Satyr Trying To Psycho Analyze Me

Satyr I thought this little skit between you and I deserved it's own thread.

I would of replied sooner but I was too busy getting drunk last night taking a stroll within the city with pals.

Now without further due.

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Satyr: Is this unifying hope how you deal with your own detachment?

How do you think I am detached?

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Am I? Was that the closest you could come to a "creative insult"?

Stick around for awhile Satyr in that I am sure we can come up with some better insults towards each other together.

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Have I given you the impression that I want you to be "nice" to me?

No you haven't. I'm just wondering that if I'm brazen enough to challenge you and defend myself how long it will take you to put me on moderation or ban me due to your inability to control the encounter.

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No shit?
It explains this post, no?

Yes this post would explain that general perspective.

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It's interesting that you should "respect" someone you are insulted to be compared to.

I respect his independence to think whatever he wants to even if I don't agree with some of what he has to say.

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I think you and he have common traits, on many levels.

Such as?

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No one is ever exactly like an other....he is not even exactly like himself on any given time.
Your similarities are basic, because there's not much about either of you...besides the sex drive and the need to prove yourselves as men amongst men.

I am a man that has a sex drive. Big surprise there.

Prove myself as a man amongst men? Not really. I don't feel the need to prove anything as I make fun of other men all the time in that this whole rat race to me of civilization is nothing more than a spectacular joke or circus to me.

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There's also a shared simplicity, and an idealism almost comical in its disconnection from reality.

Such as?

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In this I would say that you are a kind of combination of Adam and Brian.

With Brian locked up in prison I find it comical of your constant obssession of the man.

I'll make sure the next time I write to him to express all about it.

I also find it interesting your need to compare me to him despite the both of us being vastly different in a variety of areas.

Who is Adam?

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I would be more creatively insulting but I'm afraid it would go over your head, making it moot.

Try me.

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Perhaps you have been insulted in more ways than one, and that you are just now realizing it, after it became more blunt, is indicative of what I was saying.

Oh, really?

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Duly noted.
I suggest that if being welcomed into the group is your goal that you also show the same courtesy towards others...though they might have scorned your sexual advances.
Which brings me to the other point of collusion between you and the my Bitch.

I tried being courteous but that daughter of yours here along with that other whore started a sling of insults to which I naturally reacted in defence.

You need to keep a tighter noose around your pets here Satyr otherwise I'm going to have to euthanize them verbally.

Scorn my sexual advances? I don't care about either Poison or Lilith. I was just having some fun with both of them when it concerns my comments here. I have no interest in internet exchanges beyond the computer.

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I appreciate that and the circumstances that lead to your current state of mind.
In that you are different form the Bitch...you are, at least, young and can be excused.
He, on the other hand, is thirty.

So I'm a bitch now, am I?

Your constant obssession with Brian is very revealing and telling.

Personally I don't think you really know what your talking about.

I just don't think you like me because I'm a challenge to your embraced worldviews.

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the only one I owe anything to is myself and my blood, and my trusted friends.
You are none of those.

Uh-huh....

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Trust is earned...it is the foundation of what is called love...you might be more comfortable with the term friendship.

Uh-huh........

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A loose canon dreaming of death and destruction, casting vengeance here and there, exhibiting no self-discipline...is NOT to be tru8sted, by anyone with brains.

I have discipline just not the kind you may be acquainted with.

At any rate Satyr I'm content with being wild and feral because I'm not looking to become reformed or rehabilitated by anyone and anything.

Conservative culture to me is disgusting and anti life. I constantly spit on it every chance I get.

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I don't know anything about any "dogs" but I am Apollonian in that I seek order...and order I create.

I am all about disorder, chaos, entropy, and wild intoxication revolving around the world's pleasures.

Here the two opposites meet.

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Someone enters my living-room with muddy boots and puts his feet on my table, is spreading his disordering filth on my premises.
I will not tolerate this.

Someone telling me what to think, act, and live as will only meet my intolerance.

The hubris, naivety, and ignorance of authoritarians amuses me.

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The mark of an aware mind is knowing where he is and by whom he is surrounded by...to be sensitive to the surroundings, and to adapt accordingly.

Sounds like a slave to me.

For me the aware mind is a rebel.

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going to McD's with a bunch of bums should not be carried over to a nice restaurant, dining with people with more refined tastes....
There's a time and a place for everything. When you find yourself with pigs you can act like a pig, but when you find yourself amongst gentlemen you must become one or else a pig you remain.

Fuck propriety and all that so called higher culture you take advantage of.

