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Kvasir wrote:
For the freak, there is no capacity for balance. This is why the only existentialist philosopher he is attracted to is Samuel Beckett, that intellectual decrepit who wrote that shit-stain of a play "Waiting for Godot", which is an erotic tribute to the beauty of nihilism. Beckett is a self-destructive and degenerate extreme mind, who offers no alternatives to nihilism, no other choice, no other possibility for truth or beauty or values, and so this suits the Iamafreak.

Paglia, Camille wrote:
Rousseau's hypothesis of a benevolent nature and of humanity deformed by society eventually led to the collapse of confidence
of the Age of Anxiety, typified by T. S. Eliot's The Waste Land and Samuel Beckett's Waiting for Godot. Twentieth-century
history, with its nightmare-cycle of war, poverty, and organized sadism, shocked the liberal sensibility into self-reflexive postures of chic despair. In America, Rousseauism has turned Freud's conflict-based psychoanalysis into weepy hand-holding. Contemporary
liberalism is untruthful about cosmic realities.
Therapy, defining anger and hostility in merely personal terms, seeks to cure what was never a problem before Rousseau.


Paglia, Camille wrote:
Hormones are our link to pagan nature.

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Is nature unjust?
In relation to human interests and motives, yes.
Is nature brutal?
Yes.
Is nature indifferent to pain and suffering?
Yes.
Does a knowledge and understanding of nature lead to power?
Only if it is accurate and only if it is applied.
Is nature good or is it evil?
Neither -Beyond Good & Evil- nature simply is, and is a often used as a synonym for world, cosmos.
Does nature select; does nature have a preference, a motive?
No, individuals select - have preferences and motives - within natural order.
Is nature absolutely ordered?
No, it is also chaotic, necessitating consciousness - judgement and choice - to aid life to adapt/adjust to novelty.

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A psychological profile of IamtheILPvillageidiot

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The issue is there's no cost to these mutations.
The herd must protect them, if they do not overly disrupt its cohesion.
At least Abrahamic based groups must remain true to their own dogma and attempt to integrate everyone.
Such inherited mutations are tolerated if they remain within the group's idealized range.
Group size determining the range and the tolerance levels, viz., how much genetic unfitness (negative mutations) the group can absorb without losing cohesion.

We call "degeneracy" the state when the group is inundated by these unfit mutations, unable to absorb and distribute their negative impact.
This state is the final stage.
Culling is nature's way of eliminating this mutation load; wars are the social equivalent.

But what happens in a nuclear age?
Tolerance must increase to a breaking point until the group/system implodes.
Drugs & alcohol, porn, movies, all forms of entertainment (fArt), incarceration, hedonism, is an additional way these mutations and their libidinal energies, can be sublimated, redirected towards harmless diversions, and suppressed.

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Ecmandu is a an example unfit of genes producing an individual unable to endure the truth about the world.
In his case it has to do with the injustices of natural selection and the female's role in the selection process.
His ideal is a product of this injustice - his trauma when he realized he cannot get what he desires, while others can get it but cannot appreciate it as he would.

Mind/Body = spirit (from the vantage point of mind) or soul (from the vantage point of body) is a term used to represent this mind/body synthesis.
Eventually, nihilism, converts it to a pure abstraction; a word with no referent, and inverts the relationship of word with the experienced mind(brain)/body.

Mind/Body potentials are inherited....and determined by which parts are inherited from either parent and how they combine and interact with the environment.
Fragility is a form of weakness, i.e., unfitness. When such an individual comes in contact with any degree of reality above its tolerance levels it may break.
If there's a social system to shelter it from the worst, this broken spirit/soul turns inward to get away from a world it cannot endure - some turn to drugs, or some other kind of coping method, or become suicidal.
Since the mind is the organ that has evolved to come up with ways to survive, it finds a fantasy it can immerse itself within, while still maintaining a tenuous connection with reality - a degree determined by its tolerance, or psychological strength.

