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PostSubject: Modern Sexual Dynamics Modern Sexual Dynamics EmptyWed Dec 30, 2020 1:23 pm

Male/Female relationships in a postmodern, Americanized environment.

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Readjusting cost/benefit considerations is difficult in postmodern environments where mind/body dissonance is present. and dominates everything.
Genes to Memes.

Traditional dynamics no longer apply.
Knowing, and understanding, the environment is the beginning of then placing yourself - know thyself - and the objective - in this case sex or reproduction, via a female - within it.
Value is a tribulation, in this case you, a potential mate and the goal, the objective, whether it be pleasure or reproduction, or something else.
Triangulation establishes the framework of determining the value of the objective, in relation to what you are willing or able to pay to attain it.

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This is a male thing. Women would be appalled by this cold hearted rational discussion over what they an only relate to emotionally.
This is how they relate to almost everything, depending no how feminine their personae is - their inherited personality, product of their hormonal affecting their organ hierarchies.

Males can detach themselves from sex...women cannot. they must be emotionally involved; they must be swept away by the "magic".
Males have an already developed mind/body dichotomy, and this is why males invent nihilism.
women cannot, their mind/body is intertwined...even when it is in conflict. this conflict is experienced, by women, and emasculated, effete, males as a confusion expressed as a contradiction between what they say and what they do.

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The first thing to get over is the environmental shift form paternalistic to postmodern feminized...
A shift that changes everything...just as any change in the environment changes how a subject can relate to and attain its objective.
This isn't your daddy's world. This is a new world order - an Americanised globalized world order.
your daddy was born and raised within Paternalism's dominion. This is not the case in this world order...even if Americanism is in decline. Decades of its dominion has produced a mindset, a psychosis.

This is what Muslims detested about Americanism - not its "lifestyles" or tis "freedoms"...but its affect on their culture, their paternalism, and the behaviour of their females.
Genes to Memes.

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Alpha male does not mean the same in postmodern systems as it does in natural environments.
Alpha female is not a female that behaves like an alpha male...the so-called "strong independent" woman who males are "afraid" of because of how smart and independent she is.

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This primal sexual dynamic is a perfect example of how genetics are converted to memetics.
Just as sexual specialized reproductive roles are converted to gender roles, with its own particular semiotics and ideals within varying cultures.

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PostSubject: Re: Modern Sexual Dynamics Modern Sexual Dynamics EmptyWed Dec 30, 2020 2:40 pm

Watch Joe Rogan discuss common sense shit with a moronic postmodern, like iambiguous on ILP...



These douchebags would deny common sense if it protects them form reality.....that genetics are part of memetics...unless the memes are, like postmodernism and Christianity, and Marxism, anti-nature, so then they would attempt to annul or invert common sense.
But all nihilists do this, within their preferred contexts...usually in the domain of sex, including homosexuality, and race, to protect their idealized idea that men are all equal and are born as blank slates and it is society that wrongs them.

Genetics does not disappear when man is placed within a manmade system. It doesn't go away. It is integrated or denied, or reversed, or inverted....negated.


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Because sexual identity is central to the human condition it is the context where the relationship between genetics with different kinds of memetics is made the most obvious.
Compare how gender, i.e., heterosexual reproductive specialization, is integrated by Jewish, Christian, Muslim spiritual memes, and then proceed to secular memes, like Marxism, postmodernism - crypto-marxism - and then compare them all to traditional Hellenism, and Norse, i.e., pre-abrahamic pagan, Indo-European, memes.

Postmodern is the most anti-nature of them all, so it serves as a perfect comparison for the study of nihilistic memes, and how they attempt to manipulate semiotics to accomplish their anti-life, anti-nature, ideological utopianism; their word-games annulling pre-existing biological identifiers.
They believe that if you redefine or negate terminologies you erase the biology they refer to.

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Modernism adopted the individual as its highest priority, even fi said individual may carry mutations that might prove to be detrimental to the entire species, or to the welfare of the culture and/or tribe within which he emerged.
No matter what genetic mutations he was a product of they all deserved - have a right - to propagate, if not only to simply survive.
It proposed a techno-utopian ideal - similar to a Star Trek universe - where the individuals particular compounded mutations were compensated for with technologies.

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Within human sexual dynamics homosexuality develops among beta-males as a way of integrating them within the group where only one alpha can exist - reducing sexual friction.
In other social species that exclude excess males, e.g., lions, this is not a issue, but in species where inferior males are integrated to increase survivability, e.g., canines, beta-males experience a testosterone drop, to make them less threatening and antagonistic towards the dominant pair.
This is not much of an issue because all pack members share DNA, so the success of the dominant breeding pair means the success of their shared genes.

This should be kept in mind when humans create genetically and memetically heterogenous systems that attempts to integrate genetically different individuals and where no actual dominant pair is present - because alha-male status is institutionalized, i.e., abstracted. This imposes upon all beta males, if they want to be included, an beta-male psychology, but because an idea cannot copulate with females the so called chad is a male with the alpha-male genetic markers, and attitude, but not to a degree that it would threaten the institutionalized dominant alpha...otherwise they go to jail, or die young, unable to find a balance.


