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PostSubject: Re: Power Power - Page 3 EmptyThu Aug 26, 2021 8:22 am

Need expresses dependence and weakness, a lack.

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PostSubject: Re: Power Power - Page 3 EmptyThu Aug 26, 2021 9:42 am

Satyr wrote:
Need expresses dependence and weakness, a lack.  

Yes, minds are weak and needy not due to the body, due to their need to perceive, experience.

Ah hah, that may explain the need for the body and its perceptive abilities, a conduit.
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PostSubject: Re: Power Power - Page 3 EmptyThu Aug 26, 2021 9:50 am

WendyDarling wrote:
Satyr wrote:
Need expresses dependence and weakness, a lack.  

Yes, minds are weak and needy not due to the body, due to their need to perceive, experience.
And because need/suffering is how existence is experienced.
Physical needs are due to constant temporal attrition - interactivity.
The mind desires, because it is dependent on the body and is supported with its excess energies.

[see how I define need and desire]
Another difference is the skeleton.
The body envelops it, and is supported by it; the brain is enveloped by it, distancing it from the world which it engages sensually

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Mind/Body dissonance is based on these differences.

Body - exposed (endoskeleton), lack, four code, inherited memories (genetic), dependent on other, limited by space/time.  
Mind = enclosed (exoskeleton), excess, binary code, experienced memories (memetic), dependent on self, not limited by space/time.

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Body = past made present - manifestation of past.
Mind = manifestation of brain.

When brain is liberated from serving the body's needs it turns against it, trying to escape it.
The irony here is that the brain is the most energy costly organ, draining the body's energies necessitating their replenishment.
Leisure frees the brain from this cycle because leisure is a product of excess energies, or ease in replenishing energies.

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PostSubject: Re: Power Power - Page 3 EmptyThu Aug 26, 2021 6:54 pm

Satyr wrote:
Body = past made present - manifestation of past.
Mind = manifestation of brain.

When brain is liberated from serving the body's needs it turns against it, trying to escape it.
The irony here is that the brain is the most energy costly organ, draining the body's energies necessitating their replenishment.
Leisure frees the brain from this cycle because leisure is a product of excess energies, or ease in replenishing energies.  

Leisure =passive thought rather than active thought or unfocused rather than focused
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PostSubject: Re: Power Power - Page 3 EmptySun Aug 29, 2021 11:26 pm



Need/lacking acts as a relentless exigency upon the individual, stimulating survival mechanisms and drives.
My metaphor: Existence can be thought of as an immense weight which presses down on the individual, which one of three outcomes will result; one succumbs to the weight and perishes, they find a way to keep it consistently balanced, or they summon a great strength casting it off, and perishes. Weakness, strength, or an ascetic congruence of both, which would be the ideal state. Keeping oneself as oriented as possible as to not fall into one destructive extreme or the other, because the weight must be endured, lest one perish. Because the pressure of the weight cannot be escaped, one must find a way to use the weight to enhance their own existence. Thus, enduring the suffering of the weight, will allow it to accumulate its energies in you, which becomes the creative drive. Only suffering produces true spiritual alacrity, because only the awareness of mortality, of death, of danger can create an impetus of power, the drive to overcome i.e., the dancing star.



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A further addendum on suffering. Because it is the rule of existence, pleasure is the exception. But because the exception is the unattainable ideal, it can only ever act as an impetus for striving, for inspiration, for creativity, thus no actual pleasure or happiness is possible, otherwise the desire for it wouldn't be so persistent.

So it is actually suffering man seeks out, because the value of his own existence must be tested against what challenges it, not what comforts it, what stimulates it to react and respond, not what makes it stagnate and languish. Testing oneself, exposing oneself to pain, accepting/enduring nature's indifference, is the only way to know oneself, how much stress one can withstand and recover from. This is what war is about. Conflict determines outcomes of quality and power. So subjecting oneself to suffering, means to self-determine ones quality in the face of indifferent existence. Suffering can be overcome because it never leaves us. Overcoming suffering means being tempered like iron in the forge; the more stress one endures, the more it assimilates it into themselves, harnessing it, converting it to a more resilient, more resistant and thus greater condition of power.

