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PostSubject: Rupert Spira Rupert Spira EmptySat Nov 19, 2022 7:02 pm


Is The World An Illusion?

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PostSubject: Re: Rupert Spira Rupert Spira EmptySat Nov 19, 2022 7:05 pm

Test it.
Amputate your hand with a butcher knife.
Tell me how the trick goes.

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How Does Evolution Exist If Time Is An Illusion
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PostSubject: Re: Rupert Spira Rupert Spira EmptySun Nov 20, 2022 10:12 am

Consciousness works on inherited a priori concepts, like the concepts of space/time.
Read Kant.
Of course it evolves....but not if it doesn't have to.
Necessity, Ananke, being the mother of invention.
What is sufficient need not evolve.
An organism must remain efficient and effective - a balance. It need not evolve more than it needs to survive and propagate.

Still desperately looking for justification to remain superstitious, my dear.
That hasn't evolved either, has it?
Why?
Because you live in a system that protects you from your own idiocy.
There's no severe cost to your superstitious delusions, so you remain fixated by them.
There's a cost, but it is not high enough for you to care, or for you to notice - so you stagnate wasting your life in a desperate attempt to justify your original, unchanging superstitions.

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PostSubject: Re: Rupert Spira Rupert Spira EmptySun Nov 20, 2022 10:30 am

Actually, to be more precise, the superstition offers a benefit.
You cannot endure existence without it.
If the costs of the lie/delusion surpass the benefits then necessity will remove the undesirable component.

The brain evolved to aid the organism in its survival and reproductive needs, and not to see reality, beyond what it requires to increase the probability of this primary need, i.e., objective.
Of course some humans evolve beyond it and may replace survival with truth, no mater the costs.
In your case 'god' - as it was defined by Abrahamic nihilism -must be preserved, at all costs - whatever name you use to pretend you are 'progressing,' or 'transcending' your original conceptions of the absolute.
You need a consciousness to exist separate from your own.
You need it so badly you will search the internets until you find anyone who offers you a justification, and the internet accommodates all kinds of absurdities delivered by a many charlatans and imbeciles.

You simply lack the ability to be objective, or the desire to become as objective as possible, so can't figure out a way to judge what idea is more probable and what is less probable. All you have is your feelings, and how the idea makes you feel - and this idea makes you feel good.


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PostSubject: Re: Rupert Spira Rupert Spira EmptySun Nov 20, 2022 3:47 pm

Satyr wrote:
Consciousness works on inherited a priori concepts, like the concepts of space/time.
Read Kant.
Of course it evolves....but not if it doesn't have to.
Necessity, Ananke, being the mother of invention.
What is sufficient need not evolve.
An organism must remain efficient and effective - a balance. It need not evolve more than it needs to survive and propagate.

Still desperately looking for justification to remain superstitious, my dear.
That hasn't evolved either, has it?
Why?
Because you live in a system that protects you from your own idiocy.
There's no severe cost to your superstitious delusions, so you remain fixated by them.
There's a cost, but it is not high enough for you to care, or for you to notice - so you stagnate wasting your life in a desperate attempt to justify your original, unchanging superstitions.

Did you watch the second video in full?

How has your consciousness evolved? Examples would help.
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Nobody knows, exactly how, sweet....allowing morons like you to believe all kinds of absurdities.
I rarely watch any vid you post, over 3 minutes.

That said....consciousness evolved to deal with flux - interactivity and chaos - so as to preserve and increase the organism's power, i.e., order.
It was not created by a god, to test man, and then give him eternal life if he passed the test.
Mind is an extension of body; a synthesis of experiential and inherited memories, constantly being juxtaposed to sensual input.
How many fucking times will I repeat it before you stop asking me stupid questions?
You don't like the answer?
Is it not sufficiently complete, final, certain, absolute for your needy mind?
Does it not offer you the hope for eternal life?
Who, the fuck, cares?
Find one of the many con-artists on-line telling you he does know...and give yourself to them, you stupid moron.
I....don't....care.
Disproving a hypotheses, moron, does not prove another.
I could be completely wrong and still your Jew god is not proven to exist, you pathetic imbecile.
Nobody forces you to stay around KTS.
Move on.....silence is better than noise.
Find your guru elsewhere.
I am not he.

