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PostSubject: Re: Language Language - Page 4 EmptyThu Jan 30, 2020 8:58 pm

An organism engages reality without necessarily being aware of it.
Language is not essential to thinking, but it is thinking given form.
Babies think before they have learned language, and animals can think without ever having to evolve language.

McGilchrist claims that music precedes the evolution of language - that man vocalized, created sound with specific tones and volume and rhythms, same as birds or some animals vocalize, each vocalization sharing information - i.e., warning, announcing sexual availability, etc.
it would explain why philosophy was first a form of poetry - performed in singing - before it became prose.

Man becomes aware of his interactivity - his sensuality - only when this data accumulates, or reaches a certain level that would require his concious attentions.
Before that he reacts unconsciously - judging and reacting without ever becoming aware.
When this awareness reaches the level of becoming concious - the level where it can become verbal - linguistic - it has already affected the individual.

Appearance is how the concious mind interprets what it has become aware - gradually or suddenly- of what is present. That is man becomes sensually aware of what he may not become consciously aware of, if it does not exceed a certain level demanding his attentions.
Appearance is an interpretation of what is present, or what is pierced as being present.
This means that colour is a way of translating specific energies within a specific context, determined by the sense organ being stimulated.

Being 'red' is but the context of the eye given to a range of vibrations - which is interpreted differently by the ear or by the skin.
'Redness' is but one context of the apparent, which must be combined with all the other sensual contexts to establish a kind.
This is why I reject the term 'white' to refer to individuals of European descent.

Interpretation if what reduces the present - existent - to a sensation - a thought.
The thought is not that which is present, but an interpretation of it, then given a name.
The interpretation of what exists is our creation, but the existent itself is not. It remains forever beyond our ability to fully comprehend - we approach the real without attaining it absolutely.

Facts refer to relationships and how they relate to the perceiver and to each other from the perceptive of the perceiver.

Grammar and syntax evolve from the relationship of a people with the environment they relate to.
This is why I say that language and culture are gene specific.

Language both represents this relationship of 'other' with 'I', but also how 'I' reacts to this 'other'.

The mind mirrors the stimulation, via a medium - such as light - to recreate it in itself as thought.
This is done based on a priori concepts evolved over centuries of trial and error. The organisms' evolved reproductive and survival methods determine which a priori concepts will become innate and to what degree.

For example the niche survival strategy of foraging differs from that of hunting requiring a different interactions of space/time, and a different medium dominating.
A hunter would require a more refined method of interpreting accessibility - distance - and so it would use a light as the fastest medium = using triangulation to intuitively approximate velocity, distance, elevation....and the judgement to predict an approximate point of space time the target will occupy in the future.

The language that would evolve from such minds would reflect this triangulation and approximation.
Sentence structure verb, noun, pronoun etc.

Emphasis of specific words unconsciously exposes the individual's motive, and its deepest anxiety, need.
Language, as I've said, is an expression of the nervous system - the organ where mind/body synthesize, so language reflects this synthesis of the esoteric and the exoteric, to the degree which either dominates in the specific individual.

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PostSubject: Re: Language Language - Page 4 EmptyFri Jan 31, 2020 11:27 am

McGilchrist, Iain wrote:
So language is a hybrid. It evolved from music and in this part of its history represented the urge to communicate; and to the extent that it retains right-hemisphere empathic elements, it still does. Its foundations lie in the body and the world of experience. But referential language, with its huge vocabulary and sophisticated syntax, did not originate in a drive to communicate, and from this point of view, represents something of a hijack. It has done everything it can to repudiate both its bodily origins and its dependency on experience – to become a world unto itself.
[The Master and His Emissary – The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World]
McGilchrist lends his support to the idea that language can be used to detach the mind, from the body – physicality – and gives us an added dimension by positioning this process as a left-hemisphere attempt to dominate and detach from the more physically embodied right-hemisphere.

Nihilism given a hemispheric context in addition to the broader min/body dissonance.

