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PostSubject: Mythological Entrapment Mythological Entrapment  EmptyFri Dec 01, 2017 10:56 am

Symbols (language, words, numbers) are the expressions of the neurological network.
Nexus between mind/body.
It is the point where interpretation of (inter)action occurs.

Metaphor is the interpretation of Flux into binary code = art.
The reduction of dimensional possibilities into 1/0 dualities, by reducing possibilities using the criterion of probability.
Mind can only process order, patterns, and order are probabilities by another name.
But probabilities cannot be processed beyond a certain point, representing the limit of the human brain, or the limit of the techniques/technologies as extensions, multiplying the abilities of the human brain.

Metaphor, in science as in mythology, is the simplification/generation and the conversion of data, and the implies probabilities, into a form the average mind can process.
Religion, of the Abrahamic kind, approaches them as literal, exploiting the average mind's poor artistry with symbols.
Science approaches them as symbolic of what cannot be defined or described otherwise - a mental necessity, born out of the method the brain must use to symbolize the fluid, the interactive flux.
Modern science presumes order, and so assumes that its symbols expose a deeper code governing all existence - god is indirectly implied and named absolute order.
What is excluded is the chaotic, defined not as complexity but as randomness - that which can only be indirectly hinted at, using art....but where art is not taken literally but as what it is - representation.

Philosophy is the discipline, the art of language, attempting to un-cover reality.
It does not presume anything.
It begins with a clean slate, but does not assume it as being human nature.
Human nature is accounted for and eluded whenever it intervenes to corrupt the objective which is no more than the world by another name.
World is not presumed to be ordered, or god by another name...but as mysterious, bedazzling = kosmos.
It appears only to the living, because to appear or the objective can only be so to a subject, to a consciousness, a mind that interprets.
What precedes the interpretation is the mystery, the mystical, philosophy wants to approach, with no prejudice, and describe using symbols (words, numbers), without being mesmerized by them - immersed in art.
Using art, without being confused by one's own artistry.
It is human all too human to create a mental model and then to be impressed, by it, as a child is by its own body when first discovering it...as if ti were something magical, strange, alien.
Janes in his thesis on the bicameral mind, describes the awakening of self-consciousness within consciousness, as an explanation of how gods and myths could have been derived by the confusion of conscience for an alien otherness....the self, as the continuum of memories (genetics/memetics) awakening to itself....as life awakens to world as consciousness.
Mythology is the first attempt to make sense of self.
If we use the term 'ego' the Greek word for self, to differentiate lucidity of self, and Self as the symbol for memories that have yet to be re-called, or brought to lucidity, to clarity, we can begin to differentiate and connect with clarity, genetic memories and memetic fabrications built upon genetic memories.
The continuum of Self, as genetic memory, can be connected to the continuum of symbols we name meme, or in a less general way we call culture.

So we have two dualities which are really part of the same continuum...
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...another way of saying real/idea(l), or phenomenon/noumenon, or (inter)active/interpretation, because language describes the same concepts using different words, and each different name carries a slight nuance that has to be justified, but it isn't always....particularly by Nihilists who thrive on ambiguity, and mystification, either to absolutely reject, or to absolutely validate.
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In between the <> what is insinuates is the interpretation the transitional, the conversion of phenomenon to noumenon - its simplification/generalization, or its reduction from fluid to static, from Flux (interaction) to abstraction (idea/ideal).
This is where the stimuli is converted to neurological pulse, and transported to the brain via the nervous system to be processed.
In the mind is where nihilism occurs as a reaction to stimuli.
In the mind is where the abstraction can be reinterpreted, deconstructed and re-synthesized and where it can be inverted, to be projected into world as what the mind desires, needs from the world.
Mythology is where nihilism exists, as theory.
It is art, linguistic metaphors presented as more real than the experiences real.
Abrahamic spirituality, called Religion, is the antithesis of science, which is rooted in Aryan spirituality and philosophy, beginning with the apparent.
Bottom<>Up Thinking.
In the place of the apparent the Abrahamics place mytholplacy....a spirituality of negation, or replacement, inversion, and call it by any name....because language is now detached from reality and only remain attached to linguistic definitions, or socially constructed conventions.
Nihilism begins with the dictionary, as a social convention, full of social constructs, reflecting a historical context (meme), but then refuse to connect the symbols/word to the ongoing fluidity of the world, so as to reattach the past to their own fabrications, their own needs/desires, their own contrivances.
They begin with mythology and return to it....because mythology is malleable. The narratives can be interpreted and reinterpreted...the noumenon can be recycled and remade, and repacked and re-synthesized because there is no natural order to stop mental-masturbation.
No standard outside the kind to adhere to, to discipline fantasy to.
It is imagination run amok.

