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PostSubject: Re: Alt-Right Alt-Right - Page 12 EmptyTue May 05, 2020 12:36 pm

It seems a lot of people dislike Keith Woods even more now


And Spencer


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Keith have now at least temporarily deactivated his twitter account because of all the heat. It could be that he has not been held accountable for the things he has said before.

My take on it was that he is just a inexperienced young guy who has not actually met his supporters in real life so he has gotten a bit misguided by others weebs. And he doesn't realize how submissive/weak his views and supposed alliances are. And of course he got too much attention too quickly so a lot of people think he doesn't have any merit.


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PostSubject: Re: Alt-Right Alt-Right - Page 12 EmptyWed May 06, 2020 9:08 pm

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Keith have now at least temporarily deactivated his twitter account because of all the heat. It could be that he has not been held accountable for the things he has said before.

My take on it was that he is just a inexperienced young guy who has not actually met his supporters in real life so he has gotten a bit misguided by others weebs. And he doesn't realize how submissive/weak his views and supposed alliances are. And of course he got too much attention too quickly so a lot of people think he doesn't have any merit.

I recall Jonathan Bowden saying that many Christians convert to Islam because of its absolute nature, perhaps this is such a case and he is attempting to reframe Islam towards a Pro-European end. But it will fail for the same reason Bowden mentioned that Islam would never conquer Europeans, it is far too repressive.

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I don't see a problem with Keith's statements because I sense no subversive energy/motive behind them. You can say a lot of things, the important part is how you argue and how you defend your views. Are you willing to accept rational arguments made in good faith or are you falling back to "win" the argument with rhetorical BS.

As for the charge of "Duginism", whenever that is brought up I think it's done in bad faith. That's rhetorical garbage. "Hey, you must defend yourself against my charge of Dugin-ism. No, I don't argue against what you say, I just call you a Dugin-ist and now you must defend yourself and show me that you have nothing in common with Dugin, like drinking water, eating bread and the likes..."

Next someone will say that you can't organise collectively as a group because that's communism or maybe it's Fascism, maybe it's zionism. It's whatever I don't like, or maybe if I am clever, it's whatever I think you don't like or your audience doesn't like and has negative emotional responses to the word. BS talking points for light-switch brains, 0/1 thinkers.

Who even knows what Dugin is about, who talks about Dugin, where is this even coming from?
But suddenly this charge is creeping up everywhere, looks to me like a gay-op.
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I don't see a problem with Keith's statements because I sense no subversive energy/motive behind them. You can say a lot of things, the important part is how you argue and how you defend your views. Are you willing to accept rational arguments made in good faith or are you falling back to "win" the argument with rhetorical BS.

As for the charge of "Duginism", whenever that is brought up I think it's done in bad faith. That's rhetorical garbage. "Hey, you must defend yourself against my charge of Dugin-ism. No, I don't argue against what you say, I just call you a Dugin-ist and now you must defend yourself and show me that you have nothing in common with Dugin, like drinking water, eating bread and the likes..."

Next someone will say that you can't organise collectively as a group because that's communism or maybe it's Fascism, maybe it's zionism. It's whatever I don't like, or maybe if I am clever, it's whatever I think you don't like or your audience doesn't like and has negative emotional responses to the word. BS talking points for light-switch brains, 0/1 thinkers.

Who even knows what Dugin is about, who talks about Dugin, where is this even coming from?
But suddenly this charge is creeping up everywhere, looks to me like a gay-op.

Well it's not the only thing. There's so much more. I also argued that he shouldn't be called a subversive, that is giving him too much credit because clearly he is not doing it knowingly. It's not like I want to pick on this Keith character, but his followers are so incredible dumb this had to be done, I wouldn't even let my friends to live in this kind of delusions.

It's been for a while "Oh you don't like Keith, you must be a Jew/pro-zionist/hate Palestinians!", and they don't reply to proper arguments.







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PostSubject: Re: Alt-Right Alt-Right - Page 12 EmptyThu May 07, 2020 3:48 pm

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He is saying, if Palestinians were like Pakistani (rape gangs), why would you want them to be displaced from Palestine so that they then get shipped* to Europe where they do their raping over here.

*shipped by the same people who displaced them in Palestine.

This is turned by this guy into "Mike, you want your kids to be raped en masse."
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PostSubject: Re: Alt-Right Alt-Right - Page 12 EmptyThu May 07, 2020 4:02 pm

He is more like saying "Even if Palestinians were doing the same crimes against whites as Paki's do it would be more reason to support them against Israel."

I had to point this out many times, there's no misunderstanding here, we know Palestinians are not Paki's, but he was saying "Even if they were" :


He is implying that there are only 2 choices, either give these people displaced by the Zionists their own lands or we just have to take them in. Why would we in the first place need sympathize or ally with people who were do crimes against us if they were living amongst us. Either you support Palestinians or you are a Zionist/Fed.

