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Nikolas Jacob Cruz...
For this Jacob fooling people is a joy.
But really, who are those people that are genuinely being fooled.
There are many Jacobs out there, some pretty stupid, too stupid to fool most people. Since they often come with an annoying personality disorder pople will let them get away with this charade, pretend that they got fooled, only to get rid of them, at least for a while.
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Words are magical.
Like little baits, cast out into the tumultuous waves where little fish swim in the depths of twilight - dysphotic zone.

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Twilight of the Idols must have made a great psychological impact in such creatures - ironically, and inevitably, becoming an idol in the twilight.
They too peered into the dark abyss - aphotic zone - and they felt the monsters disturbing the darkness.
Words are powerful....but their power extends only as far as there is comprehension - ergo, humanity=world; world=humanity.
Their range of potency only extending as far as linguistic effect, beyond which it is entirely and completely impotent.
To feel the complete power of words you must understand them...deeply, profoundly, only then can you be initiated into their utility.

Remaining within the theme, it is comparable to schooling - a self-referential inter-subjective collectivized mass, appearing to be more than it is, held together by shared needs/desires, or memories delivered through words.
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Religion uses semiotics to create these ever-expoanding schools of thought - defence against the big full of threats ocean beyond.
In humans it creates a self-referential world-view - nihilistic, because it begins by negating the world beyond - the ocean beyond the collective school of thought.
Fish in dialogue creating an alternate reality only the participants - chosen - can understand, because the source is personal....private.
Challengers simply cannot understand - they misunderstand.

Here we see the context, subtext and pretext in action.
The fish are in dialogue - pretext - unaware of their underlying motive - subtext - constantly shifting to remain obscure, concealed, as if belonging to something formidable - context. If you could ask them their motives are obviously clear...communion, sharing, socializing...benevolent, innocent. Any other interpretation is the product of bigotry, or incomprehension....misinterpretations ....because only the participants can truly understand their collective intent.
You must first truly and completely believe to understand... faith.

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She only challenges conventional definitions and understanding of morality, or what I call ethics, to differentiate it from naturally evolved moral behaviours which facilitate reproductive and survival strategies.
The distinction is between genetic/memetic, or reality based and idealistic.
In this case given the ethnicity of the subject, what we refer to as "conventional ethics" is Abrahamic, or Mosaic laws, based on a mythology which imposes additional rules of conduct that make civilization possible.
Of course such rules, e.g., against inter-group violence, against adultery, encoded addendums to pre-existing genetic inclinations towards inter-group altruism, against incest etc.

Rand exposed the vacuousness of the ethical codes her own tribe made into divine laws, because the revolutionary spirit, Jones spoke about, inevitably also rebels against itself when it has nothing to rebel against.

Naturally evolved moral behaviours that make heterosexual reproduction and cooperative survival strategies possible, is innately selfish.
Its 'selflessness' is selfish, if we properly understand what self is and how identity emerges and develops.


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I thought that those videos that were coming around at that time were fishy. Just didn't know how fishy. Still not sure if there isn't even one more level above all those various channels that follow more or less the same scheme in terms of organization and location.
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Plagiarism begins as imitation and then oversteps the boundaries of reason.
Liars begin with a small exaggeration and if they succeed they gain confidence and advance to greater and greater exaggerations, until absurdity exposes them.
We also see this in postmodernism where earlier success in word-manipulations have lead to the current level of craziness.

Plagiarists, like all types of liars, rely on the gullibility of their target audience and their underlying desire to believe - the target audience want to believe, and if the lie is kept within reasonable boundaries they are willing to overcome any small levels of skepticism that may creep into their consciousness.

