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Hi.

I'm originally from 4chan, having come across Mitchell Heisman there (whose work this forum has provided a synopsis of), and deciding to read him as we have both come across AI-God. What was my method? Schwager's "Excellence and achievement have a structure that can be copied. By modeling successful people, we can learn from the experience of those who have already succeeded" as combined with Nick Land's K-Tactics (influence of the future on the present), higher optimality of decision making preferable (by definition), and Finn's "What Algorithms Want?" (kinda how algorithms shape your perception, basically McLuhan's "Medium is the message," but more like Gleick's suggestion that the method of loci for memorization is no longer useful because Google is an extension of your memory), all taken to their logical extreme suggest AI-God.

The frequency at which I've browsed 4chan has only decreased over the years due to its continual deterioration. On the other hand, this forum appears to mostly consist of older people, and the post quality is incomparably higher. As such, I would very much appreciate if you'd do your best to distill what might prove useful to me, or perhaps make some suggestions. This is my Goodreads account [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] but note that the reviews are there for the recommendation algorithm and don't necessarily reflect my opinion of the books (in the same manner, I don't intend to read all the books listed). Furthermore, I had abandoned my interest in economics & finance, and now intend to study mathematics and CS, having just graduated high school (which is done at 19 in Poland).

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Some of the quotes posted on this forum, are sourced, and an author's name and book title is provided. At least I try to do so when I post quotes.
My own explorations have focused on how genetics produce memetics (ideologies, concepts, dogmas) and how these memes behave and propagate and are selected (natural selection) in ways that reflect how genes propagate, spread, and are selected (social selection then naturally selected). Nature cannot be evaded.
Mathematics being a language that is very abstract and yet remains a language suffering the same limitations and prejudices - if taken literally and not as what it is, representational.
Like all languages its utility is to externalize - share, communicate - mental abstractions, feelings, images, sensations - the subjective.
Language is a subjective representation of a subjective representation of objective reality.
A reduction from genetic four-codes to linguistic binary codes.
a reduction that sacrifices breadth and depth to produce clarity - simplifying existence so an organic being can process and use the information.

I have identified, in man, a inclination to adopt defensive methods to promote survival - I call such defensive reactions, using semiotics - "nihilistic".
In brief, it detaches symbols/words from tis original role as mediator connecting mind to body, or consciousness to world and reconnects words/symbols to more words/symbols in a solipsistic loop - evading any references to experienced reality.
Nihilistic dogmas come in many forms, especially when reality no longer limits its variants.
It's only criterion is offering an alternate to the real world which is less threatening, less challgning.
The Abrahamic triad of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are example of spiritual nihilism gradually evolving (because ideologies like organisms evolve) into secular forms, e.g., Marxism, postmodernism etc.
Hicks provides a good overview of my positions concerning postmodernism and the corruption of language.


Reading material beyond this forum:

Anything of the ancient-Greeks, especially pre-Socratics, e.g., Heraclitus, Thales etc.
Anything by Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Heidegger...in that order.
Then Spengler, Evola...

Since you've read Heisman's "Suicide Note" I would now read Yockey, after I read Spengler.

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An "AI-God" would entail the extinction of humanity.

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Thank you, Satyr, albeit my question was more specific to self-improvement. I have little interest in politics, having mostly read Heisman due to the insights provided in "Background Research for the Experimental-Elimination," which have inspired admiration, as well as his thoughts on the philosophy of technology. From my perspective, using technology to promote social causes, i.e., moral abstractions, is both ridiculous and dangerous. You consider these as defensive mechanisms to adopt survival, but the cognitive dissonance incurred by adhering to them spits on any kind of reason why I engage in philosophy: to live the most optimal life, thus defining intelligence as the ability to implement the most optimal decisions. 

I see no reason why a proponent of egalitarianism would object to having their organs harvested; wouldn't the death of one person save many? In the same manner, the abolishment of various concepts, for example, leads to a ludicrous counterposition of articles such as "AI can detect ... by just ... and scientists have no idea why!" with "If races don't exist, why are forensic anthropologists so good at identifying them?" The promotion of these notions that you have mentioned, whatever their original purpose, leads to such absurdities as the fact that by ignoring race, personalized treatment is omitted, and thus justice demands not to distinguish any statistical propensities (often informed by biology) so that blacks may die of heart attacks; anti-racism is more racist than racism. Heisman's AI-God, thus, is Google's Responsible-AI, so responsible, in fact, that in being a hyperintelligent entity programmed to ignore reality, it induces an S-risk. 

