Madonna-Whore Complex

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In short:
The woman I desire sexually, I can't love
The woman I love, I can't desire sexually

Of course all the analyses on the internet of this phenomenon are all a bunch of neo-Freudian baloney, presented by feminists who say that we need to fight against Madonna-Whore Complex.

But this phenomena itself, does it exist? And if so, what are the reasons? Can they be rooted in evolutionary psychology or is this another mental disorder, or atleast mental alienation, created by modern social systems?

I recently had a conversation with a guy, we were agreeing on how modern women are disgusting and acting irrationally, both of us showed signs of contempt on the matter. But his final words on the matter were: "Still though, I'm always going for the slutty type..."

As for me, I also recognize this complex somewhat occuring in myself. If I fancy some woman, I never fantasize about her sexually, at least I don't fantasize about anything wildly sexual or wildly perverted. I don't fantasize how I would like to defile her. Not at all.
And I only fancy the somewhat sweet and pure types of women, Madonnas. Also I would like to believe (perhaps I'm being naive though) that these women are sweet in a sense that I don't ever have to hear how "she is great swallowing cum down the hatch" or how "I've fucked that slut in the asshole". By definition, in my books, sweet girls don't take it to the asshole.

Now a slutty woman who comes at me exposing straight out her tits and ass and who says she loves to be fucked in the asshole, might get me off, but I feel a strong sense of remorse afterwards. I could not "love" her for more than one night. In fact it's hard for me to even interact at all with this kind of woman afterwards. I'd rather not see her again, literally.

Of course I know that I'm being somewhat naive in this matter; since about 90% of women whom I originally thought to be sweet and "innocent" turned out to be sluts, and many times even more dirtier and more diseased sluts than the average sluts out there. The girl next door -fantasy has somewhat broken to pieces in my case.

But anyway, I would like to hear a deeper analysis of this complex, since many men, including me, tend to suffer from it.

This is a complex balance between an individual's self-appreciation and the compensating fetishes that develop by accumulated mutations cultivated within socioeconomic circumstances - especially Americanism and feminization.

All females are potentuial sluts.
The saying goes:
"What's the difference between a lady and a whore?
The price."
So, the female's sense of self-worth establishes the cost for her sexual submission.

Most openly slutish females are attractive, because the unattractive ones have less opportunity and invest on the 'good girl' role....just as males who cannot be playas become nice guys.

Also r/- and K/-reproductive strategies are inherited....and enivrement determines to what degree they are allowed to express themselves openly, e.g., being a promiscuous female is promoted in Americanism - sign of a "strong, liberated, feminist female" who makes men tremble....under the protection of the institutions.
Female's age and intelligence factor in. Younger less intelligent females tend to be more promiscuous under feminization/Americanism environmental circumstances.

A male's self-appreciation and his own experience with the feminine - via his mother (Freud enters here) determines how much female promiscuity he will find tolerable....
The natural impulse is to prefer a female that is less promiscuous because this ensures that she will give birth to your own offspring and that you will not be working to nurture another man's sperm.
The "nice guy" is willing to make that sacrifice if it means his chances of fathering his own increase.
Low IQ males are also more promiscuous - they will fuck anything that moves - Negroes.

So, it's a formula of both parties and their respective self-esteem - over- or under-estimation - parental idealization/influence, IQ, and environment, i.e., socioeconomic, moral, institutional circumstances.

nice insights,

though, am i the only one who believes that men with huge coc.ks,
should have the privillege, to lie in hospital beds, pop viagra and get morphine injections and get blown by silicone titted nurses?

wouldnt such a concept realized be a shocker for the economic elite,

that huge. coc.k actually, nevermind its based on sheer luck, deserves pleasing,
is it not a gift from nature, ai, gaia herself that should not be squandered,

is it not shallow that these well endowed men, must prostitute themself through porn,
because, is porn not an utter lie,

why should these men not be picked and ostracized from society and get super satisfaction?
and shatter the hollow stories of sodom and gomorah,

your insights satyr?

This is what you chose as your first post?
Are you a feminist, a hedonist....or both?
Penis size is a product of chance?