McGilchrist, Iain wrote:
Why do I emphasise this bodily origin of thought and language? Partly because it has been denied in our own age, not by any means only, or even mainly, by de Saussure and his followers. More than that, the fact of its denial seems to me to form part of a general trend, throughout the last hundred years or so, towards the ever greater repudiation of our embodied being, in favour of an abstracted, cerebralised, machine-like version of ourselves that has taken hold on popular thinking – even though there may be more recent trends in philosophy that attempt, with widely varying degrees of success, to point away from such conclusions. As Lakoff and Johnson make clear, the very structure of reason itself comes from the details of our embodiment. The same neural and cognitive mechanisms that allow us to perceive and move around also create our conceptual systems and modes of reason … Reason is evolutionary, in that abstract reason builds on and makes use of forms of perceptual and motor inference present in ‘lower’ animals … Reason is thus not an essence that separates us from other animals; rather, it places us on a continuum with them.
The flight of language from the enchantment of the body during the last hundred years represents, I believe, part of a much broader revolt of the left hemisphere's way of conceiving the world against that of the right hemisphere, the theme of Part II of this book.
[The Master and His Emissary – The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World]
Left-hemisphere dominating the right, locates Nihilism precisely within the nervous system.

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PostSubject: Re: Language Language - Page 4 EmptyFri Jan 31, 2020 11:44 am

McGilchrist adds a context to my positions on nihilism and how it inverts reality, using (corruption) semiotics. As such we can say that this psychological defensive mechanism is characterized by the dominance of nous (mind) over soma (body), within the pneuma (nervous system associated with spirit, i.e., mind/body synthesis) – the psyche. Intentionally disassociating identify from the physical and replacing it by an abstraction (idea/ideal).
We find here the source of monism and the Abrahamic one-god, as word based, lacking corporeality – an idea. Left-Hemisphere has declared itself lord and master.

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Analytics removed itself from hermeneutics, into a superficial method of judgement, stagnate in it, not able to move past it. It regressed from understanding, to denying understanding, as a trifle. The appearance became the sole focus, the focal point for thinking, leading to the post-modern deconstructionism of language. Logic was subverted from a tool, to a construct.
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Excellent find.

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Degenerates can pick and choose which Wittgenstein they prefer.
Wittgenstein, himself, an example of sexual degeneracy.

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My own position on language - if it has not been made perfectly clear, by now - is that language, like experience, must begin with the physical - tangible, observable, falsifiable, i.e., that which is present and is translated into appearance which is then is given a symbol (semiotics).
From the physical one then can proceed to speculate about the metaphysical and the ideological, but only in relation to the physical - i.e., empirical, experienced, perceived, validated and cross-referenced by a multiplicity of concious minds, and testable, what has been validated in practice, application, producing a degree of certainty.

The ground - bottom - is physis (nature), the physical, from which we can delve into the metaphysical and project into the idealistic.
Bottom<>Up.....where "up" does not necessarily indicate a dimensional direction but a movement outward - a towards the imperceptible (metaphysics) and the yet to be or how they ought to be (idealism), but that never loses contact with the "bottom" which is the foundation that grounds the process in the real - in the possible/probable.

Facts, are indeed, arrangements of 'objects (phenomena), i.e., facts refer to relationships not absolute beings.

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PostSubject: Re: Language Language - Page 4 EmptySat Feb 01, 2020 8:55 am

It is this stated "promotion of perspectivism" mentioned in the conversation, which makes Wittgenstein a favoured idol for Desperate Degenerates wishing to escape being perceived as who and what they truly are.
A way of evading judgement, and claim innocence.  

'It's all subjective', does the same, using different lingo.
It implies that there is no correct or incorrect judgement, so judgement is impossible or worthless - why judge at all? it's all inevitable anyway.
If not absolute if not one - i.e., complete, whole, final, immutable, eternal, indivisible - then none; all finds parity in nil, which has the advantage of not requiring justification - it simply negates by finding flaw in other, implying its own omnipotence.
Death of god means death of absolute truth - absolute judgement - parity in ignorance - proletariat of spirit.
All are slaves to a faceless master; all are equally wrong, weak; all are impoverished minions.
For this reason pure nihilism is an advance from positive nihilism that postulates absolutes which convince by remaining positive, attempting to seduce scepticism to allow obscurity to cover up its self-serving presumptions.
Like how low light is preferred during erotic intercourse because all physical imperfections are hidden in its shadowy twilight, allowing the mind to immerse itself in the romantic idealism of the moment. The other acquires a mystical air.  
A memory of pure perfection is created, to be held by the individual for a lifetime. Like a sacred talisman of contrived absolute beauty, returned to when the worlds vulgarity and ugliness becomes unbearable.

