Let us pollute all of our air and water on our rampant quest for domination. It doesn't matter because later we can use all of our smarts to clean it all up!! And if that doesn't work out pff simple, we will hop on a spaceship and fly to the next water hole!! duh! LOL
rather than just toning it down a bit, and learning to get along within this environment, on this planet
Ain't gonna happen. War is the father of all....The monster feeds on your desire, your will to play this little game. He only exists within you. The greatest source of power in humans comes through the control & understanding of their own psychology.
If someone were to tell me about a death drive in humans, a destructive, war-like need to do violence, either on others, or when your instincts turn on yourself.....
I would not expect them also to claim that intelligence was always a good thing, by default.
.....Guess what happens when you are destructive, but have no one to play with except yourself?
That's really, really, really not what I meant. And I absolutely know what you thinking whilst making out the supposed meaning. Still building this caricature out of others in order to first and foremost explain things. Me? I work from the opposite direction. Which is why I rarely misinterpret, also why others find you frustrating. If you really contemplated, took my advice, then this jigsaw puzzle could be solved.
“Ἐδιζησάμην ἐμεωυτόν: I searched myself.”
― Heraclitus, Fragments
This is until then useless. Played very nice in order to not activate any sort of defensive state, though ignorance insues in just making slight considerations. Won't respond again untill you make some valid interpetations of previous statements. Not much else to say.
Recidivist
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Let us pollute all of our air and water on our rampant quest for domination. It doesn't matter because later we can use all of our smarts to clean it all up!! And if that doesn't work out pff simple, we will hop on a spaceship and fly to the next water hole!! duh! LOL
Come on my dear, if nukes didn't exist you be claiming that conventional war is a global threat, or that we're all going to be wiped out by some vengeful god. Liberal pussies have been talking this shit since the dawn of time.
You've also failed to notice the huge industries we've created around recycling and environmental regeneration as well as alternative forms of energy all of which profits the West. Which ever way you cut the cake my dear, it works in the interest of the most intelligent races.
Don't let me stop you trolling though.
_________________ “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” - - George Orwell
Let us pollute all of our air and water on our rampant quest for domination. It doesn't matter because later we can use all of our smarts to clean it all up!! And if that doesn't work out pff simple, we will hop on a spaceship and fly to the next water hole!! duh! LOL
Come on my dear, if nukes didn't exist you be claiming that conventional war is a global threat, or that we're all going to be wiped out by some vengeful god. Liberal pussies have been talking this shit since the dawn of time.
When you ask for an example of a threat, you ask for plausible scenario. I am not saying that it will happen, I am saying that it could. Instruments of dominance, when destructive, tend to destruct. Imagine that.
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You've also failed to notice the huge industries we've created around recycling and environmental regeneration as well as alternative forms of energy all of which profits the West. Which ever way you cut the cake my dear, it works in the interest of the most intelligent races.
Don't let me stop you trolling though.
What I meant was the ultimate depletion of our star. Recycle that.
Recidivist
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What I meant was the ultimate depletion of our star. Recycle that.
A scenario already predicted, a solution already theorized...
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Dyson Sphere
Dyson sphere is a hypothetical megastructure that completely encompasses a star and hence captures most or all of its power output. It was first described by Freeman Dyson. Dyson speculated that such structures would be the logical consequence of the long-term survival and escalating energy needs of a technological civilization, and proposed that searching for evidence of the existence of such structures might lead to the detection of advanced intelligent extraterrestrial life.
What happens when someone rejects that extended 'love'? Those are then outside of the in-group. And as the in-group grows they push those on the outside to the periphery. But hey, they brought that on themselves by not being with the in-group. From a neutral observant point of view, there is this one group, the 'in-group' and in that example that group grows in strength and dominates the other groups. It assimilates what is willing to be assimilated and the smaller, dominated groups on the outside shrink and perish away.
And then we find members in the in-group who have the audacity to talk about the evils of dominance. What they are actually feeling is the finiteness of life-time of the dominant group which they are a part of. Either the exhaustion of resources, an overshooting effect of the growth of the group or simply entropic decay of their group-psychological-constitution. Mutations without selection pressure.
The in-group members grow restless and they have a desire to find an enemy. They start pointing fingers and are tearing out each others hairs. Fighting over what is left with typically feminine methods. A holier than thou competition.
