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PostSubject: Chaos Chaos EmptyFri Apr 23, 2021 6:27 pm

Chaos is the truly meta-physical: the irrational, the counter-intuitive; that which can never be known nor understood; that which cannot be spoken of without evoking the physical, and must be passed over in silence.
The great “void” – what the Greeks called Χάος: void, chasm, absence. In eastern philosophy the nothingness which is nothing; the incomprehensible that art must make comprehensible; the occult, mysterious, darkness, i.e., that which lacks order.

The idea that chaos conceals order is another way of saying "god is in all" is omnipresent - is concealed even in the evil, the incomprehensible, the inhuman.

Chaos gives meaning to order.
Chaos is the source of order. That which lacks order can give birth to it.
Consider order a restriction of possibilities, i.e., probability.
Chaos is the absence of such restrictions - the emergence of order from disorder is but a matter of time - movement through spatial possibilities.
From near-absolute chaos emerges near-absolute order: duality, Yin/Yang - temporal/spatial inflation ensues, moving towards increasing chaos.
Near-Absolute implies imperfect, incomplete. It is this imperfection which interacts multiplying, fragmenting, inflating, expanding - space/time exploding - possibilities multiply with every interaction.

Near-Absolute chaos = tending towards infinity, i.e., uniform possibilities.
Near-Absolute order = tending towards the finite, i.e., singularity, oneness - implosion contrasting with the explosive effects of chaos.

Cosmic cycles: from near-absoltue order towards near-absolute chaos - linear time - and from within this near-absoltue movement towards chaos a near-absoltue order re-emerges, beginning the cycle again.
Cycle repeats, but never in exactly the same way, due to the presence of chaos, i.e., random interactive energy denying order completion - necessitating the dynamic reactivity we call choice, i.e., expression of willfulness; judgment determining choice from among available options.
The availability of options determines the power or the freedom of the organism before which they are present - presented.
Once a choice is made all other options are negated, cascading into new options, and then again and again - thrownness.



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PostSubject: Re: Chaos Chaos EmptyFri Apr 23, 2021 6:42 pm

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Dionysian = order/chaos interacting - feminine - right-hemisphere, in McGilchrist contexts. Awareness of nature as being both ordered and chaotic - predictable and unpredictable; perfectly imperfect, incomplete, multiplicity.
Apollonian = movement towards absolute order - masculine - left-hemispshere - limitation, exclusion, rejection of chaos. all must be made certain, perfect, complete, whole.

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"Dancing Star" = metaphorically, patterned, dynamic, creative, energy. Only a man in whom chaos is still expressed through his ordering can there be creative genius.

Because chaotic energies cannot form stable unities they remain on the micro, and fragmenting constantly - the plank level and continuously shrinking - falling away, expanding.
Random energies can only become discernible through their interaction - effect - with patterned energies.
Interactivity produces attrition - in life forms it is experienced as need/suffering, requiring constant care, constant replenishment, constant agon, effort - struggle.

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos Chaos EmptyFri Apr 23, 2021 7:17 pm

Chaos is the source of creation.
Order limits possibilities, increasing probabilities. It is predictable, consistent, by restricting possibilities.
Chaos is about unlimited, unrestricted possibilities - only contained by order. It both makes life possible and is anti-life - life being a type of organization of multiple patterns (congruent energies), unified by iteration (constant self-affirmation), i.e., memories - genotype (encoded memories = experiences) - manifested as phenotype - dynamic interactive; apparent.

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos Chaos EmptyWed Sep 15, 2021 10:56 am

Chaos – defined as random energies, i.e., interactivities – is a fundamental part of Evolution Theory, if we wish to avoid adopting the Intelligent Design model.
It proposes the emergence of random mutations with every cycle of reproduction, producing changes that offer an advantage, a disadvantage, or remain neutral, awaiting an additional mutation to trigger their advantageous or disadvantageous effects.

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos Chaos EmptySat Oct 23, 2021 7:56 pm

This is how patterned oscillations are perceived as waves...


Non pattered oscillations are perceived as noise, if at all.
They are perceived via their interactions - affects - on patterned energies as unexpected divergence, subtle differences, the unforeseen necessitating adjustments.

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos Chaos EmptyFri Sep 09, 2022 12:11 pm

Chaos is the 'evil' terrifying the soul of those obsessed with absolutes.
They need certainties; they need finality.....they need totalities.
Mind is addicted to order. Finds it beautiful, seductive, comforting...useful.
Chaos must be defined as concealed order - complexity.
Deus Machina.... - god must be omnipresent, hidden "beneath, within" all.
God speaks to them through semiotics - patterns hidden in the patterns, represented by words/numbers.
Yet...no one is to be found outside human brains - part of an organic binary method of processing fluctuating space/time, converting it - translating it, reducing it to manageable parts - data.
No singularity outside human representational semiotics.

No absolute god-particle...no a-tom, no indivisible, immutable, thing in itself.
All is change....including consistent patterns.
Nothing is eternal....literally no-thing, is eternal. All is process.