With no reference point outside itself the mind seeks validation in otherness, or it returns to itself - narcissism, solipsism.
If the self is insufficient it seeks in famous others validation....famous icons, figures...or in text, in mythological narratives that no longer metaphorically refer to the world but are either taken literally or seesaw...sometimes being taken figuratively and other times literally, as it suits the desperate mind.
The standard is fluid....shifting to accommodate the user....to be more convenient, appealing, pleasing, seductive.
Symbols/words defer to mythological imagery, narratives and then remain ambiguous....having no real world to discipline themselves to.
They hover in a noetic limbo where every experience validates them, and any phenomenon lends credence to their insinuations.\
It's a win/win scenario.
The ego is safe.....it is never exposed as what it is.
It does not have to prove itself, because its symbols/words are flexible enough to accommodate any possible outcome.
They can be placed in any order within a sentence....they can be sued in any fashion which remain self-consistent.

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PostSubject: Re: Mythological Entrapment Mythological Entrapment  EmptyFri Dec 01, 2017 11:20 am

Living in mythological reality is living in a fantastic, fantasy world.
More pleasing, more inspiring, more artistic.
A world attractive to a individuals desperately looking for a world more sublime world full of innuendos, private implications, inconspicuous messages.
Naive idealism permeates its relationships.
Idealizes beings existing in an idealized world, governed by idealized forces.

A world for women and children, who cannot or refuse to grow up.

A world 'too much', or 'not enough'.
Bipolar psychology of the modern is encapsulated in this 'too much' and 'not enough'.
Mythology is the idealization of an alternate occult world to escape within, or to gratify what remains dissatisfied by what is.

This is the root of Nihilism.
Not a product of some conspiracy...but the exploitation of a preexisting, naturally occurring, internal anxiety/fear....or dissatisfaction, disillusionment.
Boredom is just as anxiety producing as is stress.

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What is Peterson saying other than what a few of us have known all along?
What does Peterson say that we've not heard from Campbell?
Who is he 'teaching' but the naive, the lost, the ones who have forgotten?
It's the same effect Nietzsche had on a world that had become ill on Nihilism.
he simply and eloquently repeated ancient wisdom to a people that had forgotten.
What was 'new' about Nietzsche?
The only thing was his diagnosis of Nihilism, as a by-product of shrinking spaces and lost frontiers. .
He linguistically updated ancient wisdom and retold the story to lost souls.

That's exactly what Peterson is doing.
The one-eyed rule over the blind.
It's why I've already admitted that my effect, Satyr's impact, could only have occurred in a world such as this...where stating the obvious is a revolutionary act, as Orwell said.
I am a re-minder, of what is already known...but forgotten or denied access to the frontal cortex.
It lingers there, like a lost memory....felt as something wrong, something there but vague.....something terrifying, for some.

Does Peterson connect the obvious pattern...Jesus > Marx > Frankfurt School?
Of course not.
That would immediately make him a pariah in a world living on myth and in mythology.
Look at the movies....comic book 'heroes' now reinvented to harmonize with post-modern ideals.
Black Captain America, gay Green Lantern, and the same childish binary themes of good versus evil are recycled with amazing graphics, special effects to compensate for the infantile storylines.  

Masses cannot be lost in ideas/ideals they need imagery...and mythology is this imagery.
Like modern fArt it allows the observer, the audience, to project into the art whatever psychosis ails him/her.  
it's not challenging or exclusive...its all-inclusive....and any understanding  of it is enough.
Lowest-Common-Denominator makes us intimate commoners meeting in a infantile middle-ground.

