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I desire the return of the death defiant, rugged, warrior ethos that promotes strength and power and crushes all weakness and cowardice.
An advanced society like ours offers one ample time to contemplate life in safety... But only a very few are satisfied with a life of pure contemplation...Eventually, no matter how much money you have, if you don't have that predisposition, you're going to become restless... Whereas, in ancient warrior cultures, I imagine the high value placed on dying in battle had a satisfying effect on the majority of men, the positive value on a violent death by the overarching culture in power... It's as if the majority of men felt they had a good "arc."... Now you cling to life as long as possible with making as few disturbances as possible, because we live in a culture of obsessive safety...

You're forced to carve out your own meaning and make your death mean something, because there's no culture to guide you. Unfortunately, most men are not satisfied with a war of words( the war we're in )... That ultimate defining death is gone... is considered "barbaric" by modern culture... The military is more of a global police force, bravery exhibited doesn't transfer into our culture... it's like any sacrifice is only truly appreciated by a small community... I say "truly" because when someone does anything heroic, it's just another story on the evening news to be swept away by a wave of shitty entertainment...it has no effect on the overall behavior of the majority.... In fact, it's just a tool for the state, the media to manipulate for their own ends,... "support our troops!"

A better question might be, how can you bring forward a warrior culture and a technology culture, where progress of the latter doesn't destroy the former and where the values of the warrior culture doesn't inhibit the technology culture... Right now, a large mass of idiots and slaves is necessary to have our "progress." So any talk of "warrior" cultures that doesn't take into account the enormous complexity of the modern world, will only be met with ridicule (maybe rightly so).... We have to redefine what progress is... We have to be political... Not everyone is a philosopher... No one here is...
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PostSubject: Re: Primal Masculinity vs Modernity's Feminzation Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:29 am

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Back in the days of old, I bet that female psychology wasn't seen as some divine, mysterious thing in cultures that were in touch with nature. I imagine that most males were well aware of what makes females tick.
Somehow I doubt that.

"There are more naive men than women in this world." - around 1900
I think so too. Don't overestimate women, but also, don't underestimate them.
Because women are physically weaker, they developed their more subtle ways.

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Perpetualburn, are you trying to tell us all something by having that avatar?...it's kinda gay
How so?
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Well, if you remove the stubble, what do you see? A woman, or a man who resembles a woman with those feminine features
I guess we see things very differently because I don't see any feminine features, facial hair or not...
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PostSubject: Re: Primal Masculinity vs Modernity's Feminzation Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:46 pm

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What?!!!.. seriously ?

If you removed the stubble, he looks exactly like a typical mixed race young new York girl, or like a lighter Whitney Houston .

You do see that, right?
Now I know you're just messing around...Or you have no eye for aesthetics... You'll tire of petty mischievousness sooner or later...
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PostSubject: Re: Primal Masculinity vs Modernity's Feminzation Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:11 pm

This from a liberal panel of morons.

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PostSubject: Re: Primal Masculinity vs Modernity's Feminzation Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:31 pm

More extreme example:

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PostSubject: Re: Primal Masculinity vs Modernity's Feminzation Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:28 pm

Everything serves the existing power structure. Feminization is highly productive in capitalist society; consisting of win-win interactions. Submissive conformity is the basis of civilization, it provides internal stability. I admire both master manipulators of modernity and valorous men of pre-modernity. Recognize the game that is being played and try to excel at it.

The Mongol and Roman empire's both began as Hyper-Dominant expansionary warring tribes. In order to sustain them selves resorted to bottom-up economies -- which eventually turned the aristocratic top-down culture into a reverse proletariat/plebs dominated culture. Money starts dominating politics, war, and castes. Feminine traits flourish while masculine traits become suppressed through spectacles (gladiator games, etc, etc.), the elite become sophists and brew massive corruption. All the characteristics that made the empire disappear; civilization is defeated by it's own victory. In those days masculine pagan Germanic tribes and barbaric Muslims conquered and replaced the declining empires.
We see this today with suicidal western birth rates and massive third world immigration.

I think a post scarcity world would pretty much resemble A Brave New World. All the trends seem to be pointing the other way tho. Infinite growth system clashing with finite resources. We are at peak everything. Nations within nations are starting to form; no more monolithic culture to unite everyone. A Neo-liberal global hegemony is starting to look like a pipe dream; most notably Russian allegiance to traditionalism and resistance to American influence. Take a look at western sexual strategies; r-type is prevalent with omega males dominating, responsible alpha males out of the picture and beta males totally ignored. The number of single mothers are at an all time high; usually only the case under times of great war. This gives signals to the children's biological chemistry for times of high scarcity and conflict. The initial conditions that created and sustained feminization are destroyed. Feminism is defeated by it's own victory.