Even the concept of uni-verse becomes an imagined enclosure - a unity.
Not an open-enmded Faustian expansion..."infinite" in that it is constantly... moving outward....
how will it end?
An implosive Big Crunch or a gradual expansion of space/time, reducing order to uniform chaos, which is also never finalized - Yin/Yang?
That is the question.

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos Chaos EmptyFri Sep 09, 2022 12:29 pm

Chaos is why the mind reacts...inventing authoritarian, totalitarian, god....a god of oneness, existing in some 'beyond' space/time, because it cannot exist in real space/time, but only as a vague, obscure, occult, abstraction; a representation, i.e., a concept, a symbol, name...logos - lacking all external referents.
If it were to actually exist it would contradict existence, annihilating it - nihilism.

As I've noted....two types of nihilism:
"Pure" and "Positive."
As I've, also, noted for nihilism to survive it must self-contradict its own core concepts, inventing some excuse to be exempted.
Christianity survived - as do all Abrahamics nihilistic spiritualities - because it invented clever ways to remain 'free' from its own absolutist standards - moral or otherwise.
Then they demand that all abide by ideals they, themselves, cannot abide by - messianism.
See the Bible and the Adam & Even narrative - primordial sin.
It's own dogmatic flaws are transferred to its followers...in a act of projected manipulation.

The problem - as The Architect in The Matrix accurately identified - is choice.
Why do we even have choice, if all is determined ordered?
This question is converted to Old & New Testament narratives as the question of 'evil.'
Why, if god is omnipotent, omniscient, and good, does evil exist?
Again...the fault is transferred to the believer.
If he wishes to preserve hope he must make the sacrifice...of reason (logos again).

This is secularized into a future that never comes....and the fault is transferred to the believer as ignorance.
Sin = ignorance.
Innocence = acceptance of this uniform ignorance, as a universal certainty - an absolute truth.
The 'all are equally sinners' becomes 'all are equally ignorant'...but one form of indubitable gnosis is left....the knowledge that the absolute exists as a matter of faith, concealed in semiotics as divine clues; it exists out there...in the imminent future, or in the after-death beyond.

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos Chaos EmptyWed Sep 28, 2022 1:00 pm

“Complexity” cannot be considered chaos, since it implies an underlying occult order; complexity implies subjective confusion, limits, impotence. As such any model that posits order/chaos as perceptible and imperceptible order is really positing absolute order, and this is the underlying concept of Abrahamism and their ‘god concept,’ defined as mysterious, incomprehensible, unfathomable, yet all-knowing, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, and good, but also complete, whole, singular, indivisible, immutable, incorruptible, perfect, all traits of absolute order.

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos Chaos EmptyWed Sep 28, 2022 1:04 pm

Worship of chaos – defined as mysterious, incomprehensible complexity – is, in fact, the worship of occult divinity, the foundation of ‘positive nihilism.’
A belief that conceals dissatisfaction with perceptible established order, fantasizing a hidden overturning and usurping by hidden order.
A worship that may take a religious (spiritual) and/or an ideological (political) form, e.g., anarchy. [ MANifesto: Right<>Left – Liberal – Anarchy]

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos Chaos EmptyMon Oct 24, 2022 12:28 pm

In chaos we come face to face with a threat to our sanity; a challenge to the conception of a one-god and its presumed purity of justice and of 'goodness,' or of oneness altogether; to say nothing of a presupposed rationality underlying it all.
Abrahams's projected divine self-awarness, is contradicted, for chaos would be to such a conception of a positively omniscient god a negative blind-spot, denying completion to what is seemingly the simplest of human impulses, to know itself.

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos Chaos EmptyFri Aug 18, 2023 11:30 am

Chaos, defined as interactive, random energies, is the root of existence, of life, and of free-will.

From chaos order emerges; from lifelessness random combinations produce intentionality; and the unforeseeable makes some degree of free-will necessary.

As always, the existent is not to be disputed, even if it cannot be explained.
Life exist.....how and why is a matter of reasoning and the accumulation of knowledge and understanding.

The explanation must remain within what exists.
Choice is a fact, whether we know and understand it or not.
How and why is a matter of reasoning and the accumulation of knowledge and understanding.

Chaos denies us complete, final absolute knowledge and understanding - no omniscience is possible.

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PostSubject: Re: Chaos Chaos EmptySun Dec 24, 2023 9:22 am


The "problem" with complexity is that it has been confused with chaos, because for the human mind both are interpreted as darkness, void, nothingness...

What is presumed in complexity is that an underlying order - pattern - is concealed, waiting to be discovered.

If all were ordered then there would be no necessity for judgment and the act of choice to evolve - natural selection would be debunked by a presumption that alludes to fatalism, even if its adherents refuse to acknowledge it.
Similar to how many "atheists" believe they've transcended religious superstitions when they've replaced them with secular variants, alluding to the same absolute concepts.
Absolute = indivisible, immutable, singularity.
The ideal of total, complete, order - order concealed even in the incomprehensible - is such a secular presupposition that has substituted god - the Abrahamic version - with order.

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