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PostSubject: Αγοραφοβία Αγοραφοβία EmptyFri Nov 04, 2022 5:08 am

Αγοραφοβία -- "Fear of Open Places"

Not exactly, this is only the new world, "Americanized" (per)version of the word....


Fear of Philosophy
Fear of open, honest Dialogue
Fear of being Exposed, as the Charlatan, Faker, Snake Oil salesman that you are (Gypsies)
Fear of Intellectualism, Logic, Debate
Fear of Hellenism
Fear of the Græco-Romans
Fear of Apollo
Fear of Truth

How many on ILP, Philosophy Now, etc. are the real Agoraphobics??

Fear of Uncensored conversation, debate, dialogue, etc?  This is why they stay far, far away from here.  Most of them cannot get beyond simple State-propagandistic talking points, or Church-propagated dogma.  Slaves and Servants, of the State, if not the Church.  There was never any true 'Separation' of Church and State.  The Anglo Protestants only hoped to distance themselves from the Roman Catholics, yet, never produced a true or significant Culture of their own.  This is why the Anglo-Americans are a "culture of no culture".  They imitated something that they never were, are not, and have not yet come close to 'overcoming'.  The desert-dwellers simply climbed onto their backs, brought their money bags to New York, and intermarried into their families.  It was not hard, with no Church to block them.

Look who the Clintons married, Bushes, Trumps, etc.  Why?  How?

Better not ask such questions openly.  Best stay an Agoraphobe.
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PostSubject: Re: Αγοραφοβία Αγοραφοβία EmptyFri Nov 04, 2022 5:54 am

It means, being publicly exposed as a Hypocrite in front of your peers and intellectual superiors.
It means, being publicly embarrassed and humiliated--you thought yourself smart, but were proved the opposite.
It means, running away from exposure, of your State-fed propaganda or Church-fed dogma.

The opposite of an Agoraphobe, the Agoraphile is somebody like 'Iamb', a moron who feeds on attention. Shameless, he doesn't know, or understand being humiliated, but "negative attention is better than no attention!" Some simpletons enjoy to being made a mockery of, a Fool. Laughs when others laugh at him--the Agoraphile.
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PostSubject: Re: Αγοραφοβία Αγοραφοβία EmptyFri Nov 04, 2022 6:37 am

The anxiety/fear of being exposed as a fool, in public, becomes a tactic of acting a fool so as to imply that the foolishness is a ply concealing brilliance.
Cynicism becomes the social rule. Skepticism with no variance, other than the preservation of skepticism itself.
All is ridiculed, mocked, undermined, because only the nil is certain. Whatever threatens to expose the cynic is a particular target of ridicule and linguistic undermining – threatening concepts dissected, semiotically, and rendered irrational, or, at least, in doubt, equalizing them with any other concept.
Hedonism becomes the overriding criterion. Pleasure as a negation of the experience of existing. The objective being to be made a part of the living-dead, alive but completely numb, indifferent, blind to existence.
Existence itself redefined by detaching it from the perceptible, using words – detaching them form the act and reattaching them to other words, creating an auto-referential solipsism; a cognitive womb necessitating dependence on a sheltering agency. God replaced by mankind, for this function – master/slave dynamic. Willing slaves sacrificing their agency to the masters who protect them, maintaining them in a state of 'comfortable numbness,’ laughing away all that attempts to burst their ideological bubble – human husbandry.

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PostSubject: Re: Αγοραφοβία Αγοραφοβία EmptyFri Nov 04, 2022 7:14 am

Emerging self-consciousness and the ability to perceive oneself from the third-person perspective - objectively.
Anxiety that others see you as you are, and not as you want to appear to be.
Insecurity in oneself. A feeling of being exposed.

Nihilism and its linguistic detachments attempt offer relief, from this Αγοραφοβία.

Philosophy beginning from the act, referring to an act - interaction - is corrupted and it refers to a word, symbolizing a concept (abstraction) with no external referents.
So, 'free-will,' is detached from the act of choice and made ideological, abstract....of the mind and not of the body.
Same for 'race,' and 'sex,' which are now idealized - gender being the social application of natural reproductive roles is detached from its physical - psychosomatic - origins, and made into an idea/ideal that can be manipulated and then nullified.
'Race' is reduced to a colour.

