Randian: Society doesn't owe anybody a living or anything whatsoever. It's up to individuals to produce, achieve, perform, and accomplish a existence themselves.
[Ayn Rand's corpse gives a thumbs up...]
Capitalist, libertarian, and aristocrat: Here, here! Let them eat cake! We are the chosen people put here to lead the world into a brave new future! We are the superior race of human beings! We are the chosen people!
The anarchist: If you don't owe me anything or a living, why should I in return owe you anything at all?
By default I don't owe you my obedience, servitude, labor, and service in your society then if you can't afford me the most basic living, happiness, or means to exist.
I owe you no taxes or expenses of myself.
What is stopping me from burning down your house and dragging your family through your front gates at gunpoint?
There is only one way inevitably this whole situation is going to go down.
Randian: Society doesn't owe anybody a living or anything whatsoever. It's up to individuals to produce, achieve, perform, and accomplish a existence themselves.
[Ayn Rand's corpse gives a thumbs up...]
Capitalist, libertarian, and aristocrat: Here, here! Let them eat cake! We are the chosen people put here to lead the world into a brave new future! We are the superior race of human beings! We are the chosen people!
The anarchist: If you don't owe me anything or a living, why should I in return owe you anything at all?
By default I don't owe you my obedience, servitude, labor, and service in your society then if you can't afford me the most basic living, happiness, or means to exist.
I owe you no taxes or expenses of myself.
What is stopping me from burning down your house and dragging your family through your front gates at gunpoint?
There is only one way inevitably this whole situation is going to go down.
The problem we have here are a lot of pussies who want to think they're bad-asses because they have a little financial success. Because they have succeeded in our world today, they think they are like the frontiersmen of the past. They sit in easy chairs and watch sports because they think the spartan type manliness of the football team they are watching is somehow theirs by proxy.
I mean given the do or die situation that our corporate masters offer us, the conformity it requires in order to stay on the train, is it any wonder a Joker would emerge?
Satyr, on the other hand, proves himself to be the bitch of those corporate masters. He's just doing it in a novel way.
Now let's be very clear on this,
in a very authoritarian way:
The Republican/Libertarian persective should be obsolete by any criteria of a truly evolved society.
Global producer/consumer Capitalism is little more than the result of residual primates.
what right does a yuppie have to complain about the guy that carjacked his BMW?
If we live in a world of ruthless existential social competition then disobedience, violence, and conflict should be praised in which case if I can go up to yourself shooting you in the face by taking all your belongings that is just my superior usage of skills being utilized where you failed in adapting or surviving to them.
Surely the capitalist must understand this is all merely just effective business negotiating on my part with a gun.
Surely the capitalist must understand that those practices are very La ze fair on my part as a individual pulling the trigger happily.
What's the problem?
Everything looks fine and dandy to me.
Stop trying interfere on the part of my business like some protectionist based socialist!
Let my invisible hand keep on pulling the trigger!
Don't tread on me!
apaosha Daeva
Gender : Posts : 1850 Join date : 2009-08-24 Age : 37 Location : Ireland
Randian: Society doesn't owe anybody a living or anything whatsoever. It's up to individuals to produce, achieve, perform, and accomplish a existence themselves.
[Ayn Rand's corpse gives a thumbs up...]
No, Rand's point is that an individual's place in society correlates to what one offers society. Therefore the employer of men is powerful because he supplies a will and purpose for many instruments. The success of his art is his success.
Can you produce? Can you build? Do you have something to offer? Rand is almost despised by so many simply because so many can only answer no to those questions... and so admit that they are worthless and a burden on society.
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Capitalist, libertarian, and aristocrat: Here, here! Let them eat cake! We are the chosen people put here to lead the world into a brave new future! We are the superior race of human beings! We are the chosen people!
Quaint. We are all equal after all. Shame on him who thinks otherwise.
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The anarchist: If you don't owe me anything or a living, why should I in return owe you anything at all?