We all know Zionists and what they do, we know what Joo's are doing. Even SP does probably better than this Mike guy, but these people think that we don't know this. They go completely nuts when someone disagrees with them.


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There is this trend I see in the "alt-right" that they are trying to appeal to the Europeans who are at the moment left leaning. I don't know if it's the best course of action. I have become quite frustrated with so called "right-wing" Europeans who love to die for Jewish interests, directly in a war or in their replacement schemes. Maybe they don't love it but neither do they seem to care.

I guess the idea is to unify those Europeans who can be swayed away from liberalism, no matter if coming from the left side or the right side of the k0sh3r sandw1ch. But all of that began long before people were talking about Dugin this and that, neither positively nor negatively.

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He is implying that there are only 2 choices, either give these people displaced by the Zionists their own lands or we just have to take them in. Why would we in the first place need sympathize or ally with people who were do crimes against us if they were living amongst us. Either you support Palestinians or you are a Zionist/Fed.

First of all, that's not what this ReadLinkola guy was alleging that Mike said. R.L. was being dishonest there, not a good look.

Second of all do you know what the context of Mike's tweet was? I don't know who he was talking to or replying to with this tweet but I have heard Mike say several times in the past that it's not about supporting Palestinians but about not supporting Israel and to take your own side.
The way I interpret it, Mike was talking to someone who was trying to garner support for Israel to which Mike responded by something like, "Look, if they are nasty as can be, why would I want them to be displaced to then only be shipped to Europe?"

If Israel or its proxies are displacing some people somewhere and as a (side-) effect they get to send them via their NGOs to Europe, then Israel not getting to displace them is in my interests. Of course this support is limited cost wise because it would be best to gain control over Europe and its borders itself, but if that can not be done now, then some moral support against the displacement of future immigrants into Europe is better than nothing in my book.
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Anfang wrote:

I guess the idea is to unify those Europeans who can be swayed away from liberalism, no matter if coming from the left side or the right side of the k0sh3r sandw1ch. But all of that began long before people were talking about Dugin this and that, neither positively nor negatively.


I remember reading what Nazbol's were talking on youtube channels 10 years ago, I even saved their conversations. But I feel like these new kids are much more egomaniacal and have their own little cults, they don't know their place and give this very weak display.

Mike should just get off his high-horse and come defend himself, I am tired of others speaking for him.
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Spencer has yet to understand the commonality between Judaism's non-regional diaspora psychology and Protestant revolt against Euro-Christian authoritarianism and the American spirit of fleeing the past and exploring new world possibilities.
A commonality of the dispossessed and alienated carrying their home and god with them from place to place; anti-natural order spiritualism, anti-establishment, anti-worldly authority, where one carries his own ideal god in his mind, as his private property - from place to place, with no specific local - an abstraction.
Americanism is Messianism...this alone is a hint.
All or nothing - save/liberate mankind, or damn it, destroy it, leave it in ruins. Fanaticism.

He also misses the Jewish 'in' to shifting from manipulating and feeding on American Protestantism to manipulating and feeding on Chinese communism and its underlying Buddhism nihilism.
Nihilism is also present in China, and Judaism having weaponized and industrialized it, will find access through this ideological avenue - albeit it will demand an severe adaptation - all parasites evolve from host to host.
How it will infest Chinese man, as he did European man, will be an arduous and fascinating journey.

I expect first interbreeding, changing of names, - Hannyfying themselves in body and in name; adopting their customs superficially, imitating their lifestyles - and then corrupting the fundamental principles and ideals of the Chinese people as they gradually insert and begin to dominate their institutions.
It will take time...and their success will hinge on an eventual decline of China's virility to express itself fully.

China is an ancient culture, with deep rooted cultural beliefs in race, sex, and in status and self-control, so it will not be as easy as it was to exploit the individualism and psychology of fleeing old-world hierarchies that characterized Americanism.
Taking over Chinese pop-art, will be difficult and may require creativity. Without it corrupting the masses will be impossible.
A growing middle-class desiring the 'finer things' and immersing itself in hedonism, will help in this infiltration - weakness is easily corrupted, and weakness increases with comfort.

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Alexandar Dugin wrote:
If we begin with fascism and National Socialism, then here we must definitively reject all forms of racism. Racism is what caused the collapse of National Socialism in the historical, geopolitical, and theoretical sense. This was not only a historical, but also a philosophical collapse. Racism is based on the belief in the innate objective superiority of one human race over another. It was racism, and not some other aspect of National Socialism, that brought about such consequences, leading to immeasurable suffering on both sides, as well as the collapse of Germany and the Axis powers, not to mention the destruction of the entire ideological project of the Third Way. The criminal practice of wiping out entire ethnic groups (Jews, gypsies, and Slavs) based on race was precisely rooted in their racial theory — this is what angers and shocks us about Nazism to this day. In addition, Hitlers anti- Semitism, and the doctrine that Slavs are‘subhuman’ and must be colonised, is what led Germany to go to war against the Soviet Union, which cost us millions of lives. It is also true that this resulted in the Germans themselves losing their political freedom and the right to participate in political history for a long time, if not forever. Today they are left only with their economy and, in the best case scenario, with a concern for ecology. The supporters of the Third Way were left in the position of ideological outcasts on the margins of society. It was racism — in theory and in practice — that criminalised all other aspects of National Socialism and fascism, causing these worldviews to become the object of curses and vilification.