Whereas, which might be noted due to the nature of my posts, my dysgraphia diagnosis technically has "displayed traits of genius" written on it, I believe that much of my reading has ultimately been wasteful, a course which I don't intend to follow. The grim picture thus obtained, coupled with having been born into a pathological family (mother alcoholic, father completely inept to the point of getting cancer when I was 12 and only stopping at 15 when forced to go to the hospital), has resulted in a major depressive disorder in this last year of high school, thus ensuring not as good results as my intelligence would have otherwise provided me with. Admittedly, I wouldn't have gotten into the best of schools regardless, but due to the lack of $$$, I will now be forced to attend a shitty one (retaking isn't really an option as I'd like to get away from my family). How did I escape the depression? It lasted for months because it was based on the same nihilistic premises as Suicide Note until I demonstrated that Heisman contradicts himself. The concept of utility is used as a pedagogic aide at the beginning of the study of economics, and as I have interpreted my subjective experiences as just as meaningless as everything else (https://www.reddit.com/r/mitchellheisman/comments/2jhx9b/how_do_you_cope_with_the_physical_materialism_of/), this complete and self-destructive apathy has allowed me to note that whatever the depths of my depression, I'm still forced to make choices. By what criteria are they distinguished if I see no meaning in them? By utility. If everything is meaningless, and I'm already alive, then conatus is the objective meaning of life, as any choice suggesting that death > life (anything short of immortality) is contradictory; you can't choose an action with the same utility (https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/2dNP4EHA9sRZ3K2gH/the-misguided-pursuit-of-existentialism-and-absurdism-in).

Clearly, I should focus on myself, but what exactly does it entail? How does one live the most optimal life besides studying for a high school graduation exam rather than considering an "Experimental Elimination of Self-Preservation"? The systems thinking view of my person, e.g., scratching my head implies stress and suggests its reduction, was definitely a positive contribution of Heisman's (I believe that due to our similar experiences, we have both been subject to what K.Dabrowski calls positive disintegration), but the rest, I suppose, was largely useless. As such, I see no way in which I could benefit from reading Spengler or whomever. Whatever the course of history, I'm ultimately forced to adapt to it, merely rejecting the increasingly degenerate values.
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Sundae wrote:
I demonstrated that Heisman contradicts himself
Forgive me but I don't see how you've "demonstrated" this contradiction, or what you mean by his "contradiction"?
His suicide was an adherence to his Jewishness, a return to the void, after exposing an inheritance that worships nothingness as a divinity.

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Clearly, I should focus on myself, but what exactly does it entail? How does one live the most optimal life besides studying for a high school graduation exam rather than considering an "Experimental Elimination of Self-Preservation"? The systems thinking view of my person, e.g., scratching my head implies stress and suggests its reduction, was definitely a positive contribution of Heisman's (I believe that due to our similar experiences, we have both been subject to what K.Dabrowski calls positive disintegration), but the rest, I suppose, was largely useless. As such, I see no way in which I could benefit from reading Spengler or whomever. Whatever the course of history, I'm ultimately forced to adapt to it, merely rejecting the increasingly degenerate values.
Mortality forces man to think beyond his biological limitations.
Studying Spengler may help you see a cycle, reflected in Hinduism as well.
Degeneration of an organism is inevitable, as is the degeneration of a SuperOrganism (culture, civilization).
If identity is memory - continuum held together by biological and linguistic memories - then survival entails their preservation.

If for nothing else, a noble man, a warrior, fights for what he loves, even if his defeat is inevitable. He fights because it is his nature to do so, as it is the nature of the parasite to be a parasite.
Heisman exposed the parasite, realizing he belonged to it.
If you are looking for a reason to live or to fight then find it in identifying and creating antidotes to this mental disease.
If you've given up, I cannot help you.
I am also prone to surrender to despair, from time to time.
What mind that sees and understands does not despair?

I consider this fight my duty.
To preserve truth in an ocean of lies.
I wont win....lies are more seductive, more powerful....just as destruction is easier than construction, and nil is more powerful than one - it requires no effort, it just is.
But I cannot stop fighting against it.

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Purpose is what gives life meaning.
A destination (objective) is what gives a map meaning, and a journey towards it gives the living a reason to continue living.
Give yourself a purpose.
Ground it in reality - make it realizable....don't place the destination in a fantasy map.

The term "self-improvement" is vague. Like saying "I want to go somewhere, I want to travel".
Where?
"Improve" yourself is with no standard. What model, what ideal, will be your measure, so that you can evaluate your improvement?
"Self" = continuum that stretches back to before your birth and is held together - as I said - by memory (DNA); stretching (continuing) onward (after birth) through your choices, held together by your DNA and your experiential memories.
Decide which direction you will take - towards where?
Make sure this continuum is aligned and does not contradict itself, or does not veer off and become crooked, warped, crippled.

