This is a subject that I often talk about with others as it is very relevant to the times. Genuine masculinity is being, systematically, reduced and regulated. What is " genuine masculinity "? you ask. If you look back in history, across all cultures, you notice that there were specific gender roles. Males consisted of the following popular archetypes: warrior, sage, and king. These archetypes required bravery, leadership, decisiveness, mental toughness, grit, dominance, and wisdom. These characteristics make up genuine masculinity - primal masculinity. Ancient masculinity was more widespread and popular in the days of old. The virtues of bravery, grit, dominance, ruggedness, and physical prowess were ingrained into the psyches of the males since their early years. For Spartans and many other ancient warrior cultures, death in battle was one of the highest virtues. The Spartans were so focused on bravery that they wouldn't even allow cowards to procreate.
Many of these ancient warriors were unafraid to die in battle as they had deep seated convictions of what they were fighting for. I imagine that they even excitedly looked forward to a glorious death in battle. There is something within the male psyche the longs for brotherhood, for battle, adventure, conquest, and glory. The warriors of old lived out the way of primal masculinity.
“The best bid a man can make for the admiration of any women (even the most pious) is a display of undaunted physical prowess.” - Ragnar Redbeard
“He who turns the other cheek is a cowardly dog -- a Christian dog.” - Ragnar Redbeard
"Hate your enemies, & if a man smite you on one cheek, smash him down; smite him hip & thigh, for self preservation is the highest "law". He who turns the other cheek is a cowardly degenerate, a Christling, a Christian dog. Give blow for blow, doom for doom, scorn for scorn, with compounded interest liberally added thereunto. Make yourself a terror to your adversary. Thus shall you make yourself respected in all walks of life." ~ Ragnar Redbeard
But what do we see now in modern times? Do we still hear much about the virtues of old? Are most males brought up to be brave, strong-minded, physically tough, defiant, warrior like, etc? No, unfortunately, for the most part these primal masculine virtues are no longer virtues, but rather vices. Young boys are often tought in kindergarden that violence and aggression are negative/bad. And that passivity, getting along, and softness are positive/good. Males are being, psychologically, feminized from early on and throughout their entire lives. We can see in Hollywood now that it is trendy for males to be these emaciated, milk skinned, nerdy, weak, desperate, effeminate, beta-males.
The average man now is a weakling and a coward - emasculated. Why is this happening? Why is masculinity becoming highly reduced and regulated?
There are many different theories for why this universal emasculation is taking place. I believe that there are various factors at play here such as the State as sole alpha-male theory, radical feminist revenge ( misandry ) via memetic emasculation, and other ancient, nihilistic memes emanating from religion.
Feminism, now days, has a lot of political power. Most of the vocal, political feminists are, vehemently, anti-male/ anti-masculinity. This is no secret to many of you who are members of this forum. Many of these misandric feminists are using memetic warfare to, psychologically, castrate boys and men. This is based in their nihilism, their resentment towards the physical and intellectual dominance/superiority of the masculine. One example of their insidious tactics to emasculate males is to promote the idea that being a beta-male is more sexually attractive than being an alpha-male. This, of course, is absurd. We enlightened ones know how female psychology works. But the average, modern male is so disconnected from his primal masculinity that these man-hating females can dupe him into believing this bullshit. Most males are so clueless as to what makes females, sexually, attracted to males. As a result, the bullshit notion of " the feminine mystique " comes into existence. As Satyr noted, this idea of the feminine mystique is also supported by the contradictory nature of the modern female. A female will say one thing and then act in direct opposition to what she stated. This is a classic case of meme vs gene. Females say they want a polite, nice, sympathetic, gentleman who is in touch with his emotions ( meme ), but deep down inside, they are, sexually, attracted to aggressive, dominant, bad boys ( nature ). This is why beta-males always baffle at how the females they have been friend-zoned by always go back to their douche-bag boyfriends.
Back in the days of old, I bet that female psychology wasn't seen as some divine, mysterious thing in cultures that were in touch with nature. I imagine that most males were well aware of what makes females tick.