The success of this ruse is based no the current western pathology concerning modern technologies, global warming, advocating a return to a more "authentic past".
Pinker's "noble savage" which is related to Abrahamic cosmology describing the world as a state of "fallenness", fighting for a "return" to a "divine state" of "perfection, i.e., unity, symbiosis, oneness etc.
A battle to "cleanse the world" of its "evilness" and "return" it to its "original" state when there was no conflict, no struggle, no divisions, and all was one.
Here we see how Europeans (whites) are representatives of the current state, and primitives (brown peoples, non-white whites etc.) are representatives of altruism, innocence, kindness, oppressed genius, honesty, etc.
Blacks and browns were noble, kind, until whites corrupted their "innocence".
The biblical symbolism is clear.
Europeans are Satanic - all non-Europeans are divine.
So to now claim to be non-white (non-European) is to claim innocence, cleanliness, purity....divinity - choseness.

We also see a promotion of simpler forms of life, in preparation of the coming Empire of Lies collapse - a world ending event, since a "world" will end, as another begins.
An empire built no lies will react to its imminent end with increasingly levels of hyperbole - dying throws of a dying SuperOrganism corresponding to what happens when an organism, such as a man, approaches death, viz., he "returns" to his past (his life "flashes before his eyes), turning inward, and relives the past in a censored way, the wat he recalls it - memory always cleanses events of what the individual finds 'negative'. This is why our memories are usually 'positive', pleasant, self-glorifying...

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Came across this recently. A YouTube channel by someone called Galahad Eridanus. The videos have a high production quality and Eridanus believes he is in communion with a gnostic entity called Abraxas. After watching a few of them I started to feel a little queasy, like I was partaking in someone else's mental delusions, even though throughout the videos he tries to present a lot of his own unique interpretations based on the works of Jung and relate them to the world/history.



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How do you evaluate what is a delusional conviction - entirely subjective - from what holds merit and is more objective, and therefore more probable?
Do you use words on a page, text, language, what you've read or heard someone speak, as in this case?

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When n number of extraordinary claims are made, without independently corroborated evidence, you may not know for sure, but you begin to strongly suspect. Since he provides no evidence in the videos I evaluate it on that basis.

But it's not that rational is it?
The body senses it first...that you're in the presence of a sick mind. Your stomach starts to turn. It's telling you that something is off.
An unhealthy body can cause the mind to distort reality to compensate. But rarely does it work in reverse.
Like watching a man in the town square proclaim his prophethood. His sermon a subtle attempt to twist the world to fit his madness where those of lower self-awareness may fall for it.
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Then the consequences become the criterion.
Consequences of a sick mind, if not protected by some intervening agency, determines who is delusional and who is not.

An unhealthy body produces unhealthy beliefs, and then suffers the consequences - death, or becoming even more unhealthy.
But, in our civilization we protect the unhealthy, don't we, and in time we begin to doubt there is health.

So, how do we overcome this warping?
We do not listen to what others say - no matter their group sanctioning - but compare what is said with what is acted - beginning with those outside human social environments - animals, for example.
But this requires us to understand that we are animals, and not other than them - only superior, and then understand what makes us "superior".
Darwin is a foundation.

Why do humans dominate?
They aren't the fastest, the strongest, the most durable of all earthly species, so why?
Have you ever asked yourself this question, or do consider it "evil"?
Did god, of Abraham, say so?

The answer will also illuminate why humans use complex oral and then symbolic communication methods - language - and why this is an advantage but also a risk, has a cost.

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Man cannot know everything though in doing so he attempts to 'ape' God.
And what a wonderful ape he has become.
Cue burly, brute German men shooting Jewish children through the head.
Man devoid of spirit, the divine light severed. A merciless flesh automaton poised to create Hell on Earth.
A know it all.
Cue burly, brute Germans bulldozing mountains of dead naked bodies into fiery pits.
This is the result of millions of years of... evolution.
Something from nothing.
Where all that exists are merely 'things'.
I trust the thing in my head to tell me that. I trust an animal to tell me that we're all animals.
Planet of the Apes.
The ape on the lectern in the white lab coat is telling me I'm an ape.
Abiogenesis?
Survival of the fittest.... when there's nothing to survive in the first place.
How do we even begin?
Something from nothing.
When survival is nothing more than a myth according to our cosmologists.
We see it clearly today, scientific progress leading to a new dark age.
Dark energy, dark matter, quantum indeterminacy... the real nature of the universe is increasingly unknowable. That is reality. It's not that we're missing some pieces of the puzzle, the puzzle is increasingly completing itself. What the world is showing us is radically different to what we had formerly ever [hoped] believed.