By default I don't owe you my obedience, servitude, labor, and service in your society then if you can't afford me the most basic living, happiness, or means to exist.
Here is your resentment, plain to see. Why should anyone "owe" anyone anything? There is no sense of owing in Randian thought. There are only self-interested agents who supply a service in exchange for another service. An exchange of value for value.
If you have nothing to offer, you will not be offered anything. Unless you consider the barrel of a gun and your promise not to pull the trigger an offer of value...
You envy the rich their wealth.... and since you cannot earn it in the same way, you decide to take it. Whether this be through force or by appealing to your inherent "rights" as a human being; your proper maintenance... because apparently you are "owed" this simply by being alive. Or to be more plain: simply because another has it and you want it.
Rand called your kind a looter. And there is no more destructive or self-defeating a force on earth.
So much thought has gone into sparing the weak the consequences of their nature. It came to fruition with the concept of anarchism. So many rules and limitations to protect the slave from his master... and call it "freedom".
Randian: Society doesn't owe anybody a living or anything whatsoever. It's up to individuals to produce, achieve, perform, and accomplish a existence themselves.
[Ayn Rand's corpse gives a thumbs up...]
No, Rand's point is that an individual's place in society correlates to what one offers society. Therefore the employer of men is powerful because he supplies a will and purpose for many instruments. The success of his art is his success.
Can you produce? Can you build? Do you have something to offer? Rand is almost despised by so many simply because so many can only answer no to those questions... and so admit that they are worthless and a burden on society.
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Capitalist, libertarian, and aristocrat: Here, here! Let them eat cake! We are the chosen people put here to lead the world into a brave new future! We are the superior race of human beings! We are the chosen people!
Quaint. We are all equal after all. Shame on him who thinks otherwise.
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The anarchist: If you don't owe me anything or a living, why should I in return owe you anything at all?
By default I don't owe you my obedience, servitude, labor, and service in your society then if you can't afford me the most basic living, happiness, or means to exist.
Here is your resentment, plain to see. Why should anyone "owe" anyone anything? There is no sense of owing in Randian thought. There are only self-interested agents who supply a service in exchange for another service. An exchange of value for value.
If you have nothing to offer, you will not be offered anything. Unless you consider the barrel of a gun and your promise not to pull the trigger an offer of value...
You envy the rich their wealth.... and since you cannot earn it in the same way, you decide to take it. Whether this be through force or by appealing to your inherent "rights" as a human being; your proper maintenance... because apparently you are "owed" this simply by being alive. Or to be more plain: simply because another has it and you want it.
Rand called your kind a looter. And there is no more destructive or self-defeating a force on earth.
So much thought has gone into sparing the weak the consequences of their nature. It came to fruition with the concept of anarchism. So many rules and limitations to protect the slave from his master... and call it "freedom".
Apaosha, have we become a fountain head or atlas shrugged youth devoted Randian?
I'll have you know nothing pleases me more than taking a piss all over her philosophy.
How shall I begin? Oh, I know!
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No, Rand's point is that an individual's place in society correlates to what one offers society. Therefore the employer of men is powerful because he supplies a will and purpose for many instruments. The success of his art is his success.
What is so sacred and profound about society over the individual?
Sometimes societies only desires certain attributes where it neutralizes and abolishes everything else that it views as being non-useful.
At any rate why should collective society dictate individuals?
Why should the individual obey, conform, and slave away to society?
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Therefore the employer of men is powerful because he supplies a will and purpose for many instruments. The success of his art is his success.
His success is his power. That's all there is to it really.
Everything that encompasses him revolves around power.
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Can you produce? Can you build? Do you have something to offer? Rand is almost despised by so many simply because so many can only answer no to those questions... and so admit that they are worthless and a burden on society.
There's that cavalier rich wealthy aristocratic worshipping capitalistic motto that we all love and adore where the elite fetishize collective worship of themselves.