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I know that, and much more.
your behavior suffices.
I can glean from your actions, your opinions, much more than you might think.

So far your doing a horrible job.

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My solitude and my home are my piece of order in a world full of crazies and madmen and idiots...like you.

I think the rest of the world frightens you which is one of the reasons you hide in your barricade.

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Perhaps the idea of having enough self-respect and pride in one's self to be willing to choose isolation to insanity might seem strange to you...but not all share your simplicity.

Here I thought my own narcissism was astounding.

Yours is marvelous on so many levels Satyr.

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But being a recluse does not mean one is not open to the world, boy.
In this day and age you don't have to go anywhere, as the world passes right before your eyes.

The internet only does not count Satyr.

You truly need to expirience it to get a feel for it.

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And, by the way, I too was twenty and full of the gumption....I too dreamed of being a con-artist and making a living outsmarting idiots....and like me you shall learn.

What shall I learn?

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Meanwhile I go exploring out in the world actually living instead of lingering in some tomb.
I consider it my museum...but I am in a different time in my life, boy.
I have a son, a job, payments to make...I lack the energies, I know enough to not go after the fake and what promises more than it can deliver.
My apartment has doors and windows, some of them electronic gateways to the world, and I have seen and tasted much of what you still think will bring you joy.

By all means explain more.

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My relationship with communism lasted...a summer...and I had dead relatives, and a grandfather, adequately named Bolshevik in his town.
For me the idea of communism was personal, not a way of getting off work and dreaming of a world where I didn't have to pay.
I got over it.

I flirted with communism too. I don't consider myself communist anymore despite my short stint with it.

Anymore I embrace individual anarchism.

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This is a common defensive tactic amongst the average.
Franky, I would be surprised if you said anything other than this.

Thanks for not surprising me....I hate surprises, even good ones.

You don't sound beyond average to me so why your trying to elevate yourself as somthing other is beyond me.

Tell us about your childhood.

I put on my glasses and everything.

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Tell us about your childhood.

I put on my glasses and everything.

Within time........

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For me the aware mind is a rebel.

This is the key to Joker's psyche: firmly reactionary. This is why I throw around the term ressentiment so often with regard to you, Joker.

TheJoker wrote:

Satyr I thought this little skit between you and I deserved it's own thread.

I would of replied sooner but I was too busy getting drunk last night taking a stroll within the city with pals.

Now without further due.

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Why do you suppose I would tell you the truth?
Do you think I care?

TheJoker wrote:

How do you think I am detached?

You have a child-like innocence in your thinking...a naivete which comes across as vulgar and violent but it is rooted in deep insecurity and a boyish desire to prove himself worthy of the title "man".

You constantly overestimate or underestimate everything you come across, making a victim of untold moments of disappointment and the anger that comes of it and unnecessary moments of turmoil and the fear that comes of it.

your last threat was an indication of fear coming across as anger.

TheJoker wrote:

No you haven't. I'm just wondering that if I'm brazen enough to challenge you and defend myself how long it will take you to put me on moderation or ban me due to your inability to control the encounter.

Having witnessed you "thinking" over some time now, I can safely say, with some degree of confidence, that the only thing you can challenge anyone with a slightly above the average intellect is posturing, vulgarity and teenage angst.

Having been told a bit about your past, I can be empathic but not necessarily sympathetic towards your plight.
The absence of a strong and supportive father figure is evident in you, and your sexual obsession reveals a yet to be satiated sexuality or a pretense which inflates your libido so as to seem more manly in accordance to modern-day hyper-masculine displays.

TheJoker wrote:

I respect his independence to think whatever he wants to even if I don't agree with some of what he has to say.

"respect" as I have noted on many occasinos is rooted in fear.
A fear of loss.
Either the fear of the loss the other might inflict upon you, or the fear of the loss of the others presence or loyalty or withholding what you get form him/her.

In this case the reciprocity is evident, in that both of you share that vulgar, unsubstantiated desire to be seen as more than what you actually are.
You mutually support each others delusions, in the presence of mounting threats to both, finding in each other a loyal "friend" of circumstance, if you will.

The anti-society stance is an indication of wishing to become the alpha male in the presence of a system that prevents it, except for symbolic positions of institutional power, and punishes anyone who tries to usurp its dominant male character.

TheJoker wrote:

I am a man that has a sex drive. Big surprise there.

only yours circumvents your reason, making you a victim of your own libido.
You see libido can be focused...either pro-creatively or creatively.