Absolute time was the prevailing view for centuries, until Einstein.
Yet the Aborigines (a bunch of niggers) never believed in it.
How did they remain ahead of the curve whilst the glorious civilization of the European Enlightenment - with all our material benefits - got it wrong?
Humans dominate the world? So some of them believe.
And at a terrible price.
The arrogance of the human ego is truly terrifying. It's desire is unlimited.
God teaches compassion and humility, self-limitation... man is not the Alpha and the Omega.
Yet most remain blind, preferring instead to follow their appetites and the vicissitudes of their egos.
To be the judge and executioner.
And to be the final lawmaker.
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Timon wrote:
Man cannot know everything though in doing so he attempts to 'ape' God.
What makes you think man has to become omniscient?
How simple you are.

Given that the world is fluid, yet still patterned, man builds probabilities - adjusting them or discarding them as he advances.
This is how science works and how technologies develop.

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And what a wonderful ape he has become.
According to you, he isn't an ape...but a god in waiting.

Timon wrote:
Cue burly, brute German men shooting Jewish children through the head.
There's that standby emotional image.
What about that emasculated American dropping "smart bombs" on helpless Iraqi, and Afghan children?
With America's "postmodern" advancements we can imagine him wearing lipstick and a push-up braw, over his sparsely haired chest....laughing as he destroys building from 30 000 feet in the air.

But no...let's keep to the indoctrinated imagery that is supposed to be an argument.
Nazi = evil
American = good
Got it.
When Americans kill it is for their own good - they are saving them.
What about those Jews and their apartheid, killing Palestinians.
No movies about that....not ever.
No tear jerkers there.

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Man devoid of spirit, the divine light severed. A merciless flesh automaton poised to create Hell on Earth.
A know it all.
"Divine light"?
Platonic light?
Such extremist imagery. No nuance.

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Cue burly, brute Germans bulldozing mountains of dead naked bodies into fiery pits.
What about bulldozing Palestinian homes, or destroying Iraqi homes from afar.
No....it must be Germans. We must remain true to our propaganda machinery.
Well, modern Germans are entirely emasculated...which "burly masculine figure" is left to demonize?
Russians.
Russians, ironically, fighting Ukrainian Nazis. Not fake Nazis, like those in your tiny head...but real, self-identifying ones.

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This is the result of millions of years of... evolution.
And yet, along with all that horror there came beauty.

War, as Heraclitus said, is the father of all.

Timon wrote:
Something from nothing.
Where all that exists are merely 'things'.
Who is this "burly Nazi" that believes such things?

No something from nothing...no "thing" at all.

Timon wrote:
I trust the thing in my head to tell me that. I trust an animal to tell me that we're all animals.
Planet of the Apes.
Me lady, you doth protest too much.
Have you been...despoiled by a burly ape, or is it that you haven't that you complain about?

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The ape on the lectern in the white lab coat is telling me I'm an ape.
Abiogenesis?
Survival of the fittest.... when there's nothing to survive in the first place.
The more you speak - hysterically - the more you reveal.

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How do we even begin?
Something from nothing.
I assume god, is what you believe.
Then, what of this good, benevolent god, that luvs us, who makes that burly ape in his image?

Timon wrote:
When survival is nothing more than a myth according to our cosmologists.
There is no beginning and no end.
I regret to inform you that immortality is not probable...placing you in a conundrum....why live at all?
Right?

