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PostSubject: Messianism Messianism EmptyMon Feb 03, 2020 7:57 am

A fundamental part of the Abrahamic world-view, expressed psychologically as fatalism.
A psychology that carries into Marxism and its belief in the 'end of history'.
It is a by-product of the good/evil, God/Satan, dichotomy that can be translated into secular forms such as the mathematical 1/0 binary, or order/chaos, conceptualized in Divine term, i.e., as absolutes.
The idea becomes the consciousness of a cosmic fact, and may even usurp the real experience of existence.
An either/or mindset that produces fanaticism.
Either Paradise regained or hell; either utopia of dystopia.
After 2000 years of Abrahamic brainwashing the world is dominated by the triad that represents its religious foundation: Judaism, Christianity, Islam.

Existence is conceptualized as an absolute - absolute conciousness, authority, order.
Fatalism is the surrender to Divine will.
Every that has happened is happening or will ever happen is ascribed to divine providence in secular terms there is no need for intervention by the one-god, because nothing can ever break the universal rules, so nothing can ever challenge absolute order - true belief becomes an act of acknowledging this absolute fact and learn to accept it.
Challenging, resisting, can only result in pain and suffering - a hell no earth.
All are innocent, void of responsibility, because they are agencies of this divine order - in god's image.
What is left but to enjoy what the divine was provided and fated man to enjoy, as he must learn to endure, stoically, what has been fated for him to suffer?
The idea of being an agency of the divine, absolute order, offers the individual a sense of profound agency - power through association.
He is an actor acting in accordance to a universal absolute authority - an expression of God's will, even if he refuses to accept that he believes in god because the term is now associated with the triad he's surpassed - progressed from, overcome.
If enough fanatics are convinced of this then Messianism becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy, where each faction, interpreting the absolute in its own way - as it was divinely determined - will be governed by this either/or absolutism which is confronted with that of another - one's own paradise is another's hell, therefore in the either/or dichotomy of Abrahamism, one side is striving for a oneness the other will only nullify.
The individual does not believe he is responsible for how history unfolds, but that it is all part of a universal path - inevitable. When this is shared by millions, billions, then this fanaticism is supported by others and it gains conviction - passion - becoming increasingly more fanatical.

Messianism always has the ideals of beginnings and ends, usually not named but alluded to.
Such as the 'end of history', the 'end of philosophy', the 'last man', 'end of civilization', 'end of life on earth', 'end of history' etc., submitting to the idea that evolution is separated into distinct ends and beginnings, sometimes final and complete.
A psychology born of the dynamics explored in Calhoun's Behavioural Sink. a planetary 'sink', i.e., enclosure, with abundance - up to the current date - yet with shrinking spaces, absence of frontiers (an outside).
An enclosed reality within which the 'outside' is theoretical, and though observable it remains beyond reach - contributing to the psychology of those trapped within - 'herd psychology', domestication, institutionalization.
Calhoun's analysis should be applied to human behaviour as it has developed in urban environments over the last century.

Abrahmism emerges when population increases to the point where other becomes a problem to be dealt with, because he could not be escaped - the fight/flight mechanism becomes a singularity, and fleeing is internalized, creating a psychological schisms between the public and private man - esoteric/exoteric, introversion/extroversion.
Nihilism is a defence against the awareness of self in relation to seeking an internal alternate reality delineated by semiotics, creating the real/ideal corresponding to body/mind.
Body cannot escape other - it is forced to interact - therefore fleeing, using semiotics, becomes of the mind.
In the west Abrahamism became viral when it provided a nihilistic, self-consistent, framework for the mind - conciousness - to immerse itself within - salvation.
In the east similar population pressures and psychologies developed into Buddhism.
Zoroastrianism is the link between the two, each version morphing to accommodate the particular genetics of the tribes that came in contact with these ideologies.
We see evidence of this in ancient-Greek texts and the contact of Socrates with a Thracian named Zalmoxis - which undoubtedly, shaped Plato's own conceptions, as he integrated this monist world-view into Hellenism, which would explain his integration into Christian dogma - Socrates being claimed as a prophet of the coming of Jesus.