As one of its essential features, the Fourth Political Theory rejects all forms and varieties of racism and all forms of the normative hierarchisation of societies based on ethnic, religious, social, technological, economic, or cultural grounds. Societies can be compared, but we cannot state that any one of them is objectively better than the others. Such an assessment is always subjective, and any attempt to raise a subjective assessment to the status of a theory is racism.

…Today, we reject and criticise fascism for its racial component, but we forget that this ideology is also built on the ideas of progress and evolution, just like the other two political theories of modernity. If we were to visualise the essence of Nazi ideology and the role of progress and evolution in it, then the connection between racism and evolution would become obvious to us. This connection — in a concealed form — can be seen in liberalism and even in Communism. Even if not biological, we see cultural, technological, and economic racism in the ideology of the free market and in the dictatorship of the proletariat.
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Liberalism must be defeated and destroyed, and the individual must be thrown off his pedestal. Yet, is there anything that we could take away from liberalism — from this liberalism that is hypothetically defeated and has lost its axis? Yes, there is. It is the idea of freedom. And not just the idea of ‘freedom for’ — that same substantive freedom rejected by Mill in his liberal program, which concentrated on the ‘freedom from’. We must say ‘yes’ to freedom in all its meanings and in all its perspectives. The Fourth Political Theory should be a theory of absolute freedom, but not as in Marxism, in which it coincides with absolute necessity (this correlation denies freedom its very core). No, freedom can be of any kind, free of any correlation or lack thereof, facing any direction and any goal. Freedom is the greatest value of the Fourth Political Theory, since it coincides with its centre and its dynamic, energetic core. The difference is that this freedom is conceived as human freedom, not as freedom for the individual — as the freedom given by ethnocentrism and the freedom of Dasein, the freedom of culture and the freedom of society, and the freedom for any form of subjectivity except for that of an individual. Moving in the opposite direction, European thought long ago came to a different conclusion: ‘man (as an individual) is a prison without walls’[97] (Jean- Paul Sartre); that is to say, the freedom of an individual is a prison. In order to attain true freedom, we must go beyond the limits of the individual. In this sense, the Fourth Political Theory is a theory of liberation, of going beyond the prison walls into the outside world, which begins where the jurisdiction of individual identity ends.

The liberal group strategy as government must be abolished, but the spirit of it must remain in the soul of man who was birthed by it. One must be loyal to their mother, regardless of her feminizing domineering abuses; one must never forget their true identity and even pay tribute to it by honoring the heritable part that was given to them.

“Absolute freedom”, as in freedom innate in humanity as therefore ‘deserved’ by all. The new defenders of ‘human racial equality’. “individualism” defined in the worldview of humanity.
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We note a positive attitude toward the ethnos, an ethnocentrism directed toward that type of existence which is formed within the structure of the ethnos itself, and which remains intact throughout a variety of stages, including the highly differentiated types of societies which a people may develop in the course of their history. This topic has found deep resonance in certain philosophical directions of the Conservative Revolution] (for instance, Carl Schmitt and his theory of ‘the rights of peoples’, in Adam Müller, Arthur Moeller van den Bruck, and so on) or the German school of ethnic sociology (Wilhelm Mühlmann,[86] Richard Thurnwald,[87] and others). Ethnos is the greatest value of the Fourth Political Theory as a cultural phenomenon; as a community of language, religious belief, daily life, and the sharing of resources and goals; as an organic entity written into an ‘accommodating landscape’ (Lev Gumilev);[88] as a refined system for constructing models for married life; as an always-unique means of establishing a relationship with the outside world; as the matrix of the ‘lifeworld’ (Edmund Husserl); and as the source of all the‘language-games’ (Ludwig Wittgenstein). [89] Of course, ethnicity was not the focal point either in National Socialism, or in Fascism. Yet, liberalism as an ideology, calling for the liberation from all forms of collective identity in general, is entirely incompatible with the ethnos and ethnocentrism, and is an expression of a systemic theoretical and technological ethnocide.