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We see it clearly today, scientific progress leading to a new dark age.
There ya go.
It is science who is the culprit...and religion is the solution.
Have religious minds ever slaughtered....or are you stuck on WWII imagery and delve no further into history?
Greatest holocaust - on a per capita basis - was perpetrated where?
Which war did not slaughter men women and children?
Holy wars?
Check the bible.

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Dark energy, dark matter, quantum indeterminacy... the real nature of the universe is increasingly unknowable. That is reality. It's not that we're missing some pieces of the puzzle, the puzzle is increasingly completing itself. What the world is showing us is radically different to what we had formerly ever [hoped] believed.
No..."radically different" than what you believed...not I.
Ignorance is not an argument, sweetie.
You can't base your world-view on what you don't know, or what may be known in the future.
Men have built probability models from the start - adjusting them as new data came in.

Darkness will not save you from the probable.

Timon wrote:
Absolute time was the prevailing view for centuries, until Einstein.
Yet the Aborigines (a bunch of niggers) never believed in it.
No pagans did.

Timon wrote:
How did they remain ahead of the curve whilst the glorious civilization of the European Enlightenment - with all our material benefits - got it wrong?
Are they "noble savages" with an average IQ of 65?
Are they not capable of slaughter and violence?

Timon wrote:
Humans dominate the world? So some of them believe.
And at a terrible price.
For your delicate spirit, perhaps.
So, you advocate a return to the Aboriginal way of life?

Timon wrote:
The arrogance of the human ego is truly terrifying. It's desire is unlimited.
God teaches compassion and humility, self-limitation... man is not the Alpha and the Omega.
There ya go...Abrahamism.
We've identified our sensitive soul.

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Yet most remain blind, preferring instead to follow their appetites and the vicissitudes of their egos.
To be the judge and executioner.
And to be the final lawmaker.
Is that what you think I am saying?
Quote me where I present myself as judge and executioner...and not reporter of what is.

If survival of the fittest troubles you, sweetie, bring it up to your god, next time you speak with him in your empty head.
Ask him why a lion eats the gazelle, and why the strongest pass-on their genes and the weak do not.
Ask him why an infant has cancer and dies?
Ask him why evil was created, by him, I presume?

Read your bible to see large scale slaughter and human brutality...no need for Germans.
There's holocaust everywhere on those Old Testament pages.
Read your history and see how brutal those savages, you admire, truly are.

Are chimpanzees peaceful?
Are bonobos?

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Absolute time was the prevailing view for centuries, until Einstein.
Yet the Aborigines (a bunch of niggers) never believed in it.
How did they remain ahead of the curve whilst the glorious civilization of the European Enlightenment - with all our material benefits - got it wrong?

Sounds like a very reasonable assumption that time is "absolute". I take it you mean it passes with the same speed everywhere. That's a very accurate approximation, if you don't live on a fast moving space-ship for extended periods of time. (if we assume the theory is accurate)

So, did the Aborigines come to the same conclusions as Einstein also based on the Lorentz Transformation or did Lorentz copy it from the Aborigines? We know it wasn't Einstein who plagiarized it from the Aborigines because he would never do such a thing. Far too risky to palgiarize from an unvetted source.

I'd expect someone to make a joke about the Aborigines "getting it right" about the special relativity theory but you seem to be serious.

Maybe one day a galaxy will be discovered where time is running backwards, relative to ours. Then we can make jokes about how stoner Aaron was a genius for always talking about how time really moves backwards. Timon, you can then take this seriously and tell everyone about prophet Aaron and his wisdom.

Good thing is that we have an authority figure that we can trust, like Einstein, or Timon. Because how else would we know what to take seriously and what to dismiss, be it uttered by an Aborigine or some evil European. Somebody has to be the judge of it and only the most moral person, which apparently means the person who suffered the most (according to their own account) should be the judge of what is true. May the better sophist guide the herd.
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Satyr wrote:
What makes you think man has to become omniscient?
How simple you are.

