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"Religion is at the core of the Israel / Palestine conflict. It's critical to understand Judaism. 🔴 pic.twitter.com/Lz5Ckhvp9r

— Adam Green - Know More News (@Know_More_News) October 16, 2023"

ANY DISCUSSION OF the problems relating to Messianism is a delicate matter, for it is here that the essential conflict between Judaism and Christianity has developed and continues to exist. Although our discussion will not be concerned with this conflict, but rather with internally Jewish perspectives on Messianism, it will be of value to recall the central issue of this conflict. A totally different concept of redemption determines the attitude to Messianism in Judaism and in Christianity; what appears to the one as a proud indication of its understanding and a positive achievement of its message is most unequivocally belittled and disputed by the other. Judaism, in all of its forms and manifestations, has always maintained a concept of redemption as an event which takes place publicly, on the stage of history and within the community. It is an occurrence which takes place in the visible world and which cannot be conceived apart from such a visible appearance. In contrast, Christianity conceives of redemption as an event in the spiritual and unseen realm, an event which is reflected in the soul, in the private world of each individual, and which effects an inner transformation which need not correspond to anything outside.
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Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

They seem to ignore the fact that they are not the chosen people.
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"The Anglican Church plans to consider the idea of a gender-neutral God. What can I say? May God forgive them for they know not what they do." — PUTIN pic.twitter.com/m0lQIsiX4J

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Indeed!

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Protestantism is closest to Judaism.....Michael Jones calls it the "revolutionary spirit"...and protesting is a rebellion.

God is not an idol but a complete abstraction.

They merged in Americanism and through Americanism replaced the British Empire.
The entire Anglo-Sphere is first in its progressive movements towards the elimination of biological identifiers: race/ethnicity, sex/gender, culture based no nature etc.
They consider it "enlightenment" to reject the physical and replace it with the intangible, i.e., spirit, idea, abstraction.
The Americano-sphere - homo americanus - is Liberalism imposing itself on the entire universe.
Liberalism = liberation form the body, the tangible, the physical.

It is the great enemy of mankind.
One doesn't have to agree or like other cultures to support their right to continue existing as they have for hundred or even thousands of years.

Messianism is the core of the Abrahamic triad and Americanism.
Jewish 'choseness' has become the American conviction that it is the "indispensable nation" - manifest destiny.


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A Real Case Against Jews

The following is an article written by an American Jew in 1928:

by Marcus Eli Ravage

reprinted from The Century Magazine January 1928

Of course, you do resent us. It is no good telling me you don't. So let us not waste any time on denials and alibis. You know you do, and I know it, and we understand each other. To be sure, some of your best friends are Jews, and all that. I have heard that before once or twice, I think. And I know too, that you do not include me personally - "me" being any particular individual Jew - when you fling out at us in your wholesale fashion, because I am, well, so different, don't you know, almost as good as one of yourselves. That little exemption does not, somehow, move me to gratitude; but never mind that now. It is the aggressive, climbing, pushing, materialistic sort you dislike - those, in a world, who remind you so much of your own up-and-coming brethren. We understand each other perfectly. I don't hold it against you.

Bless my soul, I do not blame anybody for disliking anybody. The thing that intrigues me about this anti-Jewish business, as you play at it, you make such fantastic and transparent excuses, you seem to be suffering from self-consciousness so horribly, that if the performance were not so grotesque it would be irritating.

It is not as if you were amateurs: you have been at it for over fifteen centuries. Yet watching you and hearing your childish pretexts, one might get the impression that you did not know yourselves what it is all about. You resent us, but you cannot clearly say why. You think up a new excuse - a "reason" is what you call it - every other day. You have been piling up justification for yourself these many hundreds of years and each new invention is more laughable than the last and each new excuse contradicts and annihilates the last.

Not so many years ago I used to hear that we were money-grubbers and commercial materialists; now the complaint is being whispered around that no art and no profession is safe against Jewish invasion.

We are, if you are to be believed, at once clannish and exclusive, and unassimilable because we won't intermarry with you, and we are also climbers and pushers and a menace to your racial integrity.