On ILP he finds a welcoming group, since most also suffer form the world's "cruelty" and "injustices", though most were not shattered, like he has.
Most of them found the solution as a turning inward before too much damage was done to their psyche.
They refuse to come out...and anyone who reminds them of how the world is, is considered a evil agency, trying to hurt them; or a liar, preferring to exist in a world they find deplorable, intolerable.
This is basically why the objective world is denied and why morality, and concepts like 'god', become their defensive tool/weapon to ward against threats.

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There's only so much reality an individual can bear.
Groups disseminate the burden.

This is why she always appeals to the silent reader:
Note to others...An appeal to share a burden.

Collectives are essential.
The group must share the burden, equally distributing the negative consequences of bad judgments and choices.
So, the superior must be shamed or somehow reduced in their confidence to prepare them for this sharing.
Those who refuse are...stubborn (fanatical) selfish (Rand), fascists (might is right)...objectivists (rational). They must be reduced to humble, Marxist, passive, emotional, subjectivists.

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Bear with me....this is relevant to what iamretarded does....undermining, destroying self-confidence and trust in your owns senses, manipulating psychology to cultivate desperation that will make the spirit more inclined to surrender to degeneracy...she learned this from the neo-matrxists, that became postmodernists, as a natural progression of their nihilistic ideology...
Neo-Marxists pulled away from Soviet Communism - far too nationalistic, tribal, for them.
They became internationalists, adopting a new strategy, i.e., opportunism. Instead of waiting for the mediocre masses, i.e., proletariat, to rise up against their oppressors, their exploiters, they would participate in their institutions to increase their suffering, their poverty, until they were reduced to such a state of decrepitude that they would rise up with nothing to lose....
See, this is the key: nothing left to lose.

This is why the cunt of ILP kept on mentioning Maia's blindness, or keeps undermining language and trust in human judgements; this is why she is against free-will. This is her MO....her postmodern methodology.
The goal is to reduce all trust to the point where the mediocre masses are willing to make any compromise, implying that this is inevitable, part of some divine/cosmic plan.
Reducing options means reducing freedom, until the desperate mind is willing to settle for the insane.

Like a hungry man is willing to eat anything....a thirsty man is willing to drink anything.
This is the goal: decrease options so that a singularity is left, even if it is absolute nothingness.
Decreases options is a measure of power - make the mediocre mases powerless.

Let's give it a personal context so the cunt can understand....because the rest is over her head:
Hate to be cruel but in regards to Maia, the cunt's goal was to remind Maia of her blindness as a way of reminding he of her reduced options; the cunt wants to destroy her confidence, so as to make herself more attractive, as the only option left.
See?

I said this years ago, but nobody listened, except a few on KTS.
Watch the cunt's performance over the years.
The repeating mantra....
All of it undermining confidence in self - she denies self altogether; subvert trust in one's senses - all ought to turn inward, encase themselves in subjectivity because the world is illusory and your senses and judgements untrustworthy; cultivate desperation - world is meaningless and purposeless; undermine language - there is no objective truth, no way to objectively define words; cultivate schizophrenia, insanity - fractured and fragmented - implying mind/body dissonance, viz., my mind tells me one thing, but my heart, my emotions, my intuitions another.

The cunt believes this will increase the mediocre mind's impressionability; its willingness to compromise...sacrificing independence to a collective.
Those with bad judgement and those with good judgement are now equalized.
Mary's inability to evaluate men, or her desire to maintain a promiscuous lifestyle without suffering the consequences, her bad choices based no erroneous judgments, out to be mitigated by a collective, providing for her - free of charge - the technologies to not suffer the severity of the consequences of her poor judgement...
A self-serving motive, because the cunt is really asking this for itself, using Mary as a proxy.
She don't give a shit about this hypothetical dude, John - he's the rational aspect - but is entirely committed to the emotional, and to making Mary's feminine plight less problematic....indirectly asking this for herself.
This is why he must reduce it to a scenario where emotion factors in, and calls generalities "up in the clouds" where emotion is less of a factor, and has no personal context.
She wants to reduce the context to where where it becomes personal.