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PostSubject: Re: Rupert Spira Rupert Spira EmptySun Nov 20, 2022 4:06 pm

Can you discuss anything that opposes your views without attacking? Without insults?

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I deal in probabilities, not in absolutes, in certainties.
Offer a superior probability and I'll listen.
All you have, imbecile, is this absolute one-god of Abraham - who is a universal consciousness...omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent.
I've stated why your Jew god is impossible because if he was possible existence, as we know it, would be impossible.
Your god is a contradiction of existence, that's why you have to place him in some 'beyond or hidden beneath' the existent.
A singularity negates multiplicity.

I've also explained how and why the concept of a single existence, a universe is a projection of the mind in some 'outside state' so as to conceptualize ALL of existence as a singularity, whereas if we do so from within we can only state that a singularity does not exists other than as an idea in the human brain; an abstraction, a representation.

I will not repeat this over, and over, and over....
you don't understand. you don't like it. It is not enough for you.
So be it.
I....don't....care.
Believe in whatever crap makes you feel good.
I won't bother you if you don't come here and post your crap, as a taunt.

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PostSubject: Re: Rupert Spira Rupert Spira EmptySun Nov 20, 2022 4:13 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
Can you discuss anything that opposes your views without attacking? Without insults?

Delete my account.
All kinds of infantile shit challenges my views, sweetie.
Am I supposed to answer every manchild that comes along, as if they deserved more than scorn?

Possibilities are infinite....probabilities are not.
Will I indulge every possibility the human mind can imagine?


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PostSubject: Re: Rupert Spira Rupert Spira EmptySun Nov 20, 2022 4:19 pm

Plenty of forums that will humour your need for a Jew god.
The other one wants to believe ancient-Egypt was established by Negroes....
Do you know how many times I've dealt with these morons?
Is it possible?
Yes....
Is it probable.
NO!!!!
Is it possible that Lizard men are in the Whitehouse?
Yes.
Is it probable?
No!!!!
Do I want to have a conversation on absurdities?
Not any more. Maybe ten years ago. Not now.

I'm too old to be talking about the 'brain in the vat,' like a teenager discovering the limits of consciousness for the first time.

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PostSubject: Re: Rupert Spira Rupert Spira EmptySun Nov 20, 2022 5:21 pm

Philosophy is about life. I am curious on how you view yours, your life, that is.

Would you be grateful to relive your life up to this moment, changing nothing?
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PostSubject: Re: Rupert Spira Rupert Spira EmptySun Nov 20, 2022 5:24 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
Philosophy is about life. I am curious on how you view yours, your life, that is.

Would you be grateful to relive your life up to this moment, changing nothing?
I would change a few things.
We all have regrets, and whoever claims otherwise is lying, or saying that he ought not to because of 'eternal return' as a test.

We all make mistakes. We make choices and these choices have unexpected consequences.
This is why we learn.

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You were not given the choice to change anything. Would you be grateful to relive your life? Do your regrets outweigh your triumphs?
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PostSubject: Re: Rupert Spira Rupert Spira EmptySun Nov 20, 2022 5:30 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
You were not given the choice to change anything. Would you be grateful to relive your life? Do your regrets outweigh your triumphs?
I would relive it.
Life is all I am, or could ever be.

This is Nietzsche 'eternal return' test.

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Would you be grateful?
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WendyDarling wrote:
Would you be grateful?
To what?

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Eternal return is improbable.
The Hindu's did not believe in it....and Nietzsche took it from them - having been influenced by Schopenhauer who was influenced by Hinduism.
Chaos makes it improbable that we live the exact same life.

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See how desperate you are?
You want to preserve your one-god in the form of absolute order.
Which is what those morons want when they deny free-will.

You can't get over the death of the god of Abraham, so you must save him in some form - he is "resurrected," like Jesus, as an idea.
That's what the message of that allegory was.
The idea cannot die if one or more of you believe in it - it is there.
The idea.
The idea is immortal, as code.
But that's not even true, because with no mind there is no idea.
So, you outsource mind.