Our standard of living is so low that we create your slums and sweat industries, and so high that we crowd you out of your best residential sections. We shirk our patriotic duty in wartime because we are pacifists by nature and tradition, and we are the arch-plotters of universal wars and the chief beneficiaries of those wars (see "The protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion".)

We are at once the founders and leading adherents of capitalism and the chief perpetrators of the rebellion against capitalism.

Surely, history has nothing like us for versatility!

And oh! I almost forgot the reasons of reasons. We are the stiff-necked people who never accepted Christianity, and we are the criminal people who crucified its founder.

But I tell you, you are self-deceivers. You lack either the self-knowledge or the mettle to face the facts squarely and own up to the truth. You resent the Jew not because, as some of you seem to think, we crucified Jesus but because we gave him birth. Your real quarrel with us is not that we have rejected Christianity but that we have imposed it upon you!

Your loose, contradictory charges against us are not a patch on the blackness of our proved historic offence. You accuse us of stirring up revolution in Moscow. Suppose we admit the charge. What of it? Compared with what Paul the Jew of Tarsus accomplished in Rome, the Russian upheavals a mere street brawl.

You make much noise and fury about the undue Jewish influence in your theatres and movie palaces. Very good; granted your complaint is well-founded. But what is that compared to our staggering influence in your churches, your schools, your laws and your governments, and the very thoughts you think every day?

A clumsy Russian forges a set of papers and publishes them in a book called "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" which shows that we plotted to bring on the late World War. You believe that book. All right. For the sake of argument, we will underwrite every word of it. It is genuine and authentic. But what is that besides the unquestionable historical conspiracy which we have carried out, which we never have denied because you never had the courage to charge us with it, and of which the full record is extant for anybody to read?

If you really are serious when you talk of Jewish plots, may I not direct your attention to one worth talking about? What use is it wasting words on the alleged control of your public opinion by Jewish financiers, newspaper owners, and movie magnates, when you might as well justly accuse us of the proved control of your whole civilization by the Jewish Gospels?

You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt. We are intruders. We are disturbers. We are subverters. We have taken your natural world, your ideals, your destiny, and played havoc with them. We have been at the bottom of not merely the latest Great War but of nearly all your wars, not only of the Russian but of nearly every other major revolution in your history. We have brought discord and confusion and frustration into your personal and public life. We are still doing it. No one can tell how long, we shall go on doing it.

Look back a little and see what has happened. Nineteen hundred years ago you were an innocent, care-free pagan race. You worshipped countless Gods and Goddesses, the spirits of the air, of the running streams and of the woodland. You took unblushing pride in the glory of your naked bodies. You carved images of your gods and of the tantalizing human figure. You delighted in the combats of the field, the arena and the battle-ground. War and slavery were fixed institutions in your systems. Disporting yourselves on the hillsides and in the valleys of the great outdoors, you took to speculating on the wonder and mystery of life and laid the foundations of natural science and philosophy. Yours was a noble, sensual culture, unirked by the prickings of the social conscience or by any sentimental questionings about human equality. Who knows what great and glorious destiny might have been yours if we had left you alone.

But we did not leave you alone. We took you in hand and pulled down the beautiful and generous structure you had reared, and changed the whole course of your history. We conquered you as no empire of yours ever subjugated Africa or Asia. And we did it all without bullets, without blood or turmoil, without force of any kind. We did it solely by the irresistible might of our spirit, with ideas, with propaganda.

We made you the willing and unconscious bearers of our mission to the whole world, to the barbarous races of the world, to the countless unborn generations. Without fully understanding what we were doing to you, you became the agents at large of our racial tradition, carrying our gospel to unexplored ends of the earth.

Our tribal customs have become the core of your moral code. Our tribal laws have furnished the basic groundwork of all your august constitutions and legal systems. Our legends and our folk-tales are the sacred lore which you croon to your infants. Our poets have filled your hymnals and your prayer-books. Our national history has become an indispensable part of the learning of your pastors and priests and scholars. Our Kings, our statesmen, our prophets, our warriors are your heroes. Our ancient little country is your Holy Land. Our national literature is your Holy Bible. What our people thought and taught has become inextricable woven into your very speech and tradition, until no one among you can be called educated who is not familiar with our racial heritage.

