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-Ideas/Ideals are like spermatozoa, carrying specific "memories" from mind to mind.
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The more seductive version is then popularized - survival of the fittest in ideological contexts - offering the others an advantage, which is this context would be psychological. This version would then spread and usurp the other personal version to become a dogma/ideology.
Christianity had no intent. It spontaneously emerged when two incompatible world views - one feminine the other masculine - came in contact. The external world is the primary factor, determining which version will offer the most advantages.
In an urbanized environment with increasing population pressures the feminine socioeconomic would prevail over time, though it would be disadvantageous outside these manmade and maintained environment.
This spontaneous emerges can then be used by others to exploit and manipulable those who have been infected - seduced - by its principles, its ideas/ideals - delivered linguistically - semiotically.
In a species confronted by the awareness of his mortality, of the brutality and "injustices" of natural selection, popularity would be a product of the amount of anxiety, emotion, dominating an individual.
So, the feminine would be easily seduced by such comforting, absolutist, binary ideologies. The feminine and the mind immersed in tis subjective needs/desires, and the emotions that have evolved to cope with this anxiety/fear.
Flight/Fight expressed emotionally, as an intoxication that helps the organism endure and react to stressful circumstances.
Another factor to consider is the degree that unregulated procreation has propagated unfit mutations within a population, increasing the odds that individuals would be dominated by a conscious or intuitive sense that they they cannot endure the brutality of nature outside group dynamics, necessitating a degree of self-sacrifice in the form of self-repression, self-deciet, tolerance, submission, facilitating integration, cooperation and codependence.
Dogmas and ideologies that nullified the real world - nihilistic - that worship the ideological world of man would increasingly become popular - ideal, Utopian, occult, mystical alternatives, founded on language detaching from reality, would be come viral.
Need/Suffering - subjectivity - would overwhelm the desire to find truth - objectivity. The masses would find in certain motherly dogmas a womb to climb back into, hoping to escape a brutal, indifferent, world they did not choose to experience. As such feminine dogmas become popular in a world contained, encompassed, by an insurmountable boundary - giving the impression of a finite womb-like existence - within which masculine traits become increasingly disruptive of a desired all-incusive, group cohesion.
When danger is reduced and the unknown is made knowable - even if hypocritically - the necessity for a masculine spirit diminishes.
We see this desire to make it all knowable, or already known, or predictable, rational, ordered as a very popular desire - a desire to be seduced by a mysterious masculine power that will empower us, protect us, provide for us, or, at the very least, remain benevolent and tolerate us, by incorporating us into its dominion; a desire to remain a child until death and beyond it; a desire to be seduced, to become a woman, if need be, to sacrifice integrity, honesty, anything just to survive and not experience existence as need/suffering.
Feminization of Man.