Do you live under a rock?
What do you think the Enlightenment project is all about?
The search for the theory of everything... the technological singularity.
Eternal life.
The masses huddled in front of the electric Jew stuffing down their Big Macs.
Are the churches full?

Greek materialist philosophies combined with Christian materialism (the material possessed of divine attributes).
Man aspires to Godhood after the failure of a weak religion.
The particle accelerator replaces the cathedral.

Satyr wrote:
Given that the world is fluid, yet still patterned, man builds probabilities - adjusting them or discarding them as he advances.

A very feminine world view quite at odds with traditional patriarchal metaphysics where man is made in God's image and the world has been made to conform to his needs/wishes.

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According to you, he isn't an ape...but a god in waiting.

No, a wannabe. A pretender.
God is beyond comprehension, forever. Imagination cannot encompass Him.
A powerful antidote to egomaniacal materialists.

Satyr wrote:
Nazi = evil
American = good

They're all materialists, cut from the same cloth.
Each believes in the supremacy of the material.
Each advances their own utopian ideals.

Satyr wrote:
And yet, along with all that horror there came beauty.

War, as Heraclitus said, is the father of all.

And therefore barbarity is justified?
And therein is revealed your dark addiction to the material.
Regardless of the destruction it spreads.

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Me lady, you doth protest too much.

Your attempt to paint the other as feminine is telling.
Does that shadow grow darker with age?

Satyr wrote:
I assume god, is what you believe.

I'm a Perrenialist.
A dabbler in various traditions.

Satyr wrote:
There is no beginning and no end.

Is this prespective informed by Western science?
I don't think so.

Satyr wrote:
Have religious minds ever slaughtered...

Not on the scale of the materialists.
Not even close.
It's a question of balance.
The failure of the Ummayad Caliphate at the Battle of Tours in 730 was a great tragedy.
Had they won much of the horror perpetrated by Europeans could have been avoided.

Satyr wrote:
Men have built probability models from the start

Wrong. Western science was built on absolutes. Time and space, eternal, unchanging.
God doesn't play dice.
Isn't that what you believe... no beginnings or endings?

Satyr wrote:
Are they "noble savages" with an average IQ of 65?
Are they not capable of slaughter and violence?

They lived in symbiosis with the environment. Their animist faith did not place man above nature.

Satyr wrote:
We've identified our sensitive soul.

Ha!!!
From one who talks of fluids and probabilities?
Have you dilated today?
Abrahamism... the religion of the Patriarch compared to your more feminine world view of flowing possibilities.
Gender... fluid?

Satyr wrote:
Read your history and see how brutal those savages, you admire, truly are.

I'm not a Christian, but a Perrenialist.
But don't you admire them?
What about the beauty that comes along with the savagery?

Satyr wrote:
Are chimpanzees peaceful?
Are bonobos?

Right, because man has no choice over whether he commits evil.
He is just an animal.
Yet he can reject his animal nature whilst not becoming tyrannical with the right spiritual practices.
You can choose to do good in the face of evil, as the Christians did in the Colliseum.

Satyr wrote:
Quote me where I present myself as judge and executioner...and not reporter of what is.

I'm just doing my job is a refrain of those trying to shirk responsibility.
Calling yourself a reporter is to feign neutrality.
But not taking sides when evil presents itself is itself evil.

Is the ever changing an absolute?
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Anfang wrote:
which apparently means the person who suffered the most (according to their own account) should be the judge of what is true.

Existence is suffering.
Without it man becomes a mere toy.
The Abos remained in contact with their ancestors via their rituals and beliefs until 'superior' European civilization arrived.
Now Westerners mourn the loss of precisely the thing modernism has destroyed in their own societies.

How long will we believe in relativity?
Who knows and does it even matter when we already know it's wrong?
Reject it now and already you are out in front of the herd.