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Prove myself as a man amongst men? Not really. I don't feel the need to prove anything as I make fun of other men all the time in that this whole rat race to me of civilization is nothing more than a spectacular joke or circus to me.

And yet, your actions like Bates - noted by without-music, in another thread, contradicts your ideas. or your self-awareness.

TheJoker wrote:

Such as?

The idea of changing the world to a degree which is contradicted by historical evidence, unless you count the cataclysms of nature, such as this return to some ambiguous form of anarchy which is totally disconnected from the original idea proposed by Bakunin, speaks of a man-child wishing to destroy the world and himself in it, so that he may remake himself, his past in effect, and the world in accordance to a fantasy.

Fantasy is defined, by me, as the imagination unhinged, to whatever degree, from reality.
In its extreme and if the mind begins living in it, it becomes what is referred to as "delusion".... or when it becomes permanent it may be called schizophrenia.

In the latter the mind, due to some traumatic event or its inability to cope with a world which is constantly disappointing and hurting it, because it has not managed to judge it accurately, falls back on a defensive measure to prevent its total demise: it retreats back into its earlier fantasies...sometimes so far back that it reverts to a state of infancy.

I myself have attempted to explore the phenomenon in a social context in this thread:
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In it I connect the social variety to sheltering and this feeding of ideas and ideals to the mind, from childhood, that exceed its capacity to attain. This is mostly designed to produce constant stress and activity...as contentment results in apathy and inactivity.

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With Brian locked up in prison I find it comical of your constant obssession of the man.

I am interested in him, as I am in you and Adam....from a purely theoretical standpoint, as I am interested in any specimen of human nature which exceeds the norm in some capacity, revealing the overall truth about all human beings living within a particular environment.
My interest, I assure you, ends there...as I have found, from personal experience, that these same types, these specimens, are dull in every other aspect of their character and are entirely their anomaly in regards to the average.
For instance another anomaly, a pedophile, is completely taken over by his attraction to what is socially and cultural prohibited. It is his defining characteristic and is bland in every other respect.

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I'll make sure the next time I write to him to express all about it.

I'm sure he'll e flattered.

Perhaps one day you can both laugh about it in Belize.

Send him my regards.

TheJoker wrote:

I also find it interesting your need to compare me to him despite the both of us being vastly different in a variety of areas.

Of course no two people are every perfectly alike, but in the dominant character traits you share a common nature without it being perfectly aligned.

TheJoker wrote:

I tried being courteous but that daughter of yours here along with that other whore started a sling of insults to which I naturally reacted in defence.

Then she got the better of you.

I too was assaulted by her, once upon a time.
At the end she asked to contact me.

You see, man-child, girls and women test their potential mates by assaulting them first. It's how tey determine their real qualities behind the bravado, puffed up chest and those empty words of self-flattery.

If she is my "daughter", though I doubt how much of an effect I can have from this distance, then she'll become more discriminating and, in time, she will not even see men-children, like you.

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You need to keep a tighter noose around your pets here Satyr otherwise I'm going to have to euthanize them verbally.

Your machismo, speckled with a bit of envy, is dully noted, young "buck".
I would think a man, of your stature, dreams of being so influential to pretty young girls, as my Bitch does...because even here you share a common tactic, word for word. .

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Scorn my sexual advances? I don't care about either Poison or Lilith. I was just having some fun with both of them when it concerns my comments here. I have no interest in internet exchanges beyond the computer.

Well then, all that remains to be seen is if you can actually show this indifference in real time, and not simply state it with words and words....

This was the problem the Bitch had, has....he does not understand what words are.
He, it, she, thinks, thought, that merely stating a word often enough, or convincing someone of it, that reality was changed by it.
See?
This is delusion...being detached from reality living in the fantasy-world of your own creation.

TheJoker wrote:

I just don't think you like me because I'm a challenge to your embraced worldviews.

From what I know of your "world-views" childish as they are, is that they showed deference to mine...they at least never contradicted them.
Here, once more, your similarity with the Adam, my Bitch who has been following me around for years, is uncanny. He too, just like you, comforts himself with this thought; he too chooses to explain every slight against him as a product of his immense powers.

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At any rate Satyr I'm content with being wild and feral because I'm not looking to become reformed or rehabilitated by anyone and anything.

Ten much pain still awaits you. It might even break you or cause a cost you will be paying for a lifetime.
Either way you are an interesting case a nd I would hope you stick around.

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Conservative culture to me is disgusting and anti life. I constantly spit on it every chance I get.

Are you a liberal then?