These are same kind of people that build statues and plaques of themselves everywhere as apart of their metanarrative that they are existence's chosen people.
Worthless and a burden on who? The rich, wealthy, and powerful?
Why should I give a fuck about what they think, care, or concern themselves about?
Why are they so special? What are they entitled to?
Why should I concern myself with their fake sense of privilege?
Their interests are not my own. Why should I care?
The only interests that concern me are my own where only my pursuits of myself do I care about.
Society doesn't concern me. They don't concern me. Nothing else matters beyond myself.
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Quaint. We are all equal after all.
I never said that. Inequality is the norm. Always has been and always will be.
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Shame on him who thinks otherwise.
Your words not mine.
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Here is your resentment, plain to see.
Ah, Nietzsche's resentment. Everybody here is so keen to throw it around as of late speaking with me.
Resentment is merely the first stage of rebellion. Rebellion is a natural facet of existence as friction is that proceeds conflict.
Call me a reactionary if you like. I don't give a damn.
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Why should anyone "owe" anyone anything? There is no sense of owing in Randian thought. There are only self-interested agents who supply a service in exchange for another service. An exchange of value for value.
Sounds great on paper. How about a reality check?
The wealthy believe that nobody has rights where there is nobody that is entitled or owed anything within society that is until they themselves become threatened to which they stand firmly in decrying themselves too big and important to fail on their own. Do you see the inherent contradiction?
We both know this bullshit facet of existence is a everyday sort of affair.
Quit blowing smoke up my ass.
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If you have nothing to offer, you will not be offered anything.
Excellent! It's pillaging time!
Time for some good old fashioned wholesome rebellion right there.
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Unless you consider the barrel of a gun and your promise not to pull the trigger an offer of value...
Only if they can reach for their guns fast enough before I pull it on them!
Don't you see how this works Apaosha?
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You envy the rich their wealth.... and since you cannot earn it in the same way, you decide to take it.
And why not? All morality and ethics is bullshit right? God is dead, right?
There is no afterlife or heaven, right?
Life is a game, right?
Fuck it!
The fact that the rich and wealthy despise the looters or slaves is their own form of resentment!
The dead bitch Ayn Rand can chew on that along with all the modern day capitalist or libertarian lackies.
If she was alive still to this day she could suck my cock and feel resentment afterwards about it later on.
There is a great deal of resentment on both sides Apaosha. Your mistaken to view it so simple minded as being entirely just one sided.
In all reality there is resentment on a variety of fronts when it concerns all corners of society and civilization in general.
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Rand called your kind a looter. And there is no more destructive or self-defeating a force on earth.
Excellent! If she was still alive today I'd thank the bitch for the compliment.
Although I would tell her that I prefer the term pirate, thief, or criminal entrepenuer instead.
Looter sounds alright but it just simply doesn't have enough finesse as a term to use.
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So much thought has gone into sparing the weak the consequences of their nature. It came to fruition with the concept of anarchism. So many rules and limitations to protect the slave from his master... and call it "freedom".
Who is really weak dear Apaosha? After all it is the rich or wealthy who must hide insulating themselves amongst their laws, rules, institutions, government and so on never daring to fend for themselves as individuals in independent competition.
It is they who scream the loudest when confronted with their dependencies of the police and so on as they hide behind fictional artificial abstracts like morality or ethics.
Too big and important to fail on our own is the mantra they scream.
It is the rich and so called powerful who isolate themselves in their ivory towers or castles because of their fear of rest of the world around them that resents them so much that they know they are wished to be killed along with being dethroned.
They cry the loudest when occasionally slaves revolt slaughtering hundreds of them time from time within history.
What a world we have of fake masters. I mock them all.
A bunch of spoiled rich kids pretending to be demi gods.
These fake masters would never survive a day in my neck of the woods. I'd have them for lunch and dinner quite literally.
