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PostSubject: Re: Lessons from Nature Lessons from Nature - Page 2 EmptySun May 28, 2017 6:03 am


Aeluromorphism
(feline) (likeness)

Hypothesis: One cannot be completely objective, they can only negate the morphic parts of their own psyche (as human).

Like one who has their vision partially blocked, one must quantitatively create an objective and full picture by repeated additions of sensory information that have had the anthropomorphic elements reduced/eliminated. Knowing self is a necessary basis for eliminating anthropomorphic qualities from perception.

The asserted ability to eliminate and pretense of being able to achieve utter anthropomorphic annihilation, is necessarily what causes nihilism. They are arrogant idiots that end up throwing out the whole perceptual picture instead of reflectively selected parts. And throwing it all out just means it all being there, and surrendering their ability to recognize and cognitively reduce their own morphic bias.

Perhaps also, if they are viewing something bad to them, they will remove themselves from it (anthropomorphic content). When an idiot is saying something isn't true, that obviously is - they're in denial.
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We have a difficult time differentiating between Chinese individuals but the more time we spend studying them, the easier it gets.
Apparently, for Chinese, it's likewise difficult to differentiate between European faces.
We don't recognise the details, we don't look for them, instead we have some rough template for the Asian face.

As for cats, I think their vision is not their strong point anyway. But they do seem to identify individuals via smell and sound (the way somebody walks and voice for example) very well.
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The power of nature is that is generates constant pressure/tension, that in turn, alacrity releases into initiative for survival, and the result is a mere chance occurrence based on the fitness of the organism. Black and white reality being displayed in this beautiful scene.

These moderns, in their comatose state of awareness are all walking appetizers, waiting to be picked off. But, unlike these amphibious creatures, which are born with the ability to grow and develop, and thus pose a threat to other would be prey for them and nature, giving them the quality to be eaten; moderns are the excreted waste of nature that has no sustenance value anymore. The desire to make it to the open sea and to a possible future is not only contemptible for them because it has no value of its own, but because nothing they were born from ever new anything but the inside of the egg, rotting away into atrophied death.

Its not the honor of the sprint to existence, or to death, for them, its the slow limp into sickness, in all its forms.
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What holds true for physical, or genetic viruses, holds true for mental, memetic viruses.

I call these memetic viruses [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and have discovered some basic [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] that manifest in an infected host, an dis-ease mind, as idea(l)s expressed as thinking/acting/behaving.

Such parasites mask as harmless, or as belonging to the hosts own processes.
Mental viruses mask as benign, altruistic, or invigorating ideologies.
You can distinguish them by the tactics they use....a basic tactic is detachment from world.
Genetic and memetic viruses cannot survive outside a host, a body/mind.

They revert to a static, crystalline form.....memetic viruses return to being symbols/words in books, awaiting a mind prepared to be infected, to read them.
They are harmless, impotent, no their own....and must hijack a host to become lethal in the real world.
Memetic viruses are meaningless beyond human brains. Without the agency of a human being, they are nonsensical abstractions with no references in the phenomenal world.
This is the basic distinguishing marker of memetic viruses....they require a mind for their abstractions/concepts to find validity in the host's emotions, sensations, including pleasure, because the words representing them have no connection to anything outside the mind of the host.
It is powerless, impotent, without a host. It ceases to exist outside a host.
Infected minds use words disconnected from natural order....they are noetic contraptions with no reference to any phenomenon, to any behavior, activity, outside the mind. This is both a weakness and a strength.
Weakness is in detachment, that it is meaningless without hijacking an an agent, and strength is also found in its detachment form reality, because it is not restricted by anything beyond the mind, so it can exploit this to exploit any organic weakness, unhindered by any external natural order.
sentence structure sequences of words, application of words, are all directed by a desired emotional, pleasing effect, and not restricted by any external order.
Imagination becomes pure fantasy.

The conversion point is where abstraction, or representation, is inverted into more real than the reality it represents.
This is the weakness through which the virus infects the mind.
The noumenon becomes more real than the phenomenon it refers to...to the point where it is no longer required.
The noumenon becomes "purified" or abstracted to the point of mystification - it becomes pure idea(l), and as such, it can be anything, to anyone, because now its only reference point is the host's well-being, its emotions, desires, hopes, fears, its vanity etc.
It is narcissistic, referring back to itself.