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In homogenous memetic environments the dominant male was a member of the same bloodlines, and held the same values and ideals, so integrating inferior males simply multiplied the potency of their shared genes/memes. In heterogenous systems the disparate racial and cultural types make them a threat to the stability and to the authority of the values and ideals of the system. So, paternalism becomes detrimental to tis stability.
Liberating females from m ales enabled the system - institution - to gain immediate control over them and their offspring - the institution instilling in the offspring males father its own values and ideals.
No alpha-males becomes entirely biological constituting no ideological threat to the system dominated by an abstraction of masculinity; an abstraction any individual can ascend to become its corporeal representation, without ever threatening its core values and ideals.
A chad is like a bull in a farm - used to fertilize ready and willing females before the farmer takes over their care and their protection.

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So, when you're a douche-bag postmodern, convinced that gender is a social construct, you impose rules that are supposed to produce your utopian world of no gender types, but of uniformity.
And despite all your deluded, ideologically based efforts, you still cannot produce the delusion in your head externally.

Just as "affirmative action" has failed to bring about racial parity in the US.
Because it begins with a mistake...so how can it succeed?
Race and sex, are NOT social construct. They are biological. But do they learn?
No, they accuse others of bias, and systemic racism, and continue on, upping their efforts to impose their utopian ideals on a world that just will not adhere to them.

This can only lead to mass exterminations, as it did in Soviet Russia.
Someone had to be held accountable for the system's failures, because questioning the ideology is blasphemy - see Abrahamism on this.



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PostSubject: Re: Modern Sexual Dynamics Modern Sexual Dynamics EmptySat Jul 10, 2021 9:47 am

Cultivating mystery is an aphrodisiac. It inspires the imagination to delve into itself and find there its deepest desires, founded no even deeper needs. [My connection of desire to need has been given]
We see it in practice in Abrahamism, i.e., Cabbalism, Gnosticism, the mysteriousness of multiplicity enclosed by a singularity... the appeal of the idea/ideal, the abstraction that refers to nothing beyond the mind. Pure fantasy.
A disconnection that reproduces the dream state – when brain is disconnected from external stimuli – sources of input – allowing esoteric sources to come forth and dominate.
Romanticism is such a state. The idea/ideal usurping the real, because the real is either too much to handle or far too little to suffice.
With eroticism the other must trigger desire, rooted in a need the mind need not know about, for it would negate the magical spell.
The other must become magical, perfect, pure... or take on any form the lover desires to gratify this hidden need.
This is why erotic love – romantic relationships – have a shelf life... usually around 7 years, maximum, for females and as low as 7 minutes for males.
Then, if there's no agape – rational love – there's nothing left.
Reason is temporarily blinded by desire/need.
Women are particularly prone to such levels of self-deceiving, intoxications, due to the requirements of their reproductive role
Having experienced hunger and thirst, there's nothing that the mind can think of other than a source of tis gratification. All else falls away as irrelevant. The mind is obsessed with satisfying the need, fantasizing about the source in erotic ways, passionately imagining it as extraordinary... a spell that quickly evaporates when gratification is had...
Need/suffering is the experience of existing – an experience only for the living - and so existence can and does develops in the mind of the sophisticated life form an erotic mystification, and with no object to obsess over it becomes enamoured with another living being, if not itself and its own mysterious existence.
It idealizes itself or another, as lovers often do.

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Contributing sub-topic: Sex negative culture.





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Negative attitudes towards nature are transmitted ideologically - from mind to mind.
It establishes a dissonance between mind and body, or the abstract and the real.
Even sex has been infected by this ideological hyperbole which nothing real can ever live up to, producing a disappointment, a negative reaction to the real.

I've described it as "defining concepts out of existence", which is understanding them and defining them in terms that do not correspond to anything actual.
We can place this within feminization of man, as well.
Sex has been romanticized, made into a supernatural or a mystical experience of the mind which the body cannot replicate.

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Chance is another way of self-handicapping, signalling the amount of risk one can survive.

[ MANifesto: Masculine/Feminine – Male – Bad-Boy Factor]

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Being held accountable, culpability, free-will, is the question and the answer.
it's all about who will be held responsible and to what degree, and how much of the responsibility will be shared and the negative consequences evenly distributed.
This is what "social constructivism" is about.

When they say race and gender are social constructs what they are saying is that it "ought to be so", or all must share in the consequences of biology, i.e., genetics.
What leftists want is to impose the collectivization of personal judgements - essentially outsources consciousness - and choices, and to make this easier judgements should remain within the parameters of the "socially acceptable" - moral - so as to ensure that the consequences will not exceed what the collective can efficiently absorb and distribute. Morality becomes disconnected from anything outside the collective, justifying why all must agree to share the burden - self-referential, viz., the collective moral rule demands that all individuals participating uni the collective will accept the negative consequences of another's bad judgements and choices.
Like I've said....when the one-god was declared dead, i.e., debunked, the collective, humanity, became god - this is straight out of Judaism which has abstracted their shared convictions - identity, i.e., meme, ideology - into a mystical divinity representing their shared will.
This was the great revolutionary insight they gained after 40 years wandering in the deserts of the real, from host to host, from culture to culture, appropriating ideas from every host and reshaping them - linguistically - to their shared purpose.