The frustrations of the modern male with modernity are surfacing. You can see it in movies like Fight club. Most boys and men long for brotherhood and conquest. Sports, gangs, and action movies simulate this primal masculine desire. But most of these simulations are insufficient. Most of them are akin to porn, i.e., a temporary release, but ultimately unfulfilling; artificial. The state is the great emasculator of mankind. Laws, moralisms, technologies, etc are making it more and more difficult for masculinity to be expressed.
As a male, I feel like modernity is a sort of prison - a meta-physical prison that uses memetic shackles in the attempt to bind my masculinity. As a more enlightened individual, who has seen through all the social bullshit of modernity, and who is seeking to regain his primal masculinity, I long for genuine brotherhood, a warrior culture, adventure and conquest, and a glorious death in battle for a real and passionate conviction.
I can strongly relate to this song below by Manowar " Warriors of the world " and the movie 300. It's like an echo in my mind of the not too distant past - a reminder of what it means to be masculine - to be a man.
I desire the return of the death defiant, rugged, warrior ethos that promotes strength and power and crushes all weakness and cowardice.
Do any of you feel the same way?
perpetualburn
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I desire the return of the death defiant, rugged, warrior ethos that promotes strength and power and crushes all weakness and cowardice.
An advanced society like ours offers one ample time to contemplate life in safety... But only a very few are satisfied with a life of pure contemplation...Eventually, no matter how much money you have, if you don't have that predisposition, you're going to become restless... Whereas, in ancient warrior cultures, I imagine the high value placed on dying in battle had a satisfying effect on the majority of men, the positive value on a violent death by the overarching culture in power... It's as if the majority of men felt they had a good "arc."... Now you cling to life as long as possible with making as few disturbances as possible, because we live in a culture of obsessive safety...
You're forced to carve out your own meaning and make your death mean something, because there's no culture to guide you. Unfortunately, most men are not satisfied with a war of words( the war we're in )... That ultimate defining death is gone... is considered "barbaric" by modern culture... The military is more of a global police force, bravery exhibited doesn't transfer into our culture... it's like any sacrifice is only truly appreciated by a small community... I say "truly" because when someone does anything heroic, it's just another story on the evening news to be swept away by a wave of shitty entertainment...it has no effect on the overall behavior of the majority.... In fact, it's just a tool for the state, the media to manipulate for their own ends,... "support our troops!"
A better question might be, how can you bring forward a warrior culture and a technology culture, where progress of the latter doesn't destroy the former and where the values of the warrior culture doesn't inhibit the technology culture... Right now, a large mass of idiots and slaves is necessary to have our "progress." So any talk of "warrior" cultures that doesn't take into account the enormous complexity of the modern world, will only be met with ridicule (maybe rightly so).... We have to redefine what progress is... We have to be political... Not everyone is a philosopher... No one here is...
Back in the days of old, I bet that female psychology wasn't seen as some divine, mysterious thing in cultures that were in touch with nature. I imagine that most males were well aware of what makes females tick.
Somehow I doubt that.
"There are more naive men than women in this world." - around 1900 I think so too. Don't overestimate women, but also, don't underestimate them. Because women are physically weaker, they developed their more subtle ways.
Perpetualburn wrote: " A better question might be, how can you bring forward a warrior culture and a technology culture, where progress of the latter doesn't destroy the former and where the values of the warrior culture doesn't inhibit the technology culture... Right now, a large mass of idiots and slaves is necessary to have our "progress." So any talk of "warrior" cultures that doesn't take into account the enormous complexity of the modern world, will only be met with ridicule (maybe rightly so).... We have to redefine what progress is... We have to be political... Not everyone is a philosopher... No one here is..."