Pure nihilism abandons this adolescent practice of creating the idea of the perfect through self-deceit, adopting the all-levelling practice of dismissing the very idea of perfection as illusory and a product of the subjective mind, implying that the mind knows all is imperfect but wills itself to believe that its own preferences are perfect - a cynical wink at itself, as it knows it is self-deceiving and cares not, because all are self-deceiving.
A universal joke only they can fully appreciate, and through this convert shame into pride, and weakness into a kind of implied strength.
Self-Deception accepting deception as a universal truth.

To put it in Abrahamic contexts, the positive nihilist reinvents the one-god, whereas the pure nihilist dismissing the idea and embraces the devil - the trickster, the idea of absolute negation of the one-god.

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McGilchrist, Iain wrote:
Language has done its best to obscure its parentage. It has increasingly abstracted itself from its origins in the body and in the experiential world. It developed its current form to enable us to refer to whatever is not present in experience: language helped its re-presentation. This had the effect of expanding its usefulness to communication and thinking for some purposes, but reducing it for others.
In the process important aspects of language, the denotative elements that enable precision of reference and planning, have taken up residence in the left hemisphere, while other aspects of language, broadly its connotative and emotive functions, have remained in the right hemisphere. And the understanding of language at the highest level, once the bits have been put together, the making sense of an utterance in its context, taking into account whatever else is going on, including the tone, irony, sense of humour, use of metaphor, and so on, belongs once again with the right hemisphere.
The way these aspects of language have sorted is, as we have seen, not random, but in keeping with the overall nature of each hemisphere. Metaphor is the crucial aspect of language whereby it retains its connectedness to the world, and by which the ‘parts’ of the world which language appears to identify retain their connectedness one to another. Literal language, by contrast, is the means whereby the mind loosens its contact with reality and becomes a self-consistent system of tokens. But, more than this, there is an important shape here which we will keep encountering: something that arises out of the world of the right hemisphere, is processed at the middle level by the left hemisphere and returns finally to the right hemisphere at the highest level.

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Franz Kafka wrote:
Language can be used only very obliquely of things outside the physical world, not even metaphorically, since all it knows to do--according to the nature of the physical world--is to treat of ownership and its relations
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Because our use of a term such as ‘being’ makes us feel that we understand what being is, it hides the sense of radical astonishment we would have if we could truly understand it, and subverts our attempts to do so. I am reminded of Cantor's perception that treating infinity as just another kind of number stopped us understanding its nature and hence the nature of the world. But just as that did not mean that we should abandon mathematics, Heidegger's insight does not mean that we should abandon language. It just means that we have to be constantly vigilant to undermine language's attempt to undermine our understanding.

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And that does not go just for works of art. Things are not whatever we care to make them. There is a something that exists apart from our own minds, and our attempt to apprehend whatever it is needs to be true to, faithful to, that whatever-it-is-that-exists and at the same time true to ourselves in making that apprehension. No single truth does not mean no truth.
To speak of truth sounds too grand, too filled with the promise of certainty, and we are rightly suspicious of it. But truth will not go away that easily. The statement that ‘there is no such thing as truth’ is itself a truth statement, and implies that it is truer than its opposite, the statement that ‘truth exists’. If we had no concept of truth, we could not state anything at all, and it would even be pointless to act. There would be no purpose, for example, in seeking the advice of doctors, since there would be no point in having their opinion, and no basis for their view that one treatment was better than another. None of us actually lives as though there were no truth. Our problem is more with the notion of a single, unchanging truth.
The word ‘true’ suggests a relationship between things: being true to someone or something, truth as loyalty, or something that fits, as two surfaces may be said to be ‘true’. It is related to ‘trust’, and is fundamentally a matter of what one believes to be the case. The Latin word verum (true) is cognate with a Sanskrit word meaning to choose or believe: the option one chooses, the situation in which one places one's trust. Such a situation is not an absolute – it tells us not only about the chosen thing, but also about the chooser. It cannot be certain: it involves an act of faith, and it involves being faithful to one's intuitions.