That side, the psychology of monism - though it often pretends to believe in multiplicities, integrated into a singularity - is part of the evolution of human cognition.

Accessing the frontier of space - which we are tempted to call 'the last frontier' falling into the same psychology - will alter man's psychology and with time this will manifest in physical changes - appearance is essence.
Until then we can only hope that man will survive its current nihilistic stage - trapped in its own binary mental methodology.



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PostSubject: Re: Messianism Messianism EmptyMon Feb 03, 2020 8:03 am

The US is the first Messianic Empire.
It it governed by the idea that it has emerged on earth to save mankind from, itself - freeing man is saving man.
Those who have lost fate in freedom - or have misinterpreted the concept, defining it out of existence so as to make it forever unattainable, or absurd - have surrendered to fate - un-invested in the future, they give themselves to the present - materialism/hedonism - and are comforted by the 'end of times', 'end of history', 'end of man', prophesy; comforted that he lives on the height of the end, able to survey the entirely in the present.

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A messiah complex (Christ complex or savior complex) is a state of mind in which an individual holds a belief that they are destined to become a savior today or in the near future. The term can also refer to a state of mind in which an individual believes that they are responsible for saving or assisting others.
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Religious delusion
The term "messiah complex" is not addressed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), as it is not a clinical term nor diagnosable disorder. However, the symptoms of the disorder closely resemble those found in individuals suffering from delusions of grandeur or that they have grandiose self-images that veer towards the delusional. An account specifically identified it as a category of religious delusion, which pertains to strong fixed beliefs that cause distress or disability. It is the type of religious delusion that is classified as grandiose while the other two categories are: persecutory and belittlement. A suggested example of this type of delusion was the case of Paul, who declared that God spoke to him, telling him that he would serve as a conduit for people to change. The so-called Kent-Flew thesis argued that his experience entailed auditory and visual hallucinations.
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In terms of the attitude wherein an individual sees himself as having to save another or a group of poor people, there is the notion that the action inflates his own sense of importance and discounts the skills and abilities of the people he is helping to improve their own lives.

The messiah complex is most often reported in patients suffering from bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. When a messiah complex is manifested within a religious individual after a visit to Jerusalem, it may be identified as a psychosis known as Jerusalem syndrome.

The messiah complex in such rare individuals can cause unimaginable consequences when combined with narcissistic and paranoid traits.

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What applies to the individual can apply to a culture/civilization.

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PostSubject: Re: Messianism Messianism EmptyMon Feb 03, 2020 8:19 am

In the dichotomy of nihilism, the Messiah complex is accompanied by a rejection of it - the antithesis of it.

The idea that one can save mankind produces the idea that mankind does not need to be saved because mankind is as it was, is and will be as this has been determined
There is nothing to 'correct', adjust, do, when all is part of a plan only the delusional can claim to be able to perceive - know god's will - and to oppose to any degree.

Absolute oneness produces its own negation, as absolute none-ness - 1/0.

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Messianism works within an either/or binary - good/evil - offering salvation in the form of paradise, or utopia, as an end in itself.
Either man is saved or he is condemned to hell.
Hell/Paradise, the dualism of binaries....one spiritual the other secular - hell in a underneath, heaven in a beyond, or heaven and hell on earth, in some imminent future.
The Messianic priest offers salvation to those who accept its guidance - its interpretations of existence which have no external referents - existing only noetically, in the minds of believers, and therefore expanding its effectiveness demands proselytizing heathens. In some variants proselytizing is unnecessary for their prophesises to be realized - in fact non-believers are crucial in maintaining the good versus evil identifiers.

Here Messianism expresses salvation myths, as a reaction/rejection of experienced reality.
Salvation means form existence as it is experienced. the myth only affect those who believe....just as astrology only affects humans - animals with logos - and animals are exempt from its psychological, predictive, insights.
Only humans can overcome evolutionary processes - races and genders replaced by astrological categories - whereas all other life forms cannot.
The decisive factor are semiotics - only humans can be psychologically affected by symbols/words; only humans can be psychologically manipulated using words/symbols, i.e., linguistics.

