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a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system. It may be an aspect of chronic personality disorder, of drug abuse, or of a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which the person loses touch with reality.

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is this degenerate? really cant tell

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I can't tell either.

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a distinction between degeneracy which is personal, and decadence which is ecological

understanding past ecologies in an attempt to mold the direction of a future one is extremely hard
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Desperate Degenerates contra Village Idiots

One of the main problems in conducting philosophical discourse in modernity, or any discourse for that matter, is the rampant need in inferior spirits, to overcome their self-marginalization and the lack of self-validation they cannot give themselves. Any interaction, or adversity, or objectionable obstacle that is faced from others, no matter how negative or trivial, they will construe as a validation of their worth. Because they cannot deal with their weaknesses because they have never achieved any strength, they will create a value system based on affects and reactions they can elicit from others. Every attention paid to them, is a victory for them that they are ‘effective’. Being effective is their method of compensating. Garnering responses and attention are proof that they matter and even so, that they are superior. Like a fly who cries out in triumph and glory when a hand swishes it away; the reaction proving to them that they are relevant and ‘effective’. They need not actually say anything or accomplish anything to feel victorious once they have made you look at them and take notice of them enough to feel a sense of self-value. They will use the natural impulses of simple social interaction or interest as a means to feel victorious. Every disagreement, earnest debate exchange, attention, is a victory for them and proof of their power, and depending on how desperate and inferior they are, they will even invert it to mean that the other is ‘obsessed’ with them because they are really superior, which is why they keep paying attention to them. A whole identity will emerge based on an absolution of self by a default position of finding victory in being relevant.

Or, another way to put it:

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"It's official", the Greek tag writes.

Here we see that fear is not a factor but disgust is.
Not "homophobia", "xenophobia" etc., but disgust....low tolerance for the toxic, the malodourous...the dirty...the different...
Preference for what is "same" - what reminds self of itself, what is clean, harmonious....

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Again:

A desperate degenerate will vehemently refuse to connect words with actions - noumena with phenomena, i.e., will refuse to bring any concept "down to earth", ergo he will refuse to define the terms in ways that refer to experienced reality, but prefers to maintain it all in an abstract form where he can claim that it is all "subjective".

So concepts like male/female, sex, morality, and free-will, will remain ideological, because only ideologically does the desperate degenerate feel confident that he has an advantage....as if ideology can help him escape reality, even if he ignores or denies or forgets... 
So, free-will, will never be connected with the action of "choice", founded on subjective judgments, but will remain a universal construct, where an external agency can be implied, if not outright declared, as being at work, so as to completely dismiss the actions of real living individuals, making choices and judgments calls.

Hypocrisy....
Arguing in "bad faith".
Best to not engage such pathetic creatures...its only utility is as an exercise in patience.
Modern/Postmodern desperate degenerates have only now begun to realise the vacuousness of nihilistic metaphysics, but have mistakenly assumed that all metaphysics is similarly void of substance, i.e., detached from reality.
Modern/Postmodern philosophy is, indeed, useless and manipulative nonsense, referring to some Platonic idealistic realm in some netherworld - called "esoteric" or "abstract" or "complex" to excuse tis underlying motive and lack of talent - similar to how postmodern surreal abstract nonsensical fArt sells itself to the myriads of gullible imbeciles, using simple mind-games.

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Memes that contradict genetics are those that produce psychosis....
Over time the infected realizes that his beliefs are useless, impotent, void of all content...and instead of finding the cause in his own convictions he blames the world, via others, feeling the "innocent victim" not of his upbringing and those who force fed him delusions but of the world and of particular individuals who speak of the world as it is.
these sources of natural order, contradicting the beliefs he was raised on, become demonic representations of evil; proxies of the world as it is and not of the world as it "ought to be" or was taught to him as the "true world" concealed underneath the apparent world.
Such minds cannot blame their own parents nor even themselves but must find someone other to accuse and to blame, unloading the shame upon them.
this Unloading is what is "purifying", where they find their lost innocence....worthy of eternal salvation.

