is being systematically assaulted genetically and memetically, and you guys are merely content with talking. Like I said, this forum is great; but more can be done.

Like what?  Be specific.

Create youtube channels, leave pamphlets places, make documentaries, speak at lectures, and other things, which I'm sure you already know by now, things I can't say in public or else heat will be drawn here.

How much are you guys doing to combat this memetic disease? How much?

Nightmare wrote:

perpetualburn wrote:

Nightmare wrote:

The White race is being systematically assaulted genetically and memetically, and you guys are merely content with talking. Like I said, this forum is great; but more can be done.

Like what?  Be specific.

Create youtube channels, leave pamphlets places, make documentaries, speak at lectures, and other things, which I'm sure you already know by now, things I can't say in public or else heat will be drawn here.

We're not afraid of the heat. Go forth. But send only your best self.

Don't pretend like you're protecting anyone here.

I can agree on the pamphlets though; initially that was why I bought my printer which I haven't used beside for a few lyrics and plane tickets.

I tried to set up an interview between Greg Johnson [counter-currents] and Satyr.. and sent him one of Satyr's books from the scribd links; we talked a couple of times, but then he didn't get back.
(Arktos publishers said they had a backlog with other issues they wanted to cover.)

It would be better if someone else asked/introduced him or counter-currents to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] for the second time, else it would look like I'm the only one.

Its the most widely-covering and balanced decent journal out there now.

Handing out pamphlets and speaking in public isn't a bad a idea necessarily. It's just that the standards to be received well are so high now. There are a lot of very clever people that can spin what you say and make a mockery of you. You have to be able to speak almost artistically but clearly and honestly. To be able to speak the truth without it coming out flat and dead (like David Duke).

OhFortunae wrote:

That church shooter did change something which had not yet been propagated as evil in White consciousness - I am curious how it will go with all this pressuring on the Southerners to take down their flag and heritage; how much they take of mob violence for presenting their flag in their front yards.

A shared identity already has volume... and here the fight is to even make someone conscious of their real identity.

So far all the ones who have committed violence have been for the wrong reasons - mostly Xt. reactionaries angered against modernity, nwo, etc.
I think the "werewolf" who hasn't yet adapted into the system is like Satyr describes only intuitively aware that something is wrong and off, but still doesnt know what it is. Like a fever he needs to unleash to cleanse himself more than anything.

The irony is, any government representation like one of those senators who contested against "jewish evil" would naturally be ignored as red neck quacks; there's more legitimacy when a common individual does it.

But stupid violence and getting innocents injured is not the answer... not even what we should stand for.

When I was in Wales I gave some ''speeches'' of my writings (which reflect Satyr in regards to memetic culling who introduced me to it) and that of Satyr himself. They liked it very much, though you have to be able to orate, passion in expression.

Lyssa wrote:

OhFortunae wrote:

That church shooter did change something which had not yet been propagated as evil in White consciousness - I am curious how it will go with all this pressuring on the Southerners to take down their flag and heritage; how much they take of mob violence for presenting their flag in their front yards.

A shared identity already has volume... and here the fight is to even make someone conscious of their real identity.

So far all the ones who have committed violence have been for the wrong reasons - mostly Xt. reactionaries angered against modernity, nwo, etc.
I think the "werewolf" who hasn't yet adapted into the system is like Satyr describes only intuitively aware that something is wrong and off, but still doesnt know what it is. Like a fever he needs to unleash to cleanse himself more than anything.

The irony is, any government representation like one of those senators who contested against "jewish evil" would naturally be ignored as red neck quacks; there's more legitimacy when a common individual does it.

But stupid violence and getting innocents injured is not the answer... not even what we should stand for.

What to do but make people gradually aware - to (spontaneously) lecture and leave pamphlets, I agree with. Once you go violent you will attract a lot of people but also leave behind censorship and those who cannot see beyond their goodness, who would have had potential, turn their backs on you; I don't believe that much in innocence though.

The best thing to do is to leave behind the seeds to grow and leave them to stay as they are for those who cannot grasp (have no fertile earth), and at the same time distance yourself as much as you can from societal dependency like Varg. The sword has no fertility in our age yet.

OhFortunae wrote:

Lyssa wrote:

OhFortunae wrote:

That church shooter did change something which had not yet been propagated as evil in White consciousness - I am curious how it will go with all this pressuring on the Southerners to take down their flag and heritage; how much they take of mob violence for presenting their flag in their front yards.