Here;'s a little teed-bit from my own thoughts on the matter of right and left:
Against popular sentiment right-wing is a masculine attitude, as it is rebellious against the natural state of constant change: order is resisting constant entropy.

Liberalism progressiveness, what has been associated with the modern day left, is feminine in attitude. It simply tears down resistance, promises relief, as it promises a surrender to the status quo of change.
One need not legislate change because it happens naturally. A progressive simply, wishes to progress faster towards total dis-assimilation, fragmentation, until nothing of distinction is left: the emptiness....But, of course, it also contradicts its own premises by retaining consciousness, just as a christian dreams of dying and going to heaven, but he keeps his soul, his spirit, his memories in other words...his past.

It's a convenient little ploy, one you, despite your brilliance, have fallen for, hook, line and sinker.
So when you hope for anarchy, the absence of order, you are being a woman...but you hate order because it is another man's order...and with this I can relate.

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I am all about disorder, chaos, entropy, and wild intoxication revolving around the world's pleasures.

Here the two opposites meet.

Yes, yes, the ecstasy of Dionysus, the madness...hedonism unbridled....sexual pleasure....THAT's the feminine.

I've gone over it in my thesis on feminization, but not enough. I am currently adding to it what I neglected and was not aware of.....like Weininger's, and Baudrillard's and Heisman's and a few others take on it.
Your hyper-masculinity is a reaction to your growing effeteness. It is an exaggerated reaction to being mentally castrated.

Someone telling me what to think, act, and live as will only meet my intolerance.

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The hubris, naivety, and ignorance of authoritarians amuses me.

Maybe you should study it...because you are a budding authoritarian, revolting against an others. You just don't nkow how to instill order in your life, in your world.
A man, establishes order, boy.
All these thinkers when they think up these theories and world-views are proposing ORDER, you dumb boy.
Consciousness is an ordering...the more ordered it is, the more harmonious this internal, at first,order is, the more aware the mind is.
This then is projected outward wanmtin gto replicate the internal order, the noumenon, into the world of disordering, the phenomenon.

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I think the rest of the world frightens you which is one of the reasons you hide in your barricade.

Fear is a part of nature...how one react to it determines his courage.

Boy, do you imagine that I do not leave my house?
What for you is new, is for me old and done with.
But then simpletons can go out dancing and drinking amongst the rabble and be content with this repetitive activity....I have no such desires.
But feel free to speculate.

TheJoker wrote:

Here I thought my own narcissism was astounding.

If you think pride and self-respect are narcissistic, then feel free to never feel them.

TheJoker wrote:

What shall I learn?

Why would I tell you and ruin my pleasure of seeing you discover it no your own...but alas, I fear you will not share.

TheJoker wrote:

You don't sound beyond average to me so why your trying to elevate yourself as somthing other is beyond me.

Words, contradicted by actions.
I've learned to not listen to the words of children nor those of females....they say things they erase with their activities.

It's a joy to behold, if you do not take it seriously.

My self-love has been a product of years of self-hate.
I've had to justify myself to myself.
You went straight to the love, boy.

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Satyr: Why do you suppose I would tell you the truth?
Do you think I care?

You must care a little bit otherwise you wouldn't of replied with such a lengthy post consuming time of your daily existence.

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You have a child-like innocence in your thinking...a naivete which comes across as vulgar and violent but it is rooted in deep insecurity and a boyish desire to prove himself worthy of the title "man".

A naivety and boyish desire? I don't see it.

I need some indepth descriptions here Satyr as examples would be helpful otherwise, how am I to respond to these accusations?

Your being entirely vague here.

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You constantly overestimate or underestimate everything you come across, making a victim of untold moments of disappointment and the anger that comes of it and unnecessary moments of turmoil and the fear that comes of it.

More generalizations. I want concrete examples Satyr. Give me somthing here to go with.

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your last threat was an indication of fear coming across as anger.

Which threat was that?

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Having witnessed you "thinking" over some time now, I can safely say, with some degree of confidence, that the only thing you can challenge anyone with a slightly above the average intellect is posturing, vulgarity and teenage angst.

Is that it? Then I would say you haven't obviously learned anything about me at all or take the time to really listen to what I have been saying.

Over the couple of years of acquiring a sense of intelligence I would think my present self has accomplished more than that of my younger years.

I've surpassed my intellect of my youth quite a bit.

Although I'm not foolish to say that I'm done learning of the world around me.

I'm constantly studying and observing everything around myself daily.

Everyday is always a adventure for me. Just the way I like it.

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Having been told a bit about your past, I can be empathic but not necessarily sympathetic towards your plight.