Jewish artisans and Jewish fishermen are your teachers and your saints, with countless statues carved in their image and innumerable cathedrals raised to their memories. A Jewish maiden is your ideal of motherhood and womanhood. A Jewish rebel-prophet is the central figure in your religious worship. We have pulled down your idols, cast aside your racial inheritance, and substituted for them our God and our traditions. No conquest in history can even remotely compare with this clean sweep of our conquest over you.

How did we do it? Almost by accident. Nearly two thousand years ago in far-off Palestine, our religion had fallen into decay and materialism. Money-changers were in possession of the temple. Degenerate, selfish priests grew fat. Then a young patriot- idealist arose and went about the land calling for a revival of the faith. He had no thought of setting up a new church. Like all the prophets before him, his only aim was to purify and revitalize the old creed. He attacked the priests and drove the money- changers from the temple. This brought him into conflict with the established order and its supporting pillars. The Roman authorities , who were in occupation of the country, fearing his revolutionary agitation as a political effort to oust them, arrested him, tried him and condemned him to death by crucifixion, a common form of execution at that time. The followers of Jesus of Nazereth, mainly slaves and poor workmen, in their bereavement and disappointment, turned away from the world and formed themselves into a brotherhood of pacifists non-resisters, sharing their memory of their crucified leader and living together communistically. They were merely a new sect in Judea, without power or consequence, neither the first nor the last.

Only after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans did the new creed come into prominence. Then a patriotic Jew named Paul or Saul conceived the idea of humbling the Roman power by destroying the morale of its soldiery with the doctrines of love and non- resistance preached by the little sect of Jewish Christians. He became the Apostle to the Gentiles, he who hitherto had been one of the most active persecutors of the band. And so well did Paul do his work that within four centuries the great empire which had subjugated Palestine along with half of the world, was a heap of ruins. And the law which went forth from Zion became the official religion of Rome.

This was the beginning of our dominance in your world. But it was only a beginning. From this time forth your history is little more than a struggle for mastery between your own old pagan spirit and our Jewish spirit. Half your wars, great and little, are religious wars, fought over the interpretation of one thing or another in our teachings. You no sooner broke free from your primitive religious simplicity and attempted the practice of the pagan Roman learning than Luther armed with our Gospel arose to down you and re-enthrone our heritage. Take the three principal revolutions in modern times - the French, the American, and the Russian. What are they but the triumphs of the Jewish idea of social, political and economic justice?

And the end is still a long way off. We still dominate you. At this very moment your churches are torn asunder by a civil war between Fundamentalists and Modernists, that is to say between those who cling to our teachings and traditions literally and those who are striving by slow steps to dispossess us. Again and again the Puritan heritage of Judea breaks out in waves of stage censorship, Sunday blue laws and national prohibition acts. And while these things are happening you twaddle about Jewish influence in the movies.

Is it any wonder you resent us? We have put a clog upon your progress. We have imposed upon you an alien book and an alien faith which you cannot digest, which is at cross-purposes with your native spirit, which keeps you everlasting ill-at-ease, and which you lack the spirit to either reject or accept in full.

In full, of course, you never have accepted our Christian teachings. In your hearts you still are pagans. You still take pride in the glory of the nude human figure. Your social conscience, in spite of all democracy and all your social revolution, is still a pitifully imperfect thing. We have merely divided your soul. confused your impulses and paralysed your desires. In the midst of the battle you are obliged to kneel down to him who commanded you to turn the other cheek, who said "Resist not evil" and "Blessed are the peace-makers". In your lust for gain you are suddenly disturbed by a memory from your Sunday school days about taking no thought for the morrow. In your industrial struggles, when you would smash a strike without compunction, you are suddenly reminded that the poor are blessed and that men are brothers in the Fatherhood of the Lord. And you are about to yield to temptation, your Jewish training puts a deterrent hand on your shoulder and dashes the brimming cup from your lips. You Christians have never become Christianized. To that extent we have failed with you. But we have forever spoiled the fun of paganism for you.