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The mediocre masses need some simple absolutist, final, answer to help them cope and carry on with their daily hedonistic pursuits.
They need a simple metaphysics, with an easy to follow narrative.
Without it they go insane, as they are currently, seduced by any charlatan who is renaming old religious allegories to resell them to a new batch of mediocrity, or who simply secularize their metaphors, stripping them of - what they consider - infantile anthropomorphosism, and scietific-technological jargon.
I gave my own short list of this New age, Marxist jargon here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

All the old tropes are represented, only they've been rebaptized and given new "scientific" names, and the same conclusions are reached, like some kind of salvation myth, unburdening mediocrity from its personal responsibilities.
The Biblical story of Adam & eve is repeated using new terminologies, but the conclusion is the same - mediocrity finds self-abengating salvation, self-cleasing itself from all culpability - renamed "innocence" - in an external will - renamed an absolute singular order, or universe-. Divine creative will is now deterministic causality which the mediocre have no part in, but must only accept and endure. Even the binaries of good versus evil have been repackaged as mathematical abstractions, alluding to a "progress" from superstition towards scientism, with its own idolatry and icon worship of mediating authority, no longer associated with the priestly class.

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The mediocre masses can only understand ideas when they are delivered through the voice of an idol - an icon.
Idolatry lives in the form of worshipping celebrity, and those who have become popular, for one reason or another.
Preferably the worshipped idol ought to be dead - his presence would be intolerable to the mediocre masses, if not contradictory, because the mediocre subjectivize everything they come across, bringing it down to their level, or integrating it into their pre-existing motives, which is most-often basic survival and maintaining their well-being, at the expense of integrity and any approach toward truth, i.e., clarity, honesty, understanding, objectivity; feeling good, i.e., happy, and surviving as long as possible, is all they truly care for, identifying them as distinctly unsuited for philosophy.  

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Self-definitions is integrate to subjectivity; supporting others in their self-identifications, so as to guarantee their reciprocity, is foundational to inter-subjectivity. Reality has nothing to do with it. What matters is integration into a mutually supportive community - Golden Rule.
Self-definitions is what underlies the current "identity crisis".


Self-definitions are a form of self-immolaiton - a burning away of the undesired, evil, body, to self-cleanse through purifying fire.
What is released is the "true spirit" in the form of heat, dissipating in the atmosphere, i.e., released from the body's restricting bounds.
Individuals usually, and shamelessly, describe themselves with the positive words, leaving the negative ones for others; unloading the negative upon another, or upon an external agency.


Mind/Body dissonance where actions, via choices, are contradicted by convictions, via words.
Choice as an act of revelation of motive.

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These idols are given more regard especially when they are more feminine, emotional and discursive in their thinking like he is. The herd identifies with impulses, feelings, and so a form of reasoning that centers around their needs and desires, charms them more than does reasoning which is stoical, ascetic, paternal and more unforgiving of mistakes. Hence, the generation of them attracted to Nietzsche, the master of spiritual catharsis.

Notice that they always love to throw in a reminder of the "brutality of the world and nature" to give them that veneer of realism to be considered genuine and as 'one of the people', I.e herd ethics. They recognize an 'important truth' thus, they are really in touch with the world.
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For weak-minds, life will always and immediately be thought of as a "problem" rather than a challenge. Something that must be 'fixed', resolved, rather than overcome and faced.
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The clever tactic of successfully masquerading and selling their image as "special" or "unique" among these types, is to appear humble. This is key. Humbleness is an important facade to conceal inferiority. It acts as a moral shield, deflecting any attempts to expose them or attack them, because they have assented to a sentiment of a "flawed self". Hollywood degenerates/celebrities do this constantly.


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The more you try to seem unique the more common you are.
Even individuality - American style - is part of a trend.
I compare it to the proverbial zombie - each is an independent brain-dead automaton, governed by its subjective hungers - needs/desires - and this is exactly what makes them act in unison, like a mob.

Those who deny human nature are those who can be manipulated and exploited using human nature.
Those who want to be listened to are those with the least to say.
Those who are seduced by power are those who feel and are the most powerless.