So, of all the options available you chose this to introduce your mind to me?
Choice exposes judgement; judgment exposes need/desire....now what am I to make of this choice of introduction?

feminist, unsuccesful hedonist, believe i can create dopamine with my thoughts, always to no avail
believe i can make it bigger with my thoughts, also to no avail

blame my lack of unsuccesful "mental thought gifts" on my parents, public education, and too much media stimulation
do i belong in a mental hospital?

Are you offering a self-diagnosis?

yes, as long as it isn't schizophrenia

But you've already provided the source of your pain....your trauma.
A feminist wannabe hedonist?
What was it that threatened you, finally overcoming your intimidation to post an introduction?

The trajectory of a bullet points to a source....and yours was clear.
Are you well-hung?

nope, not well hung

Are you high now?

So, your feminist approach was based on conventional thinking that equates certain revelations about sexual dynamics as a product of "small dick energy"?

indeed doc,

Now you become defensive.
What happened to all the verbosity?

Are you high, right now?
Is cocaine your only successful hedonistic relief?
What part of my analysis triggered you out of your drug-induced lethargy, to post such a revealing introduction, exposing everything, essential, about your psychology?

i dunno, the hope that someday someone pretty, boy or girl will be engorged with synthetic cock-skin,

makes me careless, and self-revealing,

and yes, im high r.ight no.w

and oh, i lost a picture of me when i was twelve and looked like a cute little girly-boy bunny

yet, i can´t shed a single tear, why is that satyr?

You medicate yourself.
Are you trans?

i dunno doc,

maybe if i had a big dildo i could blow in private, id feel better
and i do envy those females who just loves giving head, and they get all hypnogogia and enter "the forbidden trance",

So, far I know you have sexual issue....are a feminist...and a frustrated hedonist, heavily into drug use.
You are also a conventional thinker...but consider yourself to be clever enough to troll.

When you are ready...you'll indirectly reveal more....
Now you've become defensive.

Sexually frustrated male with size issues.

This thread isn't about you.
Be kind enough to start your own and stop shitting in this one.

"and i saw a little beast enter the corridor's of Eden
shining futuristic splendour
and he was was given the key to defile and please"

"oh, the muse´s singing, arrested by his gifts
oh, the demons kept at bay from his palace
screaming blasphemous babel against his throne"

"oh, boy, ye who blossom with wrath of ancient evil
stab time dead, and freeze this world of gutter and prostitution"

Plight of the beta....the 'nice guy' strategy.
A circumcised angel, pretending to be concealing a devil, and that his angel like appearance is but a ploy to fool the maidens....when it is he who has fooled himself, and it is the maiden who correctly smells the wounds concealed behind all the pretences.

so lets get it straight, an alpha is a well hung man, he can fuck females brains out, he is the embodiment of sexual satisfaction,

a pretty boy has spiritual value for females, they adore him because his femininity is a mirror to their feminine spirit, i would consider this type above the alpha, because he transcends sex,

everyone else are really just losers from natures perspective, no need in saying they are this and that, just losers,
from natures perspective,

Whatever you've understood is what you've understood, using yourself as the echo board.
Why would I want to correct you?

The difference between male and female promiscuity is simple....females get pregnant. Females become emotionally involved with the men they fuck.

Males usually don't.

This is why abortion is such a gig issue among modern/postmodern feminists, males and females.
Emasculated males and liberated females.
Contraceptives and abortions are a way of offering females the illusion that they can be like males.

Sexual fidelity is more important to males because they can never be certain their offspring are their own.
A slut, or a woman who has abortions, is a female that cannot be trusted.

Why do attractive females dress provocatively, exposing their feminine attributes to attract male attentions, even if they are in a ‘committed relationship?’
One reason has been stated as feminine competitiveness, signalling to other females that if they chose to they could attract more and better quality males.
Bringing us to the underlying true motive: maintaining and reaffirming sexual probabilities.
A female is always keeping her options open, viz., options are an indication of freedom and freedom is determined by power. She is signalling that if there's a better option, than the one she committed to in the past, that she may be seduced into reconsidering her investments, feeling powerful when males respond to here displays, indicating how many options she still maintains, i.e., probabilities.

Nicely put Satyr.

I have seen recently on social media some males saying they like the kind of porn where "petite blonde teens" get fucked roughly by "big-ass niggas with huge cock".