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PostSubject: Re: Mythological Entrapment Mythological Entrapment  EmptyFri Dec 01, 2017 12:21 pm

There is an underlying 'logic' to all mythologies, as I've tried to expose in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Mythologies have to be self-consistent, otherwise they would fail to capture our imagination and lure us into their premises.

The premise does not contradict itself.
Within its boundaries it is rational, has a logical consistency, and metaphorical meaning we can all associate with our own personal experiences of our own experiences in the world, and interpretations of the world.

There are three layers to mythology.
The first is in relation to itself. The story itself. the simplest and most relatable part- able to absorb minds of all qualities with its 'actions' its fights and explosions and drama - ego.
Then there's its relation to our society - meme.
The third is how it relates to nature, the world beyond and before society - gene.

Each corresponds to the three layers - Mind/Body/Nervous System...Ego/Self/World.

Our nervous system cannot shut itself off from reality.
All it can do is numb itself, using chemicals to the continuous input, or fool itself (self-deceit).
Our body is a constant reminder of our past, before we were born...and, of course, our mind is our personal experiences of the world and reactions to it.

Post-modernism is self-deceit. It refuses to acknowledge what it perceives, so as to not have to face what this means, on a personal basis.
Self-deceit requires support. The liar must convince others of the 'truthfulness' of his own self-deceit.
Lies require fools to buy into them, otherwise they crumble into dust.
Realism requires no such methods.

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A thief takes what belongs to another....in the night, under the cover of darkness we appropriates what another has earned.
A liar takes what belongs to another and twists it, in the darkness of his ignorance, to mean whatever he desires and needs for himself.
He takes, from another, and adapts it to his own needs.

Best liars and thieves are those who do so in the light.
Brilliant thief makes the victim give him what belongs to them, and vanishes before the other realizes he has been tricked.
Brilliant liar takes the real and twists it to seduce and to convince, disappearing before the other realizes what has occurred.

All effective hypocrites take the truth and slightly modify it.
The level of their talent determines the level of mind they exploit.
Each charlatan gathers those who are slightly below their own level of intelligence, and their own level of self-respect.
The one who is willing to sacrifice the most pride to gain the most from those who are unwilling to go beneath it is the one who is most effective - usury.
It all comes down to how many principles one is willing and able to sacrifice to the altar of survival.

Shamelessness has its advantages.
Decrepitude has its rewards.

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Nihilism recruits the audience into the fabrication of his own self-deceit.  
It's an interactive conspiracy. Both liar and the lied to are participants in a ruse both benefit from.

The deceiver, the salesman, offers a 'deal' the buyer cannot refuse, and the buyer must defend his choice validating the salesman's pitch, but also protecting his own underlying motives.
It's the same with hypnotists.
The hypnotist is not in possession of supernatural powers but he pretense to be, tongue-in-cheek, and the hypnotized puts himself in a hypnotic state, validating the hypnotist and gaining whatever benefit from the event.
It varies from individual to individual.
The faith healer practices a similar ruse.
He is the conduit, the deceiver, and the theoretical victim is the one desperate for healing.
The preacher becomes the liar, and the believer wanting to be healed the desperate victim wanting to be lied to.
Both are consciously, or more probably, unconsciously, 'in' on the deception.
Astrologers perform a similar service.    

Same for Nihilism.
It is an obvious lie, to all except the one offering a fulfillment of what is absent in the world, and the one who is ready and willing to buy into anything, as long as it gratifies a need and placates a desire: expunges accumulated libidinal excessive stress energies.
It's an almost impossible boundary to break through when both liar and lied to are cooperating, each for their own reasons, in the fabrication of deceit.
this is how 'positive' nihilism attains its 'power', or what it defines as 'power'.
Under the all-inclusive tent of faith-healer and desperate for hope sick person, find in each other a partner in a crime.
The 'tent' is transported (metaphor) from the real to the ideal, from the physical corporeal realm to the realm of ideology and theory, where everything and everything is possible...including the supernatural, the surreal, the unreal.