+++Let's give it a personal context so the cunt can understand....because the rest is over her head:
Hate to be cruel but in regards to Maia, the cunt's goal was to remind Maia of her blindness as a way of reminding he of her reduced options; the cunt wants to destroy her confidence, so as to make herself more attractive, as the only option left.
See?+++

I've never sensed this sort of motivation from Iambiguous, and while we've had our differences, I have to balk at this particular assessment. And if you're living in his head, Satyr, as I'm sure you are, he is equally living in yours, perhaps even more so, if we judge it in pure volume of verbiage. But then, this is clearly something that goes back years, between the two of you.

What I really wanted to pick up on, though, is your use of the term "cruel" with regard to my blindness. My options are not reduced, merely different. If I've managed to convey anything over the years on ILP, I hope it's this. Maybe I've failed, but at least I've tried.
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I've never sensed this sort of motivation from Iambiguous, and while we've had our differences, I have to balk at this particular assessment. And if you're living in his head, Satyr, as I'm sure you are, he is equally living in yours, perhaps even more so, if we judge it in pure volume of verbiage. But then, this is clearly something that goes back years, between the two of you.
Ha!!
It's hard to ignore a retard that attempted to take over your home by squatting in it.
But the evictions notice is in the mail.

Don't know if you noticed but the thread creator - none other than gib - made you, I and the retard the topic....so to go off-topic would break KTS rules. Please look into how many threads are about the retard, or you, on this forum, versus the number of threads about Satyr, on ILP.
If you don't wish to discuss the retard, yourself, or moi, then don't post in this thread.

Well, if you didn't pick up on it....then it didn't happen.
It's all subjective, no?

In all things, nature selects....not in accordance to the subject, but to her uncompromising objective rules.
Nature is so authoritarian and fascistic, and those who love and speak on her behalf are often accused of being possessed by her, or of channelling her inhumane "vices".

Maia wrote:
What I really wanted to pick up on, though, is your use of the term "cruel" with regard to my blindness. My options are not reduced, merely different. If I've managed to convey anything over the years on ILP, I hope it's this. Maybe I've failed, but at least I've tried.
Yes, different.
Now try to "see" yourself from the retard's point of view.
Stop taking things personally and admit that anything that makes an individual less than fit, less than ideal, is a deficiency.
An ugly woman, a short man, a fat man, a crippled woman, a bald man, a woman with a lazy eye....etc.... are part of the sexual dynamic.

Undermining is her game, whether you see it or not.
She's been trying to undermine me, this forum...language....reality....objectivity....and now that she reduced ILP to another shithole, she's moved on to do the same to another forum.

But...let's not talk about her.
What about you, or does that come across as flirty?

One last thing...
You do know who started this thread and what it's topic is, right?
Should I post outside its premises to prove that I remain indifferent to the individuals involved, when the individuals involved are the subject?
If you wish to discuss something else, dear, start a thread, and the retarded cunt will not be the topic.
How many threads can you find, on KTS, with her as the subject?
Now search Satyr on ILP and see what you find.

Should I ignore it, when studying human beings is my main interest?
Where else can I find a petri dish of human depravity, like ILP?
If nature is what you worship, then begin with human nature.
Just a suggestion.

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I've never sensed this sort of motivation from Iambiguous, and while we've had our differences, I have to balk at this particular assessment. And if you're living in his head, Satyr, as I'm sure you are, he is equally living in yours, perhaps even more so, if we judge it in pure volume of verbiage. But then, this is clearly something that goes back years, between the two of you.
Ha!!
It's hard to ignore a retard that attempted to take over your home by squatting in it.
But the evictions notice is in the mail.