Also, when a picture of some female I would consider "cute" or "sweet-looking" is posted, there's instantly tons of comments like: "I would like to throat-fuck her so hard that tears are falling from her eyes".

I thought of this Madonna-Whore -phenomenon when this came along... because I don't get impulses like that when I see a really cute-looking petite female; quite the opposite. Like I said, I don't turn on thinking about anything dirty about a female like that. More like I would like to stroke her hair.

Examples of females I consider as "cute":
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But then I'm certainly not a white knight, "every princess shall be rescued" -type of a guy. I think most females who have been abused in any way, had it coming, being either stupid or dirty sluts, often both. But then again most females are not "cute" or "sweet" as I call it.

So I have this idea - which is very likely to be a delusional one - that pure, innocent, sweet and sincere women exist (Madonna) and for this type of a woman, I could be the "white knight". But more than 90 percent of females are deceptive, unfaithful, sexually ravishing, dirty sluts... and I have absolutely no sympathy towards them.

So perhaps I'm suffering from a mental illness. But I would like to know the psychology behind that phenomenon where some males want to see a sweet little girl befouled... often violently... Is that "normal"? More "normal" than suffering from Madonna-Whore -complex? In my view, that's a tendency wanting to destroy, ruin and desecrate something beautiful.

Illiterate wrote:

I have seen recently on social media some males saying they like the kind of porn where "petite blonde teens" get fucked roughly by "big-ass niggas with huge cock".

Also, when a picture of some female I would consider "cute" or "sweet-looking" is posted, there's instantly tons of comments like: "I would like to throat-fuck her so hard that tears are falling from her eyes".

I thought of this Madonna-Whore -phenomenon when this came along... because I don't get impulses like that when I see a really cute-looking petite female; quite the opposite. Like I said, I don't turn on thinking about anything dirty about a female like that. More like I would like to stroke her hair.

Examples of females I consider as "cute":
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But then I'm certainly not a white knight, "every princess shall be rescued" -type of a guy. I think most females who have been abused in any way, had it coming, being either stupid or dirty sluts, often both. But then again most females are not "cute" or "sweet" as I call it.

So I have this idea - which is very likely to be a delusional one - that pure, innocent, sweet and sincere women exist (Madonna) and for this type of a woman, I could be the "white knight". But more than 90 percent of females are deceptive, unfaithful, sexually ravishing, dirty sluts... and I have absolutely no sympathy towards them.

So perhaps I'm suffering from a mental illness. But I would like to know the psychology behind that phenomenon where some males want to see a sweet little girl befouled... often violently... Is that "normal"? More "normal" than suffering from Madonna-Whore -complex? In my view, that's a tendency wanting to destroy, ruin and desecrate something beautiful.

Have you ever checked your testosterone levels? You think in a way I used to when my T plummeted.

Get more sun, zinc, copper, iron, work out, and stand on your feet more with correct posture.

Whores are a product of genetics.
Genetics determined potentials, including your libido.
Paternalism used to limit the expression available to such females and to males. With the decline of paternalism families were destroyed and many repressed impulses were released - they came out of the proverbial closet.
Sex is the canary in the mineshaft. It is the first sign of empire, civilizational collapse - decadence and degeneracy always find expression sexually.
We'll have to add compounding mutational loads - byproduct of sheltering - as an additional factor for the shift from Madonna to Whore.
"Mutants" tend to focus on the immediate, at the expense of the uncertain future.

Whore = female with high sex drive, no fahter-figure, and no paternalism to force her to repress its expression - hedonism.
Hedonism is a reversion to the manimal state, and so degenerates on ILP, defend the idea that sexual deviance is not deviance but a pursuit of happiness, translated as pursuit of pleasure.
Pleasure is how they justify homosexuality, transexuality and all forms of paraphilia......but seem to shy away from paedophilia, necrophilia, bestiality....well, for now.
The degenerate replaces the tangible function with a emotional, sensual, function: everything is reduced to the manimal sensation of pleasure.
It is the only way they can understand the binary good/bad - feels good/feels bad.
What feels good is, automatically, good.

In ancient Greece the term for whore, or prostitute, was κοινη, meaning common. A common female; a woman all males could have for the right price.
What is the difference between the Madonna (lady) and the whore?
The price.
A female's self-esteem is essential, determining what price she demands to submit to a male.
Whores have low self-esteem, and so the average man can meet her price.