I see Poison has been running her mouth to you. I swear I sometimes regret ever meeting her.

Well she only knows half the story which means you don't know the entirety of everything that is me.

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The absence of a strong and supportive father figure is evident in you,

Well I grew up as a orphan where I've learned everything on my own.

I've become comfortable with that because it has only made me more self exploring.

If anything it has been a advantage and not one of disadvantage.

It has been a amazing strength not a weakness.

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and your sexual obsession reveals a yet to be satiated sexuality or a pretense which inflates your libido so as to seem more manly in accordance to modern-day hyper-masculine displays.

Between you and me Satyr I'm like that because I'm just really horny all the time.

Everyday is like living with a constant hard on.

The first woman I get here I'm going to be like a damn yellow stone geyser with upon release.





By the way on my route to Seattle I got to see yellowstone, the painted canyons, and glacier park.

I'm a big fan of state wilderness natural parks.

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"respect" as I have noted on many occasinos is rooted in fear.
A fear of loss.
Either the fear of the loss the other might inflict upon you, or the fear of the loss of the others presence or loyalty or withholding what you get form him/her.

It can be but not entirely as there is always admiration through respect as well.

I admire Purple's ability to believe in whatever he wants despite a majority of people heckling him all the time. That takes a strong type of conviction and devotion on his part despite what others here may think of him as a man or person.

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In this case the reciprocity is evident, in that both of you share that vulgar, unsubstantiated desire to be seen as more than what you actually are.
You mutually support each others delusions, in the presence of mounting threats to both, finding in each other a loyal "friend" of circumstance, if you will.

I'll give you this much Satyr on that interesting prognosis of yours that people like myself and Purple are matters of consequence of this age we live in.

Perhaps there is a shared circumstance but what does it matter?

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in that both of you share that vulgar, unsubstantiated desire to be seen as more than what you actually are.

Maybe. The individual has a way of being drowned out by the collective psychosis of the majority and masses.

Maybe I can't quite help but violently lashing out against the world around me as a sort of reaction.

Who likes marginalization and actively seeks it out?

This is nothing new in history though. They're are always rebels and instigators of every age.

If anything I embrace it where I am honest with what I am.

I'm a outcast in constant exile.

Atleast I fight back and am proactive in overcoming. Anybody can give up and relinquish in self pity of which is somthing I'll never be apt to do.

As for delusions who here or anywhere isn't delusional to some degree?

If you think your not I would say your conceited.

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The anti-society stance is an indication of wishing to become the alpha male in the presence of a system that prevents it, except for symbolic positions of institutional power, and punishes anyone who tries to usurp its dominant male character.

I just don't like authority of any kind. I don't like others trying to control me and dictate what I do in life.

I value individual and self independence when it concerns preservation. Anybody else that doesn't is a slave in my book.

As for your alpha characterization on things I would say you and I both know that this life is a competitive game. Of course I'm going to try and compete my way up on the top of the food chain the best effective way that I can.

There are only winners and losers where I have no intentions of losing.

This existence is a zero sum game.

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only yours circumvents your reason, making you a victim of your own libido.
You see libido can be focused...either pro-creatively or creatively.

Sex, women, and being a adrenaline junkie are my vices.

Everybody has vices which includes even you.

I can admit mine without any problems in that I can laugh at them.

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And yet, your actions like Bates - noted by without-music, in another thread, contradicts your ideas. or your self-awareness.

I don't even know what your trying to describe or discuss about there with all of that.

Where were we? Ah, yes now I remember........


I wasn't able to finish our conversation last night because I was too busy talking to a fascinating Libyan traveller within this hotel I am staying at.

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Satyr: The idea of changing the world to a degree which is contradicted by historical evidence, unless you count the cataclysms of nature, such as this return to some ambiguous form of anarchy which is totally disconnected from the original idea proposed by Bakunin

Bakunin was a socialized anarchist like many of that period that advocated collectivism.

I'm more of a supporter of the individualist anarchist movement which you can find in the writings of Max Stirner. I don't like socialist or collectivist anarchists.

I don't like Bakunin.

I don't have to change the world as it does all of that on it's own through constant shifting patterns and sequences that it takes form.

At this point and juncture the world is filled up with so much instability that the likelyhood of some global shift taking place I think is very close especially when you have a very possible global economical collapse taking place into the near picture.

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, speaks of a man-child wishing to destroy the world and himself in it, so that he may remake himself, his past in effect, and the world in accordance to a fantasy.