So 'love' as the viral expression of Christianity, is about loving love, or loving god, who loves you in return.
The concept 'love' is detached form reality, and converted to pure noumenon.
It loves loving love (god)....narcissistic lostness in its own reflection, in its own noetic constructs.
From evolved mechanism facilitating cooperative reproduction and survival strategies, ti becomes a idea(l) that is so meaningless that it can mean anything.
Participating others are assimilated into the collective infection, validating the self-referential delusion by becoming the mirror that reflects back to the narcissistic, solipsistic mind, its own hopes, dreams, emotions.
The other is crucial in the preservation of the virus, because without brains the virus is meaningless, it reverts back to harmless code awaiting a new host.
The collective is part of the virus's field of effect - its range of power, because on its own it is impotent, powerless, requiring a host to become powerful, to gain meaning.

Whereas words used normally refer to phenomena that do not cease to exist if the brain dies, or does not perceive them, or is not aware of them....in nihilism there is no phenomenon, no objective world...it is all subjective, all noetic, all esoteric, all ideology, theory, abstraction.
Without other infected minds to share in the dis-ease, it has zero references, and so no power, no meaning.

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PostSubject: Re: Lessons from Nature Lessons from Nature - Page 2 EmptyMon Jul 31, 2017 6:07 pm

Mouse Utopia Experiment



If you hadn't read the study itself, this video introduces more information (with more specificity) than is typically covered when people talk about this study. The first 15 minutes is dedicated to discussing all those details and dry results of the experiment. Interpretation appeared to come after, so I didn't watch that part.

Some of the specific information typically not talked about:
Females would take on masculine roles
"Beautiful ones" would not engage in reproduction even if taken out of the utopia and placed in a box with a lone female
Females began to become as "socially retarded" as the beautiful ones as time went on
More information on the physical set up of the area
Information on fertility rates between zones: showing that WHO (genes) mattered on top of resource availability (environment). Women got with dominant males more than the non-dominant, despite resources being available evenly in all the territories.
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PostSubject: Re: Lessons from Nature Lessons from Nature - Page 2 EmptyMon Jul 31, 2017 7:23 pm

The conclusion is that it's not necessarily applicable to humans.
It might be about increasing privacy, which will save the day for man, lol.

Can't post a video like this without offering some kind of angle how to dismiss it.
Inbreeding is also a strong contender in the comments section, to explain why the mice utopia failed.

Or how about - Well, well, they did have a border, so there, no borders is the solution.
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I believe fear was a contributing factor to keeping the mice hierarchical. My question would be: what behavior would help maintain fear in humans if they were in a resource rich environment?

Are some people simply born with more fear (and courage to see that) than others? Is there such thing as a family line, genetic, which cannot have spoiled children? Or, perhaps, a cultural idea(l)?

I know I was raised with a Christian idea(l) of God, which punishes and expects things, etc. Just countenancing the possibility of a deity appeared as a way to create that sort of fear. However, perhaps it first came from the idea of the bogeyman in the closet or monsters in the dark. And the Christian God a proposed resolution of it: have faith and the monsters don't matter. The "protection" spirit monopoly, before it became a solution to "chain letter curses" online. (ex: 'this cute dog will protect you from chain mails' and 'this letter must be sent to x amount of people or else you'll die')
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PostSubject: Re: Lessons from Nature Lessons from Nature - Page 2 EmptyTue Aug 01, 2017 2:44 pm

Fear-based ideologies are common, or even rampant throughout society.

Christianity, for example, begins feeding "demons, monsters, satan, hell" to children. This is a large brunt of fear-based ideology. Real life example: Otto consistently repeats "THE END IS NEAR!!!!" on forums, for years. Is the end ever near? No, not really. But people have vested interests in fear and spread fear throughout society.

In my experiences, people sort of 'test' each other. "DO YOU BELIEVE IN GLOBAL WARMING?! OH MY FUCKING GOOOOD!!! GLOBAL WARMING IS COMING WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!" No, I don't believe in your bullshit. I don't drink your coolaid. Get the fuck away from me with your fear-mongering.