So why should you not resent us? If we were in your place we should probably dislike you more cordially than you do us. But we should make no bones about telling you why. We should not resort to subterfuges and transparent pretext. With millions of painfully respectable Jewish shopkeepers all about us we should not insult your intelligence and your own honesty by talking about communism as a Jewish philosophy. And with millions hard-working impecunious Jewish peddlers and labourers we should make ourselves ridiculous by talking about international capitalism as a Jewish monopoly. No we should go straight to the point. We should contemplate this confused ineffectual muddle which we call civilization, this half- Christian half-pagan medley, and - we should say to you point- blank: "For this mess thanks to you, to your prophets, and your Bible."

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Imagine if there were a group from the mid east who were convinced by viking or greek missionaries that the real god of the universe was Odin or Zeus or something and that their 'holy' land which they are religiously entitled to was in scandinavia or greece ... But christians have been brought to believe this. It's a generational-level spiritual usurpation that has become inherited, to the point where the subject of it believes that it is inherently traditional itself.

And this was 1500-2000 years ago. The position they have in the european world has existed for centuries. Nothing that is going on today is really new.

How did this happen? Why did this happen?

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the reason your hypothetical doesn't work is that Odin and Zeus would not attract the world's downtrodden, desperate, feeble, all those feeling unjustly wronged by nature...
The reason the slave-god of Judaism was so seductive was because of civilizations producing multitudes of people, propagating inferior, unfit mutations.
A god of victimhood.
No coincidence that Christianity spread in Rome's catacombs where the salves were primed to adopt any superstition that offered them hope.

Hellenic or Norse deities and cosmogony narratives, could never have appealed to the growing masses, as the Jew god did, and their Gnostic cosmogony narratives.

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Are you referring to the E. Michael Jones, the Catholic writer, who accuses the Jews of attacking the Catholic Church?

He appears to exploit the Catholic teachings for his own purposes.

The Vatican and most Catholics repudiate anti semitism with the Pope visiting Israel with great pomp and ceremony, sitting on a throne like chair with an upside down cross above his head.

The role of the Catholic Church and most particularly the silence of Pope Pius XII, who served from 1939 to 1958, as millions went off to the gas chambers has dogged Benedict.

I see no difference between Catholicism and Judaism.

How they can join together with their past histories is not deserving to be believed.
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I see no "big difference" between any of the Abrahamic triad, dear.

Protestantism is closest to mother Judaism....
Your holocaust morals are telling.

Catholicism and Orthodoxy have that Platonic Hellenic component that makes it antithetical to Judaism's Magian Afro-Asiatic ideals.
Catholicism is Judaic Gnosticism mixed with a bit of Platonic Idealism.

E. Michael Jones correctly identified Judaism "protesting" spirit....its revolutionary spirit.
Protesting against all earthly authorities. That's Judaism.

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E. Michael Jones correctly identified Judaism "protesting" spirit....its revolutionary spirit.
Protesting against all earthly authorities. That's Judaism.

What is continuous in your arguments against Abrahamic faiths which is a loose term for Judaism, Christianity and Islam solely because all recognize Abraham as their first prophet and there it ends and the profound differences emerge.

You seek out those that have a hatred for the Jews, your Brother Nathanael, also known as Milton Kapner, is a former Jew who became an antisemitic ideologue and propagandist after converting to the Russian Orthodox faith. Brother Nathanael is best known for his highly antisemitic streaming video series. He has referred to the Holocaust as the “holohoax”, called Jews "parasitic" and has called on readers to "save America from Jewish ruin." He maintains a charitable foundation to support his activities, and secondly

You refuse to understand where I am coming from.

It is not from Catholicism, not from Judaism, not from Orthodoxy, not from Protestantism, not from the four major types  of evangelicals: the Baptist tradition, the Holiness and Pentecostal tradition, the Anabaptist tradition, and the Confessional tradition (evangelical Anglicans, pietistic Lutherans, and evangelicals within the Reformed churches.

Your "belief" I assume is singularly from nature and evolution.

My position on Christianity is purely from the source of the Scriptures.