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In the messianic mind Nietzsche's overman acquires an air of salvation.
His coming will save mankind form itself.
The idol is presented as a singular figure, to which philosopher's serve as prophets of his coming.
Super-Human ideal transcending mankind's tangible corporeality. Jesus like, but Christ was wrongly Christened by these "chosen few", failing to to fulfill mankind's destiny, offering salvation to all, whereas this idol will only save the chosen few, i.e., the worthy.

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PostSubject: Re: Messianism Messianism EmptyFri Apr 09, 2021 6:09 am

Self-fulfilling prophesies indicate the participatory effect of individual attitude and often unconscious judgments and choices upon the probability of particular outcomes - multiplied by collective belief in the same prophesy, which simply expresses a desire inspired by an objective.

The participants may accuse an external agency to conceal their own participation, or to sanctify the objective as divine, and inevitable, as if they were its agencies rather than it their own - nihilistic inversion.

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Nietzsche's Übermensch is adopted as a kind of messianic idol transcending existence - a demi-god mediating between man and god in the distant future.
Like his "eternal recurrence" has been understood by these recovering Abrahamics as a justification for immortality - rescuing eternal life in the artistic form of universal circularity, repeating the same into eternity, implying that to "live the good life" is paradise and "living a bad life" is an eternity in hell.
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Which is a quaint example of circular reasoning. the image mirroring modern cosmological models of an expanding universe from an unknown point in space/time, leaving the essence of "god" open to speculation.
Those who idolize Nietzsche as their replacement Jesus, or as a prophet of divinity for a immanent Messiah, also replace Abraham's one-god with the symbolic perfection of a circle, or with the concept of a one-inversion, i.e., a universe, where the one-god's omnipotence and omniscience, i.e., absoluteness, is replaced by the scientific term "order", to which "chaos" represents the concept of satanic evil, who they are convinced does not exist.
Thusly, god's perfection remains unblemished.
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ΧΑΟΣ denied relevance.  The "greatest trick man pulled was to linguistically convince himself that chaos does not exist".
All is god; god is all - all is order; order is all - the totalitarianism of absolute order.
A cosmic slave does not want to 'escape" the comforting order of  its master, because what lies outside is more terrifying, viz., an uncertain, unpredictable, indifferent world.
Alexandrianism. Man will attain divinity; man will become omnipotent/omniscient - the universe is entirely and completely knowable because it is rational.
God's Commandments replaced by Nature's Laws, both delivered through the mediation of humans and their priestly class.
Herd psychology on a cosmic scale - all is herd; herd is all: humanity is world; world is humanity.

What of Nietzsche's "Will to Power"?
Who is "willing power".
For deniers of free-will, certainly not they.
What of Stiner's "Ego and its own"?
What "ego" - whose ego?
Certainly not theirs.
There is no selfishness because there is no self; there is only selflessness incorporated in a universal self - which is another way of saying "thy will be done" or "man is made in god's image".
All judgments all choices are expressions of divinity, which is another way of saying "all is subjective" or "there is no wrong".
Abrahamics had to rescue free-will to weaponize it, so they construct a narrative where, seemingly, man is tricked, or seduced, or given an opportunity to prove his submission, just as Abraham was tested.
Postmodern recovering Abrahamics want to do away with this ruse. They want to unequivocally surrender to divine fate, without guilt or shame.
Cynicism is the consequence.
Nietzsche's "yay saying" is understood as an acceptance of fate, of divine authority.
What is left but to laugh or cry, and there is no choice in that either.
Tragic/Comedy of existence. The blessed laugh at the absurdity of existence.
Those who have not experienced god's grace, divine favour, are left to cry and complain about their unjust fate.