Amorality is just a way of detaching form external behavioural standards so as to be free to then invent new collective norms of behaving, and new sources for an identity, one being the collectivization of identity, i.e., hive mind.
Herd psychology is the first step towards a hive mind.
Denying self must preceded the collectivization of self, just as denying morality must preceded the collectivization of morality.

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PostSubject: Re: Modern Sexual Dynamics Modern Sexual Dynamics EmptyFri Jan 07, 2022 6:42 pm

It's much worse than that...

The "Left-Liberal-Democrat" model treat blacks as Lower than white despite their propaganda, and then make blacks collectively 'pay' for the negative consequences of their Democratic voting-bloc.

This appears in Ghetto-ization where blacks collectively suffer for the costs, failures, and punishment of the Liberal-White-Leftists establishment that has no real intention of 'raising' them up from the gutter.

And yet, they are convinced "You ain't black" (Biden campaign slogan) unless you vote for them.


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As I've explained, at length, in my Feminization of Man essay feminization produces the equal and opposite compensatory reaction of hypermasculinity.
Cultivating passive adherence laws and submissiveness to authority produces a hyper aggressive rejection of all authority, essentially making all resistance impotent.

One version is if one cannot surrender to a totalitarian one-god then he must declare himself god creator of oneself.

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Sex is the primary and often only source of power for women.
Pretty girls often make the mistake of assuming that they attention they receive due to their looks is due to their essence, the spirit.
They become convinced that the attention and respect they receive is because of who they are, and not what they look like - their promise, their means.
Beautiful women think that men listen to what they have to say because they are interesting or smart.....and its not that.

Feminists make a similar mistake.
They assume that they are respected, or even feared, intimidate others, because of their qualities, and not because of their institutional backing.
the myth of the "strong independent woman" who drives males away because they are intimidated by her intelligence or strength, is a modern myth.
All they have is institutionalization. It is the institutions they represent which intimidate or demand respect.

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Sex is the primary and often only source of power for women.

And power, like anything, eventually succumbs to entropy. Modern women, severed from a paternal family structure, lacking any familial values, lacking a strong guiding husband and offspring, no fulfillment of her sexual role, then all that remains is her looks, all she depends on is her ass and tits to get through life and provide her a purpose. Modern males are happy to reciprocate in kind of course, happily perpetuating the problem, adopting the feminine strategy of sexual appeal and promiscuity, which keeps them emasculated or as stunted menchildren and primitive animals who think only with their dicks.

Any value, or life purpose, is only idealized, subjectivized and made into a rosy romantic ideal that will never be attained. Immediate sexual intercourse, mindless courtship rituals, self-indulgence, those are much easier to accomplish.




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In theory sex can be reduced to a social construct whose aim is pleasure, or whatever the individual wants it to be - subjectivity.
In fact, a theory that contradicts the world - ideal contra real - must be supported by a collective - institutionalization - otherwise it is destroyed by reality.
It can only survive when the negative consequences of tis delusions are evenly distributed and collectively absorbed.
t\The problem with this strategy is that negativity eventually becomes too much to be harmlessly absorbed - there are just too many negative consequences to be distributed and absorbed by the collective - ergo the collective must be continuously growing, increasing in number.
When it reaches its limit it also reaches the point where it can no longer absorbed the negative consequences of denial.

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This is what a beta male, pretending to be alpha, looks and sounds like.


Being entirely dependent on another for your self-esteem and your sense of self, is the quality of a dependent mind - inter-subjective means being dependent on another to maintain your world view, your reality, your truth.
This is what I meant when I said that with the demise of the concept of a one-god - the abstraction of an alpha male; idealization - the concept of humanity took its place.
This comes from the Jewish conception of their collective idealized as a divinity - they worship themselves as an ideal, when all other tribes have rejected them, and they worship the nothing when all other tribes reject it, seeing potential in it because of their adopted survival and reproductive strategies.
This is inter-subjectivity where a collective produces its own "reality" within reality - in effect behaving, as if, their shared delusion, their shared artifice, their shared lies, were fact. A psychological inward turning.
This is Magian, the magic of faith using words to produce a shared psychosis, a common hypnotic state.

But I digress.
In this context being dependent on another's approval, on another's judgement, is the hallmark of weakness.

Need = lack seeking satisfaction, satiation in and through another; desire = excess seeking relief/release in and through another.
Lack exposes weakness, dependence.
Will to Power - no pun intended in regard to Will Smith - is an expression of powerlessness. He who has power does not will it; he who is confident in his power does not will it.
Will displays lack, the quintessential trait of life - even if lack in confidence in preserving what one possesses.
Will to Life displays a lack of confidence in remaining alive.
So strength is a measure of weakness. Confidence a measure of certainty born of precedent, i.e., successfully gratifying needs/desires.