A shared identity already has volume... and here the fight is to even make someone conscious of their real identity.

So far all the ones who have committed violence have been for the wrong reasons - mostly Xt. reactionaries angered against modernity, nwo, etc.
I think the "werewolf" who hasn't yet adapted into the system is like Satyr describes only intuitively aware that something is wrong and off, but still doesnt know what it is. Like a fever he needs to unleash to cleanse himself more than anything.

The irony is, any government representation like one of those senators who contested against "jewish evil" would naturally be ignored as red neck quacks; there's more legitimacy when a common individual does it.

But stupid violence and getting innocents injured is not the answer... not even what we should stand for.

What to do but make people gradually aware - to (spontaneously) lecture and leave pamphlets, I agree with. Once you go violent you will attract a lot of people but also leave behind censorship and those who cannot see beyond their goodness, who would have had potential, turn their backs on you; I don't believe that much in innocence though.

For every church that is burned down, there'll be 10 more that will quickly get funded and set up. That's why its called the Culture of Victims. Its making things worse.

And li'l Erik here finds intellectual efforts feeble, but what do you wake people upto without any substance? What do you have to show them? Years of customs, traditions, wisdom, proverbial and otherwise, and religious and other cultural aesthetics have to be recovered... you have no edifice without it.

Heroic generations may need to be preceeded by very silent ones... but doesnt mean we are lacking in passion or rage. Its sublime.

As for innocence, killing a Jew or Xt. individual does nothing and involves no big deal, a piece of blunt brutality; killing a J.-Xt. mindset needs more sophistry... transforming a j.-Xt. mindset, even more artistry.

I agree on all of it; but I don't like the word ''innocence'' to much even though most people are essentially what they are. It just baffles me that things have gotten to this point with almost no resistance.

The only thing I hope to do is to absorb a lot of cultural elements and pass it on, if I decide so, to my children, which I doubt I will ever have; at least to pass it on through folk stories.

Politics are not viable at present. Politics follow culture and value systems. The value infrastructure does not exist in order for there to be whatever you guys are talking about here.
The other side has the moral authority. For most people, a liberal is the gatekeeper of moral righteousness and has the capacity to reprimand a deviant if they go off-script. This is what needs to be taken from them.

If it ever comes to violence, then that violence will only be the final culmination of the real struggle, which will have been a struggle for the revaluation of values in this culture. Lashing out stupidly will achieve nothing.

The war is like no other because the weapons are ideas and the battleground is the human mind. Actual physical violence is irrelevant.

You tell them they are pagan, and they ask you what is being pagan, and if you do not have the most discriminate answer ready - something more than telling them of worshipping the earth and stars and burning incense, you wont achieve much.

You are more effective attacking a problem, if you have an alternate solution to put in its place.

I personally have not managed that yet; the form of the political structure for the future has not taken shape yet for me. I am willing to procrastinate than jump in blindly hoping we'll sort and solve things along the way. That style can succeed, but its too American for my taste.

''As for innocence, killing a Jew or Xt. individual does nothing and involves no big deal, a piece of blunt brutality; killing a J.-Xt. mindset needs more sophistry... transforming a j.-Xt. mindset, even more artistry.''

Not even the elites will have an impact that much, eventually they are all replaced by their universal copies. That is why I think, as you say greatly, artistry is of such importance to transform them. Prose and poetry, resurrection of myths - story telling, folk songs.

Why has Islam such a great impact upon the minds who are attracted to it beside hyper-masculinity, why is it that the Quran and Hadith are so easily spread orally - poetry. Before entering battle they literally can recite in rhyme, their ideals, for what they stand, what their history is, what their memetic-ancestors did and should live up to. It gives strength, it re-affirms their stand.
Why have we these pop-songs with their catchy tunes; it is a frequency of values the State propagates to keep the people numb and occasionally aware what their values are such as that gay song ''take me to church''.


Hence I see poetry and prose stories with our values, our ancestors - to be of great importance. As did Niezsche with his Zarathustra.

apaosha wrote:

Politics are not viable at present. Politics follow culture and value systems. The value infrastructure does not exist in order for there to be whatever you guys are talking about here.
The other side has the moral authority. For most people, a liberal is the gatekeeper of moral righteousness and has the capacity to reprimand a deviant if they go off-script. This is what needs to be taken from them.

If it ever comes to violence, then that violence will only be the final culmination of the real struggle, which will have been a struggle for the revaluation of values in this culture. Lashing out stupidly will achieve nothing.