So weak, fragile, and frail these yuppies have become when it concerns being completely dependent on institutions for their entire existence.
I know their true weakness that they try so desperately to hide.
What a bunch of fake gods and supermen.
Want to know what it is like at the bottom on the streets Apaosha?
Anger is slowly boiling to the breaking point to which the poor masses more and more through my ears are crying out for blood. Can you hear it? I know I can. When things boil over what fun there will be!
The eternal antagonisms repeat like they always do. Nature smiles and winks off.
apaosha Daeva
Gender : Posts : 1850 Join date : 2009-08-24 Age : 37 Location : Ireland
What is so sacred and profound about society over the individual?
It's typical of you that you totally miss the point.
Rand describes how to be totally selfish within society - successfully.
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Therefore the employer of men is powerful because he supplies a will and purpose for many instruments. The success of his art is his success.
His success is his power. That's all there is to it really.
Everything that encompasses him revolves around power.
Yes.... and what determines his power, relative to those he employs, those he uses to satisfy his ambition?
Why is he employing them and not the reverse?
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There's that cavalier rich wealthy aristocratic worshipping capitalistic motto that we all love and adore where the elite fetishize collective worship of themselves.
It's true that I am elitist and because of this that I respect accomplishment and ability.
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Worthless and a burden on who? The rich, wealthy, and powerful?
Worthless in the context of society. If you do not have society as a consideration, then this is waivable. A burden in the context of being either a welfare recipient or a criminal, as you style yourself to be.
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I never said that. Inequality is the norm. Always has been and always will be.
So why then do you incessantly complain about the inequalities in society? Do you want to save the world?
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Ah, Nietzsche's resentment.
No. You mean ressentiment, which is a slave morality stemming from a slave's resentment of a Master type or Master morality.
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Resentment is merely the first stage of rebellion. Rebellion is a natural facet of existence as friction is that proceeds conflict.
Call me a reactionary if you like. I don't give a damn.
Ressentiment is the rationalization of weakness, timidity, cowardice and self-hate.
If you see another person, say, and that person exceeds you... and if you invent reasons in your mind as to why that person is in fact an inferior wretch to which you are superior - that is ressentiment. Not only the envy, but the justification and excusal of that envy. An externalization of ones own failings.
For example.... you call the rich and wealthy cowardly because they "hide" behind laws, police, society in general.... from you. The thing is, their knowledge of how to exploit the system is what separates them from you. And it is this that you resent.
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The wealthy believe that nobody has rights
You believe that nobody has rights. Rights are a civilized fiction. Don't be a hypocrite.
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Want to know what it is like at the bottom on the streets Apaosha?
Anger is slowly boiling to the breaking point to which the poor masses more and more through my ears are crying out for blood. Can you hear it? I know I can. When things boil over what fun there will be!
Yes... your impotent and you want to lash out. This has been made more than clear.
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Intellectual coward. You didn't even reply to the entirety of my post.
I'll reply to your post later today as I do have other things to do besides be on the internet all day.
I shall blow it out of the water too my rich worshipping person who prides themselves as one of the elite.
You Randians are obnoxious and contradictive people.
I won't lie when I say that her writing makes great toliet paper.
I missed something? It's mostly trash and emotional appeals. Is there something in particular?
If you want to be sure that I respond to everything you say, then I suggest you refrain from posting before you have entirely written your post... which is your habit. I waited 48 minutes for you. This time.
Intellectual coward. You didn't even reply to the entirety of my post.
I'll reply to your post later today as I do have other things to do besides be on the internet all day.
I shall blow it out of the water too my rich worshipping person who prides themselves as one of the elite.
You Randians are obnoxious and contradictive people.
I won't lie when I say that her writing makes great toliet paper.
I missed something? It's mostly trash and emotional appeals. Is there something in particular?
If you want to be sure that I respond to everything you say, then I suggest you refrain from posting before you have entirely written your post... which is your habit. I waited 48 minutes for you. This time.