This obsession with the particular exposes an absence of options, which limits choice, i.e., freedom, liberty, independence.
Superior attract inferiority without even trying, without intending, without willing, and so it remains indifferent to it.
The inferior is attracted to the superior, and the higher it is the more rare it is, and so it becomes obsessed with what it cannot replace, cannot find an alternative to.
When an individual has no alternatives, has no other options, he becomes obsessed, entirely dependent on the particular.
Women sense this in males.
What is the Alpha? A male with multiple sexual option and so entirely indifferent to any particular one.
What is an Omega? A male with no sexual options and so entirely and completely dependent no a particular - becoming obsessed with it if and when it is made an option in any way.

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I would like to hear some of your insights about female feeling sympathy or antipathy. Have you covered exclusively this topic here? So not just casually, when dealing with another issues.

I would like to hear some insights on how female's sympathy/antipathy is directed in nature?

And by contrast, how it is directed in modern nihilism?
Attraction/Repulsion = interaction, and/or intercourse. Not perfect, absolute, complete, final, but fluctuating degrees.
Typically attraction exceeding that of repulsion is called harmony, or physical/mental attraction.
In my metaphysical positions I go into what attraction/repulsion is and how it works.
In brief interaction between patterns, or combinations of patterns, is both attractive/repulsive - this is determined by the degree of harmony between these patterns - only possible within order, since non-patterns will always be repulsive.
Harmony = sequence, resonance in congruence or incongruence with another. the specific pattern's tone, frequency, etc. will determine how harmonious it is with another pattern.
Biologically this manifests through the body/mind aura - a bio-magnetic field of effect created by the organism's cellular interactions, energies.
Similar to a planet's magnetic field.
Attraction/Repulsion occurs, primarily, on an subconscious level, before the mind is even aware of what is occurring. Pheromones, scents, are an additional factor extending this field of effect beyond the organism's aura; sound, developing into language, is a further extension.

In sexual dynamics adopting heterosexual reproductive strategy attraction/repulsion has to do with aesthetics and evaluation - judgement - of potentials, i.e., primarily physical and then mental symmetry/proportionality.
Symmetry indicates quality of order. Proportionality indicates fitness, or functionality, potentials within a fluctuating environment, i.e., existence.

Female sexuality is determined by her sexual role and the limits - costs and risks - this places upon her survival motive.
The burden is greatest after she is impregnated so her judgement occurs before, whereas after she becomes entirely committed in the outcome of her choice - invested.
She is choosy beforehand....and then entirely surrenders to the consequences of her preceding judgment, expressed via her choice. .
Female promiscuity has a temporal length determined by the period required to gestate a foetus and then raise an infant to an age when it can fend for itself - so about 7-8 years.
Females are "sperm samplers", to put it crudely; they do not want to put all of their ova in one basket and must diversify their investments in time and energies - invest in only one male, one genealogy, at a time is not in her interests, given the factor of fluctuating environments.
This makes paternalism antithetical to their innate - naturally evolved - impulses.
Paternalism also imposes a limit on female sexual options - a restriction of their sexual power, their free-will - due to cultural (meme) rules concerning monogamy, adultery and abortion.
Feminism has made abortion a right and so pregnancy has become a negligible risk - a minor inconvenience - and it is also contributing in making monogamy a negligible inconvenience - modern technologies, e.g., contraceptives, have added to feminine sexual power by eliminating natural restrictions on her mating strategies.
We have to keep all this in mind if we analyze male/female dynamics, in a gene/meme context, i.e., nature/nurture as it manifests in modern times.  

Second thing to keep in mind is that masculine/feminine are not absolute categories - as there is no absolute - so we are talking about degrees of masculinity/femininity, which is also fluctuating within a dynamic existence.
Hormonal balances, during gestation and after birth, including the individual's entire lifespan, determine the degree of an individual's masculinity/femininity; determining his/her reproductive success within a natural or a manmade/artificial - socioeconomic, ideological - environment.
All human systems impose manmade conditions upon individuals participating within them.
Nihilistic ideologies/dogmas imposing the most severe, up to the level of antithetical to pre-existing natural conditions and conditioning.
Monogamy, for example, is a manmade "technology" restricting male and female sexual options - free-will.

We'll set aside genetic mutations that emerge due to environmental and genetic factors, or simply due to mathematical probabilities where uncontrolled and sheltered reproduction makes it inevitable that mutations will arise and propagate with few risks and costs.  

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Since females are easily manipulated, their feelings of sympathy/antipathy can be manipulated too, right?
Now the dynamic of gene/meme - nature/nurture - factors in to determine how the individual can be manipulated - trained from birth - to experience mind/body dissonance, or a psychosomatic fragmentation where the body - evolved to judge and choose using one set of criteria (genetic) - can be contradicted by its own mind - taught/educated, indoctrinated, socialized to use a different set of criteria (memetic: ideological, ethical etc.).
In nihilism psychosomatic dissonance is most pronounced and so it is made more obvious.