So many people are fear-mongers. This also manifests in Nihilism, as self-hatred. People are scared of life, scared of reality. And so society and civilization has invented many coping mechanisms (Nihilism, bubble-realities, virtual worlds, "autism") as means of keeping the population dazed, confused, high, and aloof, apathetic.

A drug syrum, injected into the veins, Matrix style, to keep the population sedated.

"Religion is the opiate of the masses."


Pop culture has evolved from religion. Today's "Pop Culture" is today's globalist religion. New fears, new propaganda, is spreading across the world.

If people have nothing to fear, then they will create a new fear out of nothing.


"THE ALIENS ARE COMING, WE ARE BEING INVADED!!! AN ASTEROID IS COMING TO EARTH AND WILL WIPE OUT EVERYTHING! A SUPER VOLCANO IS ABOUT TO ERUPT!! WAR WITH NORTH KOREAN NUCLEAR WAR INCOMING!! HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLP!!!"

Fear mongers....................
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Slaughtz wrote:
I believe fear was a contributing factor to keeping the mice hierarchical. My question would be: what behavior would help maintain fear in humans if they were in a resource rich environment?

I have throughout my life helped to promote fearlessness in people.
It's called being civil. Narcissism also thrives on being 'civil', to appease and not antagonise.

I think this also connects to anonymity on the internet, this makes it much easier to not be civil.
This is probably also why pockets of masculine hierarchy in opposition to the grand narrative can emerge in these places.
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After thousands of years of coexistence and human breeding, we witness evolution in practice.
Dogs are now attempting to imitate human behavior, using their canine genetic traits.



Dogs do not understand what they are ding. they are repeating a behavior that receives a specific reaction from those it wishes to please.



Sounds are child-like. simple to produce...like 'mama', or 'no'.
Parallels with how degenerate, moderns repeat ideas they do not comprehend and cannot justify but only learn to repeat because of a reaction they've received from the ones they want to please.

Sharing internal data, sensations, using vocalizations received a particular positive feedback, a reaction the organism associated with the sound produced.
It then establishes the vocalization genetically - how rudimentary oral language evolved.

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Imprinting is a form of learning in which an animal gains its sense of species identification. Birds do not automatically know what they are when they hatch – they visually imprint on their parents during a critical period of development. After imprinting, they will identify with that species for life.

Mammals do not visually imprint on their caregivers, but they can become tame or habituated to humans if not handled appropriately.

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Habituation is an extremely simple form of learning, in which an animal, after a period of exposure to a stimulus, stops responding. The most interesting thing about habituation is that it can occur at different levels in the nervous system. Sensory systems may stop, after a while, sending signals to the brain in response to a continuously present or often-repeated stimulus (Cohen et al. 1997).

Habituation is important in filtering the large amounts of information received from the surrounding environment. By habituating to less important signals, an animal can focus its attention on the most important features of its environment. A good example of this is species that rely on alarm calls to convey information about predators. In this case animals stop giving alarm calls when they become familiar with other species in their environment that turn out not to be predators. Habituation is an important component of "not crying wolf" when non-threatening animals come close.
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The reason a lamb has to stand and walk quickly is because this is essential to its survival strategy - or a crucial trait for the specialized method of survival - along with others - evolved as sheep.
The mother stands watch until the lamb stands and becomes steady on its feet.
Gravity is the environmental condition being related to - subjective lamb, in relation to objective gravity of world on this particular planetary system.
The lamb's DNA has memory of all past excrescences of the reproductive family we call sheep with reality.
If the lamb cannot stand this does not mean its subjective quirk will be saved from the consequences in relation to the objective world.
Unlike the human species the sheep has no ability o intervene on this scale.
The lambs 'weakness' would have dire consequences, and only if adopted by a sympathetic human, as a pet, would it survive, despite its inferiority in relation to all members of its own kind.
Its possible declaration that 'walking was a social construct', does not change a thing.  