Let's talk about the resentiment of the rich and wealthy.
Let's talk about their weaknesses....
Or are the very people you worship beyond reproach?
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It's mostly trash and emotional appeals.
Defamations and excuses. A sign of cowardice.
So desperate to maintain your superiority yet without addressing everything I have to say.
Enjoy your illusion. Atleast I reply back to almost everything a person writes.
Apaosha: It's typical of you that you totally miss the point.
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Rand describes how to be totally selfish within society - successfully
Collectivized selfishness meets capitalistic social dystopia.
What the fuck am I missing?
I'm all for selfishness in it's individualized form it's just I don't care about collectivism and all the entrapement pitfalls of it all.
In other words I don't care about the rest of society rich or poor alike.
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Yes.... and what determines his power, relative to those he employs, those he uses to satisfy his ambition?
Why is he employing them and not the reverse?
Why does any of that matter?
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It's true that I am elitist and because of this that I respect accomplishment and ability.
I could care less what you are or what you think of yourself to be.
It's easy hiding behind words, abstracts, and definitions of ourselves.
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Worthless in the context of society. If you do not have society as a consideration, then this is waivable. A burden in the context of being either a welfare recipient or a criminal, as you style yourself to be.
The rest of society doesn't concern me.
I haven't replaced "God" with " collectivized society" like many of you here seem so apt to do.
Only myself concerns me along with my own ego.
Everybody and everything else is a means to my end.
The collective, society, and all else does not concern me as I only focus on my own desires or needs.
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So why then do you incessantly complain about the inequalities in society? Do you want to save the world?
I am not complaining about the inequalities in society. I'm exposing them as existing so that they can't be dismissed so easily.
I putting them up for everybody to see so that it can no longer be a completely sanitized subject.
I am saying inequality exists and is celebrated by society therefore there is no reason why I can't or shouldn't shoot people in their faces with a assault rifle if I wanted to.
Why should other people's social inequality be allowed where my own becomes outlawed or illegal?
If they can have theirs I certainly can have mine.
This world is beyond salvation or saving.
It's doomed under my perspective where there is no saving it whatsoever.
Self destruction within a pitiful creature that is the embarrassment of the universe is all I see.
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No. You mean ressentiment, which is a slave morality stemming from a slave's resentment of a Master type or Master morality.
Yes I know what the word means and I have read the literature about countless dozens of times.
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Ressentiment is the rationalization of weakness, timidity, cowardice and self-hate.
You get caught up on words, don't you?
Let me guess you think your a perfect creature that lacks all of those.
Who are you fooling? Not even I am that foolish to describing myself as the most superior specimen of human being. I'm entirely fallible. Infact the creature that lacks any of that does not exist.
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If you see another person, say, and that person exceeds you... and if you invent reasons in your mind as to why that person is in fact an inferior wretch to which you are superior - that is ressentiment.
Let's talk about the wealthy, rich, and so called elite's ressentiment.
You worship and idolize them. I bet your some sort of real expert on the issue.
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Not only the envy, but the justification and excusal of that envy. An externalization of ones own failings.
You don't feel envy? Oh that's right, your some sort of superman in your mind.
You don't rationalize your own reasons, motives, and intentions for doing things?
I smell bullshit from a mile away.....
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For example.... you call the rich and wealthy cowardly because they "hide" behind laws, police, society in general.... from you. The thing is, their knowledge of how to exploit the system is what separates them from you. And it is this that you resent.
Is that what it is? Brilliant prognosis.
Now I wonder how much resenting they will do when their entire system comes crumbling down to which all their money will eventually become worthless where rebelling individuals will eventually hunt them down in a post anarchist existence like it was some sort of safari adventure celebrated with human skulls as trophies.
I can't wait to see that sort of ressentiment of a dying aristocracy and elite.
I can't wait to see the rug pulled from under their feet forced to exist a world that they know nothing about surviving in. I'll be waiting there for them.