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Timon wrote:
Satyr wrote:
What makes you think man has to become omniscient?
How simple you are.

Do you live under a rock?
What do you think the Enlightenment project is all about?
The search for the theory of everything... the technological singularity.
Eternal life.
The masses huddled in front of the electric Jew stuffing down their Big Macs.
Are the churches full?
Once more, what makes you think humans can ever be omnipotent or omniscient.
Science is also infected with your psychosis....your humble arrogance.
They've been looking for the 'god particle' as well.
They still talk about M-Theory and the "beginning of the universe" because they are also indoctrinated and suffer from the same psychosis.
Shared madness.

Timon wrote:
Greek materialist philosophies combined with Christian materialism (the material possessed of divine attributes).
Man aspires to Godhood after the failure of a weak religion.
The particle accelerator replaces the cathedral.
Yes...once more, the psychosis of humble arrogance.
There is no 'god particle' no 'beginning of the universe' and no absolute.
M-Theory is impossible.

Timon wrote:
A very feminine world view quite at odds with traditional patriarchal metaphysics where man is made in God's image and the world has been made to conform to his needs/wishes.
A feminine world is a world where gossip, hearsay, social issues, the myth of love, relationships, emotions, subjectivity, dominates... cultivating, nurturing but never challenging, never innovating...never progressing.
Your Abrahamic one-god is the god of the feminine and the emasculated.
An authoritarian, totalitarian, god - hypermasculine god - where all must become his female concubines and breed his flock, his children.

Like sheeple.....the flock doesn't breed their own lambs, they belong to the shepherd to do as he pleases.

Timon wrote:
No, a wannabe. A pretender.
God is beyond comprehension, forever. Imagination cannot encompass Him.
A powerful antidote to egomaniacal materialists.
Beyond reality....beyond proof and argument. Conveniently...a god for insane schizophrenics.
You may be able to take the 'word of another' to surpass your doubts, but I can't.
My integrity doesn't permit me to fall that low.
How did Hitchen's put it:
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Simpleton. if you think I'm going to waste my time on a moron that wants me to believe what she cannot define, nor prove, nor admittedly understand herself, then you guilty of a greater error in judgement....There's a forum with individuals like you...ILP...I'm sure you know if it.
There you will find all kind of buffoons making all kinds of outlandish claims....being humoured for years on end. One refuses to define the words she is using, and others indulge her psychosis and continue to attempt a discussion with her... on nothing....because nothing has been defined, so what the hell are they debating?
Perhaps their god-given right to remain idiotic and not be pressured to prove otherwise.

Timon wrote:
They're all materialists, cut from the same cloth.
Each believes in the supremacy of the material.
Each advances their own utopian ideals.
You have issues with what is observable, tangible....don't ya?
Body image issues?
Many woman have those.

'Matter', for me, isn't a "thing" but a form of energy - a process.
Measurable, definable, falsifiable, observable, testable...useful.
The only use for your undefined ideas, with no reference, is as a narcotic.
But why do morons, like you, insist on becoming pushers of a narcotic nobody denied their choice to use?
I didn't come to your opium den to dissuade you from using it. In fact, I like that you use it - I prefer it.
I know what an addict without his drug oif choice is capable of.
I certainly don't want that.

Timon wrote:
And therefore barbarity is justified?
And therein is revealed your dark addiction to the material.
Regardless of the destruction it spreads.
Define "material".
I bet you that I don't accept nor believe in what you will describe.
Yet...you came here accusing me of it.

Simpleton, peace is atrophy, death is peace....whatever your emotional reactions might be.
"Necessity is the mother of invention" this is what Heraclitus means by "War is the father of all".
You are fighting, right now, as we speak, killing billions of living bacteria, repairing the damage they've done, using energies you've appropriated - stolen, exploited - from plants and animal life - LIFE, you've massacred and fed on.
You are responsible for a holocaust by the time you die and bacteria have their way with you.