For Heidegger, Being (Sein) is hidden, and things as they truly are (das Seiende) can be ‘unconcealed’ only by a certain disposition of patient attention towards the world – emphatically not by annexing it, exploiting it or ransacking it for congenial meanings, in a spirit of ‘anything goes’.
Heidegger related truth to the Greek concept of aletheia, literally ‘unconcealing’. In this concept a number of facets of truth are themselves unconcealed. In the first place it suggests something that preexists our attempts to ‘dis-cover’ it.48 Then it is an entity defined by a negative – by what it is not; and in opposition to something else (unconcealing). It is come at by a process, a coming into being of something; and that process is also, importantly, part of the truth. It is an act, a journey, not a thing. It has degrees. It is found by removing things, rather than by putting things together. This idea of truth as-unconcealing contrasts with the idea of truth-as-correctness, which is static, unchanging. Truth as unconcealing is a progress towards something – the something is in sight, but never fully seen; whereas truth as correctness is given as a thing in itself, that can in principle be fully known.
For Heidegger, truth was such an unconcealing, but it was also a concealing, since opening one horizon inevitably involves the closing of others. There is no single privileged viewpoint from which every aspect can be seen. It may be true that, to quote Patricia Churchland, ‘it is reasonable to identify the blueness of an object with its disposition to scatter … electromagnetic waves preferentially at about 0.46μm’ [emphasis in the original].50 That is, I suppose, a sort of truth about the colour blue. That is one way in which blue discloses itself. Most of us would think it left rather a lot out. There are also other very important truths about the colour blue that we experience, for example, when we see a canvas by Ingres, or by Yves Klein, or view the sky, or sea, which are closed off by this. It is, in this sense, like the duck–rabbit: we can have only one ‘take’ on it at a time.
We see things by seeing them as something. In this sense too we create the world by attending to it in a particular way.

Reality is, therefore, a product of a relationship between observer and observed - between the present and what is perceiving it, awakening to it's presence - appearance.

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The parasite-meme attacks the host through the mind, the source of self-consciousness; it does so through language and undermining the mind's connection - relationship - with reality, with the world it emerges within.
When nihilists declare the 'end' of things they are declaring a limit to linguistic utility. An end produced by detaching words from their role as mediators between subjective and objective, converting them to self-referential loops that create a cognitive loop - A Gordian Knot, as I once called it.
They undermine language and then use their own meaningless and self-referential - solipsistic- creations as arguments.

This detachment I've analyzed in the context of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - represented by the metaphorical artifice of Zombies - similar to actual parasites these memes produce the same results.
The infected host begins acting strangely, and in self-destructive ways - it seems detached from reality, driven by an internal motive - a goal the host itself is unaware of.

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Messianism is a perfect representation of this form of infestation.
The "saviour" presents himself as someone motivated by a concern for other - an altruistic goal only a fool would turn down - see how gift giving or generosity is a masked form of dominance and asserting superiority.
a Messiahs hides his self-pity as a projected pity for the world which he sacrifices self to save, or towards which he offers a gift that will save it.
The Messiah may even be convinced of his own altruistic motives or his integrity in offering something valuable to those who need it.
In effect he is seeking to save himself by pretending to save other, or to empower self by pretending to be empowering other, or to be enlightening others when it is self that he seeks to en-lighten.

A victim pretends to seek protection from those it wishes to victimize, just as a rich man imposes his wealth upon the beggar he offers a small token of his wealth - a 'liberator' comes to place the 'liberated' under his own yoke - read the Bible.