This would be very difficult. All these modern laws and technological surveillance systems make it very strenuous to express masculinity and get away with it, e.g., If someone disrespects you verbally, you have to second guess whether or not you go and beat the living shit out of that person due to the great possibility of the police getting involved. Men are not allowed to deal with situations in life as men; we are excepted to take the feminine route and call the police for help, turn the other cheek, etc. Cowardice has become the great virtue of our times; the supposed " bigger man" is suppose to walk away from his confrontations instead of confronting his adversary ( like a man ) and smash him down. You've heard that saying before " Just be the bigger man and walk away " when dealing with someone verbally assaulting you; what a bunch of cowardice and effeminacy. This sort of cowardice logic emanates from religio-morality ( Christianity, buddhism, etc ).
I don't, really, see how technological advancement and primal masculinity can co-exist. The state will always use technology against the general masculine population. Technology in itself is fine, but once it gets into the hands of politicals, then that's when it becomes a problem for masculinity.
perpetualburn
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Perpetualburn, are you trying to tell us all something by having that avatar?...it's kinda gay
How so?
_________________ And here we always meet, at the station of our heart / Looking at each other as if we were in a dream /Seeing for the first time different eyes so supreme / That bright flames burst into vision, keeping us apart.
Perpetualburn, you portray yourself as being of Northern European blood and that according to the likes of Mannequin and PR make you weak. PR portrays himself as being one of African descent in a "Thor" costume, and somehow that denotes strength.
Perpetualburn, are you trying to tell us all something by having that avatar?...it's kinda gay
How so?
Well, if you remove the stubble, what do you see? A woman, or a man who resembles a woman with those feminine features. I knew a gay guy once, who looked exactly like that man in your avatar, like an exact twin.
Not the loud superficial type with an affected voice, but a raw mix of masculinity and femininity, a mature motherly nature with a sharp domineering mind.
Well, if you remove the stubble, what do you see? A woman, or a man who resembles a woman with those feminine features
I guess we see things very differently because I don't see any feminine features, facial hair or not...
_________________ And here we always meet, at the station of our heart / Looking at each other as if we were in a dream /Seeing for the first time different eyes so supreme / That bright flames burst into vision, keeping us apart.
Canterbury wrote: “The best bid a man can make for the admiration of any women (even the most pious) is a display of undaunted physical prowess.” - Ragnar Redbeard
"This has to be a joke."
No, it's no joke; It works. The finest feminines are attracted to the best fighting males. I've experienced the veracity of this claim first hand as a boxer. And to answer your initial post, " milk skinned" is another way of saying " soft/weak".
And what is this tomfoolery about me portraying myself as a negroid? I am Caucasoid. You misunderstood my " milk skinned " reference; It has nothing to do with race.
Whatever the common use may be of the term "milk skinned" I find it offensive. Fortunately there is a good word to express my distaste for people who try to belittle white people, niggers. It has nothing to do with having African heritage (that would be racist); maybe you're a nihilistic white-nigger, what do I care, either way let me reiterate what I was saying elsewhere; you have a long ways to go.
Mannequin is self-effacing, but he actual shows more knowledge and intelligence than you do. He is purposefully self-effacing, which I find to be less pitiful than doing so unwittingly. He has a milk-white avatar, it is probably not a coincidence, because I suspect, that like you, he sees weakness when he sees light skin. You're both delusional.
If it wasn't for your blatant trollish way of using words, Canterbury, I might, actually, contemplate becoming indignant with you, but your comments make me laugh.
" Nihilistic, white-nigger"
hahahaha XD
please, what else do you have under your sleeve of malarkey?
"I've experienced the veracity of this claim first hand as a boxer."
I will make the pretense of concession.
So, yes, as a boxer; where your opponents were all people. Such cowardice! Why would you limit yourself to people, as if you couldn't compete with any other animals!?
"So, yes, as a boxer; where your opponents were all people. Such cowardice! Why would you limit yourself to people, as if you couldn't compete with any other animals!?"
Haha I haven't had the chance to take my Norse axe into the wilderness yet to defeat a giant grizzly bear, but it's on my to do list before I die.
To limit it to people is to keep the killing clean, a distinction in level of development of the organism. Filtering out the worst has a high value, and a relative one.
_________________ "I do not exhort you to work but to battle; I do not exhort you to peace but to victory. May your work be a battle; may your peace be a victory." -TSZ
