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PostSubject: Re: Schizophrenia Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:04 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Schizophrenia Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:57 pm

A genetic dysfunction.

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PostSubject: Re: Schizophrenia Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:27 pm

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Satyr, What of John Nash...and such types?
What of them?

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Try this as a thought-experiment:


Introduce yourself Here...

...and introduce yourself here, instead of running off and throwing stones.

Let's begin easy...
What is nihilistic about my vies?
Is your reaction to my description of reality negative, and if so, is this evidence of my "nihilism" or is it more evidence of your naivete?

Allow me to quote to aid you in your efforts.
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When I say other side of nihilism I mean one that has experienced it yet moved on... satyr is of the type that is beyond discomfort of the reality and is at peace, yet he is just pessimistic, and to confident in his opinions at times.
Aside from how confident I am or I should be, let us proceed to the "pessimistic" part.

We'll do so with a metaphor.
Let us say we are in a school, surrounded by big walls, where none can go out and none can enter.
A strict, but friendly, schoolmaster runs the place.
He is quick with the punishments but he always has a smile on his face, so full of happy stories that he is.
Every day he tells the children his tales of woe and wonder. Tales full of incredible monsters, damsels in distress and brave knights, noble, and true.
All his stories end with a happy outcome.

The monster is always vanquished, the damsel always honorable and loyal, the knight always victorious and humble.

Now, let's say a little boy is born in this happy camp.
Let's say he begins telling the children how all of those stories are fake and that the schoolmaster is full of shit.

how would the children react to this boy? What names would they call him?
Is the boy wrong or are the children so unaware and naive and stupid that any hint of a reality beyond their walled school seems "negative" and harsh?

What would Christians call those who tell them that they believe in fairy tale and that there is no afterlife?
What would a fat and ugly girl call a man who tells her the truth, that is that beauty is an indication of genetic fitness and that being fat is an outward manifestation of her inner dysfunctions?
What would a child call a man who tells him that there is no Santa Clause and that he must work for what he wants, instead of wishing it and expecting some magical creature to bring it to him?


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PostSubject: Re: Schizophrenia Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:00 pm

The wonderful thing about nihilism is that it comes in two flavors.

One is more honest but bleak...a towards nothingness.
The other happy and hopeful...a towards somethingness.

Both are expressions of the same absence...the absent absolute.
The difference being that the first imagine it as total annihilation, wheres the second imagine it, in a more childish manner, as total completion, total fulfillment.
The Hindus even go so far as to dream of a point in time when they do not have to be reborn into this "vile and miserable" existence....to be forever unborn.
Of course like all hypocritical religions they soften the outcome with some self-contradictory bullshit like imagining this state as conscious/unconsciousness....just as Christians imagine paradise as a land of the living/dead.

Both amount to the same thing: non-existence.
At first glance both psychological attitudes appear conflicting yet, if you study them deeply, you realize that they both claim the same thing from a different vantage point and both are characterized by a deep dissatisfaction with existence as it is experienced.

One would call the other pessimistic and the other will call back the other overoptimistic but both will agree that life, as they both know it, is not acceptable.
Now THIS is nihilism in a nutshell.

To love life, as it is to life self, is not to accept life in the ideal but in the real. To accept not only the nice stuff but even more so the not so nice stuff.

Now consider this:
I, as we are told, all is tending towards increasing entry, then this ordering we call life and consciousness is not only rare but an existence facing extinction.

It is BECAUSE thee is entropy that life emerges.
It is BECAUSE there is mostly death and it is inevitable that life has value.
It is BECAUSE we are ignorant and weak that knowledge and strength is desirable.
It is BECAUSE ugliness and stupidity are ubiquitous that beauty and intelligence attracts.
It is BECAUSE there is no meaning to existence that man seeks it out or must give his own existence meaning.
It is BECAUSE the ideal is never attained and the absolute can never and should never be reached that the striving towards it gains character and nobility.
It is BECAUSE there is no selfless love which is given to all indiscriminately that love and friendship becomes precious.


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PostSubject: Re: Schizophrenia Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:04 pm

Abstract wrote:
Funny I thought that was as much of a support that I could give and feed accceptance to them for you...
Thanks for the effort but why do you assume that I need to be accepted by such creatures as those?

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nothing i said beyond...din't eye?
What?
What a Face

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depends on what you mean by negative i would imagine... it does not bother me... and at the most I might say your rehtoric is negative or of the glass is half full sound...
I've already provided a definition for the term.
In short, what does not require effort to persist is negative, what does is positive.
Man places himself at an imagines center and defines using his binary logic.

Why are categories so disturbing to you?

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PostSubject: Re: Schizophrenia Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:55 pm

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I'm not disturbed... My point was that regardless of your definitions and rather I understand them or not... my conclusion would be that to the average person (not intellectually necessissarily) your rhetoric or means of discussing things comes accross as what most would describe as "negative" (not in your sense of the word...)
Then in your sense of the word you refer to my position from an emotional standpoint not a rational one.

What does it matter how you or I or anyone reacts to reality?
Is it not logical to assume that if life is a rare phenomenon requiring constant effort to maintain itself that life would develop a "negative" assessment of a reality that is so difficult and challenging and unforgiving?

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