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PostSubject: Re: Mythological Entrapment Mythological Entrapment  EmptySat Dec 02, 2017 12:16 pm

Mythological thinking is Modern Psychosis
It conveniently believes in its own absolutes, its own idea(l)s as literal, rather than as figurative, representational approximation.
It conveniently is convinced by its own language.

It is true that all beliefs have to be dumbed-down for the layman, the man who cannot or does not care to think beyond his personal self-interests and pleasures.
Ancient mythologies were the simplification of complex natural phenomena, converted to a narrative, a story that can be recited and added to, from generation to generation.
Before the written word narratives served as a way to re-call and remain accurate to ancestral wisdom.
Did the average man literally believe in the allegorical narratives?
Of course he did.
This later became Nihilistic dogma where the allegorical narrative had no reference in the real. The metaphor did not connect the mind to the world but was presented as self-referential storylines with their own internal 'logic’.
Something the average man could not help but prefer over a world that was indifferent to his interests and difficult to control predict and cope with.
A preferable always rational, because it was the product of a human mind, story-line – a presentation of an ordered, human, world.
Every mysterious phenomena had a hidden human source. It was rational, and so could be reasoned with.
It was ordered so it could be known and controlled.
Nihilism exists only as language, only through semiotics means it exists as noumenon, constructed with symbols/words that only have meaning in the mind, because they have no external reference.
This is an esoteric mythology... passed on, as the ancients passed on their narratives... but not in relation to an experienced world but in relation to an internal reaction to an external world.
It is the reaction, the coping method that is shared as seduction, as escape, as a preferred alternate to the real.
Do myths have references to reality?
Yes... and this is where the danger begins.
A lie, a good lie, must have some relation to the truth.
It would not be a convincing lie if it did not.
A good lie is a hyperbole, directed by the one lied to. The liar adapts the lie by drafting the 'victim' into its creation. It's a shared production... liar and lied to; hypnotist, and hypnotized.
Myth, rather than transporting the real on the idea(l), does the reverse... it transports the idea(l) on the real.
But the idea(l) and the real do not harmonize so the real is sampled and adjusted to agree with the idea(l).
What happens in the real world is interpreted in a way that validates the idea, the theory.
The reverse was the case in Aryan mythologies.
For them the real was the guide. Natural order, natural phenomena were transferred/transported on anthropomorphic imagery.
Their gods were their dead ancestors, and then became natural phenomena.
There's an entire field of study dealing with how ancient mythologies correspond ...called [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].  
This is not what moderns do.
They do the reverse.
They take their preferred outcome, their projected ideals, and impose them upon worldly events... like the historical figure of Jesus.
Whether he was a real man or not is irrelevant, because his use to the Nihilist is as a mythological character, an icon.
It's the myth they are interested in not the reality of the man as a natural phenomenon they have experience with.
He is the idol used to transport, metaphor, their esoteric needs, their emotionally driven desires... into a mythological realm that replaces the real world... subjective mental constructs, represented by symbols usurp the objective world... the noetic usurps the phenomenon, the idea(l) usurps the real.
A sheltered mind can now exist in a mythological alternate reality, overlaying, or underneath the mundane one.
This is what they call 'esoteric' or occult.
Not a secret knowledge about the world all can validate, but a secret world that can only be validated with specialized knowledge, data... meaning metaphors.
To be transported into this alternate, occult, reality, you must know the 'right codes' the verbal incantations, the verbally or ritually triggered spells.

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PostSubject: Re: Mythological Entrapment Mythological Entrapment  EmptySat Dec 02, 2017 3:03 pm

Of course there's something quit charming about an adult man or woman taking the mythological narratives beyond their metaphorical qualities. Like children who literally believe in Santa clause and sit gaped mouthed when hearing fairy-tales being repeated.
Something non-threatening and pure in their naivete.
But, as with children, prolonged contact can become tiresome, particularly when all they want to do is role-play their favourite characters from these stories.

They seek what we all seek, on some level....a return to a state of purity and ignorance, where the world was still full of easily accessible amazement, and exciting surprises.