Don't know if you noticed but the thread creator - none other than gib - made you, I and the retard the topic....so to go off-topic would break KTS rules. Please look into how many threads are about the retard, or you, on this forum, versus the number of threads about Satyr, on ILP.
If you don't wish to discuss the retard, yourself, or moi, then don't post in this thread.

Well, if you didn't pick up on it....then it didn't happen.
It's all subjective, no?

In all things, nature selects....not in accordance to the subject, but to her uncompromising objective rules.
Nature is so authoritarian and fascistic, and those who love and speak on her behalf are often accused of being possessed by her, or of channelling her inhumane "vices".

Maia wrote:
What I really wanted to pick up on, though, is your use of the term "cruel" with regard to my blindness. My options are not reduced, merely different. If I've managed to convey anything over the years on ILP, I hope it's this. Maybe I've failed, but at least I've tried.
Yes, different.
Now try to "see" yourself from the retard's point of view.
Stop taking things personally and admit that anything that makes an individual less than fit, less than ideal, is a deficiency.
An ugly woman, a short man, a fat man, a crippled woman, a bald man, a woman with a lazy eye....etc.... are part of the sexual dynamic.

Undermining is her game, whether you see it or not.
She's been trying to undermine me, this forum...language....reality....objectivity....and now that she reduced ILP to another shithole, she's moved on to do the same to another forum.

But...let's not talk about her.
What about you, or does that come across as flirty?

One last thing...
You do know who started this thread and what it's topic is, right?
Should I post outside its premises to prove that I remain indifferent to the individuals involved, when the individuals involved are the subject?
If you wish to discuss something else, dear, start a thread, and the retarded cunt will not be the topic.
How many threads can you find, on KTS, with her as the subject?
Now search Satyr on ILP and see what you find.

Should I ignore it, when studying human beings is my main interest?
Where else can I find a petri dish of human depravity, like ILP?
If nature is what you worship, then begin with human nature.
Just a suggestion.

+++Don't know if you noticed but the thread creator - none other than gib - made you, I and the retard the topic....so to go off-topic would break KTS rules. Please look into how many threads are about the retard, or you, on this forum, versus the number of threads about Satyr, on ILP.
If you don't wish to discuss the retard, yourself, or moi, then don't post in this thread.+++

Well, I'm never shy of talking about myself, so that's all fine, then.

+++Well, if you didn't pick up on it....then it didn't happen.
It's all subjective, no?+++

I believe I'm a fairly good judge of character.

+++Yes, different.
Now try to "see" yourself from the retard's point of view.
Stop taking things personally and admit that anything that makes an individual less than fit, less than ideal, is a deficiency.
An ugly woman, a short man, a fat man, a crippled woman, a bald man, a woman with a lazy eye....etc.... are part of the sexual dynamic.+++

Less than fit for what? If people choose to see me in that way then that's very much their loss, and not mine.

+++But...let's not talk about her.
What about you, or does that come across as flirty?+++

What would you like to know?
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Maia wrote:

Well, I'm never shy of talking about myself, so that's all fine, then.
So me talking about you is not me obsessing over you, and me talking about the retard, isn't evidence of my preoccupation with her, especially since it wasn't I who started this thread and you can't find another like it on KTS.
Someone came here and asked me about you and this retard....and I answered.

Maia wrote:
I believe I'm a fairly good judge of character.
If you don't pick up on the retard undermining anything and anyone...then so be it.
Carry on.

Maia wrote:
Less than fit for what? If people choose to see me in that way then that's very much their loss, and not mine.
There's a reason our species evolved sight.
I'll leave it at that.

Maia wrote:
What would you like to know?
On second thought....nothing really.

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Satyr wrote:
Maia wrote:

Well, I'm never shy of talking about myself, so that's all fine, then.
So me talking about you is not me obsessing over you, and me talking about the retard, isn't evidence of my preoccupation with her, especially since it wasn't I who started this thread and you can't find another like it on KTS.
Someone came here and asked me about you and this retard....and I answered.