However, this form of advantageous usable energy can only be positively converted if the individual is aware of it. Otherwise it proves to be nothing but weakening debilitation. One cannot convert suffering into power, strength, meaning, without the awareness to do so. This is why most suffer without ever knowing or understanding why, and so they redirect to others, that someone or something else must be responsible for it, or that they must get their source of meaning or power from another to compensate for not giving it to themselves.
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It has to do with the goal of self-mastery. Self-actualization has a greater chance of power and success if it is presented with the opportunity to devote its efforts to that end, it’s that simple. Time and opportunity, create greater and more favorable possibilities of self-cultivation. Leisure should be understood in relation to this, how it is useful.
Philosophy is about reconciling paradoxes because there can never be any perfect moral life or existence, and this is how philosophy becomes objective by pursuing only the truth, and disregarding pretenses which get in the way of it. Pretense or appearance are only obstacles to be overcome to get to the truth and then use the knowledge of whatever truth to build upon it if it can; sifting through mud to find gems.

Monet, for example, was presented with the opportunity, based on his wealth and resources, to construct his own private garden for the purposes of devoting himself entirely to the undisturbed pursuit of using it to advance his artistic and creative goals.
Thus, it depends on the quality of the one in possession of such extravagant luxuries, or time, who then use it to pursue meaningful ends. The art of philosophy has one goal: to get at the truth, and the truth comes in many forms, and it must judge as accurately as possible which forms are better than others, which pretenses are more tolerable than others, which paradoxes glean more knowledge than others, based on the power of the truth at stake.


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PostSubject: Re: Power Power - Page 3 EmptySat Sep 18, 2021 2:26 pm

We have to separate the source of the information form the information itself, because the standard is not the source but the world.
This is the error imbeciles make, because their own convictions are founded on their personal circumstances - they cannot be objective, and because they cannot be objective objectivity is a lie, or impossible, and all are equally guilty of self-sewrving subjectivity.
They cannot think objectively, projecting themselves into another position, because they cannot truly empathize - but can only sympathise or antipathize - therefore the simpleton can only perceive another as himself in different circumstances, therefore he cannot ever know another if he isn't like himself, or if he doesn't reduce him to what he knows and understands of himself.
If he likes the other it is an indication that the other is identifies as being like himself; if he hates the other than the other is identified as a negative version of himself.
Like/Dislike is a projection of his evaluation of his own "positive" qualities or "negative" qualities.
So, when a simpletons likes you it is because he thinks of you as himself, seeing in you his own good qualities, and if he despises you then he is associating you with all the bad qualities he perceives in himself - projection.
such dullards can never know another, because they do not truly know themselves. Their projections are founded on self-flattery, self-agradizement, or self-deception, and since they do now truly know themselves they can never know anyone else. They are immersed in narcissism - attacking themselves or comforting themselves.
The other becomes a caricature of their best and worse qualities, as they've perceive and evaluated them.
This is why I've said that for simpletons - the mediocre masses who confuse empathy with sympathy or antipathy - all you have to do to know them is listen to what they tell you about what they think about you.
No mind-reading is necessary, simply understanding that when dealing with imbeciles their accusations are really expositions of their secret fears and doubts and insecurities. Listen to them talking about you, even if insulting, and know that they are talking about themselves - exposing hat they truly think of themselves with a passion which is quite personal.

That aside...the irony is that introspection requires leisure and leisure requires wealth - or low maintenance - so only the well off can become philosophers who become aware of what wealth truly is, just like a well-fed man can contemplate what food truly is, and a sexually satisfied man can consider what sex truly is.
Neediness corrupts judgement.

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PostSubject: Re: Power Power - Page 3 EmptySat Sep 18, 2021 4:32 pm

Seeds of memetic power must never forget their genetic roots and soil despite how far above from them they might grow and become for without the latter they have nothing to return to when they eventually fall.

There has been a historical trend of "philosophers" becoming more and more childless, refusing to pay homage to truth and nature in the only way that has been truly timeless... This is perhaps the most accurate criticism of both Seneca and Marcus Aurelius, the former who probably had his only son die and did not have another, and the latter who raised a degenerate megalomaniac.

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A telltale sign of those without power, without identity, is how easily charmed, excited they are by the attentions of others.
One who possess their own values and principles, their own power, would be disgusted or put off by such things as flattery or praise.
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