So sweet of you to aspire to such an amazing technological future, and yet to be stuck on such primitive concepts as a political left and right. Mind you, it is this same political system which insists in cutting research funding, and funneling into fighting wars.
Alas, since we can't all agree on our common goals, let us hope that private funds have goals similar to yours, and lets us hope that we can pick up the crumbs they they drop.
Mo Lamb
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Come on my dear, if nukes didn't exist you be claiming that conventional war is a global threat, or that we're all going to be wiped out by some vengeful god. Liberal pussies have been talking this shit since the dawn of time.
You were just talking about traversing the galaxy and colonizing other planets, hypocrite.
Which is a more immediate threat: nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists, or a cosmic gamma ray exploding the earth (or whatever the fuck you were talking about)?
You were just talking about traversing the galaxy and colonizing other planets, hypocrite.
Look up the meaning of hypocrisy, and learn.
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Which is a more immediate threat: nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists, or a cosmic gamma ray exploding the earth (or whatever the fuck you were talking about)?
As I already explained to you, nuclear weapons don't constitute a global threat. Not even remotely.
phoneutria wrote:
seems to believe that the existence of a theoretic solution to a threat equals certain salvation
Conversely, seems to think the existence of a threat equals certain death.
_________________ “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” - - George Orwell
Mo Lamb
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Then what did you mean when you said, "war is the father of all...and this monster exists within you"? I only took that to mean that humans have destructive impulses, and that these can be turned inward.
If you are going to say something novel, then get used to people misunderstanding you. It'll be common. That's not an apology though, I still think you could be clearer than you are.
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Still building this caricature out of others in order to first and foremost explain things.
You are speaking bullshit now. I don't caricature people. And what I thought you said above is something I would have agreed with.
Is intelligence a good evolutionary strategy? Absolutely. Should we actively breed it? Absolutely not.
We do not select. Nature does. Our job is to iterate.
I don't recall anyone advocating a eugenics program on this forum.
Since I've only ever argued that nature is indeed selecting more intelligent organisms, the evidence of this being how they are thriving, you now seem to be agreeing with this.
Or is this a case of your trolling backfiring?
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Anfang
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Is intelligence a good evolutionary strategy? Absolutely. Should we actively breed it? Absolutely not.
We do not select. Nature does. Our job is to iterate.
I don't recall anyone advocating a eugenics program on this forum.
Since I've only ever argued that nature is indeed selecting more intelligent organisms, the evidence of this being how they are thriving, you now seem to be agreeing with this.
Is intelligence a good evolutionary strategy? Absolutely. Should we actively breed it? Absolutely not.
We do not select. Nature does. Our job is to iterate.
Self-consciousness is nature directing itself.
What is the point of intelligence if you are not going to use it when choosing your partner?
By "we do not select", I mean that we do not decide what attributes get passed along. Nature does. We present our iterations to Nature. Being criterious when it comes to selecting a mate is a pretty widespread behavior among females. Some like long feathers, some like intelligence, some like V8 engines. It should not concern us for the future of mankind if women give up their uterus based on how loud a machine can rev. Nature will take care of all that.
Mo Lamb
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By "we do not select", I mean that we do not decide what attributes get passed along. Nature does. We present our iterations to Nature. Being criterious when it comes to selecting a mate is a pretty widespread behavior among females. Some like long feathers, some like intelligence, some like V8 engines. It should not concern us for the future of mankind if women give up their uterus based on how loud a machine can rev. Nature will take care of all that.
It won't go well for someone who burdens themselves with worries like that. But from the tops of our heads, more loud engines means more noise.
By "we do not select", I mean that we do not decide what attributes get passed along. Nature does.
Don't or can't? If we don't then so what, one can start, yes? If you mean we can't, then you're wrong, as otherwise breeding for any particular characteristics wouldn't be possible, which is obviously not the reality. Patterns in anatomy as well as behavior / psychology (which encompasses everything) are readily observable / deducible, so no, nature doesn't necessarily determine these things, i.e. it's not necessarily "random". It's only random to unthinking simpletons and those who are incapable of perceiving such patterns...
Also nature doesn't "decide" anything, it just does.