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McGilchrist, Iain wrote:
The direction of writing
The right hemisphere prefers vertical lines, but the left hemisphere prefers horizontal lines. If lines are vertical, the left hemisphere prefers to read them from the bottom up, whereas the right hemisphere prefers to read from the top down. In almost every culture writing has begun by being vertical. Some, such as the oriental languages, remain vertical: they are also generally read from the top down, and from right to left. In other words, they are read from the maximally right-hemisphere determined point of view. Although both oriental and Western languages are generally read from the top down, so that at the global level they still conform to the right-hemisphere preference, at the local, sequential level they have drifted in the West towards the left hemisphere's point of view. This process started with the move to phonetics. While ‘almost all pictographic writing systems favour a vertical layout … practically all systems of writing that depend exclusively on the visual rendition of phonological features of language are horizontally laid out.’88 So it is that vertical writing began to be replaced by horizontal writing, and disappeared altogether in the West by about 1100 BC. By the eleventh century BC, Greek was being written horizontally, although right to left.
It continued to be written right to left until the seventh century BC. However, at around this time a fascinating change occurred. Between the eighth and sixth centuries, Greek began to be written in what is known as boustrophedon, literally ‘as the ox ploughs’, which is to say going to the end of the line, turning round, and coming back – alternating direction line by line. By the fifth century BC, however, left to right was becoming the norm, and by the fourth century the transition was complete, and all forms of Greek were being written left to right.
Reading left to right involves moving the eyes towards the right, driven by the left hemisphere, and preferentially communicating what is seen to the left hemisphere. And it turns out that, while virtually all syllabic languages are written right to left, almost every phonemic language, such as the Indo-European family of languages, being composed of a linear sequence of independent elements, is written left to right.
Phonemic languages put merely contiguous relationships in the place of contextual relationships, digital in the place of analogical relationships, and sequence in place of form. Moreover the addition of vowels makes an astonishingly clear difference to the direction of writing: according to de Kerckhove, ‘95% of phonological orthographies that include markings of vocalic sounds [e.g. vowels] … are written towards the right, whereas almost all the systems that do not include letters for vowels are written towards the left, and have been rendered so almost from the beginning, for over three millennia.’90.
[The Master and His Emissary – The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World]
The gradual shift from bottom-up, through top-down, then to vertical right-to-left, and then from left-to-right, seems to follow the gradual shift from a right to a left-hemisphere dominance. In Nietzschean contexts from Dionysian to Apollonian and in Cartesian jargon from phenomenal towards noumenal, or from body (physical) towards mind (abstract, idealistic).
From one imbalance towards the opposite imbalance. In this "inversion" we can pinpoint nihilism as a linguistic overturning. Nietzsche's "transvaluation" implied a return to balance.
The current 'crisis of identity' can be traced back to this inversion - mostly promoted as a method of controlling and manipulating the average masses, but has now gotten out of control and is threatening the very institutions, and the elites they act as a 'front' for, and interests they represent that first applied this method in marketing and politics.