Psychology is key here, as it is in the admiration of Nietzsche.  
His contribution is entirely psychological.
to the point where Freud stopped reading him because he was running out of things to contribute.
He offers nothing new in the area of philosophy, metaphysics, spirituality... translating ancient wisdom into modern literature metaphors.
What comes to mind is his application of Dionysian and Apollonian metaphors to describe psychological dispositions.
Where he was brilliant is in psychology and in particular Modern psychology - the human condition.
The reaction to world, rather than the world itself.
It's why he finds so many admirers among Modern males, below a certain age, or adolescent in their psychology.
We can see how these boys and girls, would then turn to a mythological narrative, inspired by him, to describe their own psychological reactions to reality.

Don't get me wrong, philosophy is, in part, the exploration of the human condition and how it relates to the world it finds itself in, and is continuously confronted by.
Psychologists like Peterson and Jung were attracted to Nietzsche themselves for this reason.
Not until him did philosophy deal with the medium through which awareness of world is made possible.
But this also makes him an easy icon for those who are lost in the world to get trapped by, just as a psychotherapist is often worshipped by the patients he treats, because for them he is the first, perhaps the only one who actually understands them, or tells them what they want to hear, or seems to care about them as he cares for them.
It's also easy to be inspired by the ones we admire, wanting to become them, as in this case.

Bringing us to mythology.
The usage of literature metaphors, references, and mythological imagery is a powerful method for those still lost in the real world.  
With nothing to grab hold of they are given a method of grabbing hold of mythological constructs and twisting them into any meaning they so desire....as one does with all art.  
The audience is full of individuals who believe the artist is directing his work to them. That he wrote the song, or painted the picture, or wrote the book or poem with them in mind.
People obsess over famous iconic artists.
They want to get close to him, love him, and finally be him.
Unable to tap into their own spirits they imitate the icon's product - his imagery, his metaphors.
The reason why they cannot tap into their spirit is the same reason they confuse the icon's metaphors for the real.
For them the icon's metaphors are external, in relation to them.
The world he painted now becomes a world they want to enter and stay in, adding to it their own contributions along the same metaphorical lines.
Like those who were amazed by Tolkien wanting to write books that add to his metaphorical Middle Earth realm, after having lived in it, in their minds, for decades.

This is more of a male issue, because women fail to become so engrossed, over a long period of time.
Their obsessions are short-lived......they are less romantic....
I know surprising to hear.
Women become obsessed easily and then lose interest just as quickly.
Their more chaotic nature is based on their natural agency, and their reproductive role.

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PostSubject: Re: Mythological Entrapment Mythological Entrapment  EmptySat Dec 02, 2017 7:18 pm

Nihilism is realism appropriated and inverted by idealism.
Consider the modern myth of a character named 'Superman'.
Originally he was a caricature of Nietzsche's 'overman'. An attempt to slander and degrade the idea of superiority.
Two Jews took him and converted him to his opposite: a defender of weakness.
This is their 'power'....their 'genius'.
Semites, the lowest of the low, discovered a way to mythologize themselves out of their lowly status.
Judaism is a identity built on myth...the myth of their victimhood being a virtue rather than a vice.
This is not unique to them....as all Nihilism is such an insertion fabricated on noetic constructs released from natural order....from the bounds of reality.  
Their power is a product of psychological manipulation....in all the fields they dominate: psychology, economics, sociology...all an exploitation of the human psyche.
No art, no athletic prowess, no innovation...but only in the realm of ideas.  

They are constructing their 'ideal world' through propaganda.
Watch any modern movie coming out of Hollywood.
All of it mythoplacy that contradicts human experiences, human nature...natural order.
Repeating it, day after day, until children grow up to think this alternate version of reality is the actual one.
Subtle messages infecting the minds of the audience.

Superman is remade into a shepherd of lostness...a Messiah for the masses.
Herd mythology.

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When mythological thinking remains pragmatic it is exposed as saying what has been said, or what is established wisdom, using different semantics.
When mythological thinking pretends to be saying more than what has already been said, it stops being pragmatic and becomes psychological manipulation with no intrinsic value other than its effect on the mind.