Satyr Daemon
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Intelligence is not a teleos for nature....it is a means to an end.
The environment determines how much intelligence and what kind of intelligence, will pas on its genes. In Nihilistic ones, in modern ones....it is a form of autism.
You are speaking bullshit now. I don't caricature people. And what I thought you said above is something I would have agreed with.
Perhaps too harsh, but you did not bother to even guess as I assumed.
Choose either side and in percise detail explain why. If then, no matter what side, you will have gained my respect. There are no middle grounds in this subject. Though I still maintain great appreciation for certain members within both.
Mo Lamb
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Choose either side and in percise detail explain why. If then, no matter what side, you will have gained my respect. There are no middle grounds in this subject. Though I still maintain great appreciation for certain members within both.
I'm on Nietzsche's side. - I like his conception of 'truth'. - I think the idea of an eternal recurrence provides a good guide to life, if not a cosmology. - In general, I think we should be focused on this-worldly things, not other-wordly. - I think there's truth, descriptively, to his account of how values are forged.
But most of all (and this is why you risk making a caricature out of yourself), I like his ability to notice subtlety, and similar influences affecting even diverse phenomena, and diverse phenomena affecting similar influences. Conceptually, you might be able to carve up the world into polar opposite categories... but in reality, things are the shade of grey that you get when you mix small elements of black and white...
Why do you think Nietzsche describes his Ubermensch as a "Caesar with the soul of Christ"? Notice any similarities between an Eternal Recurrence model of the universe, and a Buddhist one? Why did he say that Jesus had attributes of nobility?
I'm on Nietzsche's side. - I like his conception of 'truth'. - I think the idea of an eternal recurrence provides a good guide to life, if not a cosmology. - In general, I think we should be focused on this-worldly things, not other-wordly. - I think there's truth, descriptively, to his account of how values are forged.
That was kind of dishonest. Obviously Nietzsche would have had a more coherent view of every single minutia; I added the Napleon video to further signify this. I was speaking in regards to an overall Telos.
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and this is why you are full of shit and making a caricature out of yourself
As if that's not some kind caricature-ization ironicaly. Personally I'm extremely honest if you would just trust me on that.
See we have different conceptualizations on it all, so it's hard to find equal footing.
This is one of the greatest Christian movies ever made. I wont lie that I don't find it very soothing, appealing, etc. Just take that scene.
Then take the greatest Christian movie ever produced: The last Temptation of Christ. Pretty much because Martin Scorsese always had Nietzsche on his mind making his movies; that one being a kind of direct response. Nietzsche and Jesus having almost identical starting points in the context of the movie, with differing solutions, conclusions, etc. If you've seen it you know what I mean. But I think you can understand the point even if you haven't.
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Conceptually, you might be able to carve up the world into polar opposite categories... but in reality, things are the shade of grey that you get when you mix small elements of black and white...
The Universe as an eternal struggle between dynastic polar opposites. Infininte varieties of Ying & Yang. Within every single object, one always having the domination over the over.
Just answer the Telos part in great detail. Which side?
Mo Lamb
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Just answer the Telos part in great detail. Which side?
As I said, I favour a this-wordly focus, not an other-worldly one. That tells you which side I'm on. I do not locate my telos by the light of some starry dynamo in the machinery of night. Not god's grace. Nor a noumenal realm. Not salvation. Nor cessation of anything. Whether God exists or not, I certainly don't care, and it has zero impact on how I will live. (Have you heard of the Euthyphro Dilemma? I'm clearly on one side of it).
So, as for a 'this-wordly' telos... is Nietzsche any help? Nietzsche calls the Ubermensch "the meaning of the earth". --The problem is that he says practically nothing about what an Ubermensch actually is. It's supposed to be a synthesis of master and slave qualities. The psychological complexity of a slave. The nobility of a master. Not much substantially beyond that is written.
I don't even think Nietzsche himself knew what an Ubermensch actually was. Shortly before his mind started to break, he called himself a nihilist... and I think he was right. Power is not a telos. The Ubermensch is vague. Revaluing values only begs the question. The repetition of Eternal Recurrence doesn't help. Any other ideas?
So, onward. You repay a teacher badly if you remain only a student, right? ...But you know where I look, and what side I'm on...