The war is like no other because the weapons are ideas and the battleground is the human mind. Actual physical violence is irrelevant.

Yes, abs.

Lyssa wrote:

You tell them they are pagan, and they ask you what is being pagan, and if you do not have the most discriminate answer ready - something more than telling them of worshipping the earth and stars and burning incense, you wont achieve much.

Satyr wrote:

This is a spiritual war, not a religious one, and certainly not a materialistic one.
What we struggle to preserve is our ancestry, our past, our nature, and this is the only meaning to the word “spirit” we can give, because when we say “spirit”, or “soul,” we mean the continuum of circumstances that made our appearance possible; we hold the spirit of our ancestors not as something external to ourselves, but as the most intimate aspect of what we call “I”.
When we use these words properly we take them away from those who have despoiled them with their life-hating mysticism, and we return them to their rightful place within our very becoming.
We, individually, are each the manifestation of this spirit of Becoming, this organic soul that struggles in time and for time.
In this regard we must receive guidance from our spiritual brother in arms, Julius Evola, and his analysis of war – in his treatise The Metaphysics of War.
We know now that this many-times declared war, increasing in intensity to become “hot” and then decreasing to become “cold”; sometimes a war using blades but most often one using no more than words; sometimes turning civil, and then uncivil, is more than a war for survival and over land and wealth.
This war is a war over our hearts and minds.
It is a war of integrity, honor, and spiritual continuity.
We fight not only for ourselves but for our blood.

Satyr wrote:

For Pagans it is nobility, the connection of self to ancestry, to reality, the spirit that refuses to go on living without dignity, honesty, honor.
God, the gods, for the pagans are not some vague abstraction detached from reality, and their morals reflect this.
Pagan gods begin as a worshiping of dead ancestors, manifesting as self.
When a pagan preyed to his ancestors it was to himself, for they participate in his becoming as genetic memory, as DNA.
When he honored his ancestors he honored himself, and when he respected himself he respected his ancestors.
So when he did not want to shame his ancestry he was holding himself accountable in relation to them.
And what are ancestors but past?

Then gods became anthropomorphic representations of natural processes, and those the pagan worshiped because they made him possible.
The past took on a broader perspective, because past = nature - the sum of all previous nurturing.

Nobility finds its meaning here.
To be true to self is to be true to your past.
True to your past is to hold yourself accountable before nature, the sum of all nurturing.
True to your past means your object/objective will not dishonor, or detach from it, nor will this object/objective negate, ignore, forget, this past/nature.

Nobility means to refuse to live without your core principles: honor, dignity, freedom, awareness, honesty...and to hold yourself accountable.
It is refine and discriminate, sharpening your sense of self, your identity.

OhFortunae wrote:

''As for innocence, killing a Jew or Xt. individual does nothing and involves no big deal, a piece of blunt brutality; killing a J.-Xt. mindset needs more sophistry... transforming a j.-Xt. mindset, even more artistry.''

Not even the elites will have an impact that much, eventually they are all replaced by their universal copies. That is why I think, as you say greatly, artistry is of such importance to transform them. Prose and poetry, resurrection of myths - story telling, folk songs.

Why has Islam such a great impact upon the minds who are attracted to it beside hyper-masculinity, why is it that the Quran and Hadith are so easily spread orally - poetry. Before entering battle they literally can recite in rhyme, their ideals, for what they stand, what their history is, what their memetic-ancestors did and should live up to. It gives strength, it re-affirms their stand.
Why have we these pop-songs with their catchy tunes; it is a frequency of values the State propagates to keep the people numb and occasionally aware what their values are such as that gay song ''take me to church''.


Hence I see poetry and prose stories with our values, our ancestors - to be of great importance. As did Niezsche with his Zarathustra.

Islam's success is because it had already understood a religion with fewer theocratic bureuacracy and simple commands will get more people converted than those religions at the time that had meaningful rituals.
Even protestantism is because of this... to do away with unnecessary catholic pomposity.

Simpl'ified' ideas emotionally propagated - ideals of 'heroism' that people cannot shirk from and top that with promise of rewards, whether esoetrically or literally... and you have created a mass identity amongst those original people of the lowest class who had no family customs anyway... discounting family-trade skills.

No need to understand the natural world, when you give their reptilian brains soothing faith.

More inclusivity, lowering the lat, degenerate promises.. Anybody can understand the commands of an allah, fewer the words of Zarathustra if they don't take them already out of context to serve their own judeo-xtian needs.