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See, e.g., Foldi, 1987; Bottini, Corcoran, Sterzi et al., 1994. There is some confusion over what is meant by metaphor. Obviously there is metaphoric content to almost everything we say – language is essentially metaphoric in nature, at the simplest level. If the chosen ‘metaphor’ for an experiment designed to distinguish between the hemispheres is so bland, obvious or banal that it requires no imagination, presents no novel thought, and does not bring together disparate meanings, little is likely to be discovered. We know that unfamiliar phrases activate the right hemisphere, while familiar ones activate the left hemisphere (Bottini, Corcoran, Sterzi et al., 1994; Eviatar & Just, 2006; Mashal, Faust & Hendler, 2005; Mashal, Faust, Hendler et al., 2007). So when it comes to metaphor, it is in keeping with this that poetic phrases, such as ‘rain clouds are pregnant ghosts’, are understood by the right hemisphere, while clichés, such as ‘babies are angels’, are processed by the left hemisphere (Schmidt, DeBuse & Seger, 2007). Specifically, it is not just the novelty inherent in metaphor, but the combination of novelty with the bringing together of disparate ideas that involves
the right hemisphere (Mashal & Faust, 2008). Although two recent studies, bravely aiming to repudiate a consensus built on thirty years of research, have purported to demonstrate that it is the left hemisphere that is principally involved in the appreciation of metaphor, they have only demonstrated what we already know, that the left hemisphere has a predilection for cliché. As long as a phrase is comfortably familiar, the phrase will activate the left hemisphere only. The metaphors used in one of these studies (Rapp, Leube, Erb et al., 2004) were ‘very simple statements’, such as ‘the alarm clock is a torturer’. Reference to ‘torture’ is a used, and overused, way of expressing displeasure – ‘it was torture having to drag myself out of bed this morning’. This phrase is not essentially different from ‘babies are angels’. Bottini and colleagues, who found a right hemisphere pre-eminence, used phrases that still required the bringing together of two distinct ideas, e.g. ‘the policeman who didn't give straight answers was jumping ditches’. Rapp and colleagues justified using such simple phrases by referring to the fact that the right hemisphere is known to be involved in understanding more complex sentences. Maybe, but there is nothing whatever complex about the sentences, as sentences, in the Bottini examples – the only thing that is ‘complex’ about them is that they require seeing the connection between two disparate ideas. That is the essence of metaphor, and it turns out to be beyond the capacity of the left hemisphere. The other study (Stringaris, Medford, Giampietro et al., 2007) was similarly unlikely to test true metaphorical understanding:
indeed the paradigm ‘metaphor’ they report using – ‘some surgeons are butchers’ – is hardly a metaphor at all; probably, if anything, less so than ‘babies are angels’. But when the metaphor is of the kind encountered in poetry, rather than cliché, it is clearly the right hemisphere that is involved (Faust & Mashal, 2007).

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[quote="McGilchrist, Iain"‘Why should not logicians, more than anyone, realize the places where hard-edged, clean logic will necessarily run into trouble in dealing with this chaotic and messy universe?’, writes Douglas
Hofstadter. He carries on by quoting Marvin Minsky, the famous artificial intelligence researcher:
‘Logic doesn't apply to the real world … This is one of the difficulties that artificial intelligence workers are facing. They are coming to realize that no intelligence can be based on reasoning alone; or rather that isolated reasoning is impossible, because reasoning depends on a prior setting-up of a system of concepts, percepts, classes, categories – call them what you will – in terms of which all situations are understood [context, in other words – I. McG.].’ Hofstadter & Dennett, 1982, p. 343.[/quote]

Ergo, logic is an attempt to discipline the mind to natural order - or laws of logic attempt to harmonize mind with laws of nature, the experienced: noumena with phenomena.
McGilchrist might say to harmonize the left with the right hemisphere, and return the former under the master's dominion.

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The belief that the cosmos speaks to man through mathematics is but a secular extension of the Abrahamic belief that logos precedes action, and god speaks to man with words.
a variant of this...
Biblical Scripture wrote:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1

Western men are proud of their overcoming of Christian dogma, but they've simply progressed towards updated terminology.
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They've renamed the absolute ideal, universe or order, and scoff at any mention of a one-god, as if they've overcome their psychological dependence on a paternal ideal they have not overcome but can only display their rebellion against that which can never be overcome because it is absolutely perfect and therefore unsurmountable - so very unlike a real father figure, becoming the standard of a child's rites of passage from immaturity to maturity.

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Language, including mathematics, is based on binaries, expressing how the organic brain processes sensual datum.
Logic is the brain's adjustment to existential interactive multiplicities - because the brain is independent form the physical - body's - restrictions it can think and synthesize and abstract data at will and imagine anything within its abilities to conceptualize, even self-contradicting concepts. Logic is the mind attempting to limit itself to reality.

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Language is to memes, i.e., memotype, what DNA is to genes, i.e., genotype.
Language, along with all forms of art, ethical/behavioural standards and ideas/ideals participate in what is called "culture".
"Civilization" is the equivalent of a phenotype: the external manifestation of these esoteric factors.

