Transcendence - anything that believes in what is in a beyond, beneath (occult) the sensually perceived - and contradicts the sensually perceived. like....Abraham's god. Like, transsexuals. Like, Marxism. Like, Leprechauns, Satyrs, Centaurs, Unicorns, Ghosts....Santa Claus....Tooth Fairy.....spirits.....incorporeal souls....Tolkien's Middle-Earth...Marvel, DC... and Star Trek, Star Wars universes....Harry Potter....shall I go on. There's a multitude of fantasies.
Any mental synthesis taken literally, rather than representationally - lacking an external referent.
An insane person experiences joy from the fantasies in his head.
Emotions are automated reactions to sensual triggers. Pleasing sensation are about the momentary release from stress and of stress energies - like laughter.
You seek relief...and so your god must be preserved. It is how you cope.
Where do ideas come from? See...you don't read or you just do not understand.
Your ideas are given to you. But ideas that are rational and first-hand come from reality. Mind collects abstractions and connects them - understanding connects knowledge - knowledge is data: abstractinos...patterns. Mind collects sense data and creates abstractions; then it connects them to create ideas.
But the mind can also invert sense data...or combine it in ways that contradict the perceived. Like a map.....will it be of a representation of geography, or of a fantasy world? Like a satyr. Part goat, part man. GOAT. The mind synthesizes two sensually perceived organisms.
Like god - of Abraham - man idealizes himself - imagines the perfect man, a collective of men, actually - and then projects him as a universal creator, ascribing to him human attributes but extraordinary degrees, supernatural....a cosmic father-figure the child will never outgrow, and so will never mature. It wants to reman forever a child...or a woman, a concubine in her father's harem....incestuous, I know. Sick.
Where do ideas come from? See...you don't read or you just do not understand.
Your ideas are given to you. But ideas that are rational and first-hand come from reality. Mind collects abstractions and connects them - understanding connects knowledge - knowledge is data: abstractinos...patterns. Mind collects sense data and creates abstractions; then it connects them to create ideas.
But the mind can also invert sense data...or combine it in ways that contradict the perceived. Like a map.....will it be of a representation of geography, or of a fantasy world? Like a satyr. Part goat, part man. GOAT. The mind synthesizes two sensually perceived organisms.
Like god - of Abraham - man idealizes himself - imagines the perfect man, a collective of men, actually - and then projects him as a universal creator, ascribing to him human attributes but extraordinary degrees, supernatural....a cosmic father-figure the child will never outgrow, and so will never mature. It wants to reman forever a child...or a woman, a concubine in her father's harem....incestuous, I know. Sick.
I disagree. Thought came before the awareness of environment. Ideas came first, then were expressed to label that awareness.
Internal awareness before external interactivity. The inside out approach rather than the outside in.
Satyr Daemon
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What an absurd notion. All life is self-conscious...even worms...even amoebas.....even simple cells. all introspective. Consciousness evolved to perceive self, and then to perceive the world and aid the organism to survive within it.
See what emotional thinking does? How can any reasoning get through this thick wall of defensive pathos? Why try? Simply...exploit it.
Or...you can do what you are good at: Finding nice songs....and art.
'Cause philosophy ain't for you. You were given a metaphysical narrative, and you stuck to it.... Don't change. Live your life and do not explore. You can't. Your blinders are thick. Your a nurturer...not a challenger, not a warrior. Stay there, nurture the mythology you were given, and stop annoying people.
And? Ego = lucid part of consciousness. What we identify with when we say 'consciousness' of 'self.' 'Self' refers to the unconscious, i.e., body and the part of the brain that is not lucid. McGilchrist orients it in the 'right hemisphere'. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
So, focus loses data - sacrifices breadth for focus. But this 'lost data' is stored in the subconscious and we access it through intuition and in dreams. Meditation and drug use can access this lost data.
As I've noted....an individual has two sources of memory - 1- DNA, physical and 2- experiential first/second hand memories. The first has no way of making itself conscious other than through the second. This is evident in dreams when the mind shuts itself off from experiential sources and is immersed in genetic and the unconscious memories. Jung calls this the 'collective unconscious'. we carry with us centuries, millennia of genetic memories.
This has implications concerning artificial intelligence and what the paranormal actually is. Jaynes gives us a framework in Bicameral Mind how spirits, gods are an individuals confusion concerning his own subconscious making itself known to the ego.
Since memories are also how we perceive patterns this source of unconscious memories can serve to reveal patterns we cannot when we are immersed in the immediate - in the moment. See...'living in the moment' is a return to an animal state...and though it may be relieving it has its price. This is what is lost when man loses his traditions and his sense of identity - this continuum stored in his own body/mind.
It seeks a compensation in the immediate - social environment, dominated by marketing icons - a superficial identity.
Transcending self, in my view, is about breaking your inherited limits, your potentials. The only way to do this is to mentally reach your breaking point....just as one build muscle by breaking and forcing it to heal bigger and stronger.
Reaching and staying within your inherited potentials is not transcending yourself.