I have yet to find any Church that teaches without their prejudices, without their own ideas to suit their own lifestyles that wont inconvenience them in any way.

Jordan Peterson has lost the way as has E Michael Jones, and the Jews war on Gaza and that is to name a few.  

Please take a moment to look at this video and perhaps you will understand some of what I am trying to say.
Obviously I am not articulate in my views as you have either not understood or refuse to accept my belief, but nevertheless I am sincere.

Israel has unleashed a horrific war of collective punishment against the people of Gaza.

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E. Michael Jones correctly identified Judaism "protesting" spirit....its revolutionary spirit.
Protesting against all earthly authorities. That's Judaism.

What is continuous in your arguments against Abrahamic faiths which is a loose term for Judaism, Christianity and Islam solely because all recognize Abraham as their first prophet and there it ends and the profound differences emerge.
No, dear....I've posted the multiple commonalities between the Abrahamic triad.
You are like those freaks that focus on racial similarities to dismiss races.
You focus on Abrahamic differences to detach their common heritage.

Abraham is but one similarity.
I've mentioned the rest numerous times, but you and your ilk, choose to ignore them.

Listen dear, Christianity and Islam are rooted in Judaism....and Judaism has appropriated from multiple sources....everyone of them was a host Jews parasitically lived off, before they were then expelled.
Ancient-Egypt, Gnosticism, Zoroastrianism. They thieve from all.

Christianity is not complicated; it is Judaized Hellenism.
Zionism is secularized and Hellenised Judaism, whereas Satanism is religious Hellenised Judaism.


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You seek out those that have a hatred for the Jews, your Brother Nathanael, also known as Milton Kapner, is a former Jew who became an antisemitic ideologue and propagandist after converting to the Russian Orthodox faith. Brother Nathanael is best known for his highly antisemitic streaming video series. He has referred to the Holocaust as the “holohoax”, called Jews "parasitic" and has called on readers to "save America from Jewish ruin." He maintains a charitable foundation to support his activities, and secondly
Focus on the reasoning before you attack the source.

Go back in history and see what the ancients said about Judaism.
Were they all wrong, dear?


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You refuse to understand where I am coming from.
You are an Anglo Protestant, who was born and raised under the secular Americanised progressive liberalism of Modernity....I know exactly what you are.
You think you've overcome Abrahamism....and you have not.
You are a child of the enlightenment, dear.....a recovering Abrahamic.


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It is not from Catholicism, not from Judaism, not from Orthodoxy, not from Protestantism, not from the four major types  of evangelicals: the Baptist tradition, the Holiness and Pentecostal tradition, the Anabaptist tradition, and the Confessional tradition (evangelical Anglicans, pietistic Lutherans, and evangelicals within the Reformed churches.
It all comes from the same delusional absolutism.....all messianic and anti-nature.


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Your "belief" I assume is singularly from nature and evolution.
Tell me more.


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My position on Christianity is purely from the source of the Scriptures.
Then you remain Abrahamic...no mater what variant of the same superstitious, messianic, bullshyte, you've ascribed to.


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I have yet to find any Church that teaches without their prejudices, without their own ideas to suit their own lifestyles that wont inconvenience them in any way.
And you never will.


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Jordan Peterson has lost the way as has E Michael Jones, and the Jews war on Gaza and that is to name a few.
Another one of the variants claiming to be the "true variant".....woman, you are typical of the same type.


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Please take a moment to look at this video and perhaps you will understand some of what I am trying to say.
Obviously I am not articulate in my views as you have either not understood or refuse to accept my belief, but nevertheless I am sincere.
You cannot prove to be different from the source you draw from, dear.
You are the same absolutism claiming to be the universal absolute truth.


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Israel has unleashed a horrific war of collective punishment against the people of Gaza.
If you worship the Jew god, you are a Jew, dear.
If you believe Jesus is your saviour, you are a Jew, dear.

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Was Jesus a Jew?

Of course, Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, the synagogues.

He preached from Jewish text, from the Bible. He celebrated the Jewish festivals. He went on pilgrimage to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem where he was under the authority of priests.... He lived, was born, lived, died, taught as a Jew. This is obvious to any casual reader of the gospel text.