Maia wrote:
I believe I'm a fairly good judge of character.
If you don't pick up on the retard undermining anything and anyone...then so be it.
Carry on.

Maia wrote:
Less than fit for what? If people choose to see me in that way then that's very much their loss, and not mine.
There's a reason our species evolved sight.
I'll leave it at that.

Maia wrote:
What would you like to know?
On second thought....nothing really.

+++So me talking about you is not me obsessing over you, and me talking about the retard, isn't evidence of my preoccupation with her, especially since it wasn't I who started this thread and you can't find another like it on KTS.
Someone came here and asked me about you and this retard....and I answered.+++

It was never me who accused you of obsessing over me, Satyr. I never even mentioned it, till you did.

As for our mutual friend, again, since you seem keen to belabour this, I cannot help pointing out that you mentioned him quite excessively in that other thread, that I linked above.

+++On second thought....nothing really.+++

That's a relief.

See, I can play verbal mind games too. Personally, though, I left the politics of the playground behind years ago,
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Maia wrote:
That's a relief.

See, I can play verbal mind games too. Personally, though, I left the politics of the playground behind years ago,
Did you though?

Women have an addiction to Drama; you are not an exception to this rule. That's how Lambo keeps you hooked and coming back for more.

You're being played like a fiddle.
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Maia wrote:
It was never me who accused you of obsessing over me, Satyr. I never even mentioned it, till you did.
I know....and I was responding to others.

Maia wrote:
As for our mutual friend, again, since you seem keen to belabour this, I cannot help pointing out that you mentioned him quite excessively in that other thread, that I linked above.
Specimens volunteer themselves.

Maia wrote:
That's a relief.

See, I can play verbal mind games too. Personally, though, I left the politics of the playground behind years ago,
No mind-games.

I would lose if I confronted a female mind. An amateur, am I, learning a skill at the feet of master-baiters.

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Æon wrote:
Maia wrote:
That's a relief.

See, I can play verbal mind games too. Personally, though, I left the politics of the playground behind years ago,
Did you though?

Women have an addiction to Drama; you are not an exception to this rule.  That's how Lambo keeps you hooked and coming back for more.

You're being played like a fiddle.

Maybe next time I should stay away for good, then.
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Satyr wrote:
Maia wrote:
It was never me who accused you of obsessing over me, Satyr. I never even mentioned it, till you did.
I know....and I was responding to others.

Maia wrote:
As for our mutual friend, again, since you seem keen to belabour this, I cannot help pointing out that you mentioned him quite excessively in that other thread, that I linked above.
Specimens volunteer themselves.

Maia wrote:
That's a relief.

See, I can play verbal mind games too. Personally, though, I left the politics of the playground behind years ago,
No mind-games.

I would lose if I confronted a female mind. An amateur, am I, learning a skill at the feet of master-baiters.

Well, I don't like them either.
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Maybe next time I should stay away for good, then.
You came here; it was your choice. Now you're not allowed to leave...
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Maia wrote:
Maybe next time I should stay away for good, then.
You came here; it was your choice.  Now you're not allowed to leave...

Actually, I was referring to ILP.
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What drew you there in the first place? A promise of philosophy? What did that mean to you then and now?
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What drew you there in the first place?  A promise of philosophy?  What did that mean to you then and now?

You mean when I first joined, ten years ago? I was hoping for discussions about how we perceive things, how our senses work, that sort of thing. I bit naive, really.
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ILP is like a party where everybody's invited, shows up, then is told "bring your own beer", but nobody did.

Sure, you could leave, come back, and provide for everybody else. But if people can't stand each other sober, then why waste kegs on that?