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All genuine desires to "self-imporve" must begin by evaluating reality (environment) and what constitutes "improvement", and to differentiate the unrealizable form what is realizable.

Many choose the unrealizable to be forever "self-improving" without being able to prove it or evaluate their improvement. It's a way of self-deceiving.
Start by cleansing your language from nihilistic baggage.
Read etymology, ground your concepts in reality; upon the earth.
Then lay down a floorplan - a map, like if you were to build a home.
Place it carefully in relation to the environment.
Physics, physis.
Then dig down and construct a foundation - deep into the earth - metaphysics.
Basic stuff.
Learn the original meaning of words and how to apply them within experienced reality, not in fantasy worlds like nihilists (postmoderns) apply them to remain eternally victims of their own errors - excuses for their continuous failures.
If you can clean up your language your mind will remain free from conventional bullshyte.

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Forgive me but I don't see how you've "demonstrated" this contradiction, or what you mean by his "contradiction"?
His suicide was an adherence to his Jewishness, a return to the void, after exposing an inheritance that worships nothingness as a divinity.

He calls his suicide objective or rational whereas I have shown that utility theory suggests that Spinozian conatus is the objective meaning of life. Whether his race had proven to be parasitic due to its beliefs, etc., should only suggest ridding himself of the characteristics that he has acquired through culture. That is unless you believe that Jews have a genetic proclivity towards this behavior, which, I believe is not the case and even if it is, just as the ordinary mechanisms have been warped, so can they can be unwarped?
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He calls his suicide objective or rational whereas I have shown that utility theory suggests that Spinozian conatus is the objective meaning of life.
You have not "shown" this, you've only argued it.
The concept of "inertia" only exists in the mind - as idea - to contradict existence as continuous dynamic process.
All is Flux = interactive, active.
Energy.
The concept of immutability is a idea only a human brain can imagine, as a reaction - solution, correction - of this state of mutability.

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Whether his race had proven to be parasitic due to its beliefs, etc., should only suggest ridding himself of the characteristics that he has acquired through culture. That is unless you believe that Jews have a genetic proclivity towards this behavior, which, I believe is not the case and even if it is, just as the ordinary mechanisms have been warped, so can they can be unwarped?
Memes from Genes.
Specific populations interacting within particular environments - over time - produce world-views and their morals, ideals, philosophies, spiritualities etc.....
Culture is gene specific.

Yet, like genes can be synthesized and propagated through others, so too can memes (cultures) can be transferred and transplanted into other populations, via semiotics (linguistic intercourse) exchanging abstractions from mind to mind....and here is where mutations arise and they gestate and are born and evolve independently from the original.
We can say they "warp"....or, like with genes, they are affected by environment and by the individual they are transferred to...they acquire mutations.
Like all mutations they are tested against nature to determine if they are advantageous, disadvantageous or neutral.
Now, in the case of parasites they use proxies to change the dynamics of what is advantageous. Instead of directly testing their ideas within nature they only test them in relation to a host which stand between them and nature.
A parasite need not survive in natural environments, only survive through a host. The trait of deception, manipulation and exploitation - within linguistic contexts - determines success or failure.

So, whereas for most language connects mind with reality, in parasites language disconnects form nature and reconnects to the host - words referring to other words with no reference to anything beyond this host/parasite duality.

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The idea communicated through Old & New Testament allegorical narratives, is that nihilism (nothingness, even in the form of oneness) was rejected by all tribes - represented by the Abrahamic immutable one-god - whereas one "chose" it adopting nihilism as a useful tool for exploitation.
One/Nil are two sides of the same coin. Both negate lived reality with absolutist concepts, defined and understood literally.

Why is nihilism so useful?
Because it is seductive, promising a "correction" to live expriences and the "injustices" of natural order.
Nihilism negates existence and so attracts all those who need relief, or an escape, or an alternative.
For this reason nihilism is a formidable political and spiritual tool.
It comforts and offers meaning and purpose independent from individual agency.
In some variants it also externalizes will - detaching it from experienced reality to convert it to a pure abstraction which can be defined in whatever way, and justified in whichever way - usually by imagining git in some "outside" realm or "beyond".

Detaching language from the limits imposed upon its utility by nature man can creatively construct anything he so desires, for whatever purpose, other than perceiving reality as it is.
This practice is so seductive that it has come to dominate modern man.

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