Because females are inclined to submit to masculine authority - more feminine females being more willing to submit - those who control this masculine authority gain control over female judgements, and the criteria women use to make choices.
In nihilism this is problematic as it is antagonistic to genetic impulses often indoctrinating minds into ideologies/dogmas that use standards completely in opposition to their naturally evolved impulses.        
A woman, for example, born and raised in a modern/postmodern system - using nihilism to exploit and manipulate populations under its control - may experience confusion when her mind - dominated by a nihilistic ideology - tells her to contradict what her intuitions, her impulses, are urging her to do.     
Here the level of intelligence will multiply the level of indoctrination. So, if indoctrination has not sufficiently affected her mind a low IQ female will revert to her genetic impulses.
A high IQ female may be more resistant to indoctrination, or may be more pragmatic and be more willing to adopt prevailing ideological ideals to gain social status.....or may refuse to participate altogether.
It depends on the female's IQ and how well she's been socialized, indoctrinated. The level of the individual's femininity/masculinity - hormonally determined - will also factor into how indoctrinated/socialized she becomes and what form her sexual impulses will take - if their are fit or unfit, since sex is only about reproduction and acquires additional functions only among large brained social species, such as man, chimpanzees, dolphins etc.
As a general rule - taking mediocrity as the standard - a female can be ideologically indoctrinated, i.e., trained, assimilated, to become a memetic filtering agency, in addition or in opposition to her natural role as a genetic filtering agency.
Females - human females - are manifestations of natural selection - nature's "selection agency" - evolving from trial & error methods toward more sophisticated - efficient, effective - methods of adaptation. Natural selection is about adapting organism's to fluctuating environmental circumstances.
This is why females are often used as representations of nature.

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But, important question: can they be manipulated totally or even nearly totally? Can they be "truly" manipulated, or do women have some basic principles "programmed" to their base, instincts, ID?
I touched upon this in the previous answer.
A complex issue because it depends, as I said, on multiple factors: individual female's hormonal balances determining the degree of her femininity/masculinity; her IQ; her nurturing, determining the degree of indoctrination/socialization she was  exposed due, primarily during the early years of her development; the degree of ideological nihilism of the socioeconomic environment she was raised in and is living in....
As a rule females easily adapt because this is part of their reproductive role, that must adapt to all shifts in power balances.
Women will always support peace and stability because this is, also, part of her reproductive role, requiring stability to carry out her reproductive role and to expand her sexual options, i.e., increase her sexual power.  

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I have heard lately about few cases, that women have not pressed charges when they are being sexually "harrassed" by certain type of (genetically quality) men. So "harrasment" is not "harrasment" when done by male, that a woman actually feels sympathy towards. Would this be rooted in antipathy/sympathy mechanism?
Yes....if she is attracted to a male his attentions are never "creepy" nor "harassing".

This is how females have shot their own feet...They support a system with standards that makes masculinity "toxic" inhibiting the unwanted attentions form ALL males, not only those they find repulsive.
I recently heard of a study that claims that women find 80% of males unattractive. This fits into hypergamy and what I know of feminine sexual "pickiness".
A female wants to invest her time only in what she judges as being deserving of the costs and risks entailed in her sexual role.
This is why they despise paternalism.

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So women still want to see genetically qualified males thrive; they just can't do much about it... openly or publically, because that's a social suicide (the system being the big alpha). So would it be fair to say in favor to women, that they still hope to get fertilized by alpha, and they want to help the alpha's, but they just can't because of the current state of affairs?
Very few of them are even aware of it, but yes.
Women can't function on a rational, conscious level, they thrive when it is all instinctive, mysterious, obscure...."magical".
All they know is that they are attracted to a specific kind of male - which we know to be alpha - but they are told they must want another kind of male, for their own good - which is what we know to be a beta.
In Americanism this "beta" is entirely emasculated, feminized, forcing females to become lesbians, in a sense - choose a woman-like male they find repulsive, or are sexually indifferent towards, due to socioeconomic factors that promise a increase in their social status, which will increase their sexual power, or the options made accessible to them.
Ironic, that only when they rise in social status can they return to their natural impulses - also true for males.  
So older females, like older males, can indulge in their primal sexual impulses only if they attain the status and wealth to do so with impunity.
In postmodernism this is not so for males, but only for females - feminization reaching its apex.

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I have noticed sometimes, how females tolerate even brutal verbal insults, if done by a certain kind of male. The alpha male could for instance tell some of his many dates, directly that: "You are nothing more to me than a hole, I may use once or twice... Other than that you have no value for me" and the woman doesn't care. She feels sympathy (very strong sympathy, I might add) towards him in some natural basis, it would seem to me. Even when this kind of male would try his very best to get rid of this woman, this woman simply feels more attraction to this, alpha male.
A female wants to be a males means to his ends, if she's dominated by him - feels a little intimidated by him on a visceral level.
In her mind she plans to "change him" and make him her own - essentially turning him into someone she looses interest in, if she succeeds.
This is what feminism did: it made males into a social ideal - nihilistic ideal - she is no longer attracted to.
Unable to understand why she accuses males for failing to "live up to her expectations".