The point is, sometimes you have to lead the way to wisdom, because others aren't going to do it for you. Or if they do, there is a price attached. Usually it's a steep price, not worth the cost. And who truly provides? Who can backup their aggrandizing and endless promises of truth, with actual insights? You came late to the ILP party, after a decade of much more vigorous debates and arguments. Sadly, you missed most of the 'good' drama, which led just about everybody here, now, including you. Maybe 'WendyDarling' can catch you up, if you were interested.
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ILP is like a party where everybody's invited, shows up, then is told "bring your own beer", but nobody did.

Sure, you could leave, come back, and provide for everybody else.  But if people can't stand each other sober, then why waste kegs on that?

The point is, sometimes you have to lead the way to wisdom, because others aren't going to do it for you.  Or if they do, there is a price attached.  Usually it's a steep price, not worth the cost.  And who truly provides?  Who can backup their aggrandizing and endless promises of truth, with actual insights?  You came late to the ILP party, after a decade of much more vigorous debates and arguments.  Sadly, you missed most of the 'good' drama, which led just about everybody here, now, including you.  Maybe 'WendyDarling' can catch you up, if you were interested.

I had been booted off yet another philosophy forum just before that, for talking about "magical thinking" if I remember correctly. It's all a bit hazy now, to be honest.
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I should address the OP of course.

There's no "debate" between Satyr and Iamb as the latter is clearly outclassed. When IQ varies too widely, it becomes a laughable display drawn out philosophically. What insights came Iamb offer? Whenever he's confronted, like Mary Land and the abortion debacle, he cowers quickly when confronted with honest, genuine questions. There's a lack of quid-pro-quo. Because moronic people instinctively know, that if they are pressed on certain questions, that it exposes a wide range of contradictions and lies, which they have lived their lives upon. This is why Iamb is a coward, and cannot really step his foot into any 'philosophical' domain.

Furthermore, because of this, Iamb defaults onto another strategy, a feminine strategy that propagates 'drama'. He does this to remain relevant and 'involved', a last-ditch effort. Again, the point is about insights and wisdom. If people cannot offer even small insights, displaying honesty and a type of 'purity of soul', then these types really are not long for Philosophy per se. Or, they're drawn to the idea of philosophy, but cannot offer any of their own. And they're too dimwitted to self-reflect on this.

What can -I- offer to philosophy, to discussion, to debate?

If nothing, then it's best to remain silent and listen. And if one is dimwitted, then wait extra long before speaking, to become assured of what you say. At least demonstrate that you can repeat what your peers say, have said, and will say. If one cannot do this, then they have ulterior motives, and deep-seated biases which taint their perspective. This is subjectivity. Iamb has become so desperate to hide his own subjective biases, that he resorts to slandering any hint of 'objectivity', which he recognizes as a hierarchy of subjective beliefs. He is unable to grasp the idea, that there are truths about existence that is 'beyond' or 'above' onself.

Like a young child would refuse to believe that his or her parent knows 'better' than herself.
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I had been booted off yet another philosophy forum just before that, for talking about "magical thinking" if I remember correctly. It's all a bit hazy now, to be honest.
Most members here have had similar experiences.

Being booted...not so much promoting magic.

If you're interested in perception and consciousness, then I recommend Berkeley. I learned about him in college, and learned a lot about how sight evolved to translate sense into conscious data. You can use sound and hearing as a similar method of perception; but it's not nearly the same. Sight is much more 'distant' and immediate than sound. Plus there are plenty of threads on this forum about perception, consciousness, reality, and how perceptions are tainted by politics and propaganda. People lie, all the time. Magic and mysticism almost always relies on deceptions and impossible promises, to lure young people into occultism. Philosophy is very much antithetical to Mysticism, the difference between 'uncovering' existence and nature, versus covering it up, for political gain.
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Maia wrote:
I had been booted off yet another philosophy forum just before that, for talking about "magical thinking" if I remember correctly. It's all a bit hazy now, to be honest.
Most members here have had similar experiences.

Being booted...not so much promoting magic.