What's striking is not so much that he was a Jew but that the gospels make no pretense that he wasn't. The gospels have no sense yet that Jesus was anything other than a Jew. The gospels don't even have a sense that he came to found a new religion, an idea completely foreign to all the gospel text, and completely foreign to Paul. That is an idea which comes about only later.

So, to say that he was a Jew is saying a truism, is simply stating an idea that is so obvious on the face of it, one wonders it even needs to be said.

But, of course, it does need to be said because we all know what happens later in the story, where it turns out that Christianity becomes something other than Judaism and as a result, Jesus in retrospect is seen not as a Jew, but as something else, as a founder of Christianity.
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Freyja wrote:
Was Jesus a Jew?

Of course, Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, the synagogues.
According to the Jews Jesus was a half-breed,....an offspring of rape or adultery.
A child of cuckoldry.

More than a Jew...Jesus was a symbol of Cosmopolitan Judaism - Judaism for all.....Global Judaism.



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So, to say that he was a Jew is saying a truism, is simply stating an idea that is so obvious on the face of it, one wonders it even needs to be said.
More....he preached to the lost and desperate.....he preached in contradiction of Jewish choseness, against the pharisees. He was a rebel....not Jesus but Saul...the way Saul portrayed him.
Saul sold Judaism to the Roman, and the world, contradicting orthodox Judaism's spiritual elitism.
Jesus may not have existed....or was one of the many prophets that roamed the ancient towns claiming to be prophets or representatives speaking on behalf of a god.



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But, of course, it does need to be said because we all know what happens later in the story, where it turns out that Christianity becomes something other than Judaism and as a result, Jesus in retrospect is seen not as a Jew, but as something else, as a founder of Christianity.
Dear....Judaism believes in the Gnostic Demiurge....both good and evil...both male and female.
Christianity and Islam separates the two and worships the positive, order, the good, whereas Judaism has the advantage of worshipping the evil, chaos...disorder, rebelliousness against all forms of order.
This means they are shameless.....nothing prevents them from doing whatever it takes to survive.
Islam and Christianity are limited....Judaism is not.

All three are anti-nature, replacing the tangible, the perceptible with semiotics.

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Abrahamism  - Page 5 EmptyThu Oct 19, 2023 3:43 am

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According to the Jews Jesus was a half-breed,....an offspring of rape or adultery.
A child of cuckoldry.

In response to His claims, the religious leaders of Jerusalem have gone so far as to question Jesus' birth.
They did this by insinuating that He was "born of sexual immorality," which was an attack on His mother.
All of this is grounded in a refusal to accept His message which they do not understand specifically because they have no intent to listen.
Unable to give reasonable answers, those opposed resort to petty insults.
Unfortunately, this tactic is still common in debates today, where mocking and slurs take the place of actual discussion.

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Abrahamism  - Page 5 EmptyThu Oct 19, 2023 7:18 am

It makes sense, dear.
If we put aside the superstitions and take the story as if it were a common one.

A child born of a Semite mother and a European father would look different, so Mary and Jospeh left their village and went to one where they were strangers and concocted, as was usual at that time, a story to explain why Mary
s baby would look different.
They came up with the god cucked Joseph, or raped Mary.
But, then why would Mary keep the baby?
There must have been ways, back then, to abort unwanted pregnancies.
The only logical explanation is that Mary had consensual sex with a Roman, and Joseph might have been infertile or impotent....or pussy-whipped.
The boy grew up looking different, making him the topic of gossip.
He must have used the story his mother concocted to claim to be a prophet or god's emissary, as was typical back then.

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The virgin birth theme was not new.
Many deities have a similar storyline.

I recall Dionysius, as being one.

In the documentary Zeitgeist they go through it.


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Jews are obsessed with incest - see Freud's Oedipal complex - because they practice in-breeding to preserve their ideologically based ethnicity.
Judaism's matrilineal inheritance of identity makes incest a method of preserving male certainty that the offspring are related to the male no matter who fathered them.

