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Jarno wrote:
This is more like a defense of the modern, not everything is worse:

I rather have faucets/plumbing than having to carry water from the well/lake

And even the modern medicine has not only become worse, living the isolated forest/countryside there could be more unexpected deaths, dental care has become better etc, but yes I get also modern diet makes teeth worse, but don't tell me people didn't smoke back then or not die from not taking care of their teeth properly


Or in the dark something accidentally pokes your eye, it's not fun having to travel 50-200km by foot to closest doctor...

This is a bit of a strawman as well as the thing I responded to, but a lot of people I've seen advocating this type of "trad" lifestyle are alcoholics

"these kids these days are on their computers all the time" while their favorite pass time is getting drunk,
so isn't that kind of biased when they still get to keep their favorite thing, how is that in anyway making the world become a better place if we were going to this type of running in the wheat field type of traditionalism

And if we stayed having simple life and not industrialize/modernize in anyway, ignore outside world, just living in cottages, not have electricity, sooner or later someone else would come there to colonize, so progress is also part of the defense mechanism (you see your neighbor have paved roads, so you must have paved roads yourself as well to travel more efficiently, if there's emergency or if you need to travel or to improve communication between villages/towns)

Counter-signaling "traditionalism" since I feel like a lot of people who advocate this have become dumber and can't actually think what it will be in practice
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In a sense every culture and sociopolitical system that presently exists is modern.
Even sharia law has ‘progressed,’ because change is inevitable necessitating constant adaptations. But that’s not what moderns mean when they use the term. They mean ‘progress,’ as in the movement towards Americanism. They hold the American model as the most progressive, the most modern, viz., what is considered to be the most liberal and nihilistic, freeing men from their undesirable pasts – short for anti-nature. They imagine it as a progressive approach towards the superior, or what is ‘better’ than what preceded it.
Despite the havoc it is producing when and where it is adopted, they persist in believing that this “liberation of man from nature” is a movement towards the better – secularized salvation.
Ironically, this progressiveness is currently destroying the United States, as they proudly declare that there are no modern American men nor any women who would willingly return to traditional lifestyles, whilst their own systems are imploding because of this fact, in as much as it is a fact within the American dominion. In their haste to reach this promised techno-utopia where traditions will finally be left behind and forgotten they fail to perceive what their naive fanaticism is causing. Such obtuseness is also a product of America’s progressive modernism.
Jon Stuart Leibowitz discovered about ‘freedom’ what many Americans are realizing about ‘liberal democracy’ and America in general:
Freedom has a cost. Chaos is the price. More freedom means more chaos.
It is now becoming clear that America’s vaunted ‘freedoms’ are becoming progressively selective, because their costs could only be paid when wealth was sufficient to absorb the consequences.
Americanism’s collapse will necessitate a return to traditions they think have been ‘surpassed.’

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