If you're interested in perception and consciousness, then I recommend Berkeley.  I learned about him in college, and learned a lot about how sight evolved to translate sense into conscious data.  You can use sound and hearing as a similar method of perception; but it's not nearly the same.  Sight is much more 'distant' and immediate than sound.  Plus there are plenty of threads on this forum about perception, consciousness, reality, and how perceptions are tainted by politics and propaganda.  People lie, all the time.  Magic and mysticism almost always relies on deceptions and impossible promises, to lure young people into occultism.  Philosophy is very much antithetical to Mysticism, the difference between 'uncovering' existence and nature, versus covering it up, for political gain.

Thanks. It's a subject I've always been interested in, for perhaps fairly obvious reasons, but I've found, over the years, that there's an unbridgeable gap in understanding, whenever I've tried to discuss it in any sort of depth with a sighted person. And I've tried, many times.

As for my thinking on magic, and Paganism in general, that has evolved too, in a sort of back to basics way, if that's the right way of putting it.

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PostSubject: Re: Satyr, iambiguous, and Maia Satyr, iambiguous, and Maia - Page 2 EmptySun Aug 28, 2022 7:51 am

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You mean when I first joined, ten years ago? I was hoping for discussions about how we perceive things, how our senses work, that sort of thing. I bit naive, really.
Really?
And you found nothing related to this subject on KTS?
Maybe you aren't 'looking' - excuse the poke - hard enough.

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Thanks. It's a subject I've always been interested in, for perhaps fairly obvious reasons, but I've found, over the years, that there's an unbridgeable gap in understanding, whenever I've tried to discuss it in any sort of depth with a sighted person.
the subject is central to paganism and Hellenism.

As Thorleiff said..
Boman, Thorleif wrote:
…for the Hebrew the most important of his senses for the experience of truth was his hearing (as well as various kinds of feeling), but for the Greek it had to be his sight; or perhaps inversely, because Greeks were organized in a predominately visual way and the Hebrew in a predominately auditory way, each people’s conception of truth was formed in increasingly different ways.
...and...
Boman, Thorleif wrote:
…thinking of the Greeks is spatial and that of the Hebrews is temporal.

So seeing is central to Hellenism and Indo-European philosophy.

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Satyr wrote:
Maia wrote:


You mean when I first joined, ten years ago? I was hoping for discussions about how we perceive things, how our senses work, that sort of thing. I bit naive, really.
Really?
And you found nothing related to this subject on KTS?
Maybe you aren't 'looking' - excuse the poke - hard enough.

Maia wrote:
Thanks. It's a subject I've always been interested in, for perhaps fairly obvious reasons, but I've found, over the years, that there's an unbridgeable gap in understanding, whenever I've tried to discuss it in any sort of depth with a sighted person.
the subject is central to paganism and Hellenism.

As Thorleiff said..
Boman, Thorleif wrote:
…for the Hebrew the most important of his senses for the experience of truth was his hearing (as well as various kinds of feeling), but for the Greek it had to be his sight; or perhaps inversely, because Greeks were organized in a predominately visual way and the Hebrew in a predominately auditory way, each people’s conception of truth was formed in increasingly different ways.
...and...
Boman, Thorleif wrote:
…thinking of the Greeks is spatial and that of the Hebrews is temporal.

So seeing is central to Hellenism and Indo-European philosophy.

It's probably fair to say that I haven't looked through the entire KTS archive.

Yes, I'm aware of the Greek preoccupation with these sorts of ideas, including geometry, which is actually what led me to philosophy, since I've always been interested in Classical history and mythology. More specifically, it was Plato. I wasn't so much aware of the Hebrew reliance on hearing, but it makes sense, with their emphasis on monotheism and holy writ, which was, of course, designed to be read out. I don't find that particularly appealing, though.
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I've named my "philosophy" Interactions & Interpretations.
Interactions refers to actions, including sensual,, using a medium, such as light or air.
Interpretations refers to how the body and then the brain processes this data, and how judgement leads to choice, which is a return of this processed data back to action.