Civilization can be equated to a species, or a variant of a organic family, sharing a culture, e.g., primates is a taxonomic order with a variety of suborders.
Past(nature) made present (nurture), and experienced/perceived as appearance ( dynamic interaction/behaviour), corresponds to a culture manifesting as a civilization, and through tis interaction with present circumstances being warped/corrupted, forced to adapt/adjust.

Every civilization ascends and descends, as part of tis life-cycle, and in the process it produces decadence and degeneracy as a by-product of its interactivity - decadence/degeneracy gradually and consistently accumulating until the organic structure collapses, unbale to self-correct, self-maintian itself within dynamic interactivity, i.e., existence.

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Language, like all forms of art, will increasingly become so abstract, so obscure, so meaningless, that the world will be divided between those few who will project into it their subjective needs/desires, and the many who will be unable to perceive meaning in the chaotic mess, though some will pretend that they do to not be called out as simple or uncultivated.
Philosophy, in the future, will be completely esoteric - spiritual and esoteric that nobody will be able to find anything of applicable value in it; used, like any other forms of spirituality, as a method of coping and of escaping. In all else Philosophy will become a pastime for the well-ff, looking for another distraction, wondering why none of it is fulfilling, or can ever offer anything of sub stance - detached abstractions becoming vehicles for those seeking detachment from the real; empowering hyperboles offering power to the powerless; pleasing metaphors offering pleasure to those suffering an insufferable world.
Religion will be indistinguishable form what we call philosophy. The world will be replaced by inter-subjective affirmations of collective unstated agreements - another way of validating the Golden Rule, i.e., feminized through and through.

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Satyr wrote:

Philosophy, in the future, will be completely esoteric - spiritual and esoteric that nobody will be able to find anything of applicable value in it; used, like any other forms of spirituality, as a method of coping and of escaping. In all else Philosophy will become a pastime for the well-ff, looking for another distraction, wondering why none of it is fulfilling, or can ever offer anything of sub stance - detached abstractions becoming vehicles for those seeking detachment from the real; empowering hyperboles offering power to the powerless; pleasing metaphors offering pleasure to those suffering an insufferable world.

Like evolution, people will only apply it to animals. Thus, philosophy will follow the same fate, in that it will only apply to vague ideology, leaving oneself detached from it. The future will be new more innovative ways to escape from or eliminate the self; the metaphysical side of the transhumanist coin.
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Language is an organizing tool, categorizing memories to be brought forth or pushed back, or to be synthesized or deconstructed, at will.
Language attaches a symbol to each memory or group of memories so that they can be organized and combined.

Though language is not necessary for thinking it is essential for the structuring and conceptualizing of complex thought combinations.

Logic keep thought disciplined to external ordering, so as to limit the mind ability to ignore physical, i.e., spatial; and temporal, limitations, so that noumena can remain in harmony with phenomena.

Language is essential for the externalization of thoughts - communication, sharing, facilitating cooperative reproductive and survival strategies.
Language is always a representational approximation of existence, mirroring the organism's evolved methods of interpreting fluctuating existence, i.e., dynamic interactivity - a priori methods of reducing a multiplicity of fluctuating interactivities to a level the organism can process, and convert into a reaction.

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Understanding language - not only knowing - is like understanding a tool and how it relates to the hand that yields it to create something tangible in the real world.
When language only creates intangible ideas that contradict the real world it is in the hands of a simpleton, infected by the understanding of a charlatan.

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All linguistic confusions begin by a proper definition of concepts in dispute.

"Proper" does not mean arbitrary nor does it imply any coercion, seduction or form of bribery...it means using words in their primary function: connecting ideas - abstractions, noumena - with reality - phenomena, the experienced world.

Any divergence from this can only lead to confusion, frustration, and unnecessary conflict...
Refusal to attempt such a method reveals a motive, concealed in the starting abstract idea itself.
The mind projecting his need/desire via the idealized abstraction, presenting it as an irrefutable starting premise, and concealing its motives in prose and obfuscations.

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Is not nonsense and lies the same in Latin and ancient-Greek as it is in English, or Spanish, or Swahili?

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