I find modern society highly interesting even fulfilling. Everything is intellectualized, everyone is for sale, nothing is real. A sea of depravity. Yet there remains a certain aesthetic value in the nihilism.  

These exemplify it:

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PostSubject: Re: Primal Masculinity vs Modernity's Feminzation Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:40 pm

PR; is you're attraction to the heroic just not another form of death denial? Similar to consumerism and fundmentalism in today's society.

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PostSubject: Re: Primal Masculinity vs Modernity's Feminzation Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:59 am

A nihilist to me is an ex-theist.

From the conception that reality has an inherent meaning imposed by a divine agent, they subtract the divine agent and find a reality devoid of any inherent meaning. They then lament the pointlessness of existence and search for reasons to escape or end it.

This shows their effeminate slavishness; meaning must originate from without, from the other or reality itself and be imposed upon the self. No surprise that these dilapidated fucks would then invert reality with such conceptions as an apathetic, pessimistic, paralyzed, impotent "Genuine Hero" who practices "grateful indifference", an implicit admission of utter inadequacy and failure characterized by his ability to endure life rather than enjoy it.

Meaning is an invention of mankind created to serve his own needs and desires.
It is a personal, conceptual or social phenomena which has no bearing on objective reality.

An ubermensch can say Yes to the eternal recurrence and has overcome his resentment towards his own temporality, his finite existence. He has accepted that all he does will crumble and still finds value and meaning in doing it nonetheless.
He loves his life because it is his. It is precious because it is finite.

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PostSubject: Re: Primal Masculinity vs Modernity's Feminzation Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:57 am

My thoughts on Nil-ism.

A nihilist is someone who surrenders to no-thing-ness. This is not an action but an in-action. The meaningfulness of a life can't be stockpiled indefinitely, it erodes away. It is an enduring search, an effort. The nihilist surrenders and so decay of meaning ensues.

But, it's not just the surrender - nothing is perfectly focused all the time. The nihilist finds distractions to comfort him-/herself in times of decay. Hedonism being one of these comforting distractions.

And it's even more than that. No-thing-ness becomes the new covert ideal, hiding behind the facade of some absolute-thing ideal.
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PostSubject: Re: Primal Masculinity vs Modernity's Feminzation Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:31 pm

My take:

If we posit reality, the world, as the positive, the 1, no matter how much of it we can perceive, then the rejection and/or the denial of this positive is its nullification, the nil, the negative, the 0.

Of course, in this case the singular one is meant as a representation of the real which is neither one nor nil, but a fluctuation in the in-between, a towards.
In this case positive, or one, indicates what is present and perceived, rather than what is imagined and hypothesized and theoretical.
I say one tree, but the tree is never stable, and never the same one every time I use the symbol the verbal term, to refer to it.

Up to now a reversal has been in play, a false reality has been presented as the "positive".
For example, where there is change, normally occurring, a static thing, has been presented as the positive. The 1, in this case being mistaken as the abstraction of reality, and taken literally as a singularity.
Where there is imperfection, imprecision, degrees, a certainty, a gnosis, an absolute has been put in its place.
Even in the sciences this search for the elusive absolute state: particle, absolute zero temperature, absolute point of departure, as in Big Bang, absolute morals, has been taken for granted.
Man's simplifications, abstractions, and the symbols words he invented to express and share them, are now the "positive".

And, naturally, what stands as the negative, in relation to that would be the real: absence of an absolute, of meaning, of purpose, a teleos, the perfect, the final, the singular the beginning/end, the good/bad.  
This is why in the Bible the "word" comes first, and the "word" is not "bird", but God.
The concept makes sense only if you take the term, the symbol, literally, as a static, beginning/end, an anthropomorphic representation of what is absent in reality: the absolute.

This is why we live in an age of nihilism and within false dichotomies, and within erroneous premises.
It takes a particularly sophisticated brain to begin to think outside these on/off binary mechanisms. This is why nihilism comes easy to the dull and the dim, and why it is so pervasive and popular and dominating.

In our time of reversals, all is turned on its head.
The concept of nihilism is now associated with the denial that there is an absolute, meaning, purpose, morality, and so on. In other words, the real is now made into the nil, and the denial of the real is the new "positive".
This is so natural, because reproduction has permitted inferior brains to multiply (Dysgenics), and so pervasive, that it now infects every aspect of human thinking.

