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PostSubject: What do you live for? Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:09 am

What do people here live for?

What keeps people here going on a daily basis in this mundane universe?

I've come up with a simple explanation for myself. Sex, drugs, rock'n' roll, and power.

That really is all I need in order to keep myself complacently happy.

Without any of that I would have no reason to exist otherwise.

[For your amusement Satyr.]

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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:37 pm

Glad you found someone on your level on this forum.

Rock on man!
Make sure to never, ever, reproduce.

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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:47 am

The concept of living for something is strange to me.
Must be the engineer in us, looking for purpose in things.


We are animals. We live for... living.
Everything else is artifact.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:11 pm

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Glad you found someone on your level on this forum.

Rock on man!
Make sure to never, ever, reproduce.

I was going to play nice but it appears that you Satyr have joined on Natalie's bandwagon of intentionally trying to target me in insults and what have you along with other individuals here.

It's alright however in that I'm a big boy where I can take all of you on with no problems.

What makes you Satyr a prized thorough bred specimen of humanity?

Aren't you just a isolated recluse anyways who doesn't give a damn about the rest of the world around himself? If I'm incorrect by all means correct me.

Tell me about your supposed superiority of yourself in comparison to me and others.



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Glad you found someone on your level on this forum.

And who would that be?

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Phoneutria:

The concept of living for something is strange to me.
Must be the engineer in us, looking for purpose in things.

It is strange. I agree. Nonetheless as a sort of purely human phenomena it still exists.


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We are animals. We live for... living.

We are animals but once human beings created the center and stage of civilization the notion held since then is the striving for somthing beyond basic survival or living.

Is it all a form of reckless collectivized delusion on our part? Probally.


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Everything else is artifact.

Ever since human beings left the wild existence of hunting and foraging in the wilderness in the creation of the center stage or theater of civilization our entire lives have become that of artifacts.

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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:38 pm

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I was going to play nice but it appears that you Satyr have joined on Natalie's bandwagon of intentionally trying to target me in insults and what have you along with other individuals here.

It's alright however in that I'm a big boy where I can take all of you on with no problems.
I smells shit again.

TheJoker wrote:
What makes you Satyr a prized thorough bred specimen of humanity?
I will, boy, if you link me to where I ever said that I was any ideal.
TheJoker wrote:

Aren't you just a isolated recluse anyways who doesn't give a damn about the rest of the world around himself? If I'm incorrect by all means correct me.

Tell me about your supposed superiority of yourself in comparison to me and others.
My superiority over you, boy, is my mind.
more than my ideas, my flexibility.

Look at you....living in the streets talking about taking over the universe, exchanging niceties with a brain-dead turd.
I don;'t have to teach or tell you anything, boy.
Life is going to teach you much...but I fear you have little capacity to learn.
I fear that whatever failures you face you will blame on others, never taking responsibility and so never having to change a thing.

Boy, imitation is not understanding.
I can imitate a man who has never gotten laid or is hungry or is crippled...I can never fully understand him.
So, it's a game of learning vicariously, not having to go through all the errors to understand.

How, you might ask?
Imagination, boy. The great efficiency weapon. But not imagination disconnected from reality, like yours, boy, but one fully engaged in it.
An imagination that does not flee from pain and suffering and is connected with existence.
So far you've never had to use yous...beaus life sort of thrust you into shit.

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And who would that be?
Guess.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:16 pm

TheJoker wrote:

It is strange. I agree. Nonetheless as a sort of purely human phenomena it still exists.

We are animals but once human beings created the center and stage of civilization the notion held since then is the striving for somthing beyond basic survival or living.

Is it all a form of reckless collectivized delusion on our part? Probally.

Ever since human beings left the wild existence of hunting and foraging in the wilderness in the creation of the center stage or theater of civilization our entire lives have become that of artifacts.

Let me try to put this eloquently...
Fuck artifacts.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:32 am

phoneutria wrote:
We are animals. We live for... living.
Everything else is artifact.
There's no such thing as something alive in an absolute sense.

It's a classification. One must determine what constitutes being alive and being dead.

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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:25 am

I keep having the feeling that I had this conversation when I was 6.
How did it go...
In order for something that exists to have a preference for existing, instead of not existing, it must be aware that it exists.
Is that too simple?