I don't live in fantasy. I project all my ideas and perspectives in what is firmly grasped in reality.

Yes I do wish to transform myself into the world and no I do not make any secret that the current world of existence that I despise I would like nothing better than to see it's destruction.

Where is your esteemed criticism of all of this Satyr?

You insult me without offering any recourses of your own.

Do you have any?

You obviously perceive things differently.

Where is your arguement against what I believe and perceive?

Challenge me if you dare.

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Fantasy is defined, by me, as the imagination unhinged, to whatever degree, from reality.
In its extreme and if the mind begins living in it, it becomes what is referred to as "delusion".... or when it becomes permanent it may be called schizophrenia.

Such comical simplicity Satyr.

What is this reality you speak of that makes you perceive me to be a delusional or schizophrenic?



Where does delusion end and reality begin?

What is our measurement and guide to go by?

I personally think that all so called true realities are beyond knowing or comprehending leaving all human beings with nothing more than reckless delusions in one form and another.

You think your under less delusions than myself?

In the world of madness were all deluded in some sense where the only differences lies in the degrees.

Humanity is a small child sifting through the cosmic darkness that surrounds it always accompanied by the ever presence of fear or trembling. It will create any sense of false comfort and security to project the delusion of safety or a firm grasp of it's environment.

Can you prove me incorrectly in all of this?

Manchild? I always see you describing male individuals that you dislike or have a disgust with under that title of insult. This is because you believe in some ridiculous sense of propriety under some fantastic cultural metanarrative in that worldview of social order you so desperately cling onto.

I've transcended and moved beyond that Satyr.

If anything such world views to me are childish in that only the frail minded embrace such views.

Could I call you a man child now?

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In the latter the mind, due to some traumatic event or its inability to cope with a world which is constantly disappointing and hurting it, because it has not managed to judge it accurately, falls back on a defensive measure to prevent its total demise: it retreats back into its earlier fantasies...sometimes so far back that it reverts to a state of infancy.

Individuals retreat into themselves for all sorts of reasons.

So what?

You seem to think that everything is cut in stone where individuals need to conform, adapt, and assimilate with the world around themselves where if they don't they're failures.

Fuck all of that. I'd say the world needs to conform,adapt, and assimilate with my perceived consciousness or sense of awareness.

I don't exist to suit the rest of the world. The world exists to suit me and my own.

I don't exist to indulge the rest of the world. The world exists to indulge me.

The world is my playground and chessboard.

One way or another I'm going to make the world conform to me.

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I am interested in him, as I am in you and Adam....from a purely theoretical standpoint, as I am interested in any specimen of human nature which exceeds the norm in some capacity, revealing the overall truth about all human beings living within a particular environment.

I think your comparisons are pretty vague and weak Satyr.

Hey, if I can be of some use in entertainment for you than whatever I guess.

Just make sure to entertain me back in mutual exchange. I need my amusement too.

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My interest, I assure you, ends there...as I have found, from personal experience, that these same types, these specimens, are dull in every other aspect of their character and are entirely their anomaly in regards to the average.

Dull? Your starting to hurt my feelings here Satyr with sentences or utterings like that.

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For instance another anomaly, a pedophile, is completely taken over by his attraction to what is socially and cultural prohibited. It is his defining characteristic and is bland in every other respect.

Not sure how you made the move to go all the way in describing pedophiles but whatever.

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I'm sure he'll e flattered.

He will be.

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Perhaps one day you can both laugh about it in Belize.

Actually I'm thinking about retiring in Columbia, Cuba, or Argentina.

Although a recent interaction has lead me to believe that north Africa is the best place to invest.

[Shrugs.]

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Send him my regards.

Will do.

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Then she got the better of you.

Who me? Nah.

She is just another cunt of the world runned by a bunch of bitches in this little western matriarchy of ours.

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I too was assaulted by her, once upon a time.
At the end she asked to contact me.

That's because you are her new daddy.

You have become her father figure coping mechanism or substitute.

In a way how she acts and behaves now is like you having given her birth.

Your her mother and father now. It's very cute and disgusting at the same time from my observation.

Have fun with all of that as this will be a interesting development to watch unfold within the next couple of years.

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You see, man-child, girls and women test their potential mates by assaulting them first. It's how tey determine their real qualities behind the bravado, puffed up chest and those empty words of self-flattery.

Already knew that.

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If she is my "daughter", though I doubt how much of an effect I can have from this distance, then she'll become more discriminating and, in time, she will not even see men-children, like you.

I'd say despite the distance your effect on her is quite powerful and strong as she displays to be the feminine version of Satyr.