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Many prefer to only be surrounded by creation, enjoying the sensation of it to then begin to think of themselves as the ones who created.
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Whatever word/symbol they choose to use, desperate degenerates must preserve the one-god - the singularity, the absolute, as an all-enmcomassing idea/ideal that rescues them from themselves, and the world that made them possible.
It is the reason why they refuse to define the terms they are using, by anchoring them to an observable, independently verifiable, phenomenon.
They go through the motions of reasoning but refuse to follow through towards what will expose them to their own underlying motives, founded on fear.
Fear is the term they use to accuse and to distinguish their foes, because fear is the mother of all emotions, and emotion is their only standard for judging all and everything.

Like I've said....the one-god of Abraham did not die, he was baptized and was reborn as an abstraction, roaming the world as a sign....a word..... logos.

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The declared "death of the one-god" is devastating to the psyche of a desperate degenerate. It is at the root of their desperation seeking relief in degeneracy, as if it were part of a divine plan.
"Recovering Abrahamics" cannot cope without some form of institutionalized reliable totalitarian regimentation.
They haven't gone through the "rites of passage" necessitating a gradual transcending and return to the "overcomed," parental figure with new, more appreciative eyes.
The movement I describe is from infantile subjectivity towards the sobering lucidity of mature objectivity - maturation proceeding from first person to second and then to third persona perspectives, exposing him to new sources of anxiety.

Most turn to secular version of what I've defined as the "price of self-awareness" often necessitating the defensiveness of nihilistic ideologies.

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If "eternal recurrence" is not a Nieatzchean psychological test for recovering Abrahamics then it is anti-Hellenic - if in Hellenism we recognize an Indo-European spiritual tradition that includes Hinduism.
Hinduism does speak of cycles - so this part is not Nietzsche's original insight, as he found it through Schopenhauer - but it does not speak of an eternal return of the same, as some have understood the Nieatzchean psychological test.
There is no return of the same.
There is a repetition of distinct cycles but not of the same existence, the same life, the same events, because Karma is what they propose as the by-product of free-will. Karma that carries forth from cycle to cycle.

If all is determined and absolutely ordered, then repetition is, indeed, of the same - a way of rescuing immortality from the clutches of reason.
In Hinduism, and Buddhism, the process ends in Nirvana - an escape from eternal rebirth - a highly nihilistic goal if not for its description as a state of non-being being, that leaves much to the imagination - and depending on what version of Hinduism you follow nirvana may mean a state of being that has transcended Karma, or transcending the experience of existence as need/suffering; a state of uninvolved involvement, describing the highest form of subjectivity: objectivity, a third-person perspective in which even oneself is but an-otherness.  
Buddhism being to Hinduism what Abrahamism is to Hellenism, describes the "end" as an "emptiness" - absolute void - nothingness which is not nothing - what I describe as absolute chaos, ΧΑΟΣ.

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Note to self: stop playing with pups, because One can catch fleas.. the fleas being their immature responses thoughts and feelings, that cannot ascertain their odd behaviour, but only selectively see the Other’s puzzled responses to their confused and erratic offerings and then not have the capacity to take those puzzled responses well.  

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Contrary to common knowledge, crazy is contagious.

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Crazy is contagious.
..it’s seeming that way ..a never-ending chain, of one, pulling the next one down with them, into the land of cray.

Wow! the toxic world of food and vax has done a very good job, in impairing the sanity of the global masses. Only the strong-of-mind can survive the lure of the pull, down.. into the world of the cray.

Cray, has become the new normal for the newer generations.. because they don’t seem to actually know what normal really is, and deem and ascribe the Other with all manner of misplaced characteristics in an effort to make sense of their toxin-veiled world.
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I've been sayin' so for years, only I have focused on toxic ideas, that are consumed by the mediocre masses - fast food of the mind.
They call it "comfort food", I call it "nihilism".

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Cray, has become the new normal for the newer generations.. because they don’t seem to actually know what normal really is, and deem and ascribe the Other with all manner of misplaced characteristics in an effort to make sense of their toxin-veiled world.
Hypermasculinity works along the same lines. It is one of the side-effects.
Hyperbole, as Hybris against the gods.