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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:27 am

I just got here and Ilm being socratized. Dear oh dear.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:41 am

Σατυρ wrote:
TheJoker wrote:


I was going to play nice but it appears that you Satyr have joined on Natalie's bandwagon of intentionally trying to target me in insults and what have you along with other individuals here.

It's alright however in that I'm a big boy where I can take all of you on with no problems.
I smells shit again.

TheJoker wrote:
What makes you Satyr a prized thorough bred specimen of humanity?
I will, boy, if you link me to where I ever said that I was any ideal.
TheJoker wrote:

Aren't you just a isolated recluse anyways who doesn't give a damn about the rest of the world around himself? If I'm incorrect by all means correct me.

Tell me about your supposed superiority of yourself in comparison to me and others.
My superiority over you, boy, is my mind.
more than my ideas, my flexibility.

Look at you....living in the streets talking about taking over the universe, exchanging niceties with a brain-dead turd.
I don;'t have to teach or tell you anything, boy.
Life is going to teach you much...but I fear you have little capacity to learn.
I fear that whatever failures you face you will blame on others, never taking responsibility and so never having to change a thing.

Boy, imitation is not understanding.
I can imitate a man who has never gotten laid or is hungry or is crippled...I can never fully understand him.
So, it's a game of learning vicariously, not having to go through all the errors to understand.

How, you might ask?
Imagination, boy. The great efficiency weapon. But not imagination disconnected from reality, like yours, boy, but one fully engaged in it.
An imagination that does not flee from pain and suffering and is connected with existence.
So far you've never had to use yous...beaus life sort of thrust you into shit.

TheJoker wrote:
And who would that be?
Guess.

What is it with people here at the forum the last couple of weeks that cannot for the life of them stay on the damn subject of any given thread? Damn!

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smells shit again.


You wear adult diapers? I had no idea that you have a problem with incontinence.

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I will, boy, if you link me to where I ever said that I was any ideal.

You certainly act as much like you believe as such.



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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:52 am

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I will, boy, if you link me to where I ever said that I was any ideal.

You certainly act as much like you believe as such.



Is this you telling me that you have no clue?
I already knew that.

How do I act?

I, personally, live for good food, fine wine, inspiring music, pretty girls and, most of all, my little boy.
The rest is cherries on the top.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:27 pm

Love.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:15 pm

We all live for pleasure. Whatever name you want to give it.
And that is why denying yourself a true pleasure is un-instinctive and absurd.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:19 pm

I bought a $100 bottle of wine yesterday....I splurged.
I deserve it....I'm a diva.

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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:41 pm

Jesus Satyr,

How much do you spend a week on booze?
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:54 pm

I enjoy the finer things in life...or I try to.




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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:27 pm

phoneutria wrote:
I keep having the feeling that I had this conversation when I was 6.
How did it go...
In order for something that exists to have a preference for existing, instead of not existing, it must be aware that it exists.
Is that too simple?
Yeah, an amoeba may have such a preference.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:54 pm

No...every beat of the heart is an automated reaffirmation of life.
The organism simply becomes aware of its own need. The need to exist....or the need to order itself in an environment of chaos.

Six huh?
Riiiight.

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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:08 pm

I take it that an 'automated reaffirmation of life' is not the same as a 'preference for existing'?

The former can be seen in any organism, conscious or otherwise, that has a basic organic system such as a heart or nucleus that sustains its existence, whereas the latter requires consciousness.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:13 pm

No, because when the mind awakens to reality, its own condition, it begins questioning its purpose and meaning.

Self-Consciousness is proving to be anti-life, in its preliminary stages.

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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:12 pm

Amoebas may very well have that preference.
We can do little more than speculate on the different levels of consciousness of other living creatures.
We know that simplest of creatures, in a hardwired way, will make measures to ensure its existence.
If there is anything more to it than hardwiring, we may never know.

So I was 12. I lied.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:16 pm

When I was twelve I played street-hockey and read comic books.

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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:18 pm

I captured tadpoles in the pond. I had a terrarium where I raised them into toads. Then, dissected them.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:55 am

without-music wrote:
Love.

Really? Could you of picked something more cliche and meaningless?