This is the same problem as that of believing that race is a social construct.
Females indoctrinated into nihilistic systems promote a type of male she then finds repulsive, or sexually indifferent towards. Unable to understand the causes she cannot question the very convictions that produced this "male" and so she must accuse some occult factor or males themselves for failing to live up to the ideal they cannot doubt.

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You said in one topic that women want to feel a little bit threatened; so that they can "ride the stallion". But I take there is a limit on how outrageously rude a male can be. So it is possible that some ammount of mistreatment is "too much" for any woman? You mean here that a male needs to be threatening, but "just the right ammount"? There is a "sweetspot"?
Yes...and this "sweetspot" is determined by the individual female and the time.....see how all is fluctuating and dynamic and requires real-time analysis.
Her menstrual cycle is a factor.

as with weakness. A woman demands, expects, a male who is "sensitive" and has the "courage" to become "vulnerable" before her.
But if this vulnerability, this weakness, is deemed to be more than her assessment of her own....she mysteriously loses sexual interest. Again, there's a balance here to be evaluated in real time.
So, yes the male must intimidate her physically, but primarily mentally, intellectually, spiritually, if we include mind/body in the concept of "spirit".
But not to a degree that will trigger the levels of anxiety called "fear".
Just enough.
This is what charisma is: the ability to read a woman in real time and adjust to her fluctuating needs/desires.
Indifference towards the outcome makes this performance efficient - effective - graceful, smooth.....unnoticed by her. She wants to be swept by the magical effect of this performance.

Paternalism does away with all that pretentiousness, because this performance is all for her sake - to seduce her, to make her willing and conceding to what will follow: aggressive intrusions.

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Also, if I remember right, you said that women feel antipathy only in rare cases. Why is that?    
Empathy = objectivity, indifferent.
Simpler minds - including the majority of females - define empathy as sympathy, i.e., subjective projection.
For such minds you can only know another if you sympathize with his plight and project yourself in his place, without detaching yourself from the emotions.
Rationality is masculine - thinking outside the box, indifferently, objectively.
Feminine is trapped in subjectivity so she can only understand another by projecting herself and feeling, intuiting, how she would feel in his/her place.
This is part of her reproductive role and her need to maintain stable peaceful social environments.  
When she asks a male to be "vulnerable with her" she is asking for insight into his feelings to sympathize with, not knowing that this may cause her to lose sexual interest in the male - or perhaps, intuitively seeking to find a flaw in the male.
So, she doesn't go from sympathy to antipathy but from sympathy to indifference - she gains objectivity when a male dares to expose his "true self" to her. She realized - instinctively - that the male is not herself in a male's body as she did when she projected in an attempt to understand him.
Her sympathetic projections were corrected to the negative, whereas intimidation is a mysteriousness - anxiety caused by the incomprehensible.
She does not antipathize because her projections convert from erotic to agape....she feels fondness towards the male who is exposed as being weaker than herself, beneath her. He is a lower version of herself.
A female is seduced when her sympathetic projections are corrected to the positive - the male is more than herself.

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By the way, would you say that there is some differentiation going on among humans? Like, clearly there are very "social" types of humans, and clearly very "antisocial" types. There are also very extreme cases of both. But antisociality, in a "healthy" sense, appears to me as an appreciation of quality, where as sociality appears to me as an appreciation of quantity.
Yes...for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction.
As nihilism tries to create uniformity it produces a resistance that fragments people ideologically - gathering them into more distinct ideological, spiritual, groups; accentuating the differences they are trying to eliminate inot sameness.

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So it's like there are humans of "solitary type" and humans of "social type" and they have many times very different strategies. Could we even speak about "racial difference" here?
We can find extroverts and introverts in all races....and species....but higher probabilities for introversion will be found among higher intellects. So, races with a higher mean average intelligence will have more introverts.

The fragmentation you speak of has to do with genes/memes, because memes are extensions of memes. Ideological fragmentations, spiritual fragmentations, differentiating world-views will fall into racial categories of probability - and gender categories as males are more often introverted than females are.
Female reproductive roles make extroversion part of her role.

The difference will be between herd psychology and pack psychology.  
Quantity versus quality.
Females, typically, prefer large stable peaceful herds to feel safe within - within herds her social intuitions can expand their range of effect.

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*Intercourse is an act of aggression necessitating a foreign body to penetrate - intrude - another.
What follows is also an act of biological transgression as the spermatozoa are alien bodies, perceive by the female's autoimmune system as a foreign intruder, a virus or parasite.
this necessitates the evolution of particular methods to intoxicate the one being penetrated and to fool her autoimmune system which are not affected by ideological, emotional or chemical intoxicants.
This is what eros does, it intoxicates. For the female this is a necessary precursor to being penetrated, to allowing herself to be intruded upon - so trust and wooing is part of the process.
Erotic intoxication is what sublimates the pre-existing fight/flight mechanism; numbing or redirecting them.

*Rape is traumatic to females for two reasons:
1- It rejects and circumvents the process of preparing the female - putting her in the right state of mind - to accept being penetrated.
2- It negates her natural sexual power over her own ova, or who penetrates her at what time, which undermines her ability to choose/control which sperm is given a higher probability of fertilizing her, and which is given sex to ensure his support in inter-group social dynamics.