Lack of experience with the real allows the mind to be seduced by the ideal.
Detaching words from their original place detaches the mind from reality - turning inward - solipsism called subjectivity - or into inter-subjective collectives - replacing the external with the communal; madness of the masses, herd psychology.

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Projection of negativity is a form of self-cleansing - salvation myth.
They absolve themselves of all responsibility, all negative attributes, to be reborn as pure divine spirits, living in ideal worlds, looking for ideal people, like themselves.
It's the embodiment of the Jesus myth.

Other becomes the mirror of their insanity - their detachment form reality; the one to accuse and burn in effigy.
they unload the worse things about themselves, to relieve themselves of culpability. They can use an-other to blame because they do not dare find blame directly in themselves.
If not god, then the universe, or the accursed other who remains forever incomprehensible because they've detached from reality and have no memories to find understanding through.
Repeating the same mistakes, because they can do no wrong, in the same ways, expecting a different outcome - that is insanity. They take no responsibility for the consequences of their actions, choices, judgments, so all they have is an evil other to accuse for their failures.

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Simple, and easily forgotten or dismissed, psychological truism:
That which flatters and promises advantages - no matter how absurd - is more readily believed than that which insults - no matter how rational it is.

Skepticism is softened or hardened according to the perceived advantages/disadvantages.

Charlatans know this, and use it to their own advantage, constructing "positive" philosophies by implying flattering, empowering benefits, even if entirely nonsensical.
Their target audience finds its doubts being overcome by the pleasure principle - a feminine softening of resistance to permit penetration - offering consent to be further stimulated.
In this case genetic impregnation is replaced by memetic fertilization - what these nihilists call ideological or spiritual "enlightenment" or "empowerment".
Similar to the game of sexual seduction involves pretences and mounds of linguistic fertilizer - flirting, as Trivers said, is a form of negotiation.



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I've been sayin' so for years, only I have focused on toxic ideas, that are consumed by the mediocre masses - fast food of the mind.
They call it "comfort food", I call it "nihilism".
Fast food of the mind, to go with the fast food that they want to flood our bodies with.. to what end? despair, anxiety, woe, and finally ultimately an untimely demise.

..agree, with your subsequent posts, on all counts.. spot on.. every word of it. Irrational idealism.. the new malaise, where all the cool kids are at.. as long as we all go along with the perpetuated lies.
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Fast food of the mind, to go with the fast food that they want to flood our bodies with.. to what end? despair, anxiety, woe, and finally ultimately an untimely demise.
Cultivating weakness in an other ensure power in relation to them.
If, and when, power is only attainable via another - as it is with these charlatans and nihilists - then the other's feebleness increases the probability of our own empowerment.
This is why words, detached from reality, liberate minds form the only source of empowerment - reality; ensuring their future weakness.

By detaching minds from reality you guarantee that they will never independently find what they need/desire, so you increase their dependence on the charlatans word-salads, promising them all kinds of extraordinary, supernatural power, happiness, pleasure etc.
The knowledge/understanding does not liberate minds form a mediator, it makes them increasingly dependent.
You know the old proverb, attributed to many sources...
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Give a Man a Fish, and You Feed Him for a Day. Teach a Man To Fish, and You Feed Him for a Lifetime
Nihilism doesn't want to teach men to fish - all is nil, meaningless, illusory - there are no fish, no lakes to fish in and no need, no hunger for them; all is logos; all is semiotics, theoretical, ideological - all is an idea. Their fish and lakes, and fishing, are all metaphorical, theoretical, occult, obscure narratives, meant to maintain human dependence on gurus and mentors or icons/idols - priests, messianic Pharisees; all is meant to disempower while promising omnipotence, or some form of extraordinary, supernatural, power, if only you accept, on faith, their narratives.
They cultivate slaves - victims - accosted by evil, devils, Satan worshippers, now renamed Nazis, bigots, fascists, homophobes, misogynists etc.

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