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The real as a state of Flux, fluidity, constant (inter)activity, has now been replaced by the methods the brain evolved to conceptualize this Flux into things, into positions in space/time, into ideas, into absolutes, by simplifying and generalizing fluidity into a four dimensional representation which can go by many names: thing, object, here, now, self, being, God and so on.
This is because the human mind is still in its infancy, and most brains, having been born within an environment of sheltering, where any Tom, Dick, and Harry has been given a "right", and has been protected from his own stupidity, an reproduce his inferior brain, with another retard, who cannot tell the difference between superior and inferior or has been infected with the cultural norm where such value judgments are considered sinful.  
The human fabrications of morality and monogamy, as they've been applied so far, also contribute to this propagation of lower level brains.
Females, who were meant to be a natural filtering mechanism, have now been directed to serve as social filtering mechanisms, choosing memetically whatever the man-made system trains them, from birth, to consider preferably.

It is easy to understand why the method has been misconstrued for the actual fact, when one takes into account the previously mentioned social and cultural circumstances.
Along with them we should also keep in mind that such brains, so dependent on sheltering to come about and to persevere, and to remain valuable, would also show an inclination towards despising anything and anyone who exposes them to a truth they cannot fully understand nor accept, without putting their own existence into question.

What is ironic is that the very brains so dependent on superficial appearances can then also be trained and convinced, because this also sheltered them form the reality of the world, that appearances do not matter.
You have a double, self-delusion, coming into play here. first the brain mistaken its own representations, his ideas, and ideals for the real, the noumenon for the phenomenon, the word for the action, but then it also must soften the awareness further by detaching it from the apparent.
Sp, the world becomes twice removed.
First, it is mistaken for the mental representation of it, and then this representation is denied relevance, turning the real into some fantastic, ambiguity, that can be anything; and because it can be anything it most likely will be what is preferred by the majority.  

Community is important here, much more than it was in primal states, because now the individual's entire self-worth, his/her entire perception of reality is dependent on the support and validation of a majority who also believe in the exact same mythologies, and who in conjunction maintain the cocooning, solipsism, of modern institutional living.
Because the senses have lost all relevance, except for directing the will in accordance to prescribed behaviors within a fabricated environment, emotion is proposed as the alternative sensation.
emotion because after the initial sensual stimulation, the automated response, which is what emotion is, takes over to direct the individual's thinking, and behaving.
It is because this traumatic response can be easily directed and recalibrate that it must be preserved as the preferred first response, the first impression, usurping reason or afterthought, or hindsight, or forethought.
The individual must be trained to become an animal, in his/her conceptualizations, and judgments, living in the moment, as it were, finding meaning and purpose in the immediate, the materialistic the hedonistic, what comes easy and requires no thinking.
This automatization is easy to submit to and to train/educate into the individual brain, when you use its natural predispositions, such as fear, hunger, sexual desire, or any emotion or sensation already present in the organism because of evolution.

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A return to reality would be a return to the understanding that language is symbolic, an art-form, representing the real, not being it.
Reality is fluid, yet language uses static forms, and representations, as any art does.
A return to the admission that man may not know all, the absolute some-thing, but neither does he know nothing, the absolute no-thing, and that what he does know is always changing so it requires constant reaffirmation.

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PostSubject: Re: Primal Masculinity vs Modernity's Feminzation Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:58 pm

Self-awareness which is not based on the thinking....

Someone can observe him-/herself while the thinking-process takes place. Self-awareness, self-consciousness.
That part, which observes the thinking process, makes it possible to recognize and experience that disconnect between what is out there and the thinking which is done within. To realize this abstraction which is taking place while doing the thinking. To realize this disconnect, not as an idea but as an experience.

I think this requires a strong connection between the more primal, sensory parts of the brain and its thinking domain.
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PostSubject: Re: Primal Masculinity vs Modernity's Feminzation Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:55 pm

What you are looking for because it's missing - that's what you think and talk a lot about.
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PostSubject: Re: Primal Masculinity vs Modernity's Feminzation Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:42 pm

Do these people ever become masculine or are they bound to forever switch from one form femininity to another? How is building muscles in this day and age (or any other age, in fact, since building muscles is unnatural, a sign of weakness even) a sign of masculinity? It looks more like a sign of feminized masculinity to me. A degree of muscle building I can understand, but only if it's a consequence of genuine fear of mortal combat. But in this day and age, such a fear is rarely triggered and most people build muscles purely for hedonistic reasons (just as many people use mind -- see scientists and philosophers of all sorts -- purely for hedonistic reasons.) And last I heard hedonism is feminine . . .

Discomfort used to be what people feared before, but this is no longer the case. What should be feared/fought today is comfort, and not by fighting against some imaginary discomfort or by forcing yourself into discomfort, but by resisting comfort that is given to you.

The concept of masculinity can easily become self-referential. Not rooted in reality, as a synthesis of what has been in the past and what is in the present, it either becomes based purely on one's past (back to primal masculinity which is hilariously inapplicable in this day and age) or it becomes based purely on one's present (as whatever social trends define to be masculinity.)

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