-Dogmas/Ideologies do not require the conscious participation of the mind they've fertilized - taken over, shifting how it interprets the world it occupies - just as genes do not require the conscious awareness of the organism through which they are expressed - Dawkins calls this the "selfish gene", implying that genes must survive at the expense of the individual, and this is also true for memes, especially nihilistic memes like Abrahamism and Marxism and Postmodernism - here nihilistic memes contradict the genes by ideologically/dogmatically detaching the brain/mind from the body, turning it against the body, i.e., the physical, tangible...
Such an infected mind has no clue what it is doing and why it is driven to think and do what it thinks and does - it is "possessed", i.e., zombified, by a meme (ideal/idea, concept) with its own reproductive agenda.
Such a meme would have its own propagation and growth ingrained in its dogma. The dogma is part of the method of spreading and reproducing it - see Messianism - at the expense of the organism and the world itself.
The meme is parasitical, killing the organism and tis genetic memories, in order to propagate tis own memories, via symbols/words, i.e., language, semiotics...
Awareness of this would inhibit this agenda so, in fact, the organisms' ignorance is part of the necessary detachments of the organism form its environment - see Postmodernism as the epitome of this zombification. Abrahamism was a less effective variant of this mental virus; Marxism was better, more abstract and therefore more viral, crossing ethnic and religious boundaries; postmodernism is an upgrade, since it is entirely abstract, and emotional, negating everything and anything tangible, so as to attain pure idea/ideal, in the form of pure nil.
The nil has always been the underlying - foundation - of all these variations, from Abrahamism through Marxism - mathematics being its ideal linguistic form - binaries 1/0. Underlying the ideal of the one - one god, one humanity, positive absolute, singularity etc. - lies the perfect ideal of the absolute nil, which is superior because it requires no validation but is only about negation.
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The absence of an absolute - indivisible, immutable "thing" - makes the absolute nil invincible, as it is affirmed by a negative. Everything is imperfect, incomplete, divisible, mutable, ergo in the void of a missing absolute positivity the absolute negativity is validated - binary thinking - if not thing then nothing.
This is the foundation of postmodernism - the absolute nothing. No meaning, no purpose, no morality, all is a compensating reaction to this absence....necessitating a collective compromise, a collective delusion, a collective construct helping the collective cope with this void.
A mirroring of Abrahamism's collective sinfulness. All are equally imperfect, weak, feeble, ignorant, in relation to a absent absolute, and since the absolute is a mental fabrication all is a mental fabrication, and there's no way to determine what is superior from what is inferior - uniformity via the nil; uniformity in the nothingness.
The Jews declared themselves emissaries of the nil, worshipping themselves as this absent idea/ideal of the absolute; rejecting Christianity's universality and its worship of the positive absolute via their Messiah Jesus. Their Messiah will come as the absolute nil - Armageddon - which will return all back to the nothingness of cosmic Flux.
Here the symbolism is of near-absoltue somethingness - Big Bang - progressing towards near-absolute nothingness, only in their convictions there is only absolute nothingness - their Yahweh. Those who rejected the divinity of nothingness will suffer the consequences for their insolence. The myth of being "chosen" is about this acceptance of nothingness when all other tribes had rejected it as divine.
In Nihilism all is inverted, so the "children of darkness" become "children of light; and the "children of light" Hellenic, becomes representatives of darkness. This is why postmodernism faces forwards - is progressive - and denies, rejects, the past - the near absolute somethingness of the creative force emanating existence. the Big Bang is not a event, it is a process. The worshippers of the nil despise nature (flux, interactivity experienced as need/suffering, as agon, as struggle, as war), they hate existence, and want to return to the void - end of need/suffering, peace.

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Spengler called this world-view Magian, contrasting it with the European world view he identified as Faustian.
I refer to it as Abrahamic or Afro-Asiatic.
Each culture - meme - has its own ideals, its own linguistic use, its own world-view, determining what kind of minds - characters - each cultivates.
Nurturing what nature produces.
If nature determined potentials - probabilities - then nurture selectively cultivates certain physical and psychological (mental) potentials - increasing their probability, in accordance with an objective - an ideal man, represented by an icon/idol.
Mythologies are the narratives that transmit these ideals, establishing them as a collective standard.

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The child turns to his parents as though they were gods. When they disappoint it with their mortal fallibilities he turns to the heavens to find perfection. Some, disillusioned and no longer able to presume what is contrary to what is perceived, turn back to the parent.
If the parent is not present – deceased or otherwise absent – the child idolizes them, from the safe forgiving and distorting temporal distances, recalling them cleansed and atoned, exaggerated by child fantasy, as if they were god-like, admitting the possibility of some minor vices to pretend objectivity.
The divine – whether corporeal or incorporeal – is always benevolent in intent, and is only corrupted by some evil otherness which becomes to the child that which is not its parent.

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Spengler called this world-view Magian, contrasting it with the European world view he identified as Faustian. I refer to it as Abrahamic or Afro-Asiatic.

Is the European world view originally Faustian or Apollonian? Because if what exists today is Faustian, then perhaps the Faustian attitude has an intimate connection to the Magian age.

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How so?

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I would say the Dorians are Apollonian and the Athenians were more Dionysian, and Faustian.
The Hellenes are on the border between east and west - they have a myth about the Diogenes, the man of two genealogies, ΔΥΟ (two) ΓΕΝΟΣ, genealogies, bloodlines.
To this day the Greeks are a mix of Europe and Asia, with the European being dominant.

Faustian = space - possibilities. Horizons to be explored.
Restless soul.
Promethean - making a deal with Satan (Prometheus) at a cost of his soul, innocence.
Masculine.