"Rising above one's ego" is objectivity. "Higher than your own self" means: collective identity. This can take any form...one is ideological, abstract, such as 'god'.....the feeling that you belong to something greater such as a concept that unifies many. Marxist feel this as a identification with the collective that hold the same beliefs in a Marxist Utopian system. individuals feel empowered by disappearing in collectives - their individual faults compensated, their feebleness multiplied. It's what attracts boys to gangs and girls to groups.
The other is the identification with your ancestry, your ethnos....the continuum you call self, incorporating a multitude of ancestors - once worshiped as spirits. Individuals sued to pray to their ancestors for help, offering sacrifices to them. A form of meditation, as your ancestors are a part of you...so you sought aid and guidance in your unconscious memories.
There could not be any knowledge without experience, that experience itself, and consequently the content of our knowledge, is shaped by the way our human minds work.
In other words, the world we experience is always a human world and is it because of this, finite human minds have difficulty grasping transcendence?
I think you (WendyDarling), are claiming you have had a transcendental experience?
If so, can you describe it.
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...Europeans are embracing their "transcendental identity" and the "oneness" of humanity. Gladly being replaced and eradicated, in the name of peace and existential oneness.
One has to wonder why "multiplicity" and natural selection if all is one?
Heraclitus wrote:
War is father of all, and king of all. He renders some gods, others men; he makes some slaves, others free.
What is peace then? Death and a return to the flux....a rendering of individuation to the multiplicity. Interesting that such spirits never produce anything that will help a tribe survive in the real world, and if this practice was adopted nothing would be left of the tribe they depend upon to continue meditating.
Lynch leads us down to the level of Energy = unified field - exoterically. Then leads us down the introspective rabbit hole to the no-thingness of individuation - esoterically. But, of course there's no 'thingness', and there is no oneness, either. Energy is multiplicity. Individuation is selective, qualification of individuation - movement towards oneness that can never be completed. Meditation reduces the individual to energy, and there he feels as part of a "whole" - Flux. With no care, no sense of self, no experience of existence - which is need/suffering. A pleasing, relaxing, relieving state.
It's to be noted that in India these meditative shamans are entirely dependent no other when they place themselves in these trances. As they turn inward, the outer world doesn't disappear....tigers lurk, and hunger and thirst will still kill the body as the mind detaches from it. Such shamans are usually beggars, surviving on handouts from people who mistake them as divine spirits.
Of course the state of mind detaching from body would be pleasing. The body is a constant reminder of existence and individuation...and some minds dream of a state of non-existent existence, or non-living consciousness. Which is not possible. Consciousness that is felt in these "deeper states" are of the meditator himself. He feels himself, as pure mind - void of need, suffering, which comes form the body.
Keep in mind. Body - esoskeleton. Brain - exoskeleton. Whereas the body envelops the skeleton, and is supported by it, when we get to the brain it is encased in the skull. This is also part of the mind/body synthesis. Mind emerges from brain - an extension - encased in the skull, sensing this as a disconnection from the physical. Meditation is this disconnection - at the spinal cord. Mind feels like an incorporeal brain floating in a sea - membrane encasing it - conscious of itself as a whole - because 'wholes' - one/nil - exist only in the mind. Its needs are being met by the body which it is detaching from. Such states are ephemeral because eventually the body needs to replenish its energies to support the brain's needs.
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So if "transcendence" means "going beyond", and "self-transcendence" means going beyond a prior form or state of oneself,
I would be interested in which of the above WendyDarling is referring to.
God = mind "Going Beyond" means going outside the body - into the mind - esotericism. Body is past manifested as present, in the ongoing fluctuating present. Esotericism finds "oneness" and "peace" and "tranquility" within the skull - mind, disassociated from brain; brain encased by skull, severing itself from the body at the spina cord - using meditative practices. This "severing" is not actual...it is how the mind experiences this detachment.
And, of course, it's pleasing.... As I've said...existence is experienced as need/suffering, so anything that offers relief form this experiencing is pleasing, invigorating, restive, relaxing... It offers psychosomatic benefits, by reducing stress/anxiety.
Drug addicts experience the same stage chemically.
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Satyr Daemon
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Meanwhile, as Wendy and well-meaning individuals of European descent, like her, are seeking esoteric truths and peace, and oneness, their people are being replaced and what remains of their identity is being questioned, accused and destroyed by exoteric forces that don't give a shit about their spiritual "enlightenment".
Meanwhile, as Wendy and well-meaning individuals of European descent, like her, are seeking esoteric truths and peace, and oneness, their people are being replaced and what remains of their identity is being questioned, accused and destroyed by exoteric forces that don't give a shit about their spiritual "enlightenment".
I guess there's some irony in white people in 2022 watching videos of other whites being sucker punched by blacks in the US. Imagine if videos were available for the several centuries in which black people were kept as chattel slaves, commodified, animalized, whipped, degraded, families destroyed, abused, killed, etc... SEVERAL CENTURIES!. There would probably be several hundred websites worth of data. It's hard, almost impossible, to compute the hypocrisy. But easy if you consider that the hypocrites themselves don't consider black people to be human.
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