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There is, in fact, no singular Übermensch, but a multiplicity of probabilities.
Just as man overcame his ancestor - along with other primates who share the same origins - so will man be overcome.
This is not even a question.
Overcoming is part of evolution.
But man has an additional component - body and mind - genes and memes.
Therefore, transvaluation is also inevitable because when man is overcome so will his values - values being the product of triangulation, in relation to an ideal, an objective.
When homo sapiens are overcome - transcended - so will their memetic ideals and objectives, and with them his evaluations will have to be adjusted, i.e., transvaluated - just as the organism man and chimpanzee was transcended, along with its methods of judging and choosing, so too will man be transcended, and along with him his standards of judging existence and choosing objectively what was subjectively entangled by corruptive existential interests and egotistical vanities. He will transcend the necessity of absolutist binary entrapments - and nihilistic defensiveness; going "beyond good & evil" implies transcending dualistic absolutes and the body's binding binaries.

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Man "shall be overcome", it is inevitable - it is occurring.
Natural selection, via social selection, is producing the next step.
To "set a goal" - to establish a guiding ideal.
This is also inevitable - all cultures have their own guiding ideal, determining their highest man; their Übermensch.
Christianity has its own, in Jesus. Their "transcending of man", and transvaluation of pre-existing values.
"Highest hope" refers to this projected ideal - the guiding objective.
Every meme guiding genetics in accordance with human hopes.
There's nothing to "teach", other than the highest of all "ideal".

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Peterson’s idea of “individualism” is rooted in social conformity, dressed up in ‘heroic’ pseudo-philosophical garb. Charlatanism. Like many impetuous minds, he was smitten with Nietzsche’s romanticism of the “free spirit”, the “Overman”, being seduced by the insights of self-overcoming which he corrupted into “self-help”; he could not understand Nietzsche rationally, beneath the mellifluous impact, and see the costs and suffering implied in his message of self-overcoming, which meant for Nietzsche, a radical rejection of society and “Man” as he is determined by it, enduring the cost of loneliness, a spiritualist elitism. Peterson is also feminine, womanly, an emotional git, concerned with how to succeed in society, in institutions, and how to be socially accepted, which is why he is a Christian, the form of individualism that is cosmopolitan, inclusive and common. It has to do with Leftist and modern psychology as well: constructing an ‘independent’ identity, using collective artificial group-think constructs.
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"Fourth insult".
Memes usurp genes - the "selfish gene" is overcome by the "selfish meme". Blood is replaced by ideology.
Collectives impose their will upon the individual, to the extent that the individual negates itself identifying with the collective, via an ideology, the collective's consciousness.

The individual feels relief - pleasure - in this negation of individuality; it is absolved of guilt, shame, responsibility, it is not at fault. Responsibility is collectivized, in modernism/postmodernism, as are resources in a theoretical Marxist socioeconomic system. Man has no agency - free-will - and so evades accountability, but is immersed in a collective order - or universal order.
Nihilism being a defensive reaction to emerging self-consciousness experiences this as a desired concealment of self within a multitude - the individual vanishes within the group of uniform in its thinking, i.e., judging, convictions etc., whereas appearances are reduces to superficial, illusory, social constructs, e.g., race, gender.
Morality is the collective's will. This is how they define "will", e.g., will to life, will to power.
With no one-god - absolute authority - who's "will be done..." the collective, i.e., humanity, is the will, and this collectivized will is determined by social power.
This is straight out of Abrahamism.

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The difference between Peterson and postmoderns is that Peterson, true to Abrahamism, still accepts the body, when iut comes to sex/gender, but rejects race, ethnicity etc. adopting the soul concept trapped in a physical form made in the image of the divine....whereas postmoderns wokeness denounces everything physical and adopts the belief in ideology - all is ideological, including the physical, but only when it comes to humans because man has logos, the ability to speak and to reject/negate.
Ironically Peterson accepts free-will - I think - in accordance with Biblical Scripture to explain evil, whereas postmoderns - most anyway - reject free-will, implying a divine will at work, which they call universe, determinism, or simply natural order.

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Look at the exchanges between them. Their 'genius', is too grand for them to exert any serious effort, they are casually brilliant, laid-back and nonchalant about having discovered the singularity of existence. I mean, it wasn't a big deal, just something they did in their spare time, you know. Brilliant retorts and answers just come to them effortlessly, not everyone can be a God afterall. They have discovered the singularity of existence, effortlessly, and talk about it as if its common knowledge that should be easily understood and known by all.

