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PostSubject: slavery slavery EmptyWed Feb 17, 2021 4:06 am

I believe slavery can be reduced to :
people being forced to do things that they naturally don't want to do.

Life itself can sometimes be slavery.

On the other hand, freedom can be reduced to :
Doing what you want to do.

I theorize
that freedoms are more good than slavery.
The end result is more healthy,
when people are free as opposed to being slaves.

Slavery in its many forms,
is common in history.
So common, that i feel the need to speak out against it.
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PostSubject: Re: slavery slavery EmptyWed Feb 17, 2021 7:09 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]may have something to do with slavery. An individual will, or a collective will, usurped by an external agency.

Exploitation, in the Marxist sense, ought to be a part of our definition of "slavery" - wage slavery for example is a inconspicuous from of slavery.
Slavery can be described as an organism's efforts being exploited so that the outcome - product - cannot be entirely enjoyed by the one who expended energies - did the work.
Slavery is a term we use to describe an extreme degree of exploitation, and the usurping of an individual's will by an external will. degree is crucial because we all sacrifice a portion of our work and we all submit a part of our will to ensure reciprocity or to gain access to the advantages of synergy.
Specialization, for example, is a form of surrendering independence, or sacrificing independence, to cultivate focus, multiplying efficiency and effectiveness.

I say degree is crucial because every individual has a different tolerance level - based on their different constitutions and organ hierarchies - personality.
Those who have become institutionalized are addicted to dependence, so they've habituated to greater degrees of exploitation and domination - may even enjoy it.
Females like to be sexually dominated, so here we have a form of emasculation - feminization of man.

Nihilists - both secular and religious - are individuals attracted to the dominance of an external agency - expressing the dominance of their femininity.

Freedom, in the absolute, is impossible. Again all we can speak of is degree of independence.
Just as 'power' does not indicate omnipotence, and 'genius' does not mean 'omniscience'.
Freedom/Slavery are the same concept approached from a different direction.
If you approach it from the negative then it measures slavery; if you approach it form the positive then it measures independence.
Both in relation to the individuals will and his tolerance levels, and his aggregate energies.
For instance, an individual with higher aggregate energies will tolerate larger degrees of exploitation, in comparison to an individual with lower aggregate energies.

Willful control is the basis of slavery: when an individuals will is usurped by an external agency, either via coercion, or seduction.
Parasitism is a form of enslavement.
So, when a mind's understanding and use of language has been corrupted, warped, he is a slave and he may not even know it.

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PostSubject: Re: slavery slavery EmptyWed Feb 17, 2021 7:15 am

If and when an organism's will has been dominated, either with a threat or a promise that will never be realized - an unrealistic reward - its aggregate energies can be exploited for the duration of its lifetime.
Coercion is less efficient.
Seduction is more effective, essentially making the slave his own enslaver.
For example, if you convince a mind that 'freedom' is impossible - non-existent - because absolute independence is impossible then you have a slave that can never even think of escaping its enslavement.
It would be like convincing a mind that power is impossible because omnipotence is so, maintaining it in a state of powerlessness.

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PostSubject: Re: slavery slavery EmptyWed Feb 17, 2021 8:11 am

The two approaches - from the negative or from the positive - correspond to "freedom from" (negative) or "freedom to" (positive).
Salve morality - desperate degenerates - always dream of "freedom from", e.g., freedom from the body, the corporeal, the physical, the tangible; freedom from the past, from inheritance, from the determined; freedom from natural order, from natural identifiers, from the sum of all past nurturing; freedom from existence, from need, from suffering, from mortality; freedom from causality, from interactivity, from other; freedom from earthly authorities, from mediators, teachers, leaders, fathers/mothers, state/church; freedom from responsibility, accountability, shame, guilt, collective judgements; freedom from being perceived, from being known, from being exposed, from objectivity etc.

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PostSubject: Re: slavery slavery EmptyWed Feb 17, 2021 6:22 pm

It's useful to contrast the ability of one to actualize his will and the ability of one to authentically know his will.


The ability to actualize one's will refers to one's strength as measured relative to external opposition, which includes the unhospitable parts of nature and others overtly trying to exploit him, among other things.


Authentic self-knowledge can be developed best by one largely uncorrupted by things like miseducation, irrational responses to fear, and resentment, which is an irrational response to anger.

Self-knowledge allows to one to create a higher level will largely based on his innate will.
The innate will is a simplification of the aggregate, often competing, wills within a person.
To the extent the self-knowledge is authentic - uncorrupted, one's higher level will reflects the evolution of innate potentials that actualized in one's ancestors as they obtained self-knowledge.

Following from that one can then explicate his will in terms of stated goals regarding himself and his environment. These stated goals, in themselves, can be called his will.

So in terms of will there can be said to be three levels, the basic innate will, the innate potential to will, as only developed through self-knowledge, and the stated, or explicated, will. These levels are somewhat arbitrary and have no clear boundaries between them, but are useful for explaining this subject.


As well as self-knowledge being needed to know one's innate will and develop higher level will, self-knowledge is an aspect of oneself that allows one to gain power to actualize his innate will. This relates to the knowledge of one's strengths and weaknesses. It also helps one guard himself against later internal and external corruption of his will.

Stated earlier were the things which can inhibit the development of one's authentic will. They include miseducation from others and self-created delusions. These delusions originate from an inability to strong emotions from manifesting into things like irrational fear and resentment. How much the innate propensity to form delusions is based on harsh circumstances and how much is based on miseducation from others, itself, is beyond this post.


One can be a slave because one's will was subverted through miseducation by others and others' effort to make one form his own delusions. This involves the highest level of consciousness, that which is involved with the use of language, being made to misuse reason. One misunderstands himself and so forms a highest level will which doesn't reflect either level of his innate will.

One can also be a slave because the actualization of his will was largely inhibited by others for their purposes.

These two ways of being a slave aren't necessarily independent. One can have the necessary conditions to be a slave based on some combination of the two. But, to better explain the two types of slaves consider two extremes.

The first extreme is one who knows himself very well and so has a highly developed authentic will, but is used like an ox on a farm for other's gain. He has a clear sense of identity, and doesn't feel resentment towards his slavers, only disdain.

The other extreme is one who has much money and property to his name and positions of government and corporate office, but has nearly no self-knowledge. He has had miseducation from others, and delusions, create a highest level will distant from his innate wills. He's then used as a puppet by people, for their own purposes, whose goals are not inline with his innate wills.

Dan~~ wrote:
Slavery in its many forms,
is common in history.
So common, that i feel the need to speak out against it.

How common it is among the species might not be the best reason to speak against it. Rather as it's something you'd not wish for those you value, you might try to help them overcome or avoid slavery as much as possible.
Perhaps this is basically what you had in mind anyway.
You don't want anyone to be treated like an ox, and that is understandable, but there's not much you can do about  it. As for the more mental form of slavery, you might wonder if it might actually be in your advantage that some continue to have a will subverted by other people so long as you're not taking part in the process of subverting wills.
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PostSubject: Re: slavery slavery EmptyThu Feb 18, 2021 2:59 am

Slavery, like other technologies, is a way of abstracting one's will, eventually becoming dependent on it. It is a sign of a man who has lost the conviction to kill and live through his own being. The second a man orders another to work or kill on his behalf, is the moment he has died.

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