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Phoneutria: We all live for pleasure. Whatever name you want to give it.
And that is why denying yourself a true pleasure is un-instinctive and absurd

I concur.

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Satyr: I bought a $100 bottle of wine yesterday....I splurged.
I deserve it....I'm a diva.


I prefer beer, Jack, rum, or tequila myself.

It's apart of my working class signature habitual behavioral lifestyle.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:13 am

I drink whatever is liquid. If it was solid I'd eat it.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:16 am

phoneutria wrote:
I drink whatever is liquid. If it was solid I'd eat it.

Do you swallow? Laughing Sorry, you kinda set me up for it.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:16 am

Of course.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:23 am

phoneutria wrote:
Of course.

What do you swallow? Cool Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:20 am

The souls of my enemies.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:21 am

phoneutria wrote:
The souls of my enemies.

Anything else? sunny
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:38 am

For fucks sake.
I am a hot brazilian woman who swallows semen. Lots of it.
Now go play with your dick and give me some peace.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:50 am

phoneutria wrote:
For fucks sake.
I am a hot brazilian woman who swallows semen. Lots of it.
Now go play with your dick and give me some peace.

Laughing

Finally! I got you to say it. I actually didn't think you were going to there for awhile.

I'm surprised yet somewhat aroused that you did. Thank-you for that.

Can I still get some pictures?
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:25 am

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phoneutria wrote:
We are animals. We live for... living.
Everything else is artifact.
There's no such thing as something alive in an absolute sense.

It's a classification. One must determine what constitutes being alive and being dead.


Things are dead or alive independent of whether you classify it or not. Classification is just an act of the human brain to bring order to a system. It's not real.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:16 pm

I disagree...somewhat monkeyman...
classification is of the real. Reality does exhibit consistencies and congruities, for whatever period of time.
That we've managed to survive using these simplistic categories, means that they reflect something real.

Yes, we construct reality in our mind but it is a useful construct and we continuously update it.

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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:21 pm

Satyr wrote:
I disagree...somewhat monkeyman...
classification is of the real. Reality does exhibit consistencies and congruities, for whatever period of time.
That we've managed to survive using these simplistic categories, means that they reflect something real.

Yes, we construct reality in our mind but it is a useful construct and we continuously update it.

Reality, relative?

I believe mental realities are.

Mental realities are always subjective while that of the physical form isn't.

There is only objectivity in physical forms of reality where all mental states lack it.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:14 am

small example.

species.

easily classified with some training.

Yet species do not exist as the concept we are trained to see: a fixed group classified by distinct characteristics.

Species are just a transient expression of a population during the process of evolution. The species concept that we use in classification is an absolutely meaningless concept unless you are a scientist, hunter, etc. It has nothing to do with reality as such. It's just used to give order to the world for ourselves.

The classification might be useful, but it is not a true one.

There is no reality in the physical form of species.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:22 am

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small example.

species.

easily classified with some training.

Yet species do not exist as the concept we are trained to see: a fixed group classified by distinct characteristics.

Species are just a transient expression of a population during the process of evolution. The species concept that we use in classification is an absolutely meaningless concept unless you are a scientist, hunter, etc. It has nothing to do with reality as such. It's just used to give order to the world for ourselves.

The classification might be useful, but it is not a true one.

There is no reality in the physical form of species.

Interesting point. I like it.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:28 am

Breeding between species will often generate sterile offspring, though. Thus, our classification is not entirely meaningless.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:30 am

phoneutria wrote:
Breeding between species will often generate sterile offspring, though. Thus, our classification is not entirely meaningless.

However cross breeds of different species exist also.
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PostSubject: Re: What do you live for? Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:30 pm

spuriousmonkey wrote:
small example.

species.

easily classified with some training.

Yet species do not exist as the concept we are trained to see: a fixed group classified by distinct characteristics.

Species are just a transient expression of a population during the process of evolution. The species concept that we use in classification is an absolutely meaningless concept unless you are a scientist, hunter, etc. It has nothing to do with reality as such. It's just used to give order to the world for ourselves.

The classification might be useful, but it is not a true one.

There is no reality in the physical form of species.
Ah, I see....making the usefulness of the category also transient.

Take human species, as an example.
There is a fragmentation occurring along intellectual lines.

The gene being slowly supplanted by the meme.

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