Predators, man included, have have to evolve their minds, in relation to environment.
This is why the weening process is longer.
Why are toddlers so trusting and fearless?
Because nature has yet to weed out necessary from unnecessary reactions to world.
Nevertheless it has a memory based fearful reaction to loud noises, for example, and a memory based reaction of crying, asking for help.
It knows not why it cries, no more than the lamb knows why it ought to stand up as quickly as possible.
Why does nature apply this one-ended method, forcing parental care fro the first days/months/years of life?
The answer is simple.
Because world is Flux.....it is changing.
This means that the environments is not always the same.
So, inherited memories only apply trait potentials, and now their cultivation.
A baby's brain is full of neurological connections, that slowly decrease over the years.  
During this period the parent is its protector, allowing it to explore, play, develop its physical and mental traits, before it is weened and forced to restrict its behaviour - it must be trained to fear and what to fear, otherwise it remains an infant, dependent no a protector.
Some fears are genetic...like fear of sudden loud noises, dark...but because the environment is fluid, the mind must remain flexible.
Threats change from environment to environment, so ti would be inefficient to also inherit genetically fear of particular phenomena.....although this also occurs.
Like our innate fear of snakes, heights etc.
These particular fears are different from individual to individual, for genetic reasons.
But, in general, fear has to be cultivated, learned, not as an emotion but as to how it is triggered.
Learning what to fear is part of the weening process.

The lamb has no fear of wolves, but it must be taught it if it is to survive.
If an intervening entity, like man, prevents the feeding of wolves using natural methods then a lamb can coexist with a wolf in the same controlled human environment.
The human has to impose a strict control so as to prevent genetic dispositions from emerging in wolf.
If you raise a lamb and a wolf cub in an artificial environment, a human one, then the wolf will not eat the lamb, unless it is driven to by hunger.
Although this human intervention is not always successful and requires generations of breeding to be made innate - social engineering.
Like many humans discovered raising and training a wild animal is always risky. It can turn on you, at nay moment, its natural dispositions coming forth, despite human control.
To reduce this, as in the case of dogs, man breeds a species for desirable, to him, traits.
He can, therefore, breed a totally docile dog.
To breed humans one also has to overcome thousands of years of evolution - memories.
In animals we call it breeding, in humans we call it social engineering (marketing, propaganda, education etc).
Nevertheless, the species may revert back to its original behaviour if human intervention ceases to impose itself upon it - sometimes despite the fact that it does.
Dogs will quickly revert to a feral state if released from human control, and become more wolf-like.

Humans, born and raised in other genetic/memetic environments will revert to their original state once the controlling meme stops enforcing its control.
Memes are Gene specific, because they are the expression of a relationship between a particular reproductive population that has evolved particular traits and potentials.

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Another behaviour that I personally witnessed more than once and it freaked me out, is that herbivores, like sheep, consume their placenta after they give birth.
A herbivorous species essentially consuming herself (cannibalism).
This behaviour is meant to reintegrate lost energies lost during gestation and birth.
It could not have been learned....but spontaneous.
Inherited as DNA memory.

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It appears to me that felines put their scent on your hand and then they rub their faces against it. If you are rubbing your hand against them, then they experience it as if they were rubbing themselves with no energy expenditure. It's no wonder then they'd derive much pleasure.

If you had a clone that came along every weekend (disappearing weekdays) and did all your work for you, without ever any resentment doing so, and willing to sacrifice its own organs or disappear when you need or want it to, to die on demand, would you not also express extreme comfort? If it were present all the time, you might end up having a sort of existential/identity crisis - if resentment does not kick in for yourself, or you do not keep perspective about its place.
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How morality evolved is presented in these behaviours...


Heterosexual reproductive strategies lead to larger brained offspring requiring a premature birthing.....which necessitates parental bonding.
Parental bonding evolves into social behaviour, or cooperative survival strategies.
Cooperative strategies lead to hierarchies tolerance of others, the necessity for group cohesion and harmony.
Group dynamics necessitate empathy, the projection of self into other, or the reading of the other's state of mind, and/or intent, by using self as the standard - self-awareness.
Empathy evolves into sympathy - projection of self as a way of evaluating other.

Empathy is also a predatory strategy. Not to sympathize but to empathize in order to predict the other's actions.