Magian = magical, seductive, feminine, linguistic.
Miserly spirit. Enclosed space/time - absolutes.
Vindictive. Obsessive. Opportunistic, Exploitive.
Language is a form of magic - feminine coercion, seduction, bribery.
Manipulative deception. Empty promises.
Words not actions.

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Satyr wrote:
How so?
Well the desire for moderns to expand and venture into the infinite seems like the material version of what Magians were attempting Spiritually. Don't both the Faustian and Magian think themselves above genes?


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I would say the Dorians are Apollonian and the Athenians were more Dionysian, and Faustian.
The Hellenes are on the border between east and west - they have a myth about the Diogenes, the man of two genealogies, ΔΥΟ (two) ΓΕΝΟΣ, genealogies, bloodlines.
To this day the Greeks are a mix of Europe and Asia, with the European being dominant.

Faustian = space - possibilities. Horizons to be explored.
Restless soul.
Promethean - making a deal with Satan (Prometheus) at a cost of his soul, innocence.
Masculine.


Magian = magical, seductive, feminine, linguistic.
Miserly spirit. Enclosed space/time - absolutes.
Vindictive. Obsessive. Opportunistic, Exploitive.
Language is a form of magic - feminine coercion, seduction, bribery.
Manipulative deception. Empty promises.
Words not actions.


What would the Romans be considered as? I know Greeks and Romans are often conflated due to the plagiarized gods, but they obviously differ in the cultural/civilizational dimension. I don't think it would be accurate to call them Faustian, despite having a propensity towards expansion.

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Maybe, what happened, was that the Faustian spirit got infused with Magian qualities.

Like, the objective is not to explore but the corrupted version would be that the objective is that everything has been explored, that everything is known.
Like, the objective is not to gain power but to be all powerful.

Instead of having a direction, a goal post was erected, an absolute was defined and all are focused on that specific ideal. Once that was done, it was defined and popularised what the absolute goal to reach would be, like no suffering, no hunger, no waste of resources (no excess),...

In a Faustian world I would expect to see men moving in different directions, to progress down different avenues but all this has been harnessed and is being directed towards typically Magian ends.

But,... either way, many people who think of themselves as Faustian, to me, look quite Magian in one way or another, maybe it is a form of corruption.
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Impulso Oscuro wrote:

Well the desire for moderns to expand and venture into the infinite seems like the material version of what Magians were attempting Spiritually. Don't both the Faustian and Magian think themselves above genes?
Transcending and negating are different.
Desiring to physically and mentally expand ones potentials, probabilities, is not the same as using magical language to mentally transcend what you cannot physically, so that you deny the relevance of the physical because it is easier to declare and fantasize and manipulate minds using words/symbols that need not correspond to tangible results.

For example: I can mentally travel to Spain, or Mars, or Andromeda, and convince others, using words, of how it is, but to actually travel there requires an acknowledgment and understanding of space/time and my physical presence within it.

Magical thinking can have ephemeral psychosomatic effects - placebo effect - and it is definitely seductive.

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What would the Romans be considered as? I know Greeks and Romans are often conflated due to the plagiarized gods, but they obviously differ in the cultural/civilizational dimension. I don't think it would be accurate to call them Faustian, despite having a propensity towards expansion.
The Romans were seduced by the Hellenes, who had integrated femininity into their distinctly masculine culture.
The Magian was integrated but it did not dominate.
The Greeks were so secure in their identity that they could sample ideas from around the Mediterranean basin without losing themselves - so they respected and adopted gods from multiple sources.
Greeks were more feminine than the Romans, and this is evident in how they defined the concept "truth" - see Heidegger.

Christianity infested Rome via the mitigating influence of Hellenism. The Bible was originally translated from Hebrew to Greek.
Afro-Asiatic Magian spirituality was transferred into the west via the Greeks.
Paul goes first to Corinth.
Similar to how a virus may go through a mitigating species before it can infect humans. The go-between evolves it to be more viral for particular genetic combinations.
The Greeks adapted Judaism to make it palatable to western Indo-European pagans.

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Maybe, what happened, was that the Faustian spirit got infused with Magian qualities.
Exactly.
From a dominant masculine towards feminine; from physical towards mental possibilities.

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In a Faustian world I would expect to see men moving in different directions, to progress down different avenues but all this has been harnessed and is being directed towards typically Magian ends.