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I've named my "philosophy" Interactions & Interpretations.
Interactions refers to actions, including sensual,, using a medium, such as light or air.
Interpretations refers to how the body and then the brain processes this data, and how judgement leads to choice, which is a return of this processed data back to action.

The brain is extremely hungry for sensory input, and will literally suck it up from anywhere, then build a massive, elaborate construct out of it, which bears little relation to what's actually out there. Or, more properly, the construct is built from only a tiny proportion of what's out there, and even that has been filtered through senses.

In what part of your mind do visual images appear, for example? I don't mean in what part of your brain, we know all that, but where do they seem to be, to you? What I'm asking here, basically, is where on earth do you fit them in?
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The brain is extremely hungry for sensory input, and will literally suck it up from anywhere, then build a massive, elaborate construct out of it, which bears little relation to what's actually out there. Or, more properly, the construct is built from only a tiny proportion of what's out there, and even that has been filtered through senses.
The brain is pattern hungry.

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In what part of your mind do visual images appear, for example? I don't mean in what part of your brain, we know all that, but where do they seem to be, to you? What I'm asking here, basically, is where on earth do you fit them in?
The abstraction is the interpretation of sensory input.
A synthesis of both external and internal data.

The brain creates a mental map - space being a projection of probabilities - which it continuously updates - so consciousness is a stream of juxtapositions.
This map, and all its evaluations, either refers to an external geography or to an internal, imaginary one - to a degree.

You've, probably, created such a map using sonar data, and electromagnetic data, i.e., touch, and/or olfactory data.
For you distance is gauged by a subtle doppler effect and by evaluating crescendo...tone.
This is a disadvantage in relation to visual data using light.
You require proximity, multiplied technologically, such as your computer or the technologies you use to compensate.
Your hearing is, probably, highly tuned. You probably dislike loud environments.
I have a similar issue with vision in high datum environments - sensory overload environments. My eyes become tired, because they dart to and for, trying to see everything.
I've had to develop my focus...so that now I can read a book while the TV is on, or I can enter a trance like state, while surrounded by distractions.

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Maia wrote:

The brain is extremely hungry for sensory input, and will literally suck it up from anywhere, then build a massive, elaborate construct out of it, which bears little relation to what's actually out there. Or, more properly, the construct is built from only a tiny proportion of what's out there, and even that has been filtered through senses.
The brain is pattern hungry.

Maia wrote:
In what part of your mind do visual images appear, for example? I don't mean in what part of your brain, we know all that, but where do they seem to be, to you? What I'm asking here, basically, is where on earth do you fit them in?
The abstraction is the interpretation of sensory input.
A synthesis of both external and internal data.

The brain creates a mental map - space being a projection of probabilities - which it continuously updates - so consciousness is a stream of juxtapositions.
This map, and all its evaluations, either refers to an external geography or to an internal, imaginary one - to a degree.

You've, probably, created such a map using sonar data, and electromagnetic data, i.e., touch, and/or olfactory data.
For you distance is gauged by a subtle doppler effect and by evaluating crescendo...tone.
This is a disadvantage in relation to visual data using light.
You require proximity, multiplied technologically, such as your computer or the technologies you use to compensate.
Your hearing is, probably, highly tuned. You probably dislike loud environments.
I have a similar issue with vision in high datum environments - sensory overload environments. My eyes become tired, because they dart to and for, trying to see everything.
I've had to develop my focus...so that now I can read a book while the TV is on, or I can enter a trance like state, while surrounded by distractions.

Yes, I have a very good sense of spacial awareness, for example, built from echo-location, and a whole range of other data. But if that's what's taking the place of a visual map of my surroundings, as I'm sure it is, then I find it very difficult to imagine how the extra, visual data could manifest. My sensory map, as it were, already seems to be full up.

Which is basically the unbridgeable gap I was referring to earlier.
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