Marxist ideology did not pay much attention to the ethnos either, believing that the ethnos is overcome in a class-based society, and that no trace of it remains in a bourgeois and, even more so, a proletarian society. Based on the latter, the principle of ‘proletarian internationalism’ becomes absolute. The only place where the ethnos received any kind of attention is in dissident, Third Way currents which were rather marginal in relation to the political mainstream, even though Nazi orthodoxy blocked the organic development of the ethno-sociological subject area with its racist dogma. Whatever the case may be, the ethnos and ethnocentrism (Wilhelm Mühlmann) have every reason to be considered as candidates for the becoming the subject of the Fourth Political Theory. At the same time, we must again and again pay attention to the fact that we view the ethnos in the plural, without trying to establish any kind of a hierarchical system: ethnicities are different, but each of them is, in itself, universal; ethnicities live and develop, but this life and this development do not fit into one specific paradigm; they are open and always distinct; ethnicities mix and separate, but neither one nor the other is good or evil per se — ethnicities themselves generate the criteria by which others are judged, each time in a different way. We can draw many conclusions based on this point. In particular, we can relativise the very notion of ‘politics’, which comes from the normative values of the city, the polis, and, consequently, of the urban model of self-organisation within the community (or the society). As a general paradigm, we can review what Richard Thurnwald c a l l e d Dorfstaat — a ‘village-state’. The village-state is an alternative view of politics from the perspective of the ethnos naturally living in balance with its environment. This view is not reflective of the city (projecting its structure onto the rest of the country), but is that of the village or the province. It comes from the standpoint of those regions that have been peripheral in classical politics, but which are the centre of the Fourth Political Theory. However, this is only one example of all the possibilities that open up if we accept the ethnos as the historical subject. Yet, even this shows the possibilities inherent in transforming even the most basic political concepts, and how drastic the revision of an established dogma can be.
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Duganism is about dismantling and rejecting only postmodernism, while curtailing and retaining modernist institutionalist doctrines. The tragedy of being a political mind. He is the first to actually provide real objective leadership to the "alt-right" movement.

Racism is a very modern institutionalized term meant to indoctrinate Europeans from the post-World War 2 "denazification" demonization project, and to carry it over into Heisman's "post-biological" crusade to eliminate tribalism and genetic differences which is why Heisman was so fixated on exposing the transhuman movement.

Ultimately, the political sphere is what prevails over the spiritual or philosophical. Alt-righters are politically minded, which is what makes them feminized by the system and keeps them in lockstep with its values.



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"Racism" has infected the European spirit to such a depth that they have now internalized it into thier identity to act as a mode of selfhood. This is what the "alt-right" is about. They have spiritually constructed racism as a standard to abide by in relation to how they "think" and "feel"; even if they awknowledge it as being used as a negative or a pejorative against thier own heritage, they will assent to it as part of it as well, based on historical arguments of denouncing "past evils" for "progressive goods" of conservative Enlightenment principles. This is how they unwittingly reinforce the nihilistic agenda of thier own obsolescence.

When you have no spiritual awareness, no inclination toward introspection or philosophy, you can only think by man-made idealism which is given to you as succor.



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The things these people are saying makes me feel sympathetic towards the establishment, that's an accomplishment. Even these liberals/conservatives etc talking against racism (virtue signalling) seems like a lesser evil than actual ideological communists who are actively trying to ally with all brown races, he is actively spreading his ideas all over the world by meeting people and getting exposure, it's easy for him because he is a non-racist, everyone is included, everyone can join. He is dangerous.
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They do have an appeal to them don't they? This is why I said they have a strange nobility to them. It has serious alacrity in it which is very commendable.

Dugin is an idealist with a high constructive intellect which draws in rational people. He has given the alt-right a 'destiny'. A synthesis of the old and new worlds, of modern and traditionalist, a reconciliation, a concession. It's very trendy and 'progressive' and appeals to the spiritual docility of modern Europeans.

His gripe with America is necessary and well founded but doesnt matter a whole lot as far as I'm concerned. His ideological project goes way beyond America and has a grander vision. America is only used as a template of what to avoid.





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PostSubject: Re: Alt-Right Alt-Right - Page 12 EmptyMon May 11, 2020 1:34 pm

I've watched the short video that Ard Ri Boru linked to.
Spencer says he is not a Duginist.
He say he was involved with the publication of his book on Heidegger.
Spencer: "He is an interesting guy, I do not always agree with him, but I do respect him."
To the chat: "No one is ever going to push me into ever denouncing him, folks, it's not gonna happen so you should stop trying."

I don't like Dugin and I'm also not convinced he is that big guy who has Putin's ear.
I think he is being propped up by Jews and promoted as this new alt-right figure head.
Kind of like the "Dark Enlightenment", remember those bundles of sticks?

Every healthy ethnic group is "racist". What has become part of many European's psyche is that this racial and ethnic awareness would be something bad, something evil, the evil.
I know people who talk about not being racist, it's the liberals who run this gay empire. Now Dugin talks about how he is not being racist.
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