Self-esteeem is dependent no family and the presence of a male fahter-figure and traditions.
A woman with no experience with a traditional family, and no father-figure worth shit, will grow up with a low-self-esteem, translated into the price she requires to give herself to a male.
By self-esteeem, self-evalaution, I do not only mean materially, quantitively, but quality as well.
A female with high IQ and high self-esteem will also require that a male possess certain qualities that cannot be measured materially, but are more abstract, or that can be considered ethically, e.g., nobility, integrity, humour, decency, loyalty, etc.
The Aristocratic ethos.

xraywho wrote:

Illiterate wrote:

I have seen recently on social media some males saying they like the kind of porn where "petite blonde teens" get fucked roughly by "big-ass niggas with huge cock".

Also, when a picture of some female I would consider "cute" or "sweet-looking" is posted, there's instantly tons of comments like: "I would like to throat-fuck her so hard that tears are falling from her eyes".

I thought of this Madonna-Whore -phenomenon when this came along... because I don't get impulses like that when I see a really cute-looking petite female; quite the opposite. Like I said, I don't turn on thinking about anything dirty about a female like that. More like I would like to stroke her hair.

Examples of females I consider as "cute":
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But then I'm certainly not a white knight, "every princess shall be rescued" -type of a guy. I think most females who have been abused in any way, had it coming, being either stupid or dirty sluts, often both. But then again most females are not "cute" or "sweet" as I call it.

So I have this idea - which is very likely to be a delusional one - that pure, innocent, sweet and sincere women exist (Madonna) and for this type of a woman, I could be the "white knight". But more than 90 percent of females are deceptive, unfaithful, sexually ravishing, dirty sluts... and I have absolutely no sympathy towards them.

So perhaps I'm suffering from a mental illness. But I would like to know the psychology behind that phenomenon where some males want to see a sweet little girl befouled... often violently... Is that "normal"? More "normal" than suffering from Madonna-Whore -complex? In my view, that's a tendency wanting to destroy, ruin and desecrate something beautiful.

Have you ever checked your testosterone levels? You think in a way I used to when my T plummeted.

Get more sun, zinc, copper, iron, work out, and stand on your feet more with correct posture.

Testosterone levels might also be genetically determined.

Satyr wrote:

xraywho wrote:

Illiterate wrote:

I have seen recently on social media some males saying they like the kind of porn where "petite blonde teens" get fucked roughly by "big-ass niggas with huge cock".

Also, when a picture of some female I would consider "cute" or "sweet-looking" is posted, there's instantly tons of comments like: "I would like to throat-fuck her so hard that tears are falling from her eyes".

I thought of this Madonna-Whore -phenomenon when this came along... because I don't get impulses like that when I see a really cute-looking petite female; quite the opposite. Like I said, I don't turn on thinking about anything dirty about a female like that. More like I would like to stroke her hair.

Examples of females I consider as "cute":
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

But then I'm certainly not a white knight, "every princess shall be rescued" -type of a guy. I think most females who have been abused in any way, had it coming, being either stupid or dirty sluts, often both. But then again most females are not "cute" or "sweet" as I call it.

So I have this idea - which is very likely to be a delusional one - that pure, innocent, sweet and sincere women exist (Madonna) and for this type of a woman, I could be the "white knight". But more than 90 percent of females are deceptive, unfaithful, sexually ravishing, dirty sluts... and I have absolutely no sympathy towards them.

So perhaps I'm suffering from a mental illness. But I would like to know the psychology behind that phenomenon where some males want to see a sweet little girl befouled... often violently... Is that "normal"? More "normal" than suffering from Madonna-Whore -complex? In my view, that's a tendency wanting to destroy, ruin and desecrate something beautiful.

Have you ever checked your testosterone levels? You think in a way I used to when my T plummeted.

Get more sun, zinc, copper, iron, work out, and stand on your feet more with correct posture.

Testosterone levels might also be genetically determined.

Yeah... I am so thankful for god-tier physical genetics. I went from a slob to above-average strength in two months. I hope the guy take my advice because I am never going back to they way he's thinking at the moment.