This just seems like Specialization which I imagine to some degree increased after Magian sheltering made it possible for men to forgo the martial rites of passage that managed to keep them grounded in reality... for the most part. Magian sheltering made the enlightenment possible as most of its prominent thinkers had grown accustomed to the social order brought by Abrahamic law, something that most NRXers, Tradcaths, and other Magian apologists would rather not admit.

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Transcending and negating are different.
Desiring to physically and mentally expand ones potentials, probabilities, is not the same as using magical language to mentally transcend what you cannot physically, so that you deny the relevance of the physical because it is easier to declare and fantasize and manipulate minds using words/symbols that need not correspond to tangible results.

It seems transcendence in one dimension might come at the price of another. Is the use of technology an act of transcendence? I know the transhumanists think themselves as doing so, despite the gap in their theories and practice.

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How can anyone have a rational discussion with a mind seeped in Magian superstitions?

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What an awful debate... makes Christian Apologists look as bad as the stereotypes
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Couldn't watch the entire thing...cringe factor got me disgusted....not phobic.
Like watching a cripple trying to sprint.

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The problem with "factual" debates is that it eventually comes down to "X is true", "No Y is true and X is a lie!".

A more productive debate would be if Christianity was an overall healthier influence on the west, which given the modern world is a hard case to make.

Just look at what happens when you actually attack Christianity at it's core, see how passive aggressive and feminine the apologist gets, eventually devolving in "hitting below the belt".

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Jesus


Conflict between the Abrahamics sects is an internal disagreement over who knows and understand their shared occult truth about the divine, and how one ought to share it or keep it to oneself, as a source of racial/tribal pride.

The issue is "choseness", and how this is determined by the divine. The chosen is a divine act of will, an offering which was rejected by all tribes except 12-13 Semitic tribes.
These will be saved.

Jesus sacrifices himself in an act of erasing tribal - genetic - divisions, converting (purifying) salvation into an ideological acceptance continuously being offered by the divine to all tribes.
The offering is nihilism. Nullification of all earthly, biological, physical identifications, liberating the soul/spirit, or the mind, from the body to rise and be cleansed of tis sins - its temporal physicality, its biology which must survive by consuming other life.

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This virus entered the European cultural bloodstream centuries ago, through the weakness of self-consciousness.
Its carrier is known....like bats were the carriers of the viral mutation that could be transmitted to humans.

Since then it has been raging among its desperate and degenerate members - or when sheltering produces excess mutational loads and wars break out to cleanse them away - but wars are no longer possible without total destruction, so plagues will replace them.
Physical - gene based - and mental - meme based.
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Abrahamism converted masculinity into an abstraction no man can ever live up to nor challenge.
All males became surrogates of that masculine idea/ideal - they were relegated to the position of subordinate pseudo-male.
Emasculated.
All females, and effete males, then competed over who would become this absolute ideal masculine entity's preferred concubine.
Jews made themselves the idealization of divinity- ritualizing their own symbolic castration - circumcision - adopting extermination as their objective. Undermining other cultures was their feminine strategy.
Christians universalized the masculine ideal and adopted seduction and bribery as their method towards the utopian objectives - they self-lobotomized.
Islam adopting coercion, instead of seduction/bribery or mass extermination - Armageddon - as their "way" towards their utopia - they also self-lobotomized and self-castrated themselves symbolically, mentally, ideologically.

All three are Messianic, and Utopian. All three use some form of emasculation of biological males.
All three are absolutist and nihilistic in that they believe in what contradicts sensually experienced existence - using an abstraction, via semiotics, to "correct", usurp, negate the real world, i.e., nature.

Marxism is directly linked to this. It simply eliminates the last form of distinction, the god, the one-god, abstraction, and renames all the other concepts to conceal its roots - for example "evil" becomes the "capitalists", and sinners, the saved, become the proletariat, and the one-god becomes the one-State, or one-humanity in its current postmodern reinvention.
Postmodern adjustments to Marxism - collectivizing work is replaced by a collectivization of responsibilities; evil is now "white heterosexual masculinity"; exploitation is now victimization....

Replace the words associated with the old concepts and then repackage and resell them to the same people, suffering from the same psychosomatic discomforts.
It's easy when the words no longer refer to anything independent from human minds.