She is trying to become like you in every regards mentally only she has breasts and a clit.

For some reason I can imagine her suckling on your male tit in this relationship of yours.

When it concerns knowledge right now she is breast feeding off of you.

Make sure you give her a good nurturing caress every once in awhile.

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in time, she will not even see men-children, like you.

Your hurting my feelings again Satyr.

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Your machismo, speckled with a bit of envy, is dully noted, young "buck".
I would think a man, of your stature, dreams of being so influential to pretty young girls, as my Bitch does...because even here you share a common tactic, word for word. .

Women are disposable creatures Satyr.

Poison is just one cunt out of a endless sea of them.

I really could care less to be frank.

Who knows after you play daddy for awhile you might have the chance to meet her in person going from fatherhood to incest instead.

If you do get to tap her ass you will have to tell me about it sometime.

Brian always did tell me how she had a moist tight cunt that was always satisfying.

You will always have to know in the back of your mind however Satyr if you start fucking her at some point that Brian got to her before you did.

So many more men will get a piece of our forum whore before her life is over beyond you.

Women these days are the most polygamous and hypergamous creatures that it's no wonder that large portions of them don't die from disease.

What can you do with a world full of whores?

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Well then, all that remains to be seen is if you can actually show this indifference in real time, and not simply state it with words and words....

Here I thought I already made myself abundantly clear.

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This was the problem the Bitch had, has....he does not understand what words are.
He, it, she, thinks, thought, that merely stating a word often enough, or convincing someone of it, that reality was changed by it.
See?

What am I supposed to see?

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This is delusion...being detached from reality living in the fantasy-world of your own creation.

You don't have your own delusions and fantasies you constantly live in?

Your not convincing me.

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From what I know of your "world-views" childish as they are, is that they showed deference to mine...they at least never contradicted them.
Here, once more, your similarity with the Adam, my Bitch who has been following me around for years, is uncanny. He too, just like you, comforts himself with this thought; he too chooses to explain every slight against him as a product of his immense powers.

Wow, your really full of yourself, aren't you?

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Ten much pain still awaits you. It might even break you or cause a cost you will be paying for a lifetime.

Maybe. In life there are giant risks where I am the risk taker.

I'm not afraid of death or dying.

Sometimes you got to risk everything for the greater reward.

People who don't risk everything including their very selves don't strike me as people expirienced or knowledgeable about themselves and the world around them.

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Either way you are an interesting case a nd I would hope you stick around.

For as long as I can, sure.

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Are you a liberal then?

I'm apolitical. I only care about me, myself, and I where I mock all politics or government.

I think the left right paradigm to be a farce.

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Here;'s a little teed-bit from my own thoughts on the matter of right and left:
Against popular sentiment right-wing is a masculine attitude, as it is rebellious against the natural state of constant change: order is resisting constant entropy.

Liberalism progressiveness, what has been associated with the modern day left, is feminine in attitude. It simply tears down resistance, promises relief, as it promises a surrender to the status quo of change.

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order is resisting constant entropy.

Entropy will always win. It always does in the end.

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One need not legislate change because it happens naturally. A progressive simply, wishes to progress faster towards total dis-assimilation, fragmentation, until nothing of distinction is left: the emptiness....But, of course, it also contradicts its own premises by retaining consciousness, just as a christian dreams of dying and going to heaven, but he keeps his soul, his spirit, his memories in other words...his past.

Interesting.

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It's a convenient little ploy, one you, despite your brilliance, have fallen for, hook, line and sinker.
So when you hope for anarchy, the absence of order, you are being a woman...

Actually it's the woman's desire to feel the need to be in control, protected, and secure.

Order can be very feminine looking at the one currently that we live in encompassing the west.

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but you hate order because it is another man's order...and with this I can relate.

Yes I do.

For me there is only one kind of order which is my own where everything else is just a interference of my self.

Why are you wearing sunglasses?

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Why are you wearing sunglasses?

Because I can. I'm a hipster.

Can't help but think that your time, both of you, could be put to better use.
Or is the journey to self-knowledge so dependent on an interlocutor?

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Can't help but think that your time, both of you, could be put to better use.
Or is the journey to self-knowledge so dependent on an interlocutor?

I do other things besides chat on the internet.

At the moment I'm in a art gallery getting my portrait drawn while I help run the place.

First of all, Joker, it's nice to see you as you actually are.

Secondly, I warned you.