A correlation between carnivorous diets leading to larger brained species, leading to the necessity to gestate out of the uterus, which leads to empathy, which leads to sympathy.
This is the evolution of morality.
Man simply encode it and makes it into a social convention - a meme.....with laws.
The group becomes God, and the individual a part of the Divine Group....abstracted and idealized.
The group constructs an idea(l) representing the traits necessary for group harmony. It does so by creating an idea(l) member of the group as an idol, an icon.
This also becomes part of idol worshipping, or obsession with pop-cultural icons - celebrities (rich and famous) depicting a social idea(l) type.

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Social groups - us versus them.
Cooperative survival strategies.
War is nature's way.
Tribal.  



In such groups the superior in the hierarchy is admired because ti benefits the entire group.
Homogeneous genetics.
Stronger and weaker are bonded by blood.
The female is the means of two or more males bonding.

As in times of war the closest ties are made when individuals share life and death situations.

No dialogue, no debate over what is good and bad, what is superior and what inferior - raw nature.
No linguistic tricks, confusing the mind and turning it into a zombie.
There is no doubt, no skepticism, no appeal to the majority.

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Who said only man can appreciate music?
Organisms of pattern are attracted by patterns.


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To use our primitive language to imply we already know and understand by inserting into the observed something more simple, intimate is a prejudiced presumption.

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Bill Hicks also liked to bring up mushrooms and how they will bring about the evolution of hy-mankind towards being more of a shitlib.

We know nothing, man. We are so insignificant in relation to god the conscious complex cosmos, man. Look, man I'm just a humble messenger of the truth. Luckily I'm at least better at being humble than most people...

Millions, millions, millions of millions of millions of times.
Countless stars in the sky, baby.


Guys, burp, I think.... I think we should replace this irrational fear with empathy and drug induced fearlessness, I mean courage, yes courage.
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Mind blowing, maaan.
Cool shit, dude.
Peace...commune with fungi and burn the shit out of them, with a passionate flame of eros....inhale deeply, serenely, and fly.

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Zipf's law also apparently applies to economic measurements. Loyalty and credit can be similar. More interesting is if this law applies to species without ability for self-concept.
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Yes....an organizational rule.
I'm trying to figure out how this would correspond to the triad which seems to govern much of human interactivity, reflected spirituality as well.
I can see how the Christian triad Father/Holy Ghost/Son, corresponds to the Mind/Nervous System/Body...and this pattern seems to be a pattern within the pattern of communication.

Three levels of communication.
The physical (body language - gestures expressions etc), nervous system (patterned vocalizations), mind (innuendo, metaphors etc.).

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If you use the log(x) function you get it to fit a straight line. The data by itself is an exponential distribution.
Many phenomena grow or decline in an approximately exponential fashion.
It has to do with the growing number of connections or say complexity or say mass.

Edit - I read over it again and it's linear on a log-log scale.

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Zipf Distributions occur naturally in many situations, for example in:

- Calls to computer operating systems
- Colors in images
- As the basis of most approaches to image compression
- City populations (a small number of large cities, a larger number of smaller cities)
- Wealth distribution (a small number of people have large amounts of money, large numbers of people have - - small amounts of money)
- Company size distribution
- Artificial intelligence (in particular, "chat bots" that can chat with humans) relies on the limited number of questions and statements that people actually write in chats.

So it's not an exponential distribution but a harmonic series and it might have something to do with connections in networks.
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These connections are relationships of attraction/repulsion - interaction.
It has to do with how patterns can organize into larger balanced unities.
The repetition is iteration. A system feedback into itself - assimilating what energies are lost due to attrition - first with what is outside the system, and second with what lacks pattern, is random (chaotic).

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Harmonic series as in overtones (vibrating string) in music.

In languages, if two languages were to simply add up its vocabulary then the harmonic series would be broken.
Each language is a (harmonic) unity by itself.
In terms of companies I'd expect that the harmonic series only holds true for a shared market space.
In nation-based economies there would probably be a harmonic order of companies for each nation and worldwide then national economies would probably form a harmonic order based on national economic power.


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Can't help but make a connection to morse code

Patterned sequences using binary code - and reflecting the on/off neurological mechanism.
The planet is an ecosystem.  
This binary system can only have evolved first, because it is the simplest.
Sub-systems emerged, evolving from the first. So we have cross-species communication on a visceral level, underlying their own species specific forms.
These repeating patterns in Zipf's law are connectors, from sequence to sequence.

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