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PostSubject: Punishment for infidelity: Key to civilization? Punishment for infidelity: Key to civilization? EmptyTue Dec 06, 2022 11:28 am

I just read some theories by Ernst Fehr. He is a behavioral economist but he has also studied the evolution of human co-operation.

He said that punishment for wrong-doers is an essential principle of a well functioning community.
In one text he said specifically, that even nice, decent, law abiding citizens act selfishly nearly always, if there is no guarantee for the reliability and trustworthiness of the other party. This situation however changes immediately, if there is a possible punishment involved for the wrong-doer party.

Although forced monogamy and sexual restraint are necessary for civilization (more insight: Sex and Culture by J.D. Unwin), in modern society there is no any kind of punishment involved for individuals that are promiscuous.

So how can individuals trust each other in this matter? Why would anyone marry or be in a romantic relationship that is supposed to be based on trust? There is an essential element missing from the situation that it could be called trust-based or trust-driven.

Because there is a punishment lacking from those who act against the very principles of civilization, the only thing that we can trust is the fact that everyone acts selfish; though I suppose this is true for human-beings no matter what.

Sidetracking another topic, that is Modern Sexual Dynamics; it seems to me strongly that the best thing for males to do is not marry, or not get involved with a woman seriously, in this kind of situation. Spread your seeds and let the society take care of the offspring that might result.

Though for some reason there is a punishment involved if you do just that. So the males are kept disciplined but women never are, in modern system.

So, your thoughts about this subject and predictions about where this is going to lead us.
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PostSubject: Re: Punishment for infidelity: Key to civilization? Punishment for infidelity: Key to civilization? EmptyTue Dec 06, 2022 11:48 am

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So how can individuals trust each other in this matter? Why would anyone marry or be in a romantic relationship that is supposed to be based on trust?
I wrote an essay titled A Tentative Defence of Monogamy....I think it's posted on KTS.
In it I describe the only way monogamy is possible for females.

The quick answer is...you can't completely trust.

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There is an essential element missing from the situation that it could be called trust-based or trust-driven.

Because there is a punishment lacking from those who act against the very principles of civilization, the only thing that we can trust is the fact that everyone acts selfish; though I suppose this is true for human-beings no matter what.
Paternalism dealt with this issue.
Now feminization rules.
We are reverting to primal sexual practices, only this time supported by technologies.

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Sidetracking another topic, that is Modern Sexual Dynamics; it seems to me strongly that the best thing for males to do is not marry, or not get involved with a woman seriously, in this kind of situation. Spread your seeds and let the society take care of the offspring that might result.
that was my course....otherwise I would have never reproduced.

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Though for some reason there is a punishment involved if you do just that. So the males are kept disciplined but women never are, in modern system.
Then you must evaluate the costs versus the benefits.

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So, your thoughts about this subject and predictions about where this is going to lead us.
I am short on time, at the moment....
I'll get back to you.
In short...this is going to systemic collapse, and a return to the past, or to racial extinction.

This is a western issue....a product of Americanism.


anyway...
I'll get back to you later for more, if you wish.
This forum has all my views on the issue, if you have the time to explore.

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PostSubject: Re: Punishment for infidelity: Key to civilization? Punishment for infidelity: Key to civilization? EmptyTue Dec 06, 2022 11:51 am

In the USA, many states punish a marital partners infidelity during divorce proceedings by subtracting marital assets from the wrong doer and awarding the lions share to the injured party.

What sort of punishment would you think appropriate for a partner who engaged in intimate acts of a sexual nature outside of monogamy?
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PostSubject: Re: Punishment for infidelity: Key to civilization? Punishment for infidelity: Key to civilization? EmptyWed Dec 07, 2022 6:52 am

Satyr wrote:
Paternalism dealt with this issue.
Now feminization rules.
Exactly.

Satyr wrote:
I'll get back to you later for more, if you wish.
Please do.

Isn't it funny how Christian conservatives (and other "conservatives") don't really acknowledge this problem?

I live in an area where I'm basically surrounded by strongly believing Christians. I get along with them fine, and we can find a common ground in many matters (about the politics of the day).

These Christians are always worrying how in Finland, in every diocese there is a priest who is willing to wed homosexual couples. And how young people are into drugs. And how popular music today is "of the devil" and how marriages are not lasting for more than on average 4 years I think.

I once told one elderly, strongly believing Christian woman, who was worried about all the things I listed above, that I have a little bit of a problem dealing with modern women since they appear to me pretty much disgusting cum guzzlers.

Now this is interesting. This lady nodded her head and said: "You know, I think the solution for your problem is apparent in The Bible, in The Book of Hosea. In the book God tells Hosea to marry a whore, and the blessings would come to him. Maybe you should forgive all these women you find disgusting, perhaps even marry one of them, and the blessings would surely come to you too!"

It's interesting how these Christians moralize everything else about this modern decay, but not people living promiscuously, especially when it comes to women. They should be forgiven and they should be most welcome to the church, according to Christians.

In fact in Finland, the most known convert woman from worldly life to "rebirth in Christ" is a singer, who has lived a very worldly life, to be subtle. She has said that she suffers from drug-addiction and codependency, which led her to series of marriages and loose relationships. Lots of promiscuous sex. Now the funny thing is, she is almost used in Finland as an example of an ideal Christian. This singer has even said that she still struggles with these problems that she has always had. There was absolutely no "rebirth in Christ". She said in one interview that "Jesus has given me permission to be a human."

Almost reminds me of Heismans theory of Jesus' parents: mom a whore and dad a rapist. That was the reality. But after Christian inversion the mom became a sweet and pure virgin and dad became almighty God.

Nietzsche said in Will to Power that moral decadence is a result of physiological decadence, not the other way around. So in this sense there can never be such a thing as "rebirth in Christ". 

If we keep in mind what J.D. Unwin taught us; that is forced monogamy and sexual restrain are absolutely necessary for our civilization to work harmoniously and if we want to sublimate our libidonal energies to something creative, then promiscuity is really the worst kind of crime, which slowly leads to what Christians like to call the Biblical prophecy of "The End Times".

How ironic. Christian morality is the reason why these "end times" are necessarily occuring eventually. And then Christians pretend to be great prophets, making obvious predictions about the situation which they themselves enabled and even promoted.

They promote it by never moralizing promiscuity, never mind how "conservative" positions they have in other matters. At least this is my experience. When I point out the state of modern women (and men) to these Christians, they almost never agree with me, they just call for forgiveness and mercy. But for other matters they are not so forgiving.
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PostSubject: Re: Punishment for infidelity: Key to civilization? Punishment for infidelity: Key to civilization? EmptyWed Dec 07, 2022 7:12 am

Irony that Abrahamic used the fear of the invisible to threaten individuals and force them to contradict their own impulses, but it is also the source of nihilism that was secularized and leads directly to Americanism and its debauchery.
Aryans developed monogamy due to the harshness of the environment, necessitating mate cooperation for a lifetime, and imposing mate exclusivity to invest as many males into tribal welfare as possible.

Take away this harsh environment, replace it with sheltering, regimentation, comfort, and the severity of human choice is reduced.
Add to it spiritual nihilism - Abrahamism progressing to Marxism and now postmodernism - disconnecting language from the tangible world - ideal from reality - and the consequences are degeneracy and desperation.

Feminization is the byproduct of comfort, easy living, safety...
Males adopt feminine mating practices.

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