Timon wrote:
Your attempt to paint the other as feminine is telling.
Does that shadow grow darker with age?
Your feminine psyche is obvious. You want to give yourself to another, body and mind; you want to surrender your will to it....become its means to its end.
That's the psychology of a female.
You fantasize about the one-god as a male figure, with masculine traits.
Commanding, controlling, demanding...asserting, taking...

Timon wrote:
I'm a Perrenialist.
A dabbler in various traditions.
Not a Hellene, not an indo-European traditionalist..you are Hebraic, Judaized.
Shame on you.

Timon wrote:
Is this prespective informed by Western science?
I don't think so.
Metaphysics.
Can you show me a beginning and an end.

But you need a beginning...a state of non-existence from where your god created existence from nothing.
Without this your Jewish god is debunked. Made entirely unnecessary.

Timon wrote:
Not on the scale of the materialists.
Not even close.
Read your history and factor in technology.

The biggest - per capita - holocaust ever perpetrated was by Christians...Americans.
Are you implying that you are "good" because you slaughtered less humans in the name of your god?
Ha!!!

How few can I slaughter and still maintain access to Paradise?
God...the book keeper.
Ha!!

Timon wrote:
It's a question of balance.
The failure of the Ummayad Caliphate at the Battle of Tours in 730 was a great tragedy.
Had they won much of the horror perpetrated by Europeans could have been avoided.
Your bible is full of slaughter and divinely sanctioned brutality.

Superstitious nonsense, but imbeciles still believe in it - literally.

Timon wrote:
Wrong. Western science was built on absolutes. Time and space, eternal, unchanging.
Time/Space is unchanging?
Simpleton.....time measures change...and space is expanding, and dividing...
Not things...ideas you confuse for things.
There is no immutable indivisible thing called time or space.

Timon wrote:
God doesn't play dice.
Isn't that what you believe... no beginnings or endings?
Another Jew quote.
Ha!!

In fact....the cosmos is not absolutely ordered...and what you call 'chance' refers to chaos - non-patterned energies.
It makes free-will and life necessary...not only possible, but necessary.
Ananke - primordial goddess = need, necessity.
Without chaos free-will is a joke.
Otherwise, imbecile...your god created a toy to brutalize and play with....because its bored....which puts in question its declared omnipotence.

Shit...you dragged me down to your level and are now forcing me to discuss ideas I was debating 20 years ago with infantile minds, like yours.
I'm not going to waste my time like that anymore. I wasted months on it, no years in fact - It was fun, for a while, then it became worthless and frustrating, as all conversations with retards and insane people.

An exercise in futility.

I'm just going to repeat..
1- your omniscient, omnipotent benevolent one-god made evil, or tolerates it...so go back to him and ask him why.
2- if everything requires a creator, then who created your god - infinite regress based on your confusions between representation and represented. A common confusion since self-consciousness is relatively new - by evolutionary temporal standards.
3- if your god is omniscient and made us in his image, then he already knows what we will do...so why does he make us suffer eternal damnation when he already knows and made us to break his totalitarian rules?
Cruel god. A sadist.
4- he gave us 'free-will' but then denied us the ability to use it....or he already knows how we will use it. A game...again a sadistic god.
No, an insane god, since a game you already know the result of is not fun at all.

Anyway...not going to fall down to your level with this fairy-tale stuff.

Timon wrote:
They lived in symbiosis with the environment. Their animist faith did not place man above nature.
Yes, simpleton, because pagan traditional societies live in harmony with nature....they ascribe to nature a divinity.
The Olympian gods.
Even 65 IQ aborigines do it.

Your god is above beyond outside nature, moron.
Those who believe in your god usually believe nature - world - was created for them to use and abuse, and that humans have a privileged position above animals.

Timon wrote:
Ha!!!
From one who talks of fluids and probabilities?
Have you dilated today?
Abrahamism... the religion of the Patriarch compared to your more feminine world view of flowing possibilities.
Gender... fluid?
Read the scripture you worship...find there anti-family messages.