*A female's natural filtering agency - representing the brutality, cruelty of natural selection - can become misogyny.
Males that experience nature's rejection via a female's conscious and unconscious judgment, will turn their resentment upon her, because she is the manifestation of nature's indifference and "injustices" - given modern and postmodern ethical criteria.
Furthermore, being a manifestation of nature - a unconscious agency of nature - also expresses nature's order and chaos. Through a female's subconscious and conscious impulses man experiences order and chaos through a biological agency - a will. A female's erratic, often incomprehensible to males, behaviour is not only a product of nature's fickle selection but also of nature's chaotic aspects affecting order.
This is what we call "feminine mystique" and makes many men believe that women are incomprehensibly "complex". Truth is women find themselves incomprehensible because of the chaotic aspect of their nature but primarily because she cannot be aware of the motives governing her own impulses.
All this is further convoluted when culture adds another layer on human behaviour - genes overwhelmed by memes. At this point cultural, social, moral, criteria overlap or contradict - in the case of nihilistic memes - human natural impulses. Individuals feel alienated form their own drives, feeling as if another agency - will, consciousness - is in control of them.

*Emasculated males are particularly resentful towards females and their representation of natural order.
Self-hatred is projected as a hatred of what reminds them of how unjust natural selection can be.

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Again, from my anonymous reader...

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I think you said very well somewhere, that a slut becomes more popular than a virgin.

I've seen this. Many men go for women, who are very well-known sluts. The mentality is like "Oh, everyone else has fucked that slut? Then I shall too!" In my opinion, men want to feel equal to each other when doing this. Equal, not superior.

But for me, the problem with "mating with any woman" is the pride. I have witnessed a lot of this: a guy declares publically that he is dating some girl. Somebody says to him: "Hey what the fuck man, I've fucked that slut too!"
A slut is a way to expunge sexual energies and a source of hope, but also undesirable for any self-respecting male because he can never be certain the offspring she produces will be his own.
This is why women pretend to be chaste, and not as promiscuous, and pure and moral.
A signal to a male that she will remain true to him and will only bear his offspring.

Modern technologies diminish the risks and the costs innate to female sexual roles - the limits to her power.
Institutions protect her from males, give her more control over her fertility and protect her from her own erroneous judgments.
as a consequence females can be more masculine, or promiscuous...the myth of the strong independent woman is born out of this institutional support.
Remember, masculinity has been abstracted and all tangible, physical displays, that do not adhere to social standards, are deemed "toxic, meaning that the institution is the only masculine entity, and it has become entirely ideological, intangible, theoretical.
All biological males are forced to become beta-males, hoping to attain the status of representing an institution, or surrogate females, adopting feminine sexual practices concerning seduction, attraction.

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I couldn't personally bear that; especially if the male who has "fucked her" is weaker than I, with my standards. Woman's pride (her being coy and sexually decent in the past) is a reflection of man's pride too, in a sense. If I'm to marry a slut, I would be "the man who married a slut" - a lesser man, in the eyes of another males who I try to prove my worth.

I want to achieve something other males didn't. This includes, I want to conquer the woman other males didn't. Or at least the complete idiots, weaklings, niggers... didn't conquer her in the past.
You want a woman worthy of your masculinity, and she is looking for a male worthy of her femininity.
But, do such females exist any more?
There's a conflict here.
Will her demand be more important than yours?
Yes...in this feminized world, it is. If you do not fit into her conception of what she deserves, then you have no chance.
Self-awarness is crucial, as I've noted. Hers, most of all.
If she has placed herself on a pedestal, like women are these days, then what man can ever meet her standards?
Only a theoretical, abstract, imaginary man, someone she saw in a movie theater or on TV...not a real, tangible, one.

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Now, of course I could compete in mere numbers. I could compete in fucking as many sluts as possible. The more, the more valued man I would be.
This will, at least, signal your desirability your quantity and quality of options, your indifference to her specificity.
This will make you more attractive.

Pussy smells pussy on a cock.....pussy wants that cock, not the cock that has never been bathed in pussy juices.

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So, seeing women "mating down" makes me resentful towards them, I must admit. Though I'm very happy when I see women "mating up" in general. So when I see a woman being with a man of quality (even when this man is not me), I'm very happy for the male and for the female. That's like a gleam of hope in these Dark Ages.
Aristocratic ethos, existing in a degenerate time.
A problem.

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So basically I would like to know, is rationalising this way somewhat emasculate? Because I know, it might be. Though like you have said somewhere, emasculation is not necessarily a bad thing. Also, is this way of thinking a little bit denying the harsh truth, refusing to play the game and refusing to parttake, according the current state of affairs?
a man who hunts must know the prey and the environment the hunt will take place in.
you had the misfortune of being born in an age of degeneracy - when an Empire is in decline and another is ascending. A period of turmoil and hedonism, degeneracy.
All empires experience these periods when they are ending.