Philosophy has been given the same treatment.
Metaphysics disconnecting from physics. A hypothetical underlying world that is increasingly disconnected, and then contradicting, the empirical, observable, experienced world.
Metaphysics not aligning, limited, by the physical, but the physical forced to align with metaphysis that contradict the physical - from this ideology is projected as a linguistic caricature, seductive to all those that feel dissatisfied with existence.

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PostSubject: Re: Αγοραφοβία Αγοραφοβία EmptyFri Nov 04, 2022 7:24 am

In addition to those exposures, I recalled pedophilia and psychopathy.

The masses fear the Agora because it exposes the nature of the Individual/Soul. This has been very apparent throughout the course of these online 'forums', given the impression of Anonymity that is neither perfect nor complete. Just the opposite, most want the Exposure without the embarrassment, but then quickly learn the error of their ways, before the scrutiny, discrimination, deconstruction, and psychoanalsis of authentic Philosophers. Most people want to hide simple 'evils' and vices, such as sexual dysfunction or murderous desires--as-if these are unique phenomena and not par the course for the excessive Repressions of postmodern Civil societies.

The plebian thought they were 'Unique' and important, as they are propagated and edumacated as youth, but quickly learn the error of this way within the Greek Agora, particularly the Athenians who developed their ancient arts of politics and cultures from their early experiences and expressions of these philosophies.
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PostSubject: Re: Αγοραφοβία Αγοραφοβία EmptyFri Nov 04, 2022 7:27 am

"Anonymity" is based on the delusion that if they rename themselves they can escape being identified.

In the agora your image can be concealed with clothes and makeup but it cannot be escaped.
In these modern electronic public squares the image is reduced to a moniker, a word, offering them an additional layer to maintain their disconnections.
But they can't....because appearance is about patterns....and they cannot escape the patterns of their identity - inherited or adopted.
A limit persists - they can imitate what is beneath them, but nobody can imitate what is above them, so they must reduce everyone to a level they can imitate and dismiss through ridicule.

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PostSubject: Re: Αγοραφοβία Αγοραφοβία EmptyFri Nov 04, 2022 7:27 am

After ILO forum, I briefly tried a "completely free speech" platform, that immediately attracted pedophiles and bot-spam, in addition to Nazism and nationalism. The masses do not seek 'free' speech for noble pursuits, but merely to expunge their shame, guilt, and sexual repression. This is the mistake of the simple-minded, and the extent of their "Free-Will".

They don't understand discipline, subtlety, and the need for some limits in the advent of a potentially 'truly' free Phora.

The Agora is not meant to piss and shit yourself in public, as the Cynics first tried (Diogenes).
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PostSubject: Re: Αγοραφοβία Αγοραφοβία EmptyFri Nov 04, 2022 7:28 am

Satyr wrote:
"Anonymity" is based on the delusion that if they rename themselves they can escape being identified.
Ah I see...
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PostSubject: Re: Αγοραφοβία Αγοραφοβία EmptyFri Nov 04, 2022 8:20 am

Satyr wrote:
Emerging self-consciuosness and the ability to perceive oneself from the third-person perspective - objectively.
Anxiety that others see you as you are, and not as you want to appear to be.
Insecurity in oneself. A feeling of being exposed.

Nihilism and its linguistic detachments attempt offer relief, from this Αγοραφοβία.
So this is a focal point of the development of human consciousness, sociology, and the 'Self' of the individual. Those that are too scared, afraid, of Exposure, will not develop a Self-consciousness. This then spreads outward across humanity and history.

It is not only to bear oneself in public, but the Agora teaches that you must present yourself, your mind, your thoughts, your speech, your core ideals, to your Peers, specifically, to your Superiors/Patricians/Elders. This was taken by Abrahamics and then translated into "God's Judgment" (of the Soul), or that "God is always watching". But it is a copy of a copy of the original.

There are degrees of humiliation and self-reflection required by the Agora. The young leaders would test their metal, and be rebuked. In these early forms of political development, the individual 'Self' arises from such reflections. I am not how 'I' see me, but how my compatriots and peers see me. The self must be grounded in reality, and rebuked when it presents itself as larger than is (Hubris).