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The wonder of life with awareness. I would be so grateful. In the movie theater, every seat taken, Star Wars with it’s regaling symphony kissing my ears with heroic intent. There are billions, quite possibly even zillions of moments that I would gratefully relive.
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WendyDarling wrote:
The wonder of life with awareness. I would be so grateful. In the movie theater, every seat taken, Star Wars with it’s regaling symphony kissing my ears with heroic intent. There are billions, quite possibly even zillions of moments that I would gratefully relive.
And what does the beauty of life have to do with the possibility of eternally reliving it?
Your need does not constitute an argument.
Your conviction does not make it so.

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PostSubject: Re: Rupert Spira Rupert Spira EmptySun Nov 20, 2022 5:46 pm

I was hoping you had hope but you do not. There won’t be anymore questions, so no need to share your misery. Carry on. Caio.
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PostSubject: Re: Rupert Spira Rupert Spira EmptySun Nov 20, 2022 6:31 pm

Satyr wrote:
See how desperate you are?
You want to preserve your one-god in the form of absolute order.
Which is what those morons want when they deny free-will.

You can't get over the death of the god of Abraham, so you must save him in some form - he is "resurrected," like Jesus, as an idea.
That's what the message of that allegory was.
The idea cannot die if one or more of you believe in it - it is there.
The idea.
The idea is immortal, as code.
But that's not even true, because with no mind there is no idea.
So, you outsource mind.

The videos are about consciousness.

I haven’t been discussing God. You are the discussion.

However, you choose to make our every interaction about your obsession, God.
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All life is conscious.
Primitive life is only conscious of other.

Human consciousness is the height of sophistication - complexity - at least among the life-forms we know about.
Self-consciuosness is what makes it especially complex.

For me, memory is part of consciousness - continuously informing the mind - sending data to the brain - from three sources:
Body (internal, subconscious), the brain (experiential) and world (sensual input).
These three sources are processed in multiple places in the brain, and one part of the brain synthesizes them.
This is the part we refer to as the 'self' which is becoming conscious of consciousness.
When we sleep one of these sources is cut off, leaving only two (body and brain - subconscious and experience) - processed by the same part of the brain but without sensual input.

There is no consciousness outside brains, and those life-forms with no brains have a localized form of consciousness, which is never synthesized, e.g., plants.
We also have this plant like consciousness, and it is part of our subconscious, or what we call our intuition.
So, we also judge and choose on a subconscious level, before we become aware of it.

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However, you choose to make our every interaction about your obsession, God.

Ain't that the truth.

You treat Wendy poorly with your arrogance and selfishness.  

If one has the audacity to question the truth or rightness of anything you post, they are met, (as Wendy was)
with a barrage of abuse, citing character flaws, or character defects and the imperfection (as you see perceive it) in the way she thinks or behaves.

Your self aggrandisement has unfortunately polluted this Forum.  

You have become a person outmoded no longer of any significance.  



Some advice old man.  Try and refrain from polluting your son's mind......... probably too late.
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1- God, in the form of an immaterial consciousness, or an absolute order, is always lurking under everything she, and you, post.
When I sense obtuseness my blood lust comes forth, and I morph into a werewolf.

2- I've been "outmoded" for years, dear.
This forum is my personal Symposium, not really like an open forum. Here I gather the like-minded to collect our experiences with the Zombie Apocalypse.
KTS is like a no-zombie zone - a fortress where uninfected humans come and go at will, stopping by to share their war stories.
We tolerate the infected, like you, when they are shackled and muzzled, to study how the infection evolved from Abrahamism to postmodernism.
Your strain of Abrahamson, i.e., Protestant Christianity, seems to be central to this disease.
You come here to spread the infection, I shackle and muzzle, you so that you don't bite my guests - because I can no longer be infected. I've developed an immunity to what ails you and your kind - like when they used to take small doses of poisons to gradually develop resistance to them.
Your low-level toxicity is not effective against me. But some of my younger, or less experienced readers, may still be prone to be infected by your simple insidious methods of proselytization.

3- Banter includes personal insults.
Was hoping for crassness to develop into wit. Recreate the Sciforum days of my youth.
But now I am faced with thin-skinned talentless dullards.

4- Maybe I can send my son to Australia - he really wants to go - and you can mentor him on the invisible man in the sky, your Jew god.
You'll be surprised what my son believes and how he antagonizes me, and what kind of heated arguments we get into about everything from the war in Ukraine to FIFA football - he's 15.
I know you have this image of me in your little brain, of some kind of authoritarian tyrant, but I assure you, I am nothing like my internet character.

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