These two Gods; one is a narcissistic insane alcoholic binge drug user, and the other a schizophrenic time traveler who no doubt is unemployed, cant function in society, and is being cared for by a relative like a disabled retard.



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Messianism must maintain its objectives as loose as possible, so that no matter what transpires and in what sequence they can always claim to be on-track.
It employs obscurantism, refusing to clarify the terms it uses, or to tie them down to a solid foundation.
Their vague mysticism acts like a smokescreen, blurring shapes, confusing the eye; esotericism places the evidence in the subjective and its needs and desires, vulnerable to emotional corruptions, starting with fear.



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Absolutist thinking is what produces Messianism, for even if there is no universal, absolute, truth, then one must be created and imposed, and if there is no positive absolute then the negative is absolute.


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Not necessarily predictive, prophesy can act as programming, outlining required events and consequences for a specific objective to be realized.

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Abrahamic messianism is dangerous.
A superstition that is convinced that its dominion is part of universal intent - that it has ben fated, and prophesied, that they will rule the world, or "heal the world", because they've been "chosen" - that it is "written in the stars" - meaning they read the mind of god, they can read universal order and intent....
These zealots, these fanatics do not believe in natural cycles, but in absolute beginnings and ends....conveniently placing themselves as central agencies in universal events...
Humanity = Cosmos; Cosmos = Humanity...and they the shepherds, the moral elites, the lead role in a universal play...

Rejecting free-will is part of concealing their agency - retaining innocence and implying that their dominion, what they prophesied and are actively participating in its creation is not of their volition....no, it is fated, inevitable, god's will?....universal order...
See, it's not them, their will, it's god's will, or it's universal order....it's inevitable.

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Nothing more insane and fanatical than a self-righteous twit that has convinced himself that he's not producing all this diseased crap but he is but a minion, a means through which a divine agency is acting....
So, this transexual insanity is not the product of diseased human brains but....natural order.....nature made it.....nature produced it, its natural.....
See?
Men have no agency....all this is part of some cosmic plan.
It's not they, its....the universe, its nature, its god....whatever name you want to give to the absolute.
Transsexuality isn't a byproduct of human intervention upon natural processes - like culling - but it is nature creating what is inevitable....
They replace the name of the absolute, but never stop worshipping it....
Absolute one....absolute nil.....nature, order......god....universe....love....value.....hting.....singularity....whatever name you want to give it doesn't matter when it only exists in the mind and refers to an indivisible, immutable, singularity, with its laws, instead of moral commandments......its determining order instead of divine will....

God of the Testaments still lives .....
Matthew 18:20 wrote:
For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.
...ideology, abstraction existing in their collective minds as idea, cocnept....represented by words/symbols....
Only when two, three of you gather in "my name" - whatever name they give to the same absolute - "there I am", because without minds the idea vanishes....it doesn't exist.
Why "two or three gather" and not one....
Because this idea requires validation in other minds, since it doesn't exist outside minds.....because it only exists in collectives....because if only one mind believes in this crap it is delusional and insane, but if another shares in the delusion then it is legitimized....
This is why desperate degenerates believe in "truths" that depend on collectives; depend on popularity; depend on validation by other minds....having no other objective standard to validate their convictions; all they have is inter-subjective mass psychosis.
You validate my delusions and I will reciprocate and validate your delusions...Golden Rule...

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Messianism will never allow you to believe and live as you will.
It is globalizing, universalizing....it tolerates no alternatives - no other gods, no other systems, cultures, beliefs, morals.

Then, if you turn on them they will accuse you of authoritarianism, Nazism, fascism...
They are always the 'victims of envy, or 'hatred' or 'injustices'.
They never do anything to provoke these agressive reactions.
Their efforts are always benevolent, good intentioned...innocent.

Gnosticism, Judaism/Kabbalism, Christianity, Marxism, Americanism, Postmodernism, Wokism...
All claim the pinnacle of righteousness.
All others are beneath them.

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