In that world there is no services to protect you and nobody else to fight your own battles for you.
It's just you and everybody else.
All those years of being dependent on a whole host of institutions protecting you and guaranteeing your safety is bound to have breed alot of weakness in many of them.
Poor kids, they'll just end up like lambs to the slaughter not realizing that all the supposed fictional privilege or entitlement they once enjoyed was just entirely made up.
What do you think about that Apaosha?
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You believe that nobody has rights. Rights are a civilized fiction. Don't be a hypocrite.
Your absolutely correct that I don't believe in rights in that I view them to be fictional constructs.
I wasn't trying to be contradictive with my statement in that I might of misworded what I was trying to illustrate or I could of better organized what I was trying to say.
What I was trying to say is that the wealthy believes nobody has rights but themselves for you see laws or property rights being enforced is them declaring that only their own rights hold any relevance no matter how fictional they may entirely be.
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Yes... your impotent and you want to lash out. This has been made more than clear.
I hope people like you get what's coming to them.
Drome
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I hope its not inapropriate to revive old threads.
I searched for anarchism and this thread came up, so I thought it would be a good idea post this:
This in regards to libertarian and anarchist discussion.
Me and another KTS member had a chat about these guys, and I decided to look up some popular vids on it. This one seems to be very well recived by the freedom community, it is often referenced, as is the author, who I know of from before.
If I understand Satyr correctly, in his book, he writes , that , paternalism was key to starting what we understand as civilisation (or even culture, but I have not read on it yet), and the ancaps (anarchistic-capitalists) want to do away with paternalism completely , making men and womens sexuality "unrestrained" (rape will exist as a crime). This would not work since a huge amout of men would have no women, and no children, and thus no stake in society they live in. These men would then act out causing problems... maybe even enough to end the society as the ancaps dreamt it.
Any discussion on libertarians and ancaps is welcome, as I would like to know what motivates these people.
Henry Quirk
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I sympathize with the libertarian theme. Difficult for me to stomach being directed by elected and appointed folks who demonstrate no superior wisdom or knowledge, who largely seem interested in using the folks who elect them as resource. That these elected and appointed folks see themselves as 'leaders' instead of as 'proxies' is, alone, enough to grind my gears.
I understand that many, most, want direction (including Libertarians and Anarchists who head dive into the political process) and I understand such folks care little for the grade of that direction (mediocre is fine by them), but the transaction between directing and directed leaves little space for the self-directing.
Simply: I sympathize with the libertarian theme cuz my keister keeps gettin' squeezed into a pair of pants I didn't buy, don't like, and am not allowed to trade off for a better fit.
Slaughtz
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Here is your resentment, plain to see. Why should anyone "owe" anyone anything? There is no sense of owing in Randian thought. There are only self-interested agents who supply a service in exchange for another service. An exchange of value for value.
No, you are missing the point. The point he is making is the false morality of the rich, whom you are oddly defending, who loot -using sophisticated methods- and yet expect THEIR property, rights, expectations, whims, desires, to be protected not just by everybody's taxes (through the police, military interventions abroad, media presentations of what they want people to consider the truth and so on) to not be looted. There are practical problems with looting from looters who have a lot of power and one hopes that Joker will avoid facing those practical problems. But it is the moral hypocrisy and the rich's expectation to be treated by a morality they tend not to follow themselves that he is reacting to.
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If you have nothing to offer, you will not be offered anything.
If you can market that nothing as valuable, you certainly can, and they do. Further it might seem implicit that if you have something to offer you will be offered something, but in fact that is often not the case. It may even make you a target.
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You envy the rich their wealth.... and since you cannot earn it in the same way, you decide to take it. Whether this be through force or by appealing to your inherent "rights" as a human being; your proper maintenance... because apparently you are "owed" this simply by being alive. Or to be more plain: simply because another has it and you want it.
As if this did not hold for the rich also or really more clearly.