What is a man to do?
I use a allegory to hint at it.
If a man wants to fish in a lake - a lake present to him and not an ideal, fantasy lake populated by fantasy fish - he needs the proper lure, bait...etc....or a boat to get to the deeper parts where fewer can fish.
Will he build an ideal boat, from the perfect wood or will he forage from the wood available to him in the environment he finds himself in?
If he is a romantic, and wants to catch the perfect fish, on a perfect boat, in the deepest part of the lake where few can reach the depths where the rare fish swim, then he must risk remaining hungry, or dying of hunger.

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*Women are easily integrated - indoctrinated - into systemic norms.
They have to be. It's part of their reproductive role.

*Women assimilate easily and then become passionate defenders of the status quo, when and if it is stable and provides security for them to carry out their role - because women are vulnerable during gestation and the weening process; hyper-dependent on the group.
So, they must know the dynamics of the inter-gropu, and this is why they evolved precise but vague intuitions into human nature.
They cannot be clear if they want to remain broad and all-encomassing. They intuit, they sense, they feel, and know not why or how. they don't have to know.
All they must do is trust in their gut feelings.

*A woman's only natural source of power is their control over the ovum, and who gets to fertilize it.
It's not a precise art, but an approximation that increases probabilities - no absolutes, remember?
By evolving an inconspicuous cycle, and knowing her own, she can determine which male has the highest probability of passing no his genes.
This is crucial because she can use her sexuality to manipulate males.
Unlike chimpanzees who cannot conceal their menstrual cycles, or when they are most fertile, or in heat.
If we add to this human uniqueness the factors of clothing and contraceptives, i.e., modern technologies invented by males, then we realize how powerful human females are and why paternalism had to impose restriction, limits, on this power.
A power that if left unhindered brings down civilizations.

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*All categories are not absolutes but refer to a range of effect, with the edges overlapping.

*The fluidity he speaks of is this flexibility to a undetermined future - chaos being the factor it remains open to.
This is why many of them worship chaos, named nothingness, indicating an absence of pattern, order.
An adaptation to the unpredictability of chaos, worshipped as more powerful than order because it requires no effort but is produced by order interacting.
They worship a condition that makes life impossible, because life needs to be adaptive - flexible - but is also ordering, is order and cannot be without order.

*We see here the conflict between mind/body.
Body is predictable, ordered, addicted to order - beauty is order - symmetry/proportionality.
Chaos is ugly....and so we see in postmodernism ugliness everywhere propagated as a rebellion against beauty's "conformity".
Brain evolved to deal with chaos, and how it interacted with order, necessitating real time adaptability - flexibility.


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We males know what orgasm is...
A release of accumulated energies and the sensation of this sudden release.
As I said, just for background:
Need = lack, experience of attrition, i.e., interaction, existence.
Desire = excess, accumulated due to successful, consistent, satisfaction of needs.

But orgasm has multiple functions in females, as one would expect. everything is more complicated for females due to her reproductive role and what is necessary to make it possible.
I gave my own opinion on female orgasm.
It is to increase the probability of being fertilized by a male the female approves of, or considers fit and ideal, in a group where she uses sex to establish and maintain alliances.
Her menstrual cycle doesn't only flush out unfertilized ovum, or a foetus her body has rejected, judging it to be unworthy of her efforts, but it is also meant to flush out all the accumulated sperm.
Her sexuality necessitates using sex as a way to climb up the social hierarchy.
Human females also benefit from having inconspicuous cycles, except for the final purging. This allows her to choose who will have the best chance of fertilizing her.
The orgasm adds another layer of probability, her body showing its approval of her mind's choice.
Remember the mind can lie, the body cannot.
For a male a female orgasming is the highest form of approval of his manhood.
Women have been known to orgasm even when they have been forced to copulate, which indicated the body's approval and the mind's disapproval.

But I wont go into that highly controversial subject.


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*Message: Don't look for patterns. Don't notice patterns.
Focus on the exceptions.
Reduce your awareness and understanding. Be susceptible to magical thinking.
Worship chaos, the nil. It has no pattern.
Infinite chaos? Theoretically it describes a state of infinite possibilities.....no probabilities. No probabilities, no life. No order.

*Anxiety of being known, of someone knowing you more than you can know yourself. This is the source of anxiety I speak of when i said self-awarness exposes a mind to another source of suffering. This is what nihilism attempts to deal with.
The idea is that all individuals are incomprehensible - so unique that they cannot be categorized.
If this were true then marketing shouldn't work. Politics shouldn't be effective. Psychology is debunked.
Unlike any other organism on this planet humans - because they can speak and use language to lie - have no nature, cannot be categorized or defined by broad behaviours.
This makes them feel exposed - vulnerable, insecure.

*See why nihilism developed to deal with this?
It negates language so as to make everything meaningless - incomprehensible.
All is an agreement, some of these retards say.  All is a social construct.
Let's agree to disagree and come to mutually beneficial compromises.
Let us get together and manufacture, fabricate a reality where all of us are happy.
Let's synthesize a world we can all enjoy.
This is how naïve these freaks are. Anyone who exposes their naiveté is a "hater". A Nazi.


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