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The movie universes of Marvel and DC are now becoming the most popular expressions of Frankfurt School ideology.

Who best to describe it than a Ben Shapiro.
Social commentary is now prohibited to all except to those belonging one of the victim groups; Jews, homosexuals, women, and blacks.
One who belongs to all would be ideal.



The only permissible antithesis to the secular branch of Nihilism must come form its religious branch.
We only find religions Abrahamics, such as Shapiro, Yiannopoulos, and Crowder exposing the dis-ease.
We can include Peterson in this group.

The only acceptable opposition to secular nihilism (Marxism, post-modernity) would have to come from spiritual nihilism (Abrahamism)....both being part of the same bipolar paradigm.

Nihilism, memetic virus, spreads/infects using symbols/words.
It is entirely noetic, abstract.
Therefore the only other acceptable antithesis to it would be a version of it that negates all symbols/words as equally meaningless; all being 'social constructs'.
We all know of the type. It's the type that redefined words according to his/her desire, or does so selectively.
It's the type who can only accept a definition of a word that refers to other words - scripture, text...
Non-consistency exposes it.....whereas consistency remains true to its internal 'logic'.

The 'logic' implies that symbols/words refer to noumena that are entirely fabricated by human beings....within social, memetic, environments.
Sex, male/female, race can then be defined as socially fabricated meaningless concepts, or concepts that can be manipulated, altered according to social needs.

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In Modern Mythoplacy propaganda is presented to masses of immature minds.
Strong females fighting against bigger, badder males.....usually Caucasian males.....blacks in positions of status, or of exceptional genius....homosexuality as normal.....

This is nowhere more obvious than in the popular genre of comic-book mythology which is now becoming popular because Hollywood has ran out of original ideas and is now focusing on money-making schemes.
In the comic-book universe, alternate realities, of DC and MARVEL Frankfurt School ideals are presented in fascinating, impressive, subtle and not so subtle forms.
Especially MARVEL is fully on-board the post-modernity, nihilistic, wagon.

Even mythological characters have a quota.
University quotas did not work, most Negroes dropping out before they finish because nature cannot be 'corrected' with ideological contraptions.
Affirmative action got them in the door, but they could not handle the pressure because they did not earn they place there. They could no compete.
The myth of 'edumucation' crumbles....you cannot nurture away, in one or two or ten generations, hundreds of thousands of years of nurturing (nature).
You cannot construct parity through assimilation and mixing....that only lowers the averages it does not raise them.

Hollywood is making the same mistake.
Selling nihilistic icons to mostly Caucasian males will not change the reality of sexual and racial differences.
Nobody can stay in a mythological world, living a mythological life in an alternate reality. At some point you have to leave the proverbial platonic cave, the theatre, and go into the sunlight.
If you stay there, watching the shadows, it is you who will pay the price.

They are now creating a gay Green Lantern, a woman Superman, a black Captain America and who knows what else.
We've seen the more subtle propaganda in Mcdonalds commercials where two lesbians suddenly appear, all smiley and happy, to enjoy a happy meal, after their nuptial agreement, or when a prepubescent girl gives her girlfriend a gift at the door....but this is overt.
Who is the target audience?
European males.

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The only resistance to this dis-ease, in the west, seems to be coming from its lower grade variant called Abrahamism, or spiritual nihilism.
The Cold War was a inter-nihilist fight over the spoils once it was established that nihilism could impose itself numerically in a world with no physical frontiers.
We are experiencing a continuation of this Cold War in this display of resistance by Christianity to secular humanism , Marxism, or post-modernity.
But beneath this Cold War, that has some heated flare-up, like in the 'conversations' posted, that can range from heated emotional debates to full warfare, there's another level of Warfare between Nihilism in all its forms with Aryanism or Paganism as we refer to ourselves, adopting the derogatory term they gave us.
I've defined the parameters of this inconspicuous war in my thesis [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] that also encompasses some of the same boundaries, the proverbial linguistic front-lines as are crossed in the display above, by the christian Crowder, but goes beyond them into areas he will not go because ti would also destroy his own linguistically founded Abrahamism.
I call this war a Frigid War....as it remains entirely on a abstract level due to the fact that nihilism exist in the hearts and minds in the form of theory where symbols/words are denied an external reference point, or where noumena have no reference in phenomena.
The above conversations touch upon this fact, but they do not go beyond a certain point.
But it offers an example of what kinds of minds we are dealing with, and what mythological worlds they exist within.
Crowder has his own Mythology, as do the post-modern, Frankfurt School infected SJW's, and the debate is over which mythology will usurp the reality of their shared existence.