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Rand called your kind a looter. And there is no more destructive or self-defeating a force on earth.
Really, you think like the looters are the most destructive forces on earth? The people who run outside during blackouts or riots and steal televisions and stuff? Those people? That's what is making human society so fucked up, that is THE DESTRUCTIVE FORCE OUT THERE. NO MORE DESTRUCTIVE FORCE IS OUT THERE? I mean, that is just silly. Looters tend to be poor and tend not to get very far because much more powerful forces immediately put them down. And those people are not the cause of the problems any single person in the forum face in this life unless someone here is the rare person who got on the bad side of a looter. Looters, at least in the narrow frame you have them, certainly did not cause the 2008 financial crisis, a crisis caused by rich people who wanted to get richer....
How did they do this:
They sold things with no value - something that you seem to think means you don't get stuff in this society - by using their control over the information flow.
This led to millions of people around the world losing pensions and jobs WHICH THEY EARNED through having things to offer and offering those things for years, sometimes their whole work lives.
This is just one really clear example. Much more happens more subtly. It is the water we swim in.
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So much thought has gone into sparing the weak the consequences of their nature.
Yup, that is what you are doing here. Sparing the weak the consequences of their nature by acting as an apologist for the looter with power. For oversimplifying the rich ((and all they 'must' have to offer since they are rich)) - partially understandibly since Joker oversimplifies THE RICH also, but this does not justify your adding ludicrous oversimplification in response, especially since it would be merely rational to point out the ways in which he is simply correct - you add more mystification and bs. And why bother, the rich already have spokespeople, media outlets, pr firms, lobbyists doing this work for them. Nice of you to work for free. God forbid Joker becomes A PART OF 'THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE FORCE' if you, in addition to all the paid mystifiers, don't respond to him and label him part of this most destructive force.
Oh, Joker, please don't lie us into a war again. Please don't fuck with the world's economy again. You powerful destructive looter you, Joker. Oh, most powerful destructive force, you, Joker, you. Please stop reading all our private emails. Please reliquish your control of the media, Joker. Ayn Rand begs you. Stop looting our society down into the shit.
apaosha Daeva
Gender : Posts : 1850 Join date : 2009-08-24 Age : 37 Location : Ireland
A looter in this context is someone who by force or charity acquires resources that he did not produce, from society. Rand defines an individual's worth according to what they can produce, how useful they can be to society. What they can give, not what they can take. Someone who loots a store for a television is no less a looter than a guy who owns shares in a company but does not contribute to that company in any way. A looter is a parasite, economically speaking. Rand, being a jewess, is also a parasite on a host society and as such has an interest in couching things in purely economic terms.
If something has value then it is not nothing. Value in this context is a civilized fiction that humans agree amongst themselves in order that trade may occur. It can refer to material goods, an idea, or just emotions. Someone who does not offer value to society, yet receives valuable resources, is a parasite. Someone who pretends to offer value is a cheater and thus a parasite. Someone who exploits feelings of sympathy, familial affection or other ties for charity, is a parasite.
Some people are just better than other people. That factory? Wouldn't exist without the guy who built it. That successful company? Wouldn't exist without the CEO and board whose charisma and motivation gives it purpose and direction. That horde of workers? A useless mob without the one man to employ them and give them an objective to produce material, to produce value. And likewise the leaders would be powerless without their subordinates, their tools, to give shape to their vision. The fundamental idea here is an exchange of value for value. A trade. If you receive value through force, via the barrel of a gun, you are no less a parasite on the producers of value, then a bum who receives welfare payments. Economic output is the basis of personal worth in Objectivism. Can you offer something valuable to society to justify your place within it? Few people can honestly say that they can, which is what leads them to reject it; it makes them think unpleasant thoughts about themselves.
_________________ "I do not exhort you to work but to battle; I do not exhort you to peace but to victory. May your work be a battle; may your peace be a victory." -TSZ