Religion stole the form, but not the actual development, thus a mere Imitation.

Religion cannot produce a 'Self' (Consciousness) as Philosophy necessarily requires.
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PostSubject: Re: Αγοραφοβία Αγοραφοβία EmptyFri Nov 04, 2022 8:32 am

It also has to do with how similar the public self (character) is to the private, true, self (personae).
The bigger the difference the more insecure the individual is of being discovered - reaching an apex when the 'character' contradicts the 'personae.'
Nihilism offers the linguistic inversion as a solution.
Character - the social performance - is considered the true personae and the personae is the fake - so identity is also a social construct and may change according to trends, or based on a collective agreement.
All is nurture and no nature.
Nature is rendered into a superficial physicality, materiality.....and nurture, is of the mind, not limited by natural order.
The mind can now deny the body claiming to be more real.
We reach transsexuality, through gender, detached from sexual reproductive roles.

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PostSubject: Re: Αγοραφοβία Αγοραφοβία EmptyFri Nov 04, 2022 2:41 pm

A clown wants to reduce everything to a circus - a nonsensical cosmic joke for children to clap and dance to, waiting for the end of the performance.

US wants to reduce all cultures to a product, sold on the markets - a reflection of their own culture-of-no-culture.
They despise everything that resists. They want to tear it down.
Look at the US....the most powerful empire in the history of man, claiming to be a victim, its citizens - from wealthy to poor - all victims of injustices, enjoying lifestyles unimaginable to other peoples; an empire of exploitation manufacturing localized superfluity, selling this as a global model to be imitated by all.
How is this possible when natural and human resources are finite?
The big lie.
The exploiter pretending to be the victim of exploitation - they learned this from the self-mutilating ones.
Even their self-mutilations are imposed upon them by an external power.
An empire built on the world's victims, victimizing the world to produce more victims, presenting itself as the saviour....a Messiah. From Abraham to Marx, and from Moses to Marcuse.

The transexual wants to reduce sex/gender, and every biological identifier, to a social construct, so as to make their own deficiencies and insecurities less problematic.

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PostSubject: Re: Αγοραφοβία Αγοραφοβία EmptyMon Nov 21, 2022 11:11 am

Satyr wrote:

The transexual wants to reduce sex/gender, and every biological identifier, to a social construct, so as to make their own deficiencies and insecurities less problematic.

But this is also their Achilles heel. Since they have locked themselves to the belief that an individual cannot exist and/or interact with others without being part of a socially constructed group, they can not defend themselves as individuals, as doing so would imply that an individual _can_ exist and defend its interests on its own. That's why we should confront them as individuals, so they _either_ have to back out of the discussion _or_ admit that they're wrong. (The documentary "No Safe Spaces" [2019] shows some examples on how it's done.)

Take notice that the courts decided recently not to prosecute the Norwegian comedian Atle Antonsen, who was reported to the police for hate speech by activist Sumaya Jirde Ali. According to the legal definitions of hate speech in Norway, this was not a case of hate speech because Ali _had_ the opportunity to defend herself as an individual.
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PostSubject: Re: Αγοραφοβία Αγοραφοβία EmptyMon Nov 21, 2022 11:29 am

Reducing identity to a 'social construct' means the individual must find an identity from within the social construct and be supported by those participating within it.
It's mass delusion, where one supports the other and expects to be supported in return - Golden Rule.

As I've said....they are always collectivists for this reason.
They need quantities of supporters to live in their delusion subjective universe.
Their fake social identity requires mass participation, so they become totalitarian.
The transexual must force all to use the pronouns that validate his delusion - his/her/its identity, usually taken form some social trend, or popular fashion.

This goes back to nihilism and how it is rooted in words disconnected from experienced reality.
In the Jesus narrative Jesus must die, as a physical, tangible, organism so as to be reborn as an eternal idea - represented by words - and he 'exists' whenever 'two or more' of these deluded nihilists gather in his..."name."
So, he 'exists for as long as there are believers to hold him in their memory and who gather to collectively evoke his name - the representation of him.
This is what the "soul" is....the deceased name, his/her memory.

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