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Not to be faulted for that, either.
It's fate....divine will.....it has been determined.

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Abrahamics triad do not disagree on the one-god but on how to define and worship him/her/it.
Each claims to know this one-god, to be closest to his will, or even to have been selected by him, just like a women chooses her man and then claims that he pursued her.

How can the one-god be a different god, when one, singularity, means the only one?
The absolute, the whole, complete, perfect, compensates for the incomplete, imperfect, fragmented ones.




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Each claims to know this one-god, to be closest to his will, or even to have been selected by him, just like a women chooses her man and then claims that he pursued her.

Makes me think that if a Pagan warlord were to return and bring order to the West, "right-wing" Abrahamics would be among the first to claim him as a "gift from god".

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More like the pagan gods gave order to a world of chaos, and the Abrahamics wanted to surrender to the highest order and be protected from a world of chaos.
Pagan gods were not perfect, not omniscient or omnipotent - they were also doing their best against chaos.
Their victory over the Titans, representations of the incomprehensible, the primordial, the abysmal, and became the gods of men.
They were order personified.

Abrahamism reduced the to a singularity that encompassed them all, and surrendered to this concept, denying nothing other than it.
Absolute order.
Totalitarianisms, authoritarianism, universal fascism.
Remnants of paganism still persisted....in all three.

In Christian Orthodoxy the remnants were so strong that their god became a triad, and the gods and heroes became saints, and prophets and apostles.

This is why even atheists who cannot overcome this Abrahamic singularity still believe in absolute order - hard determinism.
Chaos, representing evil, is intolerable, too disturbing to even consider.
They wants something to be in charge and their sufferings to have meaning, a purpose. They need a intolerable, authoritarian monarch because they don't want to grow up.
The child, feminine desire to surrender to the superior, protective pater.

As I said, some have failed to go through the natural rites of passage from adolescence to adulthood because of an absent or weak father, or because they refuse to face the world without this parental figure having no trust in themselves - anxiety before the unknown.
Impulsive types, or types that are chaotic in their mind, need this external order to be complete and total.
Let's say Dionysian types need an Apollo so powerful that there is no other god - the emasculated need an alpha so masculine that no biological male can even measure up.

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Notice the primary misleading use of semiotics.
Judaism is Semitism.
That would mean that Nietzsche's vitriolic aphorisms against Christianity concealed anti-Hellenism, or anti-Latinism.

Or any critique of Islam is concealing anti-Semitism, as well, as anti-Iranianism, or anti-Arabism.

Genes/Memes are conflated by inverting the sequence of their emergence.
The dogma/ideology precedes the tribal, the genealogy, or they are presumed to emerge simultaneously and so are inextricable.
Mind before Body, the inversion that identifies nihilism. In tis extremes the body is negated completely or selectively, and what is left is pure mind, god.
This is what is what is referred to as "spirit", defined as eternal.
Logos, in the Christian dogma, is the expression of incorporeal mind that creates the body using words.

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Plausibility = the likelihood that one perspective is more likely than another.
No certainty.
Certainty does not exist, as it refers to an absolute state of complete, indivisible, whole, oneness = omniscient, omnipotence.
This absence does not imply the opposite = absolute and uniform ignorance.

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"Cognitive dissonance"...
This is typical of nihilistic ideologies/dogmas.
When their disconnected from reality ideologies fail to produce the expected results - see Communism - does this dissuade the "true believer"?
No, he doubles-down.
He adopts what I've described already as a vigorous proselytization, creating an alternate world of the likeminded. An echo chamber, an inter-subjective cocoon.
Nihilism needs multitudes, needs quantities to remain viable. It needs to be global, universal, popular.
It has no other way to validate its delusions.
It completely or partially rejects, or denounces, objective reality so it needs follows it needs to immerse itself among minds that validate the same beliefs.

With no objective world to refer to, to test itself against, these psychotics use text, words, or other minds to refer and defer to.
They need an idol, representing the ideal.
People of the book, by the book, for the book - memetic to the core, ideologies, romantics.
They must make all ideologies like their own so as to conceal the weakness in their own "emoting", so they must make everyone just as subjective and solipsistic as they are. They must bring the world down to their level.

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