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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Abrahamism  - Page 5 EmptyFri Oct 20, 2023 7:47 pm

Where does one start!
Divine and semi divine.

The following is a family tree of gods, goddesses, and other divine and semi-divine figures from Ancient Greek mythology and Ancient Greek religion, (which I believe you worship).  

It must be time consuming.

Chaos
The Void
Tartarus
The Abyss Gaia
The Earth Eros
Desire[a] Erebus
Darkness Nyx
The Night
Moros
Doom Oneiroi
Dreams Nemesis
Retribution Momus
Blame Philotes
Affection Geras
Aging
Typhon Uranus
The Sky Ourea
Mountains Pontus
The Sea Aether
Heaven Hemera
The Day
Thanatos
Death Hypnos
Sleep Eris
Strife Apate
Deceit Oizys
Distress
Erinyes Gigantes Meliae Aphrodite Hecatonchires Titans Cyclopes Echidna Hesperides[c] Keres Moirae Charon
Oceanus Tethys Hyperion Theia Coeus Phoebe Cronus Rhea Themis Mnemosyne Crius Iapetus
Oceanids Clymene Helios
Sun Eos
Dawn Asteria Demeter Hestia[d] Hera Prometheus Epimetheus
Inachus Melia Heliades Selene
Moon Leto Hades Poseidon Zeus Muses Atlas
Io Pleione
Apollo Artemis Persephone Athena Hebe Hephaestus Ares
Amphitrite Hyades Pleiades
Epaphus Dione Enyo Eileithyia
Dryope Maia
Alcmene Semele Hermes Aphrodite[b]
Heracles Dionysus[d] Pan Rhode Peitho Hermaphroditus Eros[a] Harmonia Deimos
Anteros Himeros Phobos


Argus Panoptes is a character in Greek mythology. He was a giant with 100 eyes on his body. Panoptes means all-seeing. Argus was a servant of the goddess Hera and he made an excellent watchman because he never fell asleep.

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If we put aside the superstitions and take the story as if it were a common one.


in this example of so many gods, goddess, etc it would be impossible to put aside superstitions.
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PostSubject: Re: Abrahamism Abrahamism  - Page 5 EmptyFri Oct 20, 2023 8:25 pm

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Jews are obsessed with incest - see Freud's Oedipal complex - because they practice in-breeding to preserve their ideologically based ethnicity.
Judaism's matrilineal inheritance of identity makes incest a method of preserving male certainty that the offspring are related to the male no matter who fathered them.

Modern antisemitism continues to root itself in the claim that Jews are racially distinct.

Are Jews united by a shared religion? Yes
Are Jews a culture? Yes

Jews are not a race.

People who identify as Jewish include individuals of enormously diverse geographic origins and physical appearances,
making the idea that Jews could easily be designated a race in the sense of shared physical or biological characteristics implausible.
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Modern antisemitism continues to root itself in the claim that Jews are racially distinct.
Schlomo and others have debunked the ethnicity of Judaism.
Judaism is a religion, a dogma, a world-view, attempting to become an ethnicity by practicing what I said.

That's why I repeat:
Not all Semites are Jews; not all Jews are Semites.

Their control of media has made Semitism the equivalent to Judaism...so if anyone critiques Judaism or Zionism he is accused of being anti-Semitic.


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Are Jews united by a shared religion? Yes
Are Jews a culture? Yes

Jews are not a race.
No shit.

But they practice social engineering to become a race.....the race that will rule over a mixed amorphous mob of humanity.
This is why they promote miscegenation, all anti-racial, anti-biological identifiers, anti-ehtnicity, anti-culture, and practice the reverse.


Open borders, mass migrations, for all, except in Israel.

If you look into NGO across Europe you will find the same culprits behind them.

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Transexuality goes back to the Gnostic Demiurge, through Judaism's howardite god - good/evil but also male/female.
Tikkun Olam = nullification of natural diversity.

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The are the "chosen" people who brought ethics to mankind.
This is the root of Christianity and Islam.

To find their roots look into their history in ancient-Egypt, Babylon: Gnosticism, Zoroastrianism, Egyptian death cults and the Pharoh Akhenaten.

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