And lastly, despite your misogamy which is half right/half wrong, I still say you are a far more effective representative of the common cause you share with Satyr. And I will repeat why and hope that Satyr reads it:

The common cause is a kind of degenerate position that puts into question mainstream values, much like Bukowski did.

Now when I read you describing how you masturbate in front of the TV 3 times a day, or add up the cost of robbing a bank, I laugh along with you. It is as if you are looking at my little forms of madness and saying:

You think you're depraved, watch this.

And as Deluez said about friendship in an interview:


Friendship is a matter of knowing the other's madness. Until you know their madness, they cannot be your friend.

And even your misogamy is a means of pushing the frustrations all men feel about women to a point that is beyond what those men actually feel. Your anger towards women, even if I don't agree with it, is not that different than describing yourself masturbating in front of the TV or adding up the cost of robbing a bank. It's a little like the same amusement we feel hearing Schopenhauer say that women shouldn't be allowed in the opera because all they will do is gab through most of it. We know it's not true; but we laugh because we understand his frustration.

Satyr, on the other hand, doesn't wink as he demonstrates his depravity. He is always clearly serious:

You either follow him or you don't.

Satyr wants everyone to see his madness without having to see theirs. Their madness is only something to exploit. He wants everyone to be his friend without having to be theirs.

Which is a kind of madness if you think about it.

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You insult me without offering any recourses of your own.

Do you have any?

Do you seek solutions?
And if I offer my own, would I not be asking for followers?

I describe the world, what you do with this information is your own business.

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You obviously perceive things differently.

I'm more of an ascetic.
Less is more.

In Camus (The Rebel) I read that Dostoevsky ushered in the age of Nihilism to which Nietzsche gave definitions and predictions.
Ivan, in Brothers Karamazov realizes that when God is dead "everything is permitted" and he reaches a conundrum as he is unable to kill or justify the suffering of children.
He goes mad.
Ivan is the decadence of modernity when it has ceased to believe in anything. Nihilism drowning in hedonism.

Nietzsche and Schopenhauer, by the way, reach another solution.
When Gos is dead, "nothing is permitted".
One annuls is order to construct; one rejects in order to more discrimination select.
This is a form of constructive nihilism.

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Challenge me if you dare.

Jesus boy, I've offered yo challenges, but you whether can't understand them or dismiss them with that casual way which indicates that you wish to remain as you are.

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Such comical simplicity Satyr.

What is this reality you speak of that makes you perceive me to be a delusional or schizophrenic?

I know...and yet you still missed it.

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Where does delusion end and reality begin?

What is our measurement and guide to go by?

pragmatism...and if one wishes to avoid the pains of application one makes sure his abstractions, his world view, has as many connections to the world around him as possible.
But you are innocent, because living in this modernistic age you live in a sheltered, simulated reality, as Baudrillard tells us, and so when you compare your ideas you compare them to artifices...hyperbole...fantasies.

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I personally think that all so called true realities are beyond knowing or comprehending leaving all human beings with nothing more than reckless delusions in one form and another.

In other words you are a nihilist.
Nothing matters because all is illusion.
You've just dismissed the world.

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In the world of madness were all deluded in some sense where the only differences lies in the degrees.

Voila!
The quintessential nihilistic argument.
The world does not exist, so I prefer living in my own.

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Humanity is a small child sifting through the cosmic darkness that surrounds it always accompanied by the ever presence of fear or trembling. It will create any sense of false comfort and security to project the delusion of safety or a firm grasp of it's environment.

And?

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Individuals retreat into themselves for all sorts of reasons.

So what?

Detachment.
Yes, you live in a world where your detachment is preferred and protected.

Those who unite or can muster more energies love your brand of "individuality". You're like a piece of paper in the wind.

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I don't exist to suit the rest of the world. The world exists to suit me and my own.

Ha...what a wonderful idealistic dichotomy.

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One way or another I'm going to make the world conform to me.

There's that child-like bravado.
Let me know when I 0coform to your needs.

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I think your comparisons are pretty vague and weak Satyr.

These days I choose to be vague so as to filter out the rif-raf.

I also prefer to not argue...as it goes my interests to say more than I ought to.
I want you to remain as you are.

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Satyr: Detachment.
Yes, you live in a world where your detachment is preferred and protected.

Those who unite or can muster more energies love your brand of "individuality". You're like a piece of paper in the wind. “.

Yeah: conformity has become such a bitch that we are no longer able to recognize it when we’re doing it.

At the same time, the only preferred and protected form of conformity has been that which plays along with the powers that be.

The only paper in the wind has been that which rides the wind of producer/consumer Capitalism.