Mythology has stopped being a representations, in poetic narrative form of the real, but the real is the poetic narrative of the mythological alternate more real reality.
In Crowders mythological world, his subjectivity detached from all external objective standards, God is the absolute singularity....and the SJW's begin from there and follow that 'logic' to its self-consistent end.
Crowder disagrees with this follow-through, wanting to return to the word, as the word being God.
But they begin from the word and the word is anything and everything they want, having dismissed, or rejected, the limit of the singularity Crowder imposes upon his thinking.

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Man accumulates knowledge and advances in his understanding of himself and the world he finds himself within.
Early versions of his comprehension give way to more sophisticated narratives.
Mythology was man's early attempt to express complex forces in a manner that even laymen could relate to, using metaphors and narratives to remain true to the accumulation of understanding.
In a time of no written language and illiteracy, mythologies and stories were a way to preserve accumulating understanding, while at the same time preserve the accuracy of what had been already understood.

Other primitive forms of man's progress can be discovered in such concepts as is alchemy, that gave way to chemistry, mineralogy and other scientific disciplines; astrology was replaced by psychology, sociology and other disciplines dealing with the human condition; magic was replaced by technology, and technique....and so on.

Mythology has also been replaced by modern methods of constructing and transmitting narratives about a shared reality.
This does not make ancient mythology superior to modern methods....only more vague, more primitive, due to the differences in [potentials of that previous age.
We moderns can gain from a study of ancient myths, because their abandonment has resulted in confusion, but these myths should not replace our modern narratives and methods, but only be used as a reference point to clarify them and to cleanse them of their accumulated corruptions.

Moderns live in myth, but not the kind we associate with the ancients.
the ancients used myth, as I said, to transmit accurately their accumulating knowledge and understanding, in the form of a narrative, using metaphors, to future generations.
The myths referred to reality, and converted observable phenomena into a form a simple, uneducated mind could relate to, and be affected by - making this knowledge and understanding applicable by all, and pragmatic to individuals that had no sophistication and no expertise.
Now they are being used to manipulate and to exploit this ignorance and an innate human angst concerning the unknown, and the unknowable.

Mythology returns to the forefront, but not to clarify, overcoming weakness and ignorance, but to spread it, and to return mankind to a state of superstition when the masses could be easily manipulated using metaphors.
Technologies have exposed man to grater sources of data, and his understanding has been unable to offer guidance.
The common man is inundated by knowledge, his mind overwhelmed by data.
His literacy exposing him to information he cannot process or make sense of.

Metaphors are still necessary.

Metaphors that clarify and do not exploit this stress, by feeding into superstitions and returning man to a primitive state of understanding.

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Our focus should be on young men, and women.
Those that have not been infected, and have yet to invest time and effort on linguistically fabricated  delusions.
We should focus on re-educating young minds in the proper use of language.
Etymology....what language is and how it functions...what mythologies are, and how metaphors, allegories, symbols are used.

This will produce a first level of immunology - an autoimmune system of understanding and pragmatic application of words and symbols.
A first line of defence on the very place where the dis-ease inserts itself into consciousness - the nervous system, the brain.

Of course, then we have hypocrisy, need, and cowardice to deal with.
Unfortunately we can't do much about these traits, because they are inherited genetically, but we may perceive their atrophying, due to particular individual factors.
A regimentation of controlled stress, used in physical training, is a way to cultivate the minds natural potentials to their fullest.
Exposure to reality, the indifference and brutality of nature, are ways of evaluating constitution and stamina.

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