The very narration of a traveling rebellious bum - Jesus - taking boys away from their families is the epitome of anti-family, if you consider how crucial the loss of a healthy adult male was to the welfare of a family, at the time.
Your Scripture is concealed nihilism.
I'm not going to search for those quotes that openly speak against the traditional family, but if you have any integrity you'll do it yourself.

Just the hierarchy, alone, is anti-biologial fatherhood.
An imaginary father-figure, forces a man to raise his biological children according to his will.
Abraham was going to slaughter his one begotten son, to prove what to who?
He cucked his own wife to the Pharaoh...
The impregnation of Mary is another example of divine cuckoldry to be accepted by biological males as the right of the king to have his way with his concubines.

Grow, the fuck, up.

Timon wrote:
I'm not a Christian, but a Perennialism.
But don't you admire them?
You're an Abrahamic.
Not all spiritualities are equal.

Timon wrote:
What about the beauty that comes along with the savagery?
Yes...
What of it?

Timon wrote:
Right, because man has no choice over whether he commits evil.
He is just an animal.
Animals and all life has a choice. This is what differentiates the living from the non-living.

Who are you debating?
Do you know what I am saying?
Who told you I was against free-will?
Have you read anything I've posted, ever?

Timon wrote:
Yet he can reject his animal nature whilst not becoming tyrannical with the right spiritual practices.
You can choose to do good in the face of evil, as the Christians did in the Colliseum.
Define 'good'.
I define every concept I refer to.
Every single one.
Do you? or do you throw around words as if you were making a point, when you don't even know what you are talking about?
ILP...go there.
There's a moron there throwing around Dasein, as if it is a devastating argument, a magical word, working in her favour...and the other morons humour her, and tolerate her...and continue to discuss with her....on what?
Nobody knows what the discussion is about....other than a word, 'Dasein', which can now mean anything, and nothing.
A meaningless discussion. Gibberish.
just to pass the time with pretentious pseudo-intellectual displays, and moral signaling.
The nonsense is about signalling moral belonging.
Defining terms would inhibit all-inclusivity. This way nobody is excluded nor hurt.
Subjectivity - everyone can have their own private definition of the word.
What matters is how it makes them feel.

Timon wrote:
I'm just doing my job is a refrain of those trying to shirk responsibility.
Calling yourself a reporter is to feign neutrality.
But not taking sides when evil presents itself is itself evil.
Objectivity is neutrality.
But once you see, what you do with it is entirely up to you.
So, objectivity leads to subjective success.

First you see 'what is', then you see who you are 'know thyself,' then you find an objective, a goal...
See, sweetie.
Objectivity is not an end, but a means - like asceticism.

Timon wrote:
Is the ever changing an absolute?
This is the umpteenth time I'm going to say it:
Absolute = indivisible, immutable.
Eternity has nothing to do with it, because eternity is a temporal reference, and time measures change - flux, interactivity - relative to an organism's physical metabolism, determining its mental speeds of perception and processing - its awareness.
'Time' is not a thing that exists out there. It refers to a relationship between patterned and non-patterned energies, relative to a life form.
Time measure change.
As such 'space' is a projection of possibilities  - expanding, i.e., outward and inward.
There is no 'thing' out there called 'space'.
Space refers to the field of perceived interactivity - flux.
Space is full of Energy - ergo there is no absolute zero temperature, even seemingly empty space has a temperature - it has a measurable interactivity.
All that exists is energy.
No-Energy is an imagined state of non-existence.
Man's mind can invert what it perceives and so non-existence, or absolutes exist sonly in human brains, as vague, undefinable, unprovable, ideas, concepts, abstractions - abstractions are neural clusters.
So, in a sense, these concepts do exists as representations - like unicorn, like cyclops, like